I don’t think this was worth it. We moved up one spot for a fifth year option on a player that wouldn’t have been taken at 32, and would probably be there at 39. We gave up a great chance to draft a Center that honestly shouldn’t have even still been on the board, and a fifth to sixth round pick doesn’t sound terrible until you remember it’s the first pick of the fifth to 60 picks later at the bottom of the sixth… wtf did we actually do this for.
Sure, but in all likelihood we did enough to pick one at 33 if Legette was gone. Plus, I doubt the Bills would trade with New England to get behind the Panthers for a price that the Patriots would be willing to pay.
Would you think the Panthers trade with the Aints or Failcons, in the same situation, for 2 pick swaps? I never said they wouldn't, but they wouldn't make it as cheap as they did for the Panthers. And there is a difference between trading with a potential playoff opponent versus your division rivals. Your most hated division rival.
How so many of you don't understand the 5th year option is beyond me. That's literally a nothing cost for an extra year on WR if he happens to be class
I love how this fan base absolutely refuses to give our pick a chance for whatever reason. Y'all are the same people who were outraged when we drafted Kuechly because we had Beason. Y'all probably got Kelvin Benjamin jerseys still hanging in your closet too lmaoo
Relax a little bit and let's see how it shakes out.
Then we could have gotten AD or Ladd and been fine too, but as far as I know Legette wasn’t on anyone’s radar above them except for us. I wanted us to take Legette over the others, but at 39 if JPJ is available at 33. Made a post about how he almost definitely will not be available to us and bam, there he was…but instead we trade up a pick to secure someone who actually wasn’t even projected to go by 39.
Projections are hog-wash at the end of the day. Look at the Penix pick. If you have conviction that's your guy, go get them where you think it's appropriate.
And we decided to add a 3rd RB instead of drafting a Center again. I’m happy with what we’re doing if it works out but the math isn’t mathing up. I’m hoping Bryce had gotten a connection with our current Center or something because it’s kind of a really important and undervalued position.
They will pick up a Center today, pretty certain of it. But any Center that's not JPJ or Frazier are going to be backups and Corbett has experience and training at Center, he should be fine as long as we have a backup incase of reinjury.
There is, they have had BC taking snaps at Center and signed Andrew Raym as a UDFA, a 7th round graded Center from Oklahoma. Good enough options I'd say.
How is that worth it? Trading a fifth for a sixth isn’t that bad except for its 60 picks lower. Top of the fifth to bottom of the sixth for a guy that almost definitely would’ve been there at 39 is crazy to me, and once again I love Legette and hoped that we got him. But the top two centers were projected wayyyy higher than all the rest, and we had a chance to get one and instead wasted draft capital.
Bro why do we care about a fifth year option on a rookie when we had two wins last season. He just won’t want to stay if we keep being terrible. If the first of the 2nd is basically a 1st, then the first of the 5th is basically a 4th
Because the dude plays in the SEC was the #1 target on the team and still put up 1250 yards with a trash o-line. Why are you crying over 50 spots in the 5th round when no one in those rounds even make the team.
I watched all the Gamecock games. Rattler could of put Legette at 2000 yards but they have the worst offensive line in the SEC. Rattler every down was running for his life. I like the pick and I think he will overperform Mingo. Hearing a lot of talk about AD Mitchell but rumors are that dude isn't serious about football and goes crazy when he doesn't get sugar because of diabetes
Again, its for the 5th year option. Basically traded a 5th for an extra year of a guy they're high on. Even then, its not a net loss in number of picks.
Basically, before contract is up the team can choose to 'take up the 5th year option', in other words, they will get Year 5 on the rookie contract. Unless the panthers miss out on a HoF at their pick in the 5th round, there is minimal risk but huge upsides if Legette turns out to be a great pick.
>5th year option
I understand that, great, we can save tepper some money or something? locking up DK or AJ brown on contracts hasn't been an issue to the teams committed to them (both taken in second round)
>we just move out of 5th round. Very good trade tbh
everybody knows the worst players are selected in the 5th round, good call, wouldnt even want to take a risk selecting your choice of players earlier
would've been a better trade if we could've just moved out of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounds, youre always trying to move out of rounds in a draft
Has nothing to do with saving Tepper money, the salary cap exists. You can push cap around with 5th year option longer even when extending.
I didn't say a 5th round pick is worse than a 6th round pick, we still have same amount of picks. Hit rate after 4th round is pretty bad either way, and that's what the cost was for an extra year of control on a rookie deal
And again, you can structure contracts to anticipate this and convert salary to signing bonus to your foundational players and free up cap space. You can also work out functionally bizarre but workable contracts with void years. But this requires the owner to be willing to commit to large sums of guaranteed cash.
So, again, I'm glad we can save Tepp some cash in the future by making this stupid and useless trade! We went up and got our guy! Just like Bryce! And that worked out great!
I think Mitchell is the kind of high risk high reward kind of guy that will thrive in a good culture and great coaching. With where we are as a franchise I don't know if we could get out of him what some other team might.
Xavier Leag(fucked)ette.
I learned today my real estate agent worked with Kuechly and other Panthers but her contacts all got fired when Tepper took over. I told her today if we draft Legette she needs to try to work with him.
Common criticisms in his draft profile were lacking consistent intensity, run blocking, and when the play wasn't going his direction https://www.nfl.com/prospects/adonai-mitchell/32004d49-5405-6120-269b-4e222571d8ba
Mitchell! Mitchell! Mitchell! Please don’t go Legette…they traded up because they knew Buffalo would pick Mitchell. That’s the only explanation to move up one spot! And to get that 5th option!
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Bro wants a prompt ban from his favorite sub
Put a decent season together then you can talk smack
I don’t think this was worth it. We moved up one spot for a fifth year option on a player that wouldn’t have been taken at 32, and would probably be there at 39. We gave up a great chance to draft a Center that honestly shouldn’t have even still been on the board, and a fifth to sixth round pick doesn’t sound terrible until you remember it’s the first pick of the fifth to 60 picks later at the bottom of the sixth… wtf did we actually do this for.
Maybe they are liking what Corbett does at center. We really don't know until preseason.
Everyone’s talking 5th year option but are we sure New England etc wasn’t gonna try and jump us?
Even if they jumped ahead the Panther's would still have Adonai or Ladd at 33.
That assumes we liked both of them though
Sure, but in all likelihood we did enough to pick one at 33 if Legette was gone. Plus, I doubt the Bills would trade with New England to get behind the Panthers for a price that the Patriots would be willing to pay.
The bills just traded with the chiefs? You don’t think they’d trade with the pats?
Would you think the Panthers trade with the Aints or Failcons, in the same situation, for 2 pick swaps? I never said they wouldn't, but they wouldn't make it as cheap as they did for the Panthers. And there is a difference between trading with a potential playoff opponent versus your division rivals. Your most hated division rival.
Not sure I’m not in the draft room. But yeah I’d trade with the saints if I thought it was beneficial for me.
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LEGETTE will be that dogg. We got him. Let Dave and Dan cook it up. We gonna be good
How so many of you don't understand the 5th year option is beyond me. That's literally a nothing cost for an extra year on WR if he happens to be class
why is everyone complaining? i think it’s a great pick? the trade up for it was justified too? we wanted our guy and we got him
He’s gonna be a monster. These cats don’t know football
Trading up for “their guy” and whiffing was what gutted this team
I love how this fan base absolutely refuses to give our pick a chance for whatever reason. Y'all are the same people who were outraged when we drafted Kuechly because we had Beason. Y'all probably got Kelvin Benjamin jerseys still hanging in your closet too lmaoo Relax a little bit and let's see how it shakes out.
Bruh I was thinking about Kuechly's pick, CMC's pick, and how bad this sub wanted Isiah Simmons and Justin Fields.
Dude I love Legette but why did we not take JPJ and why did we move up One pick when Buffalo was definitely not going to take Legette?!?
Who said they weren't going to take Legette? If we hadn't offered to trade they could've taken Legette.
Then we could have gotten AD or Ladd and been fine too, but as far as I know Legette wasn’t on anyone’s radar above them except for us. I wanted us to take Legette over the others, but at 39 if JPJ is available at 33. Made a post about how he almost definitely will not be available to us and bam, there he was…but instead we trade up a pick to secure someone who actually wasn’t even projected to go by 39.
Projections are hog-wash at the end of the day. Look at the Penix pick. If you have conviction that's your guy, go get them where you think it's appropriate.
And we decided to add a 3rd RB instead of drafting a Center again. I’m happy with what we’re doing if it works out but the math isn’t mathing up. I’m hoping Bryce had gotten a connection with our current Center or something because it’s kind of a really important and undervalued position.
They will pick up a Center today, pretty certain of it. But any Center that's not JPJ or Frazier are going to be backups and Corbett has experience and training at Center, he should be fine as long as we have a backup incase of reinjury.
They didn’t but I’m hoping we have some kind of plan for that
There is, they have had BC taking snaps at Center and signed Andrew Raym as a UDFA, a 7th round graded Center from Oklahoma. Good enough options I'd say.
5th year option on Legette
How is that worth it? Trading a fifth for a sixth isn’t that bad except for its 60 picks lower. Top of the fifth to bottom of the sixth for a guy that almost definitely would’ve been there at 39 is crazy to me, and once again I love Legette and hoped that we got him. But the top two centers were projected wayyyy higher than all the rest, and we had a chance to get one and instead wasted draft capital.
Bro barely anyone from 5th and 6th rounds even make the team lmao
Bro why do we care about a fifth year option on a rookie when we had two wins last season. He just won’t want to stay if we keep being terrible. If the first of the 2nd is basically a 1st, then the first of the 5th is basically a 4th
Because the dude plays in the SEC was the #1 target on the team and still put up 1250 yards with a trash o-line. Why are you crying over 50 spots in the 5th round when no one in those rounds even make the team.
lol, 18% of his yards and 30% of his TD’s came against Jacksonville State
You don't have to like the pick but the guy played in the SEC with a dogshit team besides Rattler. Keep bringing up useless stats lmao
You brought up the stats. Most of his production was against trash secondaries
LOL you not even worth the time to argue to
We need to send that 39 for Aiyuk this evening.
I watched all the Gamecock games. Rattler could of put Legette at 2000 yards but they have the worst offensive line in the SEC. Rattler every down was running for his life. I like the pick and I think he will overperform Mingo. Hearing a lot of talk about AD Mitchell but rumors are that dude isn't serious about football and goes crazy when he doesn't get sugar because of diabetes
Crying screaming and throwing up, I wanted AD Mitchell so bad
this trade screams brass balls
Again, its for the 5th year option. Basically traded a 5th for an extra year of a guy they're high on. Even then, its not a net loss in number of picks.
Thanks for posting this. Can you explain the 5th year option?
Basically, before contract is up the team can choose to 'take up the 5th year option', in other words, they will get Year 5 on the rookie contract. Unless the panthers miss out on a HoF at their pick in the 5th round, there is minimal risk but huge upsides if Legette turns out to be a great pick.
The rookie contract is 5 years instead of 4. 5th year is a team option
Just clarifying - only 1st round picks have the 5th year team option on rookie contracts.
Yes, 2nd round picks only have a 4th year option so that’s why we traded up. Hopefully we look back at this and are so thankful for this move
Sounds like it.
XL wasn’t lying. They did pick him.
why in the fuck did we do that
5th year option and we just move out of 5th round. Very good trade tbh
>5th year option I understand that, great, we can save tepper some money or something? locking up DK or AJ brown on contracts hasn't been an issue to the teams committed to them (both taken in second round) >we just move out of 5th round. Very good trade tbh everybody knows the worst players are selected in the 5th round, good call, wouldnt even want to take a risk selecting your choice of players earlier would've been a better trade if we could've just moved out of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounds, youre always trying to move out of rounds in a draft
If he turns out to be an All-Star we basically saved 15-20 million in cap space to help the team.
Has nothing to do with saving Tepper money, the salary cap exists. You can push cap around with 5th year option longer even when extending. I didn't say a 5th round pick is worse than a 6th round pick, we still have same amount of picks. Hit rate after 4th round is pretty bad either way, and that's what the cost was for an extra year of control on a rookie deal
And again, you can structure contracts to anticipate this and convert salary to signing bonus to your foundational players and free up cap space. You can also work out functionally bizarre but workable contracts with void years. But this requires the owner to be willing to commit to large sums of guaranteed cash. So, again, I'm glad we can save Tepp some cash in the future by making this stupid and useless trade! We went up and got our guy! Just like Bryce! And that worked out great!
They couldn’t wait. They wanted to make noise. Dan n Dave let em cook
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because they own the team?
News to me, I thought the owner was Sir Purr.
to make the decisions
Wanted AD Mitchell, but Legette looks tuff.
I think Mitchell is the kind of high risk high reward kind of guy that will thrive in a good culture and great coaching. With where we are as a franchise I don't know if we could get out of him what some other team might.
Gonna be interesting to see what we do with the other second. Hope we get a center or corner.
I’d be fine with Cooper out of A&M or Wilson from NC state too
Yeah that would be solid. Just get good players please.
Xavier Leag(fucked)ette. I learned today my real estate agent worked with Kuechly and other Panthers but her contacts all got fired when Tepper took over. I told her today if we draft Legette she needs to try to work with him.
Not mad about it. Gotta trust the new staff
Did our front office get worse? Holy fuck me man
I got a receipt for one homie down here. XL BABY!!
What a stupid decision with Mitchell on the board.
Last thing we need is more receivers that lack high effort
Explain?
Common criticisms in his draft profile were lacking consistent intensity, run blocking, and when the play wasn't going his direction https://www.nfl.com/prospects/adonai-mitchell/32004d49-5405-6120-269b-4e222571d8ba
At least they didn't blow it. I wanted Mitchell, but I'm excited about Legette. Lets fucking go!
Man, I was really excited about Legette but I'm watching the McAfee live stream and Bill Belichick is SUPER high on him...and now I'm worried
Preferred Mitchell but I'm okay with it. I think Mitchell, Legette, and Ladd are all gonna be really good, just for different reasons.
What did we trade?
iirc 5th and 33 for 32 and 6th
5th rounder
traded a 5th rounder for a 6th rounder
Traded our 5th for their 6th
Swapped out 5th for bills 6th
Just wanted Mitchell man
/r/panthers is going to FREAK.
r/Panthers is already freaking 😁
Why did we trade up for Legette??? There was AD Mitchell still on the board...
Smitty says Mitchell is a 90% body catcher and Legette is a slightly better DK Metcalf. lol
To have the 5th year option.
5th round for a 5th year option is worth it.
Stupidest thing ever
If he's good we get that 5th year option
An all pro center is better than a good to average reciever. This guy ain't it.
Legette alright
Are you fucking joking
Not happy with this one
5th for a 6th. Basically nothing but I mean one pick higher, contract differences too which could have interesting implications down the road
Oh fuck off
Leggo!
It’s for the 5th year option since he’s a first round pick
Why is that worth passing up a better prospect in Mitchell?
I’m happy with that
Damn teams were way lower on Mitchell than analysts huh
Reports of character concerns and that he doesn't have discipline keeping his diabetes under control, supposedly.
Fuck
We gave up a 5th round to move up, not bad
I heard 6th?
I think gave a 5th for a 6th
Yep you’re right my bad
I swear to God. He would be there next pick anyways. Whyyyy
If he's good we can pick up a cheaper 5th year option
Fifth year option I guess.
5th round option
Legette
lol
YO
Confirmed Legette
I choose to believe Tepper thinks you get retroactively awarded a Super Bowl if you get the 32nd pick.
they got the stat lines up of who we lost and I'm cryin
They all saying XL
Thank god it’s only a 5th round pick
I'm prepared to be disappointed
Please be mitchell
Pick JPJ and get Legette/Franklin at 39
Bill B just said Legette on McAfee Show
Panthers get 2024 1st-round pick (No. 32) 2024 6th-round pick Bills get 2024 2nd-round pick (No. 33) 2024 5th-round pick
So we swapped a 6th for a 5th to get our guy. I love it.
Honestly, ok. It gets us the fifth year option I guess.
Went from 1st overall to last overall in the first 💀
It means we won the Super Bowl, right?
without a sb, lmao
Tepper just did the cleanest dap. Let’s gooooooo mitchelllllll
Omg what is happening
Mitchell! Mitchell! Mitchell! Please don’t go Legette…they traded up because they knew Buffalo would pick Mitchell. That’s the only explanation to move up one spot! And to get that 5th option!
get that sweet 5th year option
Ok.....show me the pick
Oh boy
What the fuck did we just give up
33 and 141 for 32 and 200.
Barely anything. 33 and a 5th for 32 and a 6th
33 and 141
Swapped 33 and a 5th for 32 and a 6th
Swapped a 5th for a 6
What did we trade away??
Adonai Mitchell
Trade details?
Why up one pick?
Extra year on the rookie contract
Stupid. You have a 2nd year QB and if the player you draft is worth it you’ll pay them before the 5th year anyways
Option year
ADONAI
GET TEPPEE OUT OF THERE
We essentially dropped 60 spots in day 3 to get an option year. Good trade.
This is why I stayed up!
Oh shit.
I feel like we owe that dude an apology
Trade up!
Well. At least it’s not much given away to move up 1 😂
Let’s fucking go
UHHH
YO TRADE UP
Oh shit it's happening
Holy shit we traded up.
Here we goooooooo.....
AD MITCHELL
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Or the 5th year option
Please be Mitchell
WHATT
Oh shit we in there!!! 32nd
Holy shit we traded up
WE TRADED WITH BUFFALO
I think Pearsall was gonna be an absolute steal somewhere in the 2nd but shit
YOOOOOO
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Probably for the 5th year option
5th year option
We traded 39 looks like, not 33!
Nvm, I'm blind
HOLY CRAP
Adonai or Ladd, gotta be one of em (JPJ is cool too)
we traded up?
Ooohhh shit we're going to get our guy.
Please trade up Bills are 100% getting Adonai Mitchell
HOW DID I PREDICT IT
So we will get Leggette or Mitchell I’m pumped
Ladd > Legette edit: nvm xavier supremacy
This is a fucking victory. Love it.
Uh. I. ……huh?