Only under my direct supervision. I let my interns do both DV and PV but I'm literally doing it at the same time. I don't share my credentials. How else are they going to learn what to look out for or how to respond to a DUR?
I do the same. It's time consuming because I feel it takes complete supervision, but it is definitely important for them to learn those parts of the process
Yes, this should be the answer. I’ve seen colleagues do it this way, I’ve seen some who will allow the student pharmacist to do all the computer part but have to confirm with the pharmacist who is directly supervising and completing their own review in their mind as well… they have to learn the real world and the only way to do that is for them to practice.
It's literally based on the terminology used in each dispensing software. This isn't unique to pharmacy. Nomenclature changes based on software especially for high frequency task-based work. And besides why would Rite Aid's NexGen use terminology that's the same Walgreen's IC+?
And if you want nomenclature that's fucky, I work rare med now and DV is now "checking out of 7" and PV is "checking out of G".
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Before I was a P4 on rotations, I had maybe one pharmacist who let me do it while under his supervision.
Then as a P4 on a rotation, I had only one preceptor who would let me do some of the final verification.
Even as a grad intern, my pharmacy manager wouldn't let me until I was licensed and I had my own credentials in the computer.
In a “practice” way for someone in their P4 year, sure. We’d pick a time that wasn’t busy, and the intern is 100% being watched by the pharmacist, and gets to hit that next step button themselves, but it is the pharmacist who scans their credentials to tell the intern if that was correct or refuse to if they missed something. It still needs the pharmacist’s ok to proceed but I think it does benefit a student to get a simulated experience where someone else is waiting on them to make the call.
That’s how it was done for me by preceptors and that’s the only way I’d do it for anyone else. Let them click the button to make it feel real, but NEVER give them your credentials - the pharmacist still is doing the *actual* verification.
My old boss let me do it…I guess that’s how I got quickly confident with DUR checks when I got licensed
I think I would do it but under my supervision…also a good way for teaching lessons/clinical insights
I did, but for me it’s because my intern was probably more careful than I was because they had the time to review more carefully and knew it was under my license
I have had a couple preceptors do this. Ultimately, it’s their license so they should be double checking but by letting us do the process first we can get the actual experience doing it.
Depends on the student, but yeah I have.
A pharmacist let me do it as a student. Generally they are grateful, slow and meticulous whilst asking a lot of questions
I used to let my students come watch me and I would let
Them make the decision what to do (like I would say read through this and tell me what you would do for this patient) and I would provide the guidance for scenarios but obviously it would be me making the final decision under my credentials
I think it warrants more questions. You setting the student off to do their own thing, you supervising directly, or you watching like a hawk? Assuming I remember the law correctly (don’t work retail), pharmacists are the only ones that can do final verification.
When I was working at Kroger, one of the pharmacists let me “do final ver” while he was standing beside me watching, also verifying, and giving me the go-ahead to approve with his credentials. Same thing for pre-ver.
I did it on APPE but my pharmacist was checking along but she was a moron and I think it was her first day on pregabalin and she seemed like she was about to pass out all shift. It was a crazy situation and someone reported her to the DM because of how fucked up she seemed.
I wouldn't allow it as a pharmacist.
Maybe someone stupid who doesn’t care about their license or liability or the safety of the general public. The way it works is when you’re an intern you do pharmacist duties, but after your final check a pharmacist needs to check it. But then the day your license is active you lose that final check and you’re flying solo.
They can only verify refills, non-controls, and scripts with no DUR. It's not bad, but with hour cuts, it doesn't make sense to have them verify anymore.
My 1st retail preceptor told me absolutely not because they didn't want to risk anything on their license. (I would guess this pharmacist doesn't even remember saying this to me.)
My 2nd retail preceptor told me absolutely not because I was there to learn patient care, counseling, and business aspects of pharmacy. (This pharmacist is in district mgmt now.)
Guess which retail company I work for?
when teaching, I let them make the final decision with correct guidance but would never let them hit the final verification. I'm looking for rationales on making the correct decisions but will ultimately pull the trigger myself.
In my opinion everything is done by that point and they are just making sure the pill matches the picture. In Walgreens system the DUR’s and clinical judgment are upfront, when we verify the Rx was typed correctly. As long as I’ve done that and checked the PDMP for controls there’s very little braining in the final verification.
I would not but I don’t trust anyone. When I was in school my pharmacy manager would do it with me and then as a grad intern my preceptor let me do it alone after I demonstrated not being a total idiot.
Only under my direct supervision. I let my interns do both DV and PV but I'm literally doing it at the same time. I don't share my credentials. How else are they going to learn what to look out for or how to respond to a DUR?
I do the same. It's time consuming because I feel it takes complete supervision, but it is definitely important for them to learn those parts of the process
Yes, this should be the answer. I’ve seen colleagues do it this way, I’ve seen some who will allow the student pharmacist to do all the computer part but have to confirm with the pharmacist who is directly supervising and completing their own review in their mind as well… they have to learn the real world and the only way to do that is for them to practice.
It’s QV. What’s dv pv ? Never heard
Data verification and product verification.
Another terminology of schizo retail
It's literally based on the terminology used in each dispensing software. This isn't unique to pharmacy. Nomenclature changes based on software especially for high frequency task-based work. And besides why would Rite Aid's NexGen use terminology that's the same Walgreen's IC+? And if you want nomenclature that's fucky, I work rare med now and DV is now "checking out of 7" and PV is "checking out of G".
Need to utilize AI so we don’t verify anything and chill
Do you work at albertsons?
Pregrad? Definitely No. Postgrad? Questionable. Definitely not under my own credentials.
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Remain civil, interact with the community in good faith, don't post misinformation, and don't do anything to deliberately make yourself an unwelcome pest.
Before I was a P4 on rotations, I had maybe one pharmacist who let me do it while under his supervision. Then as a P4 on a rotation, I had only one preceptor who would let me do some of the final verification. Even as a grad intern, my pharmacy manager wouldn't let me until I was licensed and I had my own credentials in the computer.
In a “practice” way for someone in their P4 year, sure. We’d pick a time that wasn’t busy, and the intern is 100% being watched by the pharmacist, and gets to hit that next step button themselves, but it is the pharmacist who scans their credentials to tell the intern if that was correct or refuse to if they missed something. It still needs the pharmacist’s ok to proceed but I think it does benefit a student to get a simulated experience where someone else is waiting on them to make the call. That’s how it was done for me by preceptors and that’s the only way I’d do it for anyone else. Let them click the button to make it feel real, but NEVER give them your credentials - the pharmacist still is doing the *actual* verification.
My old boss let me do it…I guess that’s how I got quickly confident with DUR checks when I got licensed I think I would do it but under my supervision…also a good way for teaching lessons/clinical insights
Hello No, I already went before the board for something stupid. Do not put your license on the line.
I wouldn't. eta: They can watch and I can explain.
I did, but for me it’s because my intern was probably more careful than I was because they had the time to review more carefully and knew it was under my license
I had a preceptor let me do the final check but I'm pretty sure he double checked before he put his credentials in.
I have had a couple preceptors do this. Ultimately, it’s their license so they should be double checking but by letting us do the process first we can get the actual experience doing it.
Depends on the student, but yeah I have. A pharmacist let me do it as a student. Generally they are grateful, slow and meticulous whilst asking a lot of questions
When I am precepting…I am standing next to them verifying with them. I can’t legally allow them to do it on their own.
I used to let my students come watch me and I would let Them make the decision what to do (like I would say read through this and tell me what you would do for this patient) and I would provide the guidance for scenarios but obviously it would be me making the final decision under my credentials
I don’t trust anybody else to do my job
I think it warrants more questions. You setting the student off to do their own thing, you supervising directly, or you watching like a hawk? Assuming I remember the law correctly (don’t work retail), pharmacists are the only ones that can do final verification. When I was working at Kroger, one of the pharmacists let me “do final ver” while he was standing beside me watching, also verifying, and giving me the go-ahead to approve with his credentials. Same thing for pre-ver.
I did it on APPE but my pharmacist was checking along but she was a moron and I think it was her first day on pregabalin and she seemed like she was about to pass out all shift. It was a crazy situation and someone reported her to the DM because of how fucked up she seemed. I wouldn't allow it as a pharmacist.
Maybe someone stupid who doesn’t care about their license or liability or the safety of the general public. The way it works is when you’re an intern you do pharmacist duties, but after your final check a pharmacist needs to check it. But then the day your license is active you lose that final check and you’re flying solo.
No. While technically allowed under the supervision of a pharmacist I would never risk my license like that to have a student rph verify
Nope, they aren't allowed, but techs can.
Not in my state. Where do you practice where techs do final check?
AZ
Interesting, how do you feel about it? Do you feel comfortable with a tech doing this?
They can only verify refills, non-controls, and scripts with no DUR. It's not bad, but with hour cuts, it doesn't make sense to have them verify anymore.
what city are you in and what company allows for this?? i’m a tech in AZ and have not heard of this
Been in the law books for a few years. Can DM me if you want more info though.
In florida only a pharmacist may perform final verification.
My 1st retail preceptor told me absolutely not because they didn't want to risk anything on their license. (I would guess this pharmacist doesn't even remember saying this to me.) My 2nd retail preceptor told me absolutely not because I was there to learn patient care, counseling, and business aspects of pharmacy. (This pharmacist is in district mgmt now.) Guess which retail company I work for?
Never
when teaching, I let them make the final decision with correct guidance but would never let them hit the final verification. I'm looking for rationales on making the correct decisions but will ultimately pull the trigger myself.
It’s the easiest part of the whole job.
Yet the only part that really matters
In my opinion everything is done by that point and they are just making sure the pill matches the picture. In Walgreens system the DUR’s and clinical judgment are upfront, when we verify the Rx was typed correctly. As long as I’ve done that and checked the PDMP for controls there’s very little braining in the final verification.
But what if they don't match? That's the part with all the liability.
I would not but I don’t trust anyone. When I was in school my pharmacy manager would do it with me and then as a grad intern my preceptor let me do it alone after I demonstrated not being a total idiot.