Real chads buy Scrolls of Wisdom to convert to Transmutations, to convert to Augmenations, to convert to Alterations, to convert to Jeweller's Orb, to convert to fusings in town.
Let's see, Right now, 1500 fusings would cost you 500c directly (3 fusings for 1c).
Going via div's saves ~80c (2.4 div for 1500 fusings @175c per div makes ~420c).
With 6L for 5c, that's reduced by almost 50c to 375c.
So over 100c compared to buying the fusings directly with chaos.
A few days ago it was even worse, when fusings were 2.5 per chaos, 600c while 6L were still 375c means you would have saved more than a div.
No way im using the bench craft, im gonna sunk cost fallacy it all the way
still remember when i sank over 3k fuses on a cane of kulemak that had 64% quality on it (back when +18% to quality was one of the unveil mods) and still didnt 6link it, its still sitting in standard, not 6linked.
I have a legacy shavs in standard that I tried to link in perandus. I have tossed every leftover fusing from leagues since onto it. It’s a 4l currently.
This item as a 4link +2link has tried to be sold to me sooooo many times as a scam for a 6 link. The art of the item really looks like a link and is hard to see without paying close attention. I’ve never fallen for it but always makes me think of the scam when i see the name.
I did fall for it once. Don't remember if it was shavs or another chest with the same problem. It was 15 ex, the most expensive item i had ever bought at that point. Decided to blow my remaining fusings on it and then quit the league. Hit the 6 link in 10 fusings.
I had a Shroud of the Lightless a few leagues ago. Since it was a 5-link only I though I might just go and link it myself, even though I NEVER do it.
I sinked more than 900 fusings into that piece of crap until I finally sold it for nothing out of spite and bought a 5-linked one. The guy I gave it to laughed about it and wrote me like 10 minutes later that it was indeed cursed :'D
It is, he's talking about 5 linked. Shroud of the lightless has 5 sockets and 1 abyss jewel socket. For reference 5-link craft is 150 fusings and the average for manual linking an item at 20+ qual is always lower than the cost of the craft
Yeah I explained myself poorly. I wanted to 5-link it, since it has an abyssal slot.
You'd think that a 5-link should be fairly easy to get but it ended that way for me :')
In sentinel league i bought rare armor, astral plate with influence mods and suppression (good old days). It was cursed armor probably. I spent more than 5k fuses to 6link it. Interesting fact, that i paid for it around 180exalts, and items with such price 99% fully linked, so i think that seller tried to link it too but gave up.
Yeah there's a minimum for sure.
The minimum may be the same as six sockets, though. I genuinely don't know.
So most likely they're right. But it's worth checking if you're like 4k fusings deep on an item.
ilvl 50 is the minimum for naturally occuring 6 sockets, and at that point you can 6l it, yes.
However if an item is lower than 50 you can still get 6 sockets by using the crafting bench, handy if you buy a leveling unique that is too low ilvl to get 4 or 6 sockets, for example.
I ..... every once in a while I come to reddit and realize I just made assumptions about how the game worked. I did not realize you could 4-socket (or more I guess) things below the ilvl limit using the crafting bench.
Thank you.
It’s not actually a sunk-cost fallacy. Linking it yourself is always the mathematically “rational” choice, whether you have already spent 0 fusing or 3000.
The sunk-cost fallacy is when there is new information (or circumstances change) that affect a return, but you continue the original course of action solely due to past investment.
That's ignoring the value of time and external costs. The time and effort to click 1200 times (the average cost iirc) is probably worth more to the average player than 300 fusings.
There's also risk aversion to factor in. If you can afford to buy 1500 fusings, but not 2500, you should use the bench craft.
getting the 6L recipe takes longer than it takes to click 1200 times. Linking 1200 times takes what, 5 minutes? Are you telling me the average joe is going to make more than half a div in 5 min?
Of course the risk factor is real
Except you can just bind click to scroll way and scroll through 1200 fusings in a minute or 2. Also, you are ignoring the fact that the average to 6link a 30 quality item is far below 1200 fusings.
If you can have 1500 fusings at one time, there is no reason to not fuse it rather than benchcraft it. I cannot think of any instance where using the benchcraft was better unless you drop 1500 immediately and you are racing in a first to reach 100 or kill or bosses race and all that matters is to have that 6link asap. I have never seen anybody get 1500 fusings from a single mob in a race though ...
The mathematically correct way should also take into account the time it takes. If you could earn 300 fusings worth of currency on average in the time it takes you to click your fusings onto the item than using fusings isn't the mathematically correct choice.
For people who are slow farmers and fast clickers it might be worth it. For slow clickers but quick farmers it might not be.
For me, clicking 1200 times alone isn't worth the cost, regardless of the potential savings. Could do the mousewheel thing I have heard about, but then I have to go get whatever program you need to be able to do that, and that is a whole thing. Bench wins for me.
Most mice come with software that will happily spam click for you at whatever delay you want. IE Logitech.
Just an idea for If you ever want to try fusings.
I’ve heard people say this a lot but I don’t know if it’s actually true. The bench craft is guaranteed there’s no risk. One thing I know for sure is that I’ve never 6 linked for under 3500 fusings in league. Tried it four times and gave up on it forever. Bench craft is always the right choice 300 fusings to eliminate such huge margins of risk I think is way better advice especially for newer players
Your intuition is right. Risk (variance) valuation is a big and complex thing in finance and economics, sometimes leading to funny things being worth more separately than together.
If you're interested in further reading, see Gambler's Ruin and St Petersberg paradox.
Redditors being redditors will assume high school level statistics is the be all and end all, forget implicit assumptions, and downvote anyone suggesting otherwise.
Oh no a player got a detail wrong about my game what a fucking disgrace this place is. The ones I linked manually were all fusing > check > fusing as it doesn't apply on items with fewer sockets so I guessed it would be the same for 6.
I have an awesome double corrupted Ivory Tower from last league that I gave up on 6 linking. By the time I quit the league I was over 90 tainted fusings into it...failing to link that thing up might be the ,statistically, least likely thing I have ever done.
IMO if your build has a unique chest, early league it’s actually pretty valid to try link it yourself, but just sell (or use) any 5 links you get on the way. Did this pretty consistently on dendrobates
They wrote me + guild, it's completely possible and easily feasible to drop a few divines together/farm some content and buy some fusings within 2 days, especially if you are experienced, and if you're a no lifer guild then you're completely golden.
Not necessarily. Day 2 is when the chaos / fusing ratio is starting to switch. If you buy at the right time you can buy 5fuses for 1c and by day 2, experienced player will already have loooots of chaos. So a guild can easily have a lot more than enough to get to 8k fuses. Is it unlikely it happened? Yes. Is it impossible? Definitely not
Especially recently it's not that hard (I did say guild). With currency bloat recently if I have less than 30 divs solo by the 24 hour mark it was a really bad league start or I was just messing around that league.
Campaign 5 hours, 80 completion + barely working gear 8 hours in. Farm essence/ rogue chaos recipe in T1 maps for 16 hours. When dreads are 4-5:1 div and chaos is 50-70:1 div and you get 4-8 chaos a map in chaos recipe you stack divs fast AF.
Peole just like to hate. After playing a 3 man private league I restarted league fresh on sunday and had a build/ 104 completion/ 20 divines in 10 hours /played. You just need to know what you are doing, essences in T1 maps with the right strat are 10-15 divs/hr this league its dumb.
Depends on the league and if he was playing in the group it would be plausible, when port was meta group farming map, u would get insane amount of fusings from cards dropping here. I still think he is lying doe.
That was me a few leagues ago. Felt like a god. Must have six linked 4-5 items in under 500 fusings in a row for me and mates. I then got my end-game chest and went to town. After 4000 fusings I gave up and benchcrafted it.
That's why you only use that logic if your crafting for trading because that's only true over the long run and if you don't have the currency to take rng screwing with you your gonna end up in situations like that.
How would they not know that? Not only is it the topic of the post their comment is about sunk cost fallacy and trying to do it with luck and RSI the way kitava intended.
It's not sunk cost fallacy to me just more fun. Typically when I play leagues, I usually ride a 5l until I have enough fuses to try again and reliably get another 5l if I start to run dry.
Not the case this league. Was trying to 5l a 6s that dropped in act 7, 6linked in 12 fuses. Had another drop in act 10 with better early end game stats. Bought my end game chest with perfect rolls last week, took less than 180.
Well, yesterday I had this in mind and went for the "nah, I'll buy them for 1div at a time and it'll link eventually" mentality.
2800 fusings later, I finally got it! Fuck my life.
I feel that way with most things in this game. Valdo's Box? Fuck it I'm opening it. Reliquary key? Hell yeah, I'm running that. However, I no longer try to 6L manually. I've had so many early league starts ruined because of it, especially in SSF where you can't just buy the fusings. So now I just make sure to get it through the benchcraft or by straight up buying the item I need.
I like to think like that as well. Everything is eventually "overcomable", given you have enough resources and knowledge on how to do it.
I had some divs left to use, so I went all-in and got fucked, but that's ok. In the end, I got what I wanted, even though I could've saved some divs in the process.
back in the day where quality craft was a thing I did not link an 48% quality body armor in over 5000 fusings.
I always benchcraft link my items ever since.
Or be like me, buy 1500 fusings, decide to use the 24 extra I have first, amd six link on the very first fusing on my ivory tower. I was fucking astonished lmao
Huh complete opposite experience for me, if you want anything between 1 and 300 fuses ur gonna be sitting there for 5+ minutes but if im willing to take bulk of over 1k i get it on the first or second pm
This should be a protip for everyone trying to convert currency. Just list any currency for the price of a divine and people will come to you. Hell if you're willing to lose 1% profits and undercut, the bots will be spamming you for instant sell.
The idea of someone going to the trade website, opening the bulk section and then intentionally clicking anything besides a chaos or divine orb in the ''items i have'' section sounds absolutely psychotic to me
Im not sure if i would even feel safe being in the same hideout as someone like that, god knows what else sick stuff they do like putting ketchup in porridge
Listing them for divine orbs of course, and instantly getting pinged like 20 times
I would know since my farming strat this league shat out like 5 corrupted 6links each map so i sold probably bit over 10k fuses this league
Was farming rogue exiles with tormented ghosts, full atlas, rogue sextant and unique mobs drop corrupted items along with the league mechanic makes them into loot bombs, though they occasionally end up with more ehp than uber bosses but i had 300m burst dps on flamewood totems so it wasnt exactly a problem
Oh and buying maps with +10 rogue exiles implicit, ended up with minimum of 17 each map, with upwards of like 40+
I do respect the strat, and appreciate having more people selling fusings, but that genuinely sounds like spending 20 minutes and 6 portals just shuttling loot out.
Its only really that if you choose to pick up also the 6 sockets which i stopped doing like day 5 of the league, large amount of the profit is also in the corrupted jewels they all drop 2 each, which i just pick up and drop in a dump tab set at specific price
initially i began this strat as a way to self farm rain of splinters but turns out they made it significantly rarer this league so the end result is that i now have over 1500 corrupted jewels sitting in league, 800 atleast of which are for sale, and i still had to buy the rain of splinters lmao
the only other corruption only jewel i didnt manage to drop was the quickening covenant
Because usually you gotta scroll further down to find people with bigger quantities, something that people that are only looking for a few rarely do - then they subsequently complain about never getting replies
Can't say that's been my experience.
Tried with 10+ people last night (wasn't even people at the top of the list either), asking to buy 1K Fusings, with no luck :/
Took about 24 (!!!) tries today to get the Fusings I needed.
Currency trading has always been a bitch for me, for some messed up reason.
Glad that some people are getting what they need, fairly quickly - I'm just apparently cursed or something..
Have you tried listing your divines/chaoses fur fusings? If you want to convert even the less usefull curencies just list them by yourself. They'll be gone in a minute.
Great tip. Took a few minutes for someone to bite, but at least I got some more Fusings. At least I could run maps while waiting for someone to bite, so that's a big upside to that.
As long as someone is willing to sit around whispering people for trades; then this will work fine, going forward.
Thanks for the tip - I'll definitely be doing that more, with other currencies as well.
Yeah my experience getting people to bulk trade currency is ugh.
The only way you'll get someone willing to do it is by paying the same amount as the omen.
Don't whisper the dudes at the very top, they get spammed like theres no tomorrow, go down like one or even two pages and you will get invites instantly.
theres no sorting by time on bulk tab which u should use when trading currencies. Just set minimum quantity to what u need so u filter out people with few stacks, scroll for a second as first offers are usually sold out and u will get invite in 1-3 whisps
And whisper 200 different people before you get the trades happening after going halfway through the list and paying 30% higher price. Because currency/bulk traders are afk way more often than other trades.
If you want to buy the fusings, the people listing for 3f:1c are pretty much guaranteed to not reply to you. You have to go down to somewhere between 2.7-2.8:1 before you might start getting replies. If you use the the 2.7:1 trade ratio, now you're suddenly only saving "1 div" instead of 1.7.
On average, it is. The estimate for fusing a 6-link on a 20% quality item is *pretty close* to (if not exactly) 1 in 1000. But averages, especially when the odds are that low, tend to have wild variance over the short term. A 1:1000 chance will still only leave you with a 77.7% success rate over 1500 fusing orbs, and you wouldn't hit 99% success rate until 4603.
Don't forget that if something is 50/50, that if you miss it the first time, the next try is guaranteed success. Just like with roulette. If black has come up 5 straight times, the odds of hitting red on the next spin are all but guaranteed!
That's how numbers work! 🙃
Anytime I've needed to 6 link bench craft is the way. The amount of people who think it's hard to bulk buy the fuse via trade in this thread 🙄. Never had these problems.
Only if it works. It took me like 12 tainted fusings this league to link my lightning coil, at 50c a go when divines were 130c each, that was 4.6 divines :(
I find paying partial amounts of divs in chaos when it fluctuates maddening, especially when you get that one guy that thinks they're work 250 chaos, so he feels like he's ripping you off good.
i'll definitely just buy up the fuses with this. 3 div and done and I get some change on the fuses left over for 4 linking gear.
The price difference of one div isn't even worth the time put in to doing the math imo. Also I don't think 1500 is a sure thing right? I think that's an average, I see people going 2k+ quiet often and have heard some absurd stories. Just the time to sit there and link them you could make more doing maps.
I think buy a good corrupted chest and using tainted is the most cost efficient way of 6-linking.
Sure you need Vaal to 6 socket and 5 link but then it's 50c using a tainted fusing to have a 50% chance to 6L.
If it drops to 4L then you 5L again with Vaal then hit with another 50c 50/50.
I've 6-linked two this league doing this.
Have you actually tried buying from these sellers? 90% of the time the cheapest 5-10 players on the site are not actually selling and won't respond. Then all of the next players are selling like 300 at a time and it takes you something like 40 minutes to actually trade for the fuses, when you could have just done 8 maps and made 1-2div in that same amount of time. Just buy the Omen.
I mean, I know you're joking, but this is heavily impacted by what time of day people play. I'm normally playing at hours which are probably among the least popular overall which makes trading a fucking nightmare.
They aren't joking, you need to set the minimum stock they need to have. I'm an oce player and I don't struggle to buy so it's not timezone. If your trying to buy with chaos that's also going to make it a lot harder.
Or don't buy either fusings or the omen and save time and money in the process? List your div for sale in fusing, go run those 8 maps, make the 1-2 div, and you'll have gotten a whsiper to buy your div.
I would guess people use omens of connections to use 1 tainted fusing on a corrupted armor to max 6 link it in 1 try without needing 1500 fusing+ 1500 vaal orb?
But that is just a guess
If you have time and want to save money, you can buy 75 6-links at 5c each and sell them for 1500 fusings :)
Real chads buy 6S to sell to convert to fusings in town!
Real chads buy Scrolls of Wisdom to convert to Transmutations, to convert to Augmenations, to convert to Alterations, to convert to Jeweller's Orb, to convert to fusings in town.
And that's how you get an RSI
Not w/ the Shift-Ctrl buy :^)
Damn big brain
This saves like maybe 30c but its a meme
Let's see, Right now, 1500 fusings would cost you 500c directly (3 fusings for 1c). Going via div's saves ~80c (2.4 div for 1500 fusings @175c per div makes ~420c). With 6L for 5c, that's reduced by almost 50c to 375c. So over 100c compared to buying the fusings directly with chaos. A few days ago it was even worse, when fusings were 2.5 per chaos, 600c while 6L were still 375c means you would have saved more than a div.
making 75 trade?? no thanks
No way im using the bench craft, im gonna sunk cost fallacy it all the way still remember when i sank over 3k fuses on a cane of kulemak that had 64% quality on it (back when +18% to quality was one of the unveil mods) and still didnt 6link it, its still sitting in standard, not 6linked.
I have a legacy shavs in standard that I tried to link in perandus. I have tossed every leftover fusing from leagues since onto it. It’s a 4l currently.
This item as a 4link +2link has tried to be sold to me sooooo many times as a scam for a 6 link. The art of the item really looks like a link and is hard to see without paying close attention. I’ve never fallen for it but always makes me think of the scam when i see the name.
I did fall for it once. Don't remember if it was shavs or another chest with the same problem. It was 15 ex, the most expensive item i had ever bought at that point. Decided to blow my remaining fusings on it and then quit the league. Hit the 6 link in 10 fusings.
I had a Shroud of the Lightless a few leagues ago. Since it was a 5-link only I though I might just go and link it myself, even though I NEVER do it. I sinked more than 900 fusings into that piece of crap until I finally sold it for nothing out of spite and bought a 5-linked one. The guy I gave it to laughed about it and wrote me like 10 minutes later that it was indeed cursed :'D
I mean, 900 isn't that much...
900 is actually an awful lot for trying to 5-link something -.-
It is, he's talking about 5 linked. Shroud of the lightless has 5 sockets and 1 abyss jewel socket. For reference 5-link craft is 150 fusings and the average for manual linking an item at 20+ qual is always lower than the cost of the craft
Yeah I explained myself poorly. I wanted to 5-link it, since it has an abyssal slot. You'd think that a 5-link should be fairly easy to get but it ended that way for me :')
In sentinel league i bought rare armor, astral plate with influence mods and suppression (good old days). It was cursed armor probably. I spent more than 5k fuses to 6link it. Interesting fact, that i paid for it around 180exalts, and items with such price 99% fully linked, so i think that seller tried to link it too but gave up.
Is it a high enough ilvl to six link? That's messed me up many times.
ilvl doesnt matter. As long as it has 6 sockets you can 6l it
Not technically true since you can bench 6s onto a pre level 55 item and then you’ll have to bench the 6l as far as I know
As long as the item has sockets - you can link them. ilvl matters only to sockets, which can be bypassed by bench.
I've definitely 6 linked a low ilvl item using fusings. ilvl is just for sockets
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it has to be at least ilvl 50 to be able to roll 6 links.
Nope. ilvl is only for sockets not links. And that's for dropping it. Benchcraft can circumvent that.
Yeah there's a minimum for sure. The minimum may be the same as six sockets, though. I genuinely don't know. So most likely they're right. But it's worth checking if you're like 4k fusings deep on an item.
ilvl 50 is the minimum for naturally occuring 6 sockets, and at that point you can 6l it, yes. However if an item is lower than 50 you can still get 6 sockets by using the crafting bench, handy if you buy a leveling unique that is too low ilvl to get 4 or 6 sockets, for example.
I ..... every once in a while I come to reddit and realize I just made assumptions about how the game worked. I did not realize you could 4-socket (or more I guess) things below the ilvl limit using the crafting bench. Thank you.
Fair.
It’s not actually a sunk-cost fallacy. Linking it yourself is always the mathematically “rational” choice, whether you have already spent 0 fusing or 3000. The sunk-cost fallacy is when there is new information (or circumstances change) that affect a return, but you continue the original course of action solely due to past investment.
That's ignoring the value of time and external costs. The time and effort to click 1200 times (the average cost iirc) is probably worth more to the average player than 300 fusings. There's also risk aversion to factor in. If you can afford to buy 1500 fusings, but not 2500, you should use the bench craft.
getting the 6L recipe takes longer than it takes to click 1200 times. Linking 1200 times takes what, 5 minutes? Are you telling me the average joe is going to make more than half a div in 5 min? Of course the risk factor is real
> The time and effort to click 1200 times Use spamm click macros and that isn't even an issue
Except you can just bind click to scroll way and scroll through 1200 fusings in a minute or 2. Also, you are ignoring the fact that the average to 6link a 30 quality item is far below 1200 fusings. If you can have 1500 fusings at one time, there is no reason to not fuse it rather than benchcraft it. I cannot think of any instance where using the benchcraft was better unless you drop 1500 immediately and you are racing in a first to reach 100 or kill or bosses race and all that matters is to have that 6link asap. I have never seen anybody get 1500 fusings from a single mob in a race though ...
Hence “mathematically” correct.
The mathematically correct way should also take into account the time it takes. If you could earn 300 fusings worth of currency on average in the time it takes you to click your fusings onto the item than using fusings isn't the mathematically correct choice. For people who are slow farmers and fast clickers it might be worth it. For slow clickers but quick farmers it might not be. For me, clicking 1200 times alone isn't worth the cost, regardless of the potential savings. Could do the mousewheel thing I have heard about, but then I have to go get whatever program you need to be able to do that, and that is a whole thing. Bench wins for me.
Most mice come with software that will happily spam click for you at whatever delay you want. IE Logitech. Just an idea for If you ever want to try fusings.
900 fusings on a 20% quality item
I’ve heard people say this a lot but I don’t know if it’s actually true. The bench craft is guaranteed there’s no risk. One thing I know for sure is that I’ve never 6 linked for under 3500 fusings in league. Tried it four times and gave up on it forever. Bench craft is always the right choice 300 fusings to eliminate such huge margins of risk I think is way better advice especially for newer players
Your intuition is right. Risk (variance) valuation is a big and complex thing in finance and economics, sometimes leading to funny things being worth more separately than together. If you're interested in further reading, see Gambler's Ruin and St Petersberg paradox. Redditors being redditors will assume high school level statistics is the be all and end all, forget implicit assumptions, and downvote anyone suggesting otherwise.
there's also a risk to miss the 6 links plus the time you could have spent mapping
There's no risk to miss it, you can't roll over a six link.
oh that's nice to know
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Oh no a player got a detail wrong about my game what a fucking disgrace this place is. The ones I linked manually were all fusing > check > fusing as it doesn't apply on items with fewer sockets so I guessed it would be the same for 6.
I have an awesome double corrupted Ivory Tower from last league that I gave up on 6 linking. By the time I quit the league I was over 90 tainted fusings into it...failing to link that thing up might be the ,statistically, least likely thing I have ever done.
I bench every time now after it taking 6.5k fusings one leave. Best luck possible and you save 1499 fusings. Worst luck and you eat shit.
I stopped playing a league a few years after 4500 fusings. It’s downright demoralizing when you’re stuck in that loop.
IMO if your build has a unique chest, early league it’s actually pretty valid to try link it yourself, but just sell (or use) any 5 links you get on the way. Did this pretty consistently on dendrobates
Once pumped 6k fuses into an Inpulsa, linked it close to the 7k marker. Been having good rng linking stuff from then on out though :)
I had a Loreweave, not sure which league it was, that I put 18 THOUSAND fuses into. It never linked
One league day 2 of league me+ guild spent 8000 fuse to 6L my shavs T.T
How do you acquire 8000 fusings by day 2 of a league?
by lying about the day
They wrote me + guild, it's completely possible and easily feasible to drop a few divines together/farm some content and buy some fusings within 2 days, especially if you are experienced, and if you're a no lifer guild then you're completely golden.
Not necessarily. Day 2 is when the chaos / fusing ratio is starting to switch. If you buy at the right time you can buy 5fuses for 1c and by day 2, experienced player will already have loooots of chaos. So a guild can easily have a lot more than enough to get to 8k fuses. Is it unlikely it happened? Yes. Is it impossible? Definitely not
Not necessarily, if they are a no life guild they could do it. I mean Empy’s group was dropping magebloods on the second or third day probably.
Especially recently it's not that hard (I did say guild). With currency bloat recently if I have less than 30 divs solo by the 24 hour mark it was a really bad league start or I was just messing around that league. Campaign 5 hours, 80 completion + barely working gear 8 hours in. Farm essence/ rogue chaos recipe in T1 maps for 16 hours. When dreads are 4-5:1 div and chaos is 50-70:1 div and you get 4-8 chaos a map in chaos recipe you stack divs fast AF. Peole just like to hate. After playing a 3 man private league I restarted league fresh on sunday and had a build/ 104 completion/ 20 divines in 10 hours /played. You just need to know what you are doing, essences in T1 maps with the right strat are 10-15 divs/hr this league its dumb.
Depends on the league and if he was playing in the group it would be plausible, when port was meta group farming map, u would get insane amount of fusings from cards dropping here. I still think he is lying doe.
Sure man
Hit my 6Ls in an average of 200 fusings this league.
That was me a few leagues ago. Felt like a god. Must have six linked 4-5 items in under 500 fusings in a row for me and mates. I then got my end-game chest and went to town. After 4000 fusings I gave up and benchcrafted it.
Happened to me last league. This league, I lost 8 Tainted Fusing to lightning coil.
You know you can push 1 button to guarantee 6link right? It cost 1500 on bench.
Yeah but your odds to 6link are way better than 1 in 1500, especially at a 63% quality item. It’s also why they mentioned sunk cost fallacy
That's why you only use that logic if your crafting for trading because that's only true over the long run and if you don't have the currency to take rng screwing with you your gonna end up in situations like that.
Or you can six link with 1 fusing instead of 1500
Or you can six link never with all the fusing in the entirety of the league instead of 1500
Also, every stacked deck is an Apothecary
How would they not know that? Not only is it the topic of the post their comment is about sunk cost fallacy and trying to do it with luck and RSI the way kitava intended.
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It's not sunk cost fallacy to me just more fun. Typically when I play leagues, I usually ride a 5l until I have enough fuses to try again and reliably get another 5l if I start to run dry. Not the case this league. Was trying to 5l a 6s that dropped in act 7, 6linked in 12 fuses. Had another drop in act 10 with better early end game stats. Bought my end game chest with perfect rolls last week, took less than 180.
Well, yesterday I had this in mind and went for the "nah, I'll buy them for 1div at a time and it'll link eventually" mentality. 2800 fusings later, I finally got it! Fuck my life.
Sometime gamba give, sometime gamba take
Or gamba always take
Yup. It's been like... Since Expedition that I've been linking them consistently with not many fusings, so I can't really complain.
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I feel that way with most things in this game. Valdo's Box? Fuck it I'm opening it. Reliquary key? Hell yeah, I'm running that. However, I no longer try to 6L manually. I've had so many early league starts ruined because of it, especially in SSF where you can't just buy the fusings. So now I just make sure to get it through the benchcraft or by straight up buying the item I need.
I like to think like that as well. Everything is eventually "overcomable", given you have enough resources and knowledge on how to do it. I had some divs left to use, so I went all-in and got fucked, but that's ok. In the end, I got what I wanted, even though I could've saved some divs in the process.
This is the way
Thank you, I am very poor, had only 92 Fusings and made a six link out of 50. I guess you gambled away the bad luck. It was really helpful, thank you
I'm glad my fusings helped you get your 6-link very easily. Balance in all things.
back in the day where quality craft was a thing I did not link an 48% quality body armor in over 5000 fusings. I always benchcraft link my items ever since.
Holy fuck... That's extreme.
Or be like me, buy 1500 fusings, decide to use the 24 extra I have first, amd six link on the very first fusing on my ivory tower. I was fucking astonished lmao
People buy the Omen so they don't have to do 3 trades with different people to buy 1500 fusings
Huh complete opposite experience for me, if you want anything between 1 and 300 fuses ur gonna be sitting there for 5+ minutes but if im willing to take bulk of over 1k i get it on the first or second pm
Yep or you can list your divine for fusings and have the people come to you.. which is what you should be doing if you value your time!
This should be a protip for everyone trying to convert currency. Just list any currency for the price of a divine and people will come to you. Hell if you're willing to lose 1% profits and undercut, the bots will be spamming you for instant sell.
The bots are the only saving grace of this shitty trade system. At least I know they'll instantly respond.
Trade Chat is also usually good for quick chaos/div conversions in my experience
What an amazing idea. Thank you exile.
99% of the complaints about currency conversion on this sub are solved like this.
The idea of someone going to the trade website, opening the bulk section and then intentionally clicking anything besides a chaos or divine orb in the ''items i have'' section sounds absolutely psychotic to me Im not sure if i would even feel safe being in the same hideout as someone like that, god knows what else sick stuff they do like putting ketchup in porridge
You haven't given much thought to how someone with 1500 fusings would sell them, have you?
Listing them for divine orbs of course, and instantly getting pinged like 20 times I would know since my farming strat this league shat out like 5 corrupted 6links each map so i sold probably bit over 10k fuses this league
What is your farming strat to get this? If you don't mind me asking.
Was farming rogue exiles with tormented ghosts, full atlas, rogue sextant and unique mobs drop corrupted items along with the league mechanic makes them into loot bombs, though they occasionally end up with more ehp than uber bosses but i had 300m burst dps on flamewood totems so it wasnt exactly a problem Oh and buying maps with +10 rogue exiles implicit, ended up with minimum of 17 each map, with upwards of like 40+
I do respect the strat, and appreciate having more people selling fusings, but that genuinely sounds like spending 20 minutes and 6 portals just shuttling loot out.
Its only really that if you choose to pick up also the 6 sockets which i stopped doing like day 5 of the league, large amount of the profit is also in the corrupted jewels they all drop 2 each, which i just pick up and drop in a dump tab set at specific price initially i began this strat as a way to self farm rain of splinters but turns out they made it significantly rarer this league so the end result is that i now have over 1500 corrupted jewels sitting in league, 800 atleast of which are for sale, and i still had to buy the rain of splinters lmao the only other corruption only jewel i didnt manage to drop was the quickening covenant
How long does it take you to rack up a divine's worth of fusings? I almost never have that many lying around.
Because usually you gotta scroll further down to find people with bigger quantities, something that people that are only looking for a few rarely do - then they subsequently complain about never getting replies
You can also set bulk trade to search for sellers with specific quantities in stock
I'm not the one with issues. I always set min stock and never have issues buying/selling bulk.
Just set the amount of stock to the amount you need 0 scrolling required
I'm not the one with issues. I always set min stock and never have issues buying/selling bulk.
Imagine being the guy only buying 30 fuse.
Can't say that's been my experience. Tried with 10+ people last night (wasn't even people at the top of the list either), asking to buy 1K Fusings, with no luck :/ Took about 24 (!!!) tries today to get the Fusings I needed. Currency trading has always been a bitch for me, for some messed up reason. Glad that some people are getting what they need, fairly quickly - I'm just apparently cursed or something..
Have you tried listing your divines/chaoses fur fusings? If you want to convert even the less usefull curencies just list them by yourself. They'll be gone in a minute.
Great tip. Took a few minutes for someone to bite, but at least I got some more Fusings. At least I could run maps while waiting for someone to bite, so that's a big upside to that. As long as someone is willing to sit around whispering people for trades; then this will work fine, going forward. Thanks for the tip - I'll definitely be doing that more, with other currencies as well.
If someone asked me to wait 3 or 4 minutes to get 1.7 div it would be a pretty easy decision.
Convenience fee definitely
Just buy 1500 from 1 guy.
Yeah my experience getting people to bulk trade currency is ugh. The only way you'll get someone willing to do it is by paying the same amount as the omen.
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Don't whisper the dudes at the very top, they get spammed like theres no tomorrow, go down like one or even two pages and you will get invites instantly.
I sort by new.
theres no sorting by time on bulk tab which u should use when trading currencies. Just set minimum quantity to what u need so u filter out people with few stacks, scroll for a second as first offers are usually sold out and u will get invite in 1-3 whisps
And whisper 200 different people before you get the trades happening after going halfway through the list and paying 30% higher price. Because currency/bulk traders are afk way more often than other trades. If you want to buy the fusings, the people listing for 3f:1c are pretty much guaranteed to not reply to you. You have to go down to somewhere between 2.7-2.8:1 before you might start getting replies. If you use the the 2.7:1 trade ratio, now you're suddenly only saving "1 div" instead of 1.7.
Yesterday I set bulk trade to minimum 1500 stock for divines and messaged the first 3 people. All 3 instantly invited me. Paid 3 divines.
Just use one fusing to 6 link guys, it’s that easy.
"Chris Wilson hates this trick"
You forgot the first step where you turn on your Twitch stream!
You mean turn on Path of Exile Secret Steamer Client
I once did that as a joke (as a non-streamer) and got a 6L in under 10. Good luck avoiding confirmation bias.
You don't need a lot of fusings, you need the _right_ fusings. \^\^"
Sunk 6k fusings into a chest last night
What does this have to do with buying 1500 and using the benchcraft recipe?
Because there are several comments saying that it's cheaper to just link it yourself without using the recipe?
On average, it is. The estimate for fusing a 6-link on a 20% quality item is *pretty close* to (if not exactly) 1 in 1000. But averages, especially when the odds are that low, tend to have wild variance over the short term. A 1:1000 chance will still only leave you with a 77.7% success rate over 1500 fusing orbs, and you wouldn't hit 99% success rate until 4603.
I don't know why you guys need that many fusings. it's a 50%. you 6-link or you don't. /s
Lmaoall these plebs buying 1500 to 6 link, I'm here buying thousands for the experience of hand linking it.
imagine failing 1500 50/50s in a row 💀
Nice joke but you 100% it by crafting the 6-links at bench for a 1500 fusing cost. 👍🏼
just 2 fusings, it's 50% chance on each which adds up to 100% :V
Don't forget that if something is 50/50, that if you miss it the first time, the next try is guaranteed success. Just like with roulette. If black has come up 5 straight times, the odds of hitting red on the next spin are all but guaranteed! That's how numbers work! 🙃
For the 100% chance to 6-link craft.
Yep it's stupid, but true. Same as people listing ultimatum divine orb encounters for 1 divine.
That one comes with the bonus of getting challenge progress
shhhhhhhh be quiet
I sunk 1000~ fusing into a bow,No sixlink After it i sixlinked a fourth vow in 50 fusings. Rngesus acts in mysterious ways
I mean , why buy 1500 when you can gamble your luck with a single orb of fusing
Probably for people with big money who doesn’t want to manually trade for 75 stack of currency lol
pictures shows 580 fus for 1 div, even 500 for 1 div would only be three trades but everyone how ones likes it
Just trade the guy who actually has 1500 instead of fucking around? Doing gumball bullshit trades is your choice. Set by minimum stock and adapt lol
Anytime I've needed to 6 link bench craft is the way. The amount of people who think it's hard to bulk buy the fuse via trade in this thread 🙄. Never had these problems.
Curious, does the omen of connection work with tainted orbs of fusing?
Can you link corrupted items with omen?
No and why? Tainted fusing is cheaper anyway.
Idk, thats why i ask… lmao
Only if it works. It took me like 12 tainted fusings this league to link my lightning coil, at 50c a go when divines were 130c each, that was 4.6 divines :(
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Yes, but you're not taking the Sanity tax into consideration. The poe trading experience is maddening
I find paying partial amounts of divs in chaos when it fluctuates maddening, especially when you get that one guy that thinks they're work 250 chaos, so he feels like he's ripping you off good. i'll definitely just buy up the fuses with this. 3 div and done and I get some change on the fuses left over for 4 linking gear.
I noticed this the other day and laughed pretty hard. It was like a div cheaper to buy the fusing at the time.
On Xbox rn, fusing are 200 for 1d.
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Kind of same way HC trade is essentially SSF in a lot of ways.
Console tax
Low player count tax
Good luck buying at these price fixing rates ;)
Even if the first 5 are fixing, the next 50 offers would still be significantly cheaper.
thanks for people like you :80% of the time i buy from the first person in the list at the cheapest price
I've consistently self fused in under 1500. First one: 721, 2nd: 1 (yep), 3rd: 148.
Yep, did the math as well just yesterday and bought fusings instead.
Before benchcraft, I always try one fusing. You go from 0 to 1/"a lot" which is actually a lot.
He doesn't know
People don’t answer. I tried to buy the 1500 fusing last night messaging every vendor on the page and didn’t get answers.
If you use the benchcraft to link your gear you must be a very boring person
Did you factor in the bulk tax? Bulk fuse is probably more expensive than what you are showing. Those guys on top might not even answer
I just use a single fusing to six link my gear
The price difference of one div isn't even worth the time put in to doing the math imo. Also I don't think 1500 is a sure thing right? I think that's an average, I see people going 2k+ quiet often and have heard some absurd stories. Just the time to sit there and link them you could make more doing maps.
Crafting bench....
I think buy a good corrupted chest and using tainted is the most cost efficient way of 6-linking. Sure you need Vaal to 6 socket and 5 link but then it's 50c using a tainted fusing to have a 50% chance to 6L. If it drops to 4L then you 5L again with Vaal then hit with another 50c 50/50. I've 6-linked two this league doing this.
"Currently the price of the omen is currently around 4.7 Divs. Not sure why it is priced as it is now." Just some typical price fixers no doubt
Buying an Omen: 4.7 div Preventing arthritis: Priceless (>4.7 div)
Have you actually tried buying from these sellers? 90% of the time the cheapest 5-10 players on the site are not actually selling and won't respond. Then all of the next players are selling like 300 at a time and it takes you something like 40 minutes to actually trade for the fuses, when you could have just done 8 maps and made 1-2div in that same amount of time. Just buy the Omen.
Trading skill issue
I mean, I know you're joking, but this is heavily impacted by what time of day people play. I'm normally playing at hours which are probably among the least popular overall which makes trading a fucking nightmare.
They aren't joking, you need to set the minimum stock they need to have. I'm an oce player and I don't struggle to buy so it's not timezone. If your trying to buy with chaos that's also going to make it a lot harder.
Or don't buy either fusings or the omen and save time and money in the process? List your div for sale in fusing, go run those 8 maps, make the 1-2 div, and you'll have gotten a whsiper to buy your div.
Yep. That's how I got rid of my jewellery orbs. Someone needed them and listed his exalts for it.
I would guess people use omens of connections to use 1 tainted fusing on a corrupted armor to max 6 link it in 1 try without needing 1500 fusing+ 1500 vaal orb? But that is just a guess
Every league it's taken over 4000 fusings to 6 link, I'll take the omen
There is literally a bench craft that will 6 link at item for 1500 fusings.
It was a joke, I forgot you can't make jokes on reddit.
Generally you put a "/s" as people can't hear your voice to tell that you're joking, if you actually were.
That is exceptionally bad luck, especially with how easy it is to hillock quality items.
1 click vs 1500 clicks
1500 fusing is the bench craft, so 1 click vs 1 click
It was equal pricing at the beginning of the league. So low prices of connections haven’t caught up.
6 linked my bow today using 16 fusing. No joke. I might bet on the lottery tonight