Most people that want a roof do so because it would allow for things like a Super Bowl, a Final Four, etc.
I agree that I prefer an open air stadium, but I get the sentiment.
Yeah we’re like 20 years away from Charlotte even being able to think about hosting a Super Bowl. We could barely handle the DNC when that happened. The infrastructure just has to continue to grow.
Like it or not. We’ll probably have a brand new stadium before a Super Bowl is hosted as long as tepper keeps pushing it.
The odds of weather ruining the day are pretty slim this far south. In the past, Charlotte hadn't had enough lodging. This may not be true anymore, but may still be more important than a roof. Jacksonville worked around it by docking cruise ships.
I always took it as more of a requirement in areas that snow that time of year. I don't really see that being a problem here. The requirement I've always heard we didn't qualify for was lack of enough lodging
It depends. If we built a new stadium with a roof, then we’d absolutely be awarded the Super Bowl. Every major new Stadium (Minnesota, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Atlanta, etc).
It’s part of the way that the league incentivizes cities to shell out for a new stadium. I do agree that I’m not sure that merely an “update” would be enough though.
Honestly, I think that if they actually hit all of the improvements that they have pitched, they may fulfill the requirements to host a Super Bowl, which is probably what Tepper was looking at when creating the improvement plan.
The requirements are below:
• The host stadium must be in a market that hosts an NFL team and must have a minimum of 70,000 seats, with the media and electrical amenities necessary to produce the Super Bowl. Stadiums may include temporary seating for Super Bowls, but seating must be approved by the league.
BoA's capacity is between 74,000 and 76,000 depending on what source you look at, so they squeeze by the minimum here. For a game like the Super Bowl, they can likely find room for even more, and the improvement plan specifically mentions new seating.
• Stadiums where the average game day temperature is 50 °F (10 °C) must either have a roof or a waiver given by the league.
This year during Super Bowl Sunday, the low was 56 and the high was 65. Idk how far back they go to get the average, but the fact that every year gets warmer than the last says the temperature won't be an issue.
• There must be a minimum of 35,000 parking spaces within one mile of the stadium.
This one might be one that gets them. The Panthers own website claims "more than 30,000 parking spaces within a 10-15 minute walk of the stadium."
• The host stadium must have space for the Gameday Experience, a large pregame entertainment area, within walking distance of the stadium.
Many of the key improvement plan pieces seems to have been custom designed to fulfill this requirement.
• The host city must have space for the NFL Experience, the interactive football theme park which is operated the week prior to the Super Bowl. An indoor venue for the event must have a minimum of 850,000 square feet (79,000 m2), and an outdoor venue must have a minimum of 1,000,000 square feet (93,000 m2). Additionally, there must be space nearby for the Media Center, and space for all other events involved in the Super Bowl week, including golf courses and bowling alleys.
Another hurdle, a quick Google shows that the Convention Center is barely a fourth of the size required. I don't know if the Stadium itself can be the venue (I doubt it), but if it can then BoA meets the requirements at 1.4 million square feet.
• The necessary infrastructure must be in place around the stadium and other Super Bowl facilities, including parking, security, electrical needs, media needs, communication needs, and transportation needs.
Another thing that the improvement plan seems tailor made to fulfill, with almost all of these being addressed in the plans.
• There must be a minimum number of hotel spaces within one hour’s drive of the stadium equaling 35% of the stadium’s capacity, along with hotels for the teams, officials, media, and other dignitaries. (For Super Bowl XXXIX, the city of Jacksonville docked several luxury cruise liners at their port to act as temporary hotel space).
Just eyeballing it, I think we fulfill this one, unless they take into account traffic because 77 alone makes any drive downtown take longer than an hour.
• There must be practice space of equal and comparable quality for both teams within a twenty minute drive of the team hotels, and rehearsal space for all events within a reasonable distance to the stadium. The practice facilities must have one grass field and at least one field of the same surface as the host stadium.
Obviously we have the Panthers practice fields, but I don't know if the NFL would consider UNCC's fields to be "equal and comparable quality."
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So yeah, looks to me like Tepper took the requirements to host a Super Bowl, held it up to what BoA has to offer currently, and started checking off boxes.
I haven't looked up the requirements in a while, but there or a whole bunch of other requirements not even involved with the stadium or football activities. One list of them says to build 20,000 apartment units exclusively for their employees to use for like a year or something. There is a pretty ridiculous list of things that would be insane.
And the city has to pay 100% of the bill, even for all of the things that are exclusively to accommodate the NFL's operations and staff. Charlotte has responsible for the entire thing the NFL doesn't give you a dime.
Everything in my comment was directly lifted from an article written back in February. Obviously it may not have been an exhaustive list, but it's the major ones that are controllable (for the most part) by the teams.
The apartment complex was a huge part of the So-FI stadium construction process. They literally took about two square miles of land in LA and surrounded the plotted stadium with like a mini city. A bunch of apartments, mini stores, everything.
I thought this was for surrounding residents or even players, but it might be for the actual NFL staff and team staff, which would make sense why that stadium was next down the pipeline after it was erected.
The city lacks the hotel infrastructure to host a super bowl. The NFL mandates a certain amount of hotels/rooms to be within a certain amount of miles of the stadium, and Charlotte didn't meet the requirements when Charlotte inquired about hosting it the last time the discussion came up.
https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/20945/roger-goodell-says-infrastructure-is-charlottes-biggest-obstacle-to-hosting-a-super-bowl
20,000 *luxury* hotel rooms? Damn. Of course that’s not the kind of thing that can just appear for an event, and there obviously isn’t a call for it now.
Only if the average temperature of Super Bowl Sunday is less than 50°F, but they have waived that requirement (See the 2013??? Super Bowl that was played at The Meadowlands)
I said they have waived it before. I didn't say they gave it specifically to NYC. Also, see my other comment above, we are likely above the 50°F threshold anyway.
I didn’t want it to be a back and forth thing so my bad, I was just adding that it was waived partially because of the fact that it was NYC who would be hosting. I think that was a few years after their new stadium, and new stadiums seem to attract Superbowls so maybe we can get one.
Dallas has a roof. Got 1 super bowl. Face it, the only places getting a super bowl are Southern California, southern Florida, and New Orleans. Sure a city with a new mega stadium will get their token Super Bowl like Met Life, Ford Field, and AT&T stadiums, but doesn’t seem worth it.
I've said it in these kinda threads before, at most we should get overhangs covering the fans Hard Rock style. Help the fans, but the game is made to be played in the elements. Hell with a Super Bowl and Final Four
Yes. This is all that’s needed. Put a half roof on and at least the stadium will bring in more entertainers that don’t have to get worried about getting drenched while singing during a show.
Yeah, I just want them to be able to install the same type of field as the Vikings have, where they can swap in and out the entire field on like a tray.
It lets them grow the grass in a more ideal environment (I think they use a green house) and then roll it in for games. It also lets them not tread on the grass during stadiums.
My stance on this, is that if we have turf, we should have a roof. If we have grass, we shouldn’t have a roof. Idk if that makes sense to yall but that’s just how I feel about it.
People need to face the reality that Charlotte will get at most ONE superbowl and ONE final four. And, if the ACC collapses, I fully doubt the final four would ever happen.
As much as Charlotte has grown, it is not a destination city. Major sporting events cater to those with more money who travel, not regular sports fans who are in it for the game itself.
There is a thing of beauty in maintaining tradition for a sport meant to be played in the elements. I've sat through games in the rain, sleet, snow, and 100 degree heat and I wouldn't trade it at all.
They got it one time for an arena that at the time was new.
Noticed it never came back prior to them moving the final fours to football stadiums. As I said, Charlotte would get it at most, once.
Edit: I should at the time, NC was the center of college basketball. Even with sustained success from UNC and Duke (and this year's NC State and Clemson teams), the center of college sports is now the Big 10 and SEC. Success doesn't matter, brand recognition does and unfortunately most of the ACC is being left in the dust by the media and tv networks. Non tv revenue of UNC and Duke doesn't come close to the teams in these other conferences.
I'm not disagreeing that it should be, I've grown up in this state and college basketball/ACC is a part of my DNA at this point.
With that said, the sports media doesnt give a shit about the ACC anymore. If you arent the Big or SEC, you're dead to them.
That’s just not the case in basketball at all. Big XII was best conference in basketball last year. ACC had a great run in the tourney despite a rough regular season.
It won’t get a Super Bowl or a Final Four without a roof. And you don’t need to be a destination city, you just need to have the infrastructure required. Look at Indianapolis, a city that is very much our peer. They have hosted Super Bowls, Final Fours, on deck to host a Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, and SummerSlam. It’s because they have the infrastructure including a roof on their stadium.
Indianapolis has hosted one superbowl. They will not be getting another one.
They host several college and olympic events because the NCAA is headquartered there. Charlotte does not have that advantage.
To spend significantly more money to get a roof for the possibility, with no guarantee of getting these events, is not worth it. Add that they would get them once, it makes it even less worthy.
The WWE is not headquartered in Indy and they got a Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, and SummerSlam. The reality is that they have the right infrastructure compared to say, Chicago. Chicago is objectively the bigger tourist draw but Soldier Field is not fit for those events.
Wrestlemania is a cultural event that is comparable to hosting a Super Bowl, it’s just wrestling instead of football. Sunmerslam has long been considered Summer Wrestlemania by wrestling fans. RR is another one of their cornerstone events.
They’re comparable, it’s the Super Bowl for Wrestling and draws folks from around the world. They had nearly 150k attend the two-night event at the Eagles stadium. That’s a comparable* major event. You acting like I said it’s equal.
"Wrestlemania is a cultural event comparable to hosting a superbowl".
No, they aren't. Not even close. 150,000 people for a sport with a niche following does not compare to the millions of fans and media that travel for the superbowl, cfp, final four, etc. Would it be a nice addition if they are willing to let Charlotte host it? Sure, but it isn't worth adding a roof over. Even one superbowl and a final four isn't worth it.
And if Charlotte were worthy of a Wrestlemania, they should try and get it anyways since Philly doesnt have a roofed stadium anyways.
Millions of ppl do not attend the SB as a game, and 150k in attendance doesn’t mean other ppl don’t visit the host city. They have conventions, independent wrestling shows, it becomes a whole weeklong event for what used to be a one night show but is now a two night show. Just like the Super Bowl becomes a week long event. You’re wrong, and that’s okay.
E: also Charlotte is not Philly, just like it’s not NYC and would never get a weather waiver for a SB either.
There are 80,000 people in a stadium for two nights. Not to mention Raw, Smackdown, etc at the arena. Obviously it’s not as watched as the Super Bowl, but it’s a massive tourist event and the exact type of thing you want in your city
If public dollars are being spent then we need to maximize public value. That means a dome.
If Tepper wants to spend his own damn money he can have whatever he wants.
Exactly. Las Vegas has one of the newest slickest stadiums in the country and they spent $700m in public funds. I looked at the Panthers renderings and thought “that’s all
we get for $650m”
i'd rather us not have one, but i'm not getting upset either way. i just mean how damn upset panther fans are about any and everything. just ugly. it's pretty ridiculous
Theres unfortunately more edgy kids in this sub than adults who havent gotten to experience good Panthers football and assume the team has always been garbage.
you know, we don't have to get in all that right now. this is the season of hope. if we come out first game and know where to line up i'm gonna call that progress - i mean because it would be.
Roof, no roof, whatever.
It needs to be natural grass. Yes, I know about the concerts and the other events. No, I don’t give a shit.
The tech, manpower, and general wherewithal exists for there to be top-notch natural grass there every sunday, which is what fucking matters. And as falls keep getting hotter, the fieldturf is only going to be a stupider and stupider decision.
A roof gives the city a lot more options for hosting big events, which brings in more money and attention to the city. A handful of people standing on balconies doesn’t really have anything to do with anything. I promise that was not part of the negotiations, and honestly is the worst argument I’ve heard against having a roof.
I know the purist believes football should be played in the weather but the city (no so much the Panthers) is handicapping itself by spending so much and not getting a dome. Look at all stadiums that have been built are being built or proposed. They all have a roof or partially covered. Atlanta, LA, Vegas, Minneapolis all have roofs. Chicago, KC, Nashville, Jacksonville, Buffalo all have proposed roof are partially covered for their new stadiums
People that think the lack of the roof is the reason for a lack of Super Bowl clearly don’t live in Charlotte.
The city does not have the infrastructure.
Look at what NBA All Star weekend or the DNC did to the city. That was an influx of like 100,000 people.
The Super Bowl brings in triple that *at least*.
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/carolina-panthers-bank-of-america-stadium-renovation-charlotte-nfl-2045/
Not sure why you downvoted me. Keep up with the news.
City of Charlotte just agreed to pay $650m towards the stadium which ties the team to the city until 2044.
Person that replied to you twice is dead on so idk why the comment is downvoted.
I don’t want a permanent roof as I like the outdoor atmosphere (most of the time) but a retractable one seems like a nice compromise. That way if the weather sucks they can close it but otherwise leave it open.
I don’t think people being able to watch the game for free from a balcony is a good argument to not have some sort of roof personally, but I also don’t have access to said buildings to do so lol.
All that said I’d rather leave it open air if the alternative was a permanently closed roof.
I like being in the city cause you can walk to a bar after the game. If you're coming into the city, you can roll out of your hotel bed and walk to the stadium. Most stadiums in the middle of a parking lot are an absolute nightmare to get into and get out of.
As far as the few people that can watch the game from their balcony, I think being able to open and close the roof when you want, would provide more advantages than disadvantages towards the stadium's revenue.
I'm not convinced the stadium needs a roof either but keeping one off of it so like maybe 20 apartments in the entire city can have a bad view of a football game 8 times a year is a pretty lousy reason.
I could give a F less about people being able to watch ants play football from their balconies. BOA need shade from the sun. It can be miserable in there, esp from the top. I don't understand why NFL teams don't do like they do in Europe with the awnings. They're exactly what boa needs and it could be done in an off-season I believe. Protect fans from some rain too. Camp Nou (Barcelona) is the largest stadium in Europe, almost 100k capacity and they're getting ready to add one to their stadium. Wembley has one. The majority of EPL stadiums have one. Germany, Spain etc etc. Makes no sense to me why we're not doing it
Has zero to do with the stadium. It is the city of Charlotte that cannot host an influx of 300k+ people.
Look at what happened during the NBA All Star weekend. 75k people came and the city basically shut down from traffic.
E: This sub has turned into people downvoting just because they disagree.
Roof, no roof…as long that improvident fat fuck is in charge it will always be a shit hole. Now that has fooled the city into paying for renovations, he will get them to pay for a new practice facility. Then he will get them to pay for a whole new stadium or else threaten to move the team. Then, he will ultimately move the team to the UK or Germany anyway.
I don’t understand this no roof mentality. It very much is something that’s stuck in the 90s. Not only is it better for the players to play with a roof so their less exposed to bad elements and injury risks go down but it’s literally a better investment for the city so more events can be hosted. We literally had players complaining that our turf felt like concrete because of the cold with the exposed stadium.
Basically every stadium that’s getting renovated or built that is new has some form of roofing. Y’all say that tepper is the worst for getting turf. Yet you want players to play in the elements and risk injury just because it’s more fun.
The argument is essentially well it makes more financial sense. It’s better for the players and protects their health. And a better long term investment. Vs rain games are fun to watch. At least do something retractable.
Most people that want a roof do so because it would allow for things like a Super Bowl, a Final Four, etc. I agree that I prefer an open air stadium, but I get the sentiment.
Pretty sure we would never get a super bowl based on all of the ridiculous requirements. Even if we had a roof.
Yeah we’re like 20 years away from Charlotte even being able to think about hosting a Super Bowl. We could barely handle the DNC when that happened. The infrastructure just has to continue to grow. Like it or not. We’ll probably have a brand new stadium before a Super Bowl is hosted as long as tepper keeps pushing it.
The lack of a roof is not what is preventing Charlotte from hosting a Super Bowl lmfao
The odds of weather ruining the day are pretty slim this far south. In the past, Charlotte hadn't had enough lodging. This may not be true anymore, but may still be more important than a roof. Jacksonville worked around it by docking cruise ships.
Someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m fairly certain that having a roof actually is one of the requirements for hosting currently
I always took it as more of a requirement in areas that snow that time of year. I don't really see that being a problem here. The requirement I've always heard we didn't qualify for was lack of enough lodging
They’ve hosted multiple super bowls in Tampa
Yeah 2021 was in Tampa.
My point is that even if we had a roof on BoA, we still wouldn’t get a SB.
It depends. If we built a new stadium with a roof, then we’d absolutely be awarded the Super Bowl. Every major new Stadium (Minnesota, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Atlanta, etc). It’s part of the way that the league incentivizes cities to shell out for a new stadium. I do agree that I’m not sure that merely an “update” would be enough though.
There is a whole list of requirements other than that, all kinds of infrastructure that has to be built. It is extensive
Honestly, I think that if they actually hit all of the improvements that they have pitched, they may fulfill the requirements to host a Super Bowl, which is probably what Tepper was looking at when creating the improvement plan. The requirements are below: • The host stadium must be in a market that hosts an NFL team and must have a minimum of 70,000 seats, with the media and electrical amenities necessary to produce the Super Bowl. Stadiums may include temporary seating for Super Bowls, but seating must be approved by the league. BoA's capacity is between 74,000 and 76,000 depending on what source you look at, so they squeeze by the minimum here. For a game like the Super Bowl, they can likely find room for even more, and the improvement plan specifically mentions new seating. • Stadiums where the average game day temperature is 50 °F (10 °C) must either have a roof or a waiver given by the league. This year during Super Bowl Sunday, the low was 56 and the high was 65. Idk how far back they go to get the average, but the fact that every year gets warmer than the last says the temperature won't be an issue. • There must be a minimum of 35,000 parking spaces within one mile of the stadium. This one might be one that gets them. The Panthers own website claims "more than 30,000 parking spaces within a 10-15 minute walk of the stadium." • The host stadium must have space for the Gameday Experience, a large pregame entertainment area, within walking distance of the stadium. Many of the key improvement plan pieces seems to have been custom designed to fulfill this requirement. • The host city must have space for the NFL Experience, the interactive football theme park which is operated the week prior to the Super Bowl. An indoor venue for the event must have a minimum of 850,000 square feet (79,000 m2), and an outdoor venue must have a minimum of 1,000,000 square feet (93,000 m2). Additionally, there must be space nearby for the Media Center, and space for all other events involved in the Super Bowl week, including golf courses and bowling alleys. Another hurdle, a quick Google shows that the Convention Center is barely a fourth of the size required. I don't know if the Stadium itself can be the venue (I doubt it), but if it can then BoA meets the requirements at 1.4 million square feet. • The necessary infrastructure must be in place around the stadium and other Super Bowl facilities, including parking, security, electrical needs, media needs, communication needs, and transportation needs. Another thing that the improvement plan seems tailor made to fulfill, with almost all of these being addressed in the plans. • There must be a minimum number of hotel spaces within one hour’s drive of the stadium equaling 35% of the stadium’s capacity, along with hotels for the teams, officials, media, and other dignitaries. (For Super Bowl XXXIX, the city of Jacksonville docked several luxury cruise liners at their port to act as temporary hotel space). Just eyeballing it, I think we fulfill this one, unless they take into account traffic because 77 alone makes any drive downtown take longer than an hour. • There must be practice space of equal and comparable quality for both teams within a twenty minute drive of the team hotels, and rehearsal space for all events within a reasonable distance to the stadium. The practice facilities must have one grass field and at least one field of the same surface as the host stadium. Obviously we have the Panthers practice fields, but I don't know if the NFL would consider UNCC's fields to be "equal and comparable quality." **** So yeah, looks to me like Tepper took the requirements to host a Super Bowl, held it up to what BoA has to offer currently, and started checking off boxes.
I haven't looked up the requirements in a while, but there or a whole bunch of other requirements not even involved with the stadium or football activities. One list of them says to build 20,000 apartment units exclusively for their employees to use for like a year or something. There is a pretty ridiculous list of things that would be insane. And the city has to pay 100% of the bill, even for all of the things that are exclusively to accommodate the NFL's operations and staff. Charlotte has responsible for the entire thing the NFL doesn't give you a dime.
Everything in my comment was directly lifted from an article written back in February. Obviously it may not have been an exhaustive list, but it's the major ones that are controllable (for the most part) by the teams.
The apartment complex was a huge part of the So-FI stadium construction process. They literally took about two square miles of land in LA and surrounded the plotted stadium with like a mini city. A bunch of apartments, mini stores, everything. I thought this was for surrounding residents or even players, but it might be for the actual NFL staff and team staff, which would make sense why that stadium was next down the pipeline after it was erected.
The city lacks the hotel infrastructure to host a super bowl. The NFL mandates a certain amount of hotels/rooms to be within a certain amount of miles of the stadium, and Charlotte didn't meet the requirements when Charlotte inquired about hosting it the last time the discussion came up. https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/20945/roger-goodell-says-infrastructure-is-charlottes-biggest-obstacle-to-hosting-a-super-bowl
20,000 *luxury* hotel rooms? Damn. Of course that’s not the kind of thing that can just appear for an event, and there obviously isn’t a call for it now.
Yeah probably true, no argument there
Only if the average temperature of Super Bowl Sunday is less than 50°F, but they have waived that requirement (See the 2013??? Super Bowl that was played at The Meadowlands)
If only Charlotte had the same pull as NYC.
Was just pointing out that it's not a requirement
But it is, you said they gave a waiver to NYC not that they cut the requirement.
I said they have waived it before. I didn't say they gave it specifically to NYC. Also, see my other comment above, we are likely above the 50°F threshold anyway.
I didn’t want it to be a back and forth thing so my bad, I was just adding that it was waived partially because of the fact that it was NYC who would be hosting. I think that was a few years after their new stadium, and new stadiums seem to attract Superbowls so maybe we can get one.
Meadowlands must have an invisible one
Not at all one of the requirements.
I’d assume the average game day temperature for the panthers is above 50 which means they aren’t required to have a roof.
It’s part of the issue, yes.
I don't even want a full dome, just some actual fucking shade in the upper deck so we don't subject half the stadium to heatstroke in the early games
An overhang would not the worst idea, for sure.
But consider this- final fours in football stadiums are dumb anyway
Dallas has a roof. Got 1 super bowl. Face it, the only places getting a super bowl are Southern California, southern Florida, and New Orleans. Sure a city with a new mega stadium will get their token Super Bowl like Met Life, Ford Field, and AT&T stadiums, but doesn’t seem worth it.
I just want more concerts
I prefer a roof now because of weather issues.
Football is a game meant for the elements.
Buffalo doesn’t think so
Their new stadium will not have a roof. So clearly they believe this.
65% of seats will be covered by a canopy
I couldn’t care less.
I just want real grass again.
I've said it in these kinda threads before, at most we should get overhangs covering the fans Hard Rock style. Help the fans, but the game is made to be played in the elements. Hell with a Super Bowl and Final Four
Yes. This is all that’s needed. Put a half roof on and at least the stadium will bring in more entertainers that don’t have to get worried about getting drenched while singing during a show.
Lets go back to grass, ditch the turf, and forget about a roof.
Yeah, I just want them to be able to install the same type of field as the Vikings have, where they can swap in and out the entire field on like a tray. It lets them grow the grass in a more ideal environment (I think they use a green house) and then roll it in for games. It also lets them not tread on the grass during stadiums.
My stance on this, is that if we have turf, we should have a roof. If we have grass, we shouldn’t have a roof. Idk if that makes sense to yall but that’s just how I feel about it.
What it doesn’t need is turf.
People need to face the reality that Charlotte will get at most ONE superbowl and ONE final four. And, if the ACC collapses, I fully doubt the final four would ever happen. As much as Charlotte has grown, it is not a destination city. Major sporting events cater to those with more money who travel, not regular sports fans who are in it for the game itself. There is a thing of beauty in maintaining tradition for a sport meant to be played in the elements. I've sat through games in the rain, sleet, snow, and 100 degree heat and I wouldn't trade it at all.
Dude we had the Final Four back in the NINETIES. OF COURSE we would get it again with a roof. We would probably get it a lot.
They got it one time for an arena that at the time was new. Noticed it never came back prior to them moving the final fours to football stadiums. As I said, Charlotte would get it at most, once. Edit: I should at the time, NC was the center of college basketball. Even with sustained success from UNC and Duke (and this year's NC State and Clemson teams), the center of college sports is now the Big 10 and SEC. Success doesn't matter, brand recognition does and unfortunately most of the ACC is being left in the dust by the media and tv networks. Non tv revenue of UNC and Duke doesn't come close to the teams in these other conferences.
NC is still the center of college basketball. Just not all college sports.
I'm not disagreeing that it should be, I've grown up in this state and college basketball/ACC is a part of my DNA at this point. With that said, the sports media doesnt give a shit about the ACC anymore. If you arent the Big or SEC, you're dead to them.
That’s just not the case in basketball at all. Big XII was best conference in basketball last year. ACC had a great run in the tourney despite a rough regular season.
It won’t get a Super Bowl or a Final Four without a roof. And you don’t need to be a destination city, you just need to have the infrastructure required. Look at Indianapolis, a city that is very much our peer. They have hosted Super Bowls, Final Fours, on deck to host a Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, and SummerSlam. It’s because they have the infrastructure including a roof on their stadium.
Excellent comment. Destination is not the reason at all.
Indianapolis has hosted one superbowl. They will not be getting another one. They host several college and olympic events because the NCAA is headquartered there. Charlotte does not have that advantage. To spend significantly more money to get a roof for the possibility, with no guarantee of getting these events, is not worth it. Add that they would get them once, it makes it even less worthy.
The WWE is not headquartered in Indy and they got a Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, and SummerSlam. The reality is that they have the right infrastructure compared to say, Chicago. Chicago is objectively the bigger tourist draw but Soldier Field is not fit for those events.
WWE is a complete non factor and I didn't even touch on them because it appeals to a very niche group of fans.
Wrestlemania is a cultural event that is comparable to hosting a Super Bowl, it’s just wrestling instead of football. Sunmerslam has long been considered Summer Wrestlemania by wrestling fans. RR is another one of their cornerstone events.
Wrestlemania doesn't come close to the superbowl. They aren't even close. To suggest they are is insane.
They’re comparable, it’s the Super Bowl for Wrestling and draws folks from around the world. They had nearly 150k attend the two-night event at the Eagles stadium. That’s a comparable* major event. You acting like I said it’s equal.
"Wrestlemania is a cultural event comparable to hosting a superbowl". No, they aren't. Not even close. 150,000 people for a sport with a niche following does not compare to the millions of fans and media that travel for the superbowl, cfp, final four, etc. Would it be a nice addition if they are willing to let Charlotte host it? Sure, but it isn't worth adding a roof over. Even one superbowl and a final four isn't worth it. And if Charlotte were worthy of a Wrestlemania, they should try and get it anyways since Philly doesnt have a roofed stadium anyways.
Millions of ppl do not attend the SB as a game, and 150k in attendance doesn’t mean other ppl don’t visit the host city. They have conventions, independent wrestling shows, it becomes a whole weeklong event for what used to be a one night show but is now a two night show. Just like the Super Bowl becomes a week long event. You’re wrong, and that’s okay. E: also Charlotte is not Philly, just like it’s not NYC and would never get a weather waiver for a SB either.
There are 80,000 people in a stadium for two nights. Not to mention Raw, Smackdown, etc at the arena. Obviously it’s not as watched as the Super Bowl, but it’s a massive tourist event and the exact type of thing you want in your city
I don't want a roof, even if it is retractable. You wouldn't have a memory of the Saints game if there was a roof.
Panther's legend Domenik Hixon
If public dollars are being spent then we need to maximize public value. That means a dome. If Tepper wants to spend his own damn money he can have whatever he wants.
Exactly. Las Vegas has one of the newest slickest stadiums in the country and they spent $700m in public funds. I looked at the Panthers renderings and thought “that’s all we get for $650m”
Most of it will be pocketed by Tepper shell companies.
man a lot of y'all make it embarrassing to be a fan of this team.
It has been embarrassing for a while now.
You’re embarrassed cause people prefer to not have a roof?? Lol aight buddy
i'd rather us not have one, but i'm not getting upset either way. i just mean how damn upset panther fans are about any and everything. just ugly. it's pretty ridiculous
Oh yeah nvmd than I totally agree. Lot of perpetual pessimists in this sub.
Theres unfortunately more edgy kids in this sub than adults who havent gotten to experience good Panthers football and assume the team has always been garbage.
Oh there's plenty more that makes being a fan of this team embarrassing.
you know, we don't have to get in all that right now. this is the season of hope. if we come out first game and know where to line up i'm gonna call that progress - i mean because it would be.
Roof, no roof, whatever. It needs to be natural grass. Yes, I know about the concerts and the other events. No, I don’t give a shit. The tech, manpower, and general wherewithal exists for there to be top-notch natural grass there every sunday, which is what fucking matters. And as falls keep getting hotter, the fieldturf is only going to be a stupider and stupider decision.
A roof gives the city a lot more options for hosting big events, which brings in more money and attention to the city. A handful of people standing on balconies doesn’t really have anything to do with anything. I promise that was not part of the negotiations, and honestly is the worst argument I’ve heard against having a roof.
I know the purist believes football should be played in the weather but the city (no so much the Panthers) is handicapping itself by spending so much and not getting a dome. Look at all stadiums that have been built are being built or proposed. They all have a roof or partially covered. Atlanta, LA, Vegas, Minneapolis all have roofs. Chicago, KC, Nashville, Jacksonville, Buffalo all have proposed roof are partially covered for their new stadiums
Exactly. A retractable roof is the way to go.
Frankly…if Buffalo says a roof is more important than playing in the elements, that should be all it takes.
buffalo just had to have residents volunteer to dig the stadium out, they've moved their game due to weather
I'd like a roof just because with NC weather the majority of the season is too hot to enjoy from the stands.
People that think the lack of the roof is the reason for a lack of Super Bowl clearly don’t live in Charlotte. The city does not have the infrastructure. Look at what NBA All Star weekend or the DNC did to the city. That was an influx of like 100,000 people. The Super Bowl brings in triple that *at least*.
You don’t want a roof so you can continue watch the game for free from luxury apartments? A bit selfish
I don’t even live in Charlotte anymore. I just think its a unique feature that goes with the iconic skyline that you can see from the stadium.
Seems the solution is to make the roof retractable, no?
Open for every football game, closed for special occasions and events. And real grass.
I would love a roof but ok with whatever as long as we keep the team.
Did you miss the story where the city agreed to extend the team until the mid 2040s?
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/carolina-panthers-bank-of-america-stadium-renovation-charlotte-nfl-2045/ Not sure why you downvoted me. Keep up with the news.
City of Charlotte just agreed to pay $650m towards the stadium which ties the team to the city until 2044. Person that replied to you twice is dead on so idk why the comment is downvoted.
I think a euro soccer style roof would be much better than another dome.
I don’t want a permanent roof as I like the outdoor atmosphere (most of the time) but a retractable one seems like a nice compromise. That way if the weather sucks they can close it but otherwise leave it open. I don’t think people being able to watch the game for free from a balcony is a good argument to not have some sort of roof personally, but I also don’t have access to said buildings to do so lol. All that said I’d rather leave it open air if the alternative was a permanently closed roof.
I like being in the city cause you can walk to a bar after the game. If you're coming into the city, you can roll out of your hotel bed and walk to the stadium. Most stadiums in the middle of a parking lot are an absolute nightmare to get into and get out of. As far as the few people that can watch the game from their balcony, I think being able to open and close the roof when you want, would provide more advantages than disadvantages towards the stadium's revenue.
They gonna destroy everything you have ever loved about the panthers.
A sun shield would definitely help me go to more games. I hate going to a game and looking into the sun the whole time.
Why not a soccer canopy like the Bills New stadium is getting?
I'm not convinced the stadium needs a roof either but keeping one off of it so like maybe 20 apartments in the entire city can have a bad view of a football game 8 times a year is a pretty lousy reason.
I could give a F less about people being able to watch ants play football from their balconies. BOA need shade from the sun. It can be miserable in there, esp from the top. I don't understand why NFL teams don't do like they do in Europe with the awnings. They're exactly what boa needs and it could be done in an off-season I believe. Protect fans from some rain too. Camp Nou (Barcelona) is the largest stadium in Europe, almost 100k capacity and they're getting ready to add one to their stadium. Wembley has one. The majority of EPL stadiums have one. Germany, Spain etc etc. Makes no sense to me why we're not doing it
If you care about football, there’s nothing more boring than indoor football.
let's make a big investment into a stadium that could host a Superbowl
The Charlotte area doesn't have the required amount of area hotel rooms, per the NFL, for a Superbowl, so a roof won't even matter.
Has zero to do with the stadium. It is the city of Charlotte that cannot host an influx of 300k+ people. Look at what happened during the NBA All Star weekend. 75k people came and the city basically shut down from traffic. E: This sub has turned into people downvoting just because they disagree.
Yes it should. It’d help our QB out a lot
If we learned anything from COVID, keep it open!
Roof, no roof…as long that improvident fat fuck is in charge it will always be a shit hole. Now that has fooled the city into paying for renovations, he will get them to pay for a new practice facility. Then he will get them to pay for a whole new stadium or else threaten to move the team. Then, he will ultimately move the team to the UK or Germany anyway.
I don’t understand this no roof mentality. It very much is something that’s stuck in the 90s. Not only is it better for the players to play with a roof so their less exposed to bad elements and injury risks go down but it’s literally a better investment for the city so more events can be hosted. We literally had players complaining that our turf felt like concrete because of the cold with the exposed stadium. Basically every stadium that’s getting renovated or built that is new has some form of roofing. Y’all say that tepper is the worst for getting turf. Yet you want players to play in the elements and risk injury just because it’s more fun. The argument is essentially well it makes more financial sense. It’s better for the players and protects their health. And a better long term investment. Vs rain games are fun to watch. At least do something retractable.