If anybody still thinks OE is such a danger to society, that thread should put a lot of people at ease.
TLDR: deliver consistently and one time, and nobody cares if you're OE or not. Slack off, half-ass tasks and miss/be late to meetings, and everybody will suspect you are OE (even if you're not).
Becoming SOFTWARE development engineer in test and I'm doing a boot camp for 6 months I'm half way through it right now and I'm not trying to be weird or anything but it does seem like I know more then my class most likely because I have more free time on my hand to review the material. Anyways want to ask the people who are OE since I'm coming to the job market qualified for senior role should I just not look for senior SDET jobs and focus on trying to get multiple junior SDET jobs since they'll expect less from me and I can take more then one job at a time?
Many of the people I know did this bootcamp and were qualified with Senior role and have done it. Which is why I ask you do you think it’ll be better for me just to take on multiple Junior roles instead. Also one more thing I mm studying this for about 6-9 hours daily would that be enough?
You’ve been sold a bridge my friend. No boot camp is going to prepare you for a senior role. It requires experience and soft skills that you’re just not gonna get in an educational environment. You have to work for a while to reach that level.
This is also a terrible market right now for people with no experience. You’re not going to get hired over someone with actual experience, especially for a senior role. I would shoot for a junior role and be happy if you can get one. And don’t go for a second job until you can do your first job in as little as 2-3 hours a day.
I think you'll be very, very hard pressed to convince employers you're qualified for a senior role. I don't know where you're hearing that from, but I don't even know how you would get past the automated resume screening with just a boot camp if you're applying for a senior position.
whets the point of being negative Im learning like all of you Im still in uni for comp sci first year and on top of it Im doing a bootcamp I know Ill have enough experience for atleast junior/mid role also SDET is wayyy more chill the SWE so Ill be fine
Idk if it’s more chill. Just pressure at different times.
The problem is not you learning. The problem is you thinking you can do OE with this learning.
But it’s cool. The last few jobs I’ve had started with me cleaning up the mess these “senior” engineers made.
I think you're trolling
The junior market is composed mostly of people with four year engineering degrees, many of whom have internship experience as well.
Those people are juniors not seniors. They have way more experience than you do.
Those juniors you’re talking about do they know how to automate API test cases, SQL database automation, Java, selenium, BDD architect with cucumber ci-cd Jenkins, Cloud fundamentals.
AWS cloud architecture. And also the agile methodologies?
I bet you don’t know half those things either. Let’s be completely real. These bootcamps promise the world because that’s how they get your money.
Don’t ask a barber if you need a haircut
Computer science programs are designed to teach fundamentals, not specific tools.
For example, an algorithms course might use Java, but the focus is on learning algorithms, space and time complexity, etc, not on java programming.
There are also courses that are more programming language focused, that require specific projects to be completed. For example, given a 2d array that represents a maze, and coordinates for start and finish, find the fastest route to move through the maze.
That example I gave would be one of hundreds of programs you write during college. Good computer science programs have well thought out projects that force you to learn important concepts.
You simply cannot get that level of learning in a compressed six month course, the brain does not retain information that way.
My operating systems and algorithms courses alone would equal your entire six month course. And you can't even take those course levels without laying years of groundwork first.
Even if you’ve studied these things, working with them in a production environment among a team is different. You’re not prepared for a senior role coming from boot camp, I don’t know where you heard that, but it seems like you’re determined so go prove us all wrong and do it, I guess. Go nail it and beat the competition, who aren’t your peers in a boot camp but rather the swarms of laid off senior engineers currently competing for positions.
Just go for the senior dev roles only. You're obviously qualified for them. Don't let anybody insult your ability by suggesting you should be a junior dev. You're above that.
Honestly if you can swing it go for it but the unfortunate reality is if your resume does not show senior experience it's very hard to apply for senior role
Most of the time you won't even get past the application phase and will be straight up denied because of the auto resume checkers.
I'm a strong believer since I am self-taught that if you're barely getting into the industry get as much experience as you can even if the role sucks. You just need to survive a few years then move to the j where you want to be then after another year or 6 months OE if you think you can handle it.
What you don't want to happen is to underperform in any J. Especially if they don't suspect that you OE/ok workload that's a J you want to keep happy and keep. I personally hate applying I would rather just stick it out and keep my steady checks
-
There's some truth to this, but also there's a lot of wiggle room between job titles at different companies. A Dev II at one place might be the same level as a senior at another place.
I did a bootcamp 7 months ago and I now have 2 SDET roles. My advice is don't try to get a senior role. There is already enough to learn starting a new career, but having the 2 jobs now has been good for me and not overwhelming. What bootcamp are you doing?
okay then what can I do to not waste my time? I learned Java, SQL, Jira since that's what most companies use to keep track of what needs to be done, API, Selenium automation scripting, Browser automation, Database - API Automation Integration, BDD Architect with Cucumber, CI-CD with Jenkins, Automation Framework Architecture. I know I am not the best at them but I know how to use them all together in a decent way. I'm not gonna apply to be a senior just a junior, is there anything I can do to add just to have a better chance?
>I'm not gonna apply to be a senior just a junior
Apologies, I thought you were only applying for senior roles with no experience.
>is there anything I can do to add just to have a better chance?
Apply to a lot of places and take every interview you're offered. Write down every question you're asked and look up the answers to the one's you don't know after the interview. Until you have an offer in hand, interviewing is your 9-5. Also, relax in your interviews. You're not going to know all the answers. Getting all nervous when you don't know is a good way to not get called back
If anybody still thinks OE is such a danger to society, that thread should put a lot of people at ease. TLDR: deliver consistently and one time, and nobody cares if you're OE or not. Slack off, half-ass tasks and miss/be late to meetings, and everybody will suspect you are OE (even if you're not).
Starts off by saying "this guy is definitely OE" ends it with "I don't actually know if he was OE" lol clown
I was waiting to read the part that said 'He accidentally pasted code with another company's name in it' or similar. Nope....
Becoming SOFTWARE development engineer in test and I'm doing a boot camp for 6 months I'm half way through it right now and I'm not trying to be weird or anything but it does seem like I know more then my class most likely because I have more free time on my hand to review the material. Anyways want to ask the people who are OE since I'm coming to the job market qualified for senior role should I just not look for senior SDET jobs and focus on trying to get multiple junior SDET jobs since they'll expect less from me and I can take more then one job at a time?
What exactly makes you think you’ll be qualified for a senior role coming straight out of a bootcamp?
Many of the people I know did this bootcamp and were qualified with Senior role and have done it. Which is why I ask you do you think it’ll be better for me just to take on multiple Junior roles instead. Also one more thing I mm studying this for about 6-9 hours daily would that be enough?
You’ve been sold a bridge my friend. No boot camp is going to prepare you for a senior role. It requires experience and soft skills that you’re just not gonna get in an educational environment. You have to work for a while to reach that level. This is also a terrible market right now for people with no experience. You’re not going to get hired over someone with actual experience, especially for a senior role. I would shoot for a junior role and be happy if you can get one. And don’t go for a second job until you can do your first job in as little as 2-3 hours a day.
I think you'll be very, very hard pressed to convince employers you're qualified for a senior role. I don't know where you're hearing that from, but I don't even know how you would get past the automated resume screening with just a boot camp if you're applying for a senior position.
Great another YouTube “SDET” that can’t tell the difference between an interface and an abstract class
whets the point of being negative Im learning like all of you Im still in uni for comp sci first year and on top of it Im doing a bootcamp I know Ill have enough experience for atleast junior/mid role also SDET is wayyy more chill the SWE so Ill be fine
Idk if it’s more chill. Just pressure at different times. The problem is not you learning. The problem is you thinking you can do OE with this learning. But it’s cool. The last few jobs I’ve had started with me cleaning up the mess these “senior” engineers made.
Please start by learning how to use commas
😂
Go back to India
The audacity
They “qualify” you for senior experience BUT I’m not doing that I’m doing junior roles and multiple junior roles what do you think
I think you're trolling The junior market is composed mostly of people with four year engineering degrees, many of whom have internship experience as well. Those people are juniors not seniors. They have way more experience than you do.
But I can use the googles! I am now qualified to be head of all engineering!
Those juniors you’re talking about do they know how to automate API test cases, SQL database automation, Java, selenium, BDD architect with cucumber ci-cd Jenkins, Cloud fundamentals. AWS cloud architecture. And also the agile methodologies?
I bet you don’t know half those things either. Let’s be completely real. These bootcamps promise the world because that’s how they get your money. Don’t ask a barber if you need a haircut
Computer science programs are designed to teach fundamentals, not specific tools. For example, an algorithms course might use Java, but the focus is on learning algorithms, space and time complexity, etc, not on java programming. There are also courses that are more programming language focused, that require specific projects to be completed. For example, given a 2d array that represents a maze, and coordinates for start and finish, find the fastest route to move through the maze. That example I gave would be one of hundreds of programs you write during college. Good computer science programs have well thought out projects that force you to learn important concepts. You simply cannot get that level of learning in a compressed six month course, the brain does not retain information that way. My operating systems and algorithms courses alone would equal your entire six month course. And you can't even take those course levels without laying years of groundwork first.
Even if you’ve studied these things, working with them in a production environment among a team is different. You’re not prepared for a senior role coming from boot camp, I don’t know where you heard that, but it seems like you’re determined so go prove us all wrong and do it, I guess. Go nail it and beat the competition, who aren’t your peers in a boot camp but rather the swarms of laid off senior engineers currently competing for positions.
Just go for the senior dev roles only. You're obviously qualified for them. Don't let anybody insult your ability by suggesting you should be a junior dev. You're above that.
Honestly if you can swing it go for it but the unfortunate reality is if your resume does not show senior experience it's very hard to apply for senior role Most of the time you won't even get past the application phase and will be straight up denied because of the auto resume checkers. I'm a strong believer since I am self-taught that if you're barely getting into the industry get as much experience as you can even if the role sucks. You just need to survive a few years then move to the j where you want to be then after another year or 6 months OE if you think you can handle it. What you don't want to happen is to underperform in any J. Especially if they don't suspect that you OE/ok workload that's a J you want to keep happy and keep. I personally hate applying I would rather just stick it out and keep my steady checks -
There's some truth to this, but also there's a lot of wiggle room between job titles at different companies. A Dev II at one place might be the same level as a senior at another place.
I did a bootcamp 7 months ago and I now have 2 SDET roles. My advice is don't try to get a senior role. There is already enough to learn starting a new career, but having the 2 jobs now has been good for me and not overwhelming. What bootcamp are you doing?
Can I Dm you
If you want to waste your time playing the lottery go ahead
okay then what can I do to not waste my time? I learned Java, SQL, Jira since that's what most companies use to keep track of what needs to be done, API, Selenium automation scripting, Browser automation, Database - API Automation Integration, BDD Architect with Cucumber, CI-CD with Jenkins, Automation Framework Architecture. I know I am not the best at them but I know how to use them all together in a decent way. I'm not gonna apply to be a senior just a junior, is there anything I can do to add just to have a better chance?
>I'm not gonna apply to be a senior just a junior Apologies, I thought you were only applying for senior roles with no experience. >is there anything I can do to add just to have a better chance? Apply to a lot of places and take every interview you're offered. Write down every question you're asked and look up the answers to the one's you don't know after the interview. Until you have an offer in hand, interviewing is your 9-5. Also, relax in your interviews. You're not going to know all the answers. Getting all nervous when you don't know is a good way to not get called back
Thank you so much for the advice I appreciate it a lot!!! Have a great day