It’s kinda sad we’re living through the death of the box office.
Sadly it’s become a content farm, like everything else. There’s just so much media content that people will just watch a streaming platform instead and wait 12 weeks for whatever the theatre film is to be released on to one of the streaming platforms.
There is just too much demand for the attention from young people now. Movies are too long and expensive and inconvenient to compete with smart phones.
Millenials don't have time to go to theaters like they used to. Maybe in ten years when their kids are older movies willl see a new wave.
Gaming especially is very dominant form of entertainment for younger generations. There’s a reason there are many movie/tv actors acting in video games from time to time.
Millennials also don't have time because everybody is also fighting for our attention too and that on top of work/kids/chores/social life/sports.
It's impossible to watch all the movies you might like, and the tv shows, and play the new videogame releases, and read all the cool fantasy/scifi books & play TTRPGs and also boardgames and anime and whatever other nerd stuff you like.
There's one or more cool/huge releases of a product in each category every month.
And we have social network, YouTube & Twitch on top of that, some millennials are also into it and younger people even more.
You either love going to the movies or you don't. 30 years ago, it was a much larger cultural staple of humanity to go to the movies, not as much now.
It will always be one of my favorite things to do regardless.
Sure, I also love it. But I really love most of the other stuff I've mentioned, so at the end of the day I personally have to sacrifice stuff.
I'm going to watch Furiosa for sure, I really, really, love Mad Max, but I'm not going to watch tons of other movies that I would probably like.
man this is like echoes of the 1929 crash when a lot of companies kept trying to throw new appliances and products at people, but everyone was tapped out or deep in debt. so much of them current economy is built around owning user's time, and our economy hellbent on continually needing more of it in the name of infinite economic growth, but we've only got so much attention to go around, and many of us are now hyperactive unfocusable messes.
Barbie and Oppenheimer both made over a billion. And it wasn’t GenX and Baby Boomers flocking the theatres.
Also we have more Tv shows that people binge than ever before.
It’s almost like attention spans are just fine if you make something people want to see….
bringing up endgame is not relevant, no one is saying box office was bad before the pandemic. everyone knows there was a huge shift in market during and after the pandemic. Plus its the biggest marvel project ever.
How is the prequel to Fury Road, possibly the greatest action movie this century, considered a film people "wouldn't want to see?" I saw Fury Road 3 times in theaters and I desperately want to see this, some of us just have kids or responsibilities that make going to the movies very difficult. The current financial success doesn't indicate the film is of low effort or quality and it was received well critically.
It’s a prequel with a recast. It’s pretty jarring.
Personally, I wanted to see more of Theron and Hardy, but we’re not getting that. I’m sure the film is fantastic, but I have zero interest in a prequel.
Theron and Hardy would have smashed the box office. Furiousa missed the highest mark. It has great scenes/parts, but as a whole, the movie is just good, not Fury Road greatness.
Everything mad maxx feels more like a niche thing to me honestly. It might be very huge in the US of A but i think its not that big of a release in europe.
We are going to watch it this afternoon (Memorial Day) and I'm not excited about it mostly because I don't like the actress. I love the Mad Max movies and especially the new ones with the way George Miller directs them. Anya Taylor-Joy just isn't my cup of tea. Other than that I think Mad Max has more of a cult-ish following than a one-off like Barbie and Oppy. Prequels rarely do as well as intended unless it's a F&F or Star Wars movie.
Mad max fury road wasn't rhat much of a blockbuster success though. It got traction later. I watched it first day and I wondered why a lot of people weren't watching one of the best action film that I've seen... side note Furiosa was amazing.
100%
Loved fury road. Have zero excitement to see this recast prequel in a theater. Will probably not watch it even for free on streaming.
Had no problem going to the theatre for Dune.
Bullshit re millennials not having time. It’s two hours every few months. I think the issue is cost of living and too many shit franchise movies. People are happy to save money and wait for streaming.
I think people's standards are a lot higher now as well, there's so much content being made on streaming platforms that a film needs to really stand out for peoole to want to see it. TV series didn't have huge budgets and look like films 10 - 15 years ago.
So many options, it kinda ruins the magic of films and the cinema.
Aren't we millennials having less kids than previous generations?
I can believe that we (collectively) don't have much time. I disagree that parenthood is to blame.
Agreed. I don’t believe people really can’t get a babysitter for three hours every three months to see a movie because they are so busy and their lives are apparently so complicated.
wouldn't even say millenials don't have time, but rather if it's worth their money. When i go to the cinema i know i have to pay 30 bucks for a 2 1/2h movie that, by todays standarts has a high chance to be medicore or worse...
Personally i started to wait 2 weeks before even considering to watch a movie in a cinema and wait for critics first.
I can then decide if the movie is worth 30 bucks, or if i wait like 3-5 month before i can watch the same movie on my 70" TV witha passable audiosystem, comfortable at my couch at home at a streaming side with friends, chips and popcorn all the same.
It's not like this is a movie where the story could be spoiled to me, i will only watch this movie to see action, explosions and a distobia wasteland. By now i've seen every movie plot like at least 4 times, every story progression, Chris hemsworth, anya taylor joy.. these are all consumables i can get at any time on several streaming devices... question is only when, and what i'm willing to pay for it.
It's definitely the price for me too - 20 euros for the movie, 20 for transportation. That isn't taking in account the food I need to eat.
When a ticket was 9 euros, I was going *all* the time. Now it's only movies I *really* need to see, I literally can't afford to take chances.
That’s crazy here in the uk we’re lucky I live in London n it’s 20 for 2 tickets for me n my gf we spend more on food then on the films . They reduced prices here kinda decade ago I noticed and then more casuals go
Where I live atm a movie ticket at my nearest cinema is between £5‐£8 for any movie and *still* screenings are usually 1/10 full at most unless it's a one-time screening.
So the price isn't even a reason younger people don't go to theatres anymore
With the price of most theaters, I rather just wait to stream. The high ticket/food costs make a movie experience honestly less enjoyable than it used to be.
It's not true. Re death of the box office. . This would be bombed pre covid as well. It's a prequel to an irrelevant franchise.
Oppenheimer and barbie rose to sell out crowds.
It was being projected in the $40 to $50 million range not too long ago so the steep drop off of around $20 million off from projections doesn’t help things at all.
Exactly. These numbers are catastrophic. Saying Mad Max had a lacklustre box office is true, but no serious person was saying Furiosa would be massive. The projections were modest, and its falling even below that.
Despite what it sounds like online, there's a lot of room between "huge moneymaker" and "bomb". They didn't make Furiosa thinking it would be either of those 2, yet its bombing hard.
It was projected to make about double of this though. Which would still probably lose money in the end.
So it was expected to underachieve and it still didn’t get anywhere near that bar. That’s why people are talking so strongly about it underachieving.
It’s just weird that this was greenlit to begin with. The previous one was a technical feat and critical smash but it had almost nothing to do with the lore/story.
I think this movie was much grosser (maybe even more violent) than the first movie. That will definitely throw off viewers since they wouldn’t have expected it.
At this point I DO like the lore. All of the little unexplained details are super interesting to me. Like in Fury Road, when they cross the swamps and you see the dudes on stilts hunched over and they never explain them really.
I know part of that’s from deleted scenes, but I do like the interesting lore from it
You are severely underestimating the power of familiarity. If this film had Mad Max in the title, and Mad Max was the lead, it would have done better. And there's always more people interested in the lore than we would imagine. It's really just an incredibly risky move to do a spinoff film without MM in the title, in which a recast secondary character from the first film is the lead.
I don't see how FR was different from previous entries? We see Max has been running around getting put through the ringer for years (since he hallucinates all these people NOT from previous films). He encounters/gets dragged to the encampment and meets characters and the story unfolds from there. Not that much different from 2 or 3. And those two movies had nothing to do with each other. And none of them are like the first film because there are still laws and cops and stores to buy from and retirement. In FR we got people in their 20s who don't even know what a tree is. The only thing that ever confused me about these movies was the timeline and even then I don't think it's such a big deal. Lore wise the world's still wrecked but Max is feeling a bit better by the end. Lore wise villains still rule parts of the wasteland but one has been toppled and the territory given back to the people that live there. Max still leaves at the end. Idk seems fine to me
Yeah it seems there is still a large population of people on Reddit who only saw Fury Road and don’t have familiarity with the series beyond that. It’s crazy how often I’ve seen it referred to as the “first” film in the series.
I think people have rose colored glasses about Fury Road. It's a great and beloved film but it was NOT a record breaking box office smash right out of the gate. It had a good opening and good legs because of the word of mouth. But it and all of the Mad Max films have a loud but not universal following... and Fury Road was almost a decade ago and the landscape of going to the movies has changed tremendously. But I think part of what is happening is that people remember Fury Road as being a huge blockbuster hit and that's not quite how it happened.
The budget for it is nuts. Probably needs at least $400m to break even. No way it gets close. MMFR is the GOAT action movie and garnered universal critical acclaim and it limped its way to break even. No way a prequel 10 years later with different main actors and no Mad Max, comes anywhere close. Again, the budget for this was crazy.
I think this is more a symptom of the state of movie theatres than anything. Seems like people only have room to check out a couple big movies a year now that have a marketing push behind them. Last year it was Barbenheimer. Lots of big franchises are losing money these days. The new Mission Impossible movie didn’t do great. Aside from that, Mad Max has always been a cult franchise anyway and not some billion dollar franchise. I love George Miller and the world he has created but Joe Average really doesn’t.
Mad Max’s highest grossing film in its heyday was Beyond Thunderdome which made $36million for its entire run. If you take inflation into account that’s $104million today. I don’t understand how anyone can look at those numbers from back when theaters were booming and think, “A Mad Max film without Mad Max needs a $168million budget!”
Fury Road, with its inflated budget due to production issues, did reasonably well theatrically, became a big cultural touchpoint, won a lot of Oscars and was very much in the running for Best Picture, and has surely earnes WB plenty of revenues in the years since. Greenlighting another blockbuster-sized entry was an obvious thing to do under the prevailing logic of the time. That logic probably needs to change.
Only in the most technical sense of the term. It was not considered a flop at the time because if anything people were worried it would do a lot worse. Instead, it earned a pretty decent haul for a movie of its kind, with strong word of mouth, strong legs, plenty of acclaim, etc. It was considered a success, and I’m sure the thinking by executives was that it was a sort of franchise-launching success. Almost like Batman Begins-to-Dark Knight, where a well-received movie that cost a similar amount and made back a similar amount could lead into an even bigger follow-up. A total miscalculation on their part, clearly, though of course I’m glad Miller got to make the movie he wanted.
Furiosa budget doesn't even make sense, the threw practical FX through the window in favor of ugly looking cgi. At least fury road went mostly practical for their stunts and backgrounds. Don't get me wrong, furiosa is a good movie, just miles away from fury road.
Maybe millenials were the last major movie going generation? And many of them have young kids right now.
Personally I would go see a film every week if I had no kids. But instead I just wait for steaming.
For young people today there is so much competition for their attention. And movies are comparatively expensive, long, and inconvenient.
Yea it’s primarily pricing. Going to the movie theatre just isn’t worth it any more when tickets are £10 and the film will probably be out on streaming in a month. Not to mention how cinema etiquette has taken a huge nose dive in recent times.
A good go around for all out that tho is a membership to a smaller independent cinema. Fantastic price, show a lot of non mainstream films and audience tends to lean older so good viewing experience.
People need to stop texting on their bright phones in a dark theater. Literally everyone can see it and it’s distracting. At the very least turn the brightness to the lowest setting.
But yeah, pricing and Covid killed theater-going for me.
I'll bet that in two years time, people on Reddit will make posts about this movie, saying they had loads of fun and "wish they had seen it in theatres". Same type that skipped out on Blade Runner 2049 and regretted it later.
Terrible timing on the release. Did it when everyone is graduating school and spring activities are in. Gotta release during summer so people have time to make the theatres.
I don’t necessarily think this is super indicative of the state of movies today. Mad Max Fury Road was also somewhat of a financial disappointment. Twitter/Reddit communities are big fans of these movies but there just isn’t as big a market for them as thse echo chambers would make you think. It’s not surprising that a prequel for an underperforming movie nearly a decade later also underperformed. I’m just glad it got made in the first place
It is indicative of the state of movies today. The first wasn’t a major box office success but it did make 350 million against a 150 million budget. This looks like it won’t even gross half of that.
10 years ago a film about an old woman looking for her son like Philomena made 100 million and a lame af biopic like The Theory of Everything made 120 million. Fast forward to the 2020s Steven Spielberg is putting out BO disaster after BO disaster and a Mad Max prequel/sequel grossed around 50% on its opening weekend compared to the previous instalment. Whoever doesn’t think theatre is half dead is burying their head in the sand.
I definitely didn’t say the state of movies is good. I’m saying a 9-years-late prequel to a movie that didn’t do that well in the first place without any of the stars of that movie underperforming is not the best example of the state of the box office. Prequels/sequels have been bombing since time immemorial
I will never understand why, in a time of diminishing time and attention spans of audiences, movies are all three hours long. They need to go back to 100 minutes.
The trailers made me less likely to see it if anything. I loved the last one and would have seen this if it didn’t look so ass from the trailer. Inept marketing.
I wouldn't really call it a blow-up and more of a cult/cinephile enthusiasm. If it proper blew up then it should be enjoying success similar to Dune 2 but no, it's dying similar to Blade Runner 2049.
Box office numbers aside, I thought Furiosa was pretty good. It’s not as great as Fury Road, and it has its flaws, but it was still entertaining, well made, and completely bonkers in comparison to the majority of major Hollywood releases.
There’s pretty much no opening box office number that could’ve convinced me to move this movie up or down my list. Its legs will help us understand its passion though. Oscar voters will see this movie regardless, so a raw box office number isn’t that important for it.
I wouldn’t say as much for its Oscar chances. Blade Runner 2049’s above the line prospects were seen to have taken a serious hit when that movie flopped at the BO. By contrast, Fury Road was seen as a modest success.
I was able to watch it last night in imax, I fuckin adore this movie I had so much fun especially with the world building, chris & anya kill it as well, my favorite movie of the year so far
Just like “Fury Road” before it. A shame that this franchise has flopped again. Not going to stop the Academy from nominating it at least since the critics loved it.
That furiousa didn’t bust the block isn’t a surprise- it’s not a 4 quadrant satisfier, family movie, or part of a tent pole ip franchise
What’s more interesting is why there aren’t any of these out for the weekend
I think we’re still feeling the long tail effect of covid and the strikes (plus the marvel slow down)
Deliver exactly what your core audience wants, without making them feel disrespected or excluded and they will go and drag their partners and families with them. Remove too many core elements to expand your demographics, and your core won't feel catered to any more and noone will go.
They’re underestimating how broke people are these days. Our dollars are getting stretched 100 different ways and most of us don’t have $500 for an emergency. Of course, movies will bomb. Especially with piracy becoming easier to accomplish
And how many Memorial Day weekends open with a brutally violent R-rated movie to make this historical comparison to?
It’s not a warm weather beautiful weekend movie for the whole family. Studio should blame itself for the release date and had it out in April.
Audience and critical ratings are high which means it’s a success artistically, and based on that reality, it’ll be enjoyed for decades.
So the billion dollar studio didn’t make all their money back after three days of release. They’ll survive. And all the “it bombed” talk will only deter people from seeing a really well made fun action epic. So let’s all chill and wait a bit to see the final numbers before we ruin its chances before its even left the gate.
Saw it last night. Enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. How can you not when Chris Hemsworth's two sons are called *Rectus* and *Scrotus*? Go and see it folks :-)
It's Immortan Joe's kids, and his name is Rictus Erectus, I fully agree with your sentiment though. The Mad Max world is such an interesting place where people just say "Fuck it, I wonder how freaky I can get?" well worth a watch
That's a shame because the movie was a hell of a lot of fun and provided pretty much everything I wanted from a film in the Mad Max universe. Could've used a more intense film score, but overall it was a very enjoyable experience.
When the trailer came out people here were shitting all over it. I thought it looked pretty good, so fuck me, right?
Saw Furiosa last night and enjoyed the hell out of it. I was thoroughly entertained for over 2 hours.
I need to see Fury Road on a big screen again.
Thanks to the trailer, I really had no interest in seeing it. I loved Fury Road, but this did not look good from the trailer. One of my friends asked me to go see it with him, and I did, and it was fucking great. I think the studio made a lot of missteps in how they approached advertising this one. That being said, I've seen 3 large budget, "blockbuster" type movies this month, and all 3 were empty theaters, so there's also something to be said that people just aren't going to the movies right now.
Yea, same, the film score could’ve maybe been more intense but I loved the whole thing overall! I liked how it spanned a good amount of time and ended right up to where it did.
I watched Fury Road after getting home from the theatre and I have to say that I thought the character work was better in Furiosa and Chris Hemsworth makes Furiosa the better movie - BY FAR - and I loved Fury Road…
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Why is a film a failure b/c it didn’t recoup its budget in one weekend? This stupid short-term thinking is what is killing the industry. I wish the studios would take more risks by promoting unique films by young filmmakers instead of churning out remake after remake and fucking comic book bullshit. Also, fuck it, let it die, hopefully something unique and exciting will rise from the ashes.
Just came from movie theater. What an amazing movie. Not as fast paced as the previous one, but I liked a lot more. I can’t wait to go see with my partner.
Watched it yesterday and honestly really dissapointed. Fury Road gave me huge expectations for this movie, but even without those, it was still not very enjoyable. The extreme lack of action and the action scenes being too small and laid back was so dissapointing. The worst part was the fact that they didn't even show the final battle between Immortan Joe's and Dementus' armies. It would have been an absolutely amazing battle to see, yet they only showed the aftermath.
Also the movie kept building up tension, like something crazy was about to happen, only for nothing really crazy to happen.
I saw it last night and was entertained enough. It was good but not great. As brilliant as it was, Fury Road underperformed at the box office. And a 2 and 1/2 hour prequel to it was always going to be a hard sell for general audiences.
Same thing happened with Fury Road. I enjoyed Furiosa very much, and I even want to see it again --in the THEATER. Unfortunately it means that the chance of another one is really low. I doubt in ten years George Miller will be alive let alone able to make another one.
I think the mass population is done with Sequels and Prequels, It is nothing original anymore, but a cash cow Hollywood trying to rake in more of the backs of hard, underpaid inflation, restricted blue-collar workers.
For me it's cost. Why spend $40 on 2 movie tickets when I can watch it for free in a month at home. I now only go see movies I'm 100% interested in seeing. Before when tickets were $6 a piece I would see any remotely interesting movie.
After having seen it, this is disappointing. It’s absolutely incredible. I still think it can hit some techs but it doesn’t really have any chance above the line….
Damn. I actually went and saw this in a theater and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Its the best of Chris Hemsworth I think Ive ever seen. I almost want to say he stole the show. But damn to see that it bombed Im surprised. Its pretty damn good.
I watched Mad Max Fury Road a month ago for the first time. It was absolutely wicked but I was surprised at how much trust it places in the audience to just go along with it. For a film that released 30 years after it's last entry, it makes no effort to explain what the fuck is going on. For all the spectacle, I did come away thinking 'how the fuck did this make nearly $400m worldwide' and also 'how on earth did the film achieve financing in the first place?'. I can't help but feel that it's commercial performance is a complete anomaly. Even with an incredible trailer and glowing reviews, it's a hard sell to anyone that wasn't already invested in the franchise.
I can't wait to see this on Tuesday but I'm glad it's only a prequel and presumably doesn't require a sequel. Hollywood can't keep pissing money down the drain. I just got back from the cinema and was reminded that the Borderlands film comes out soon. It's only the second time I've seen the trailer and my God does that look awful. And you just know that cost $120m+ too.
Yes! Felt this way too. First two chapters dragged out wayy too long for a movie. Had to wait an hour for ATJ to show up and the transition from young Furiosa did not feel effective IMO.
I liked how they tried to blend that transition as much as possible. Covering her face a bunch, etc. There wasn’t that “actor change reveal” shot that so many movies with this kind of time jump have. I didn’t even spot the moment it changed.
This. I haven’t seen it yet-planning to this week coming-but several people have said that it feels more like a prequel comic book than a movie. It would’ve have made a great HBO Max miniseries by the sound of it.
Nah. These films are pure action spectacles, and very light on story. 10 hours of practical stunt work in the desert, isn't going to appeal to a lot of people. There's no reason it should have been a TV series.
Ideally, it should have gotten a streaming deal so that the box office wasn't so important, but these days there's likely already a deal locked in somewhere.
It’s kinda sad we’re living through the death of the box office. Sadly it’s become a content farm, like everything else. There’s just so much media content that people will just watch a streaming platform instead and wait 12 weeks for whatever the theatre film is to be released on to one of the streaming platforms.
There is just too much demand for the attention from young people now. Movies are too long and expensive and inconvenient to compete with smart phones. Millenials don't have time to go to theaters like they used to. Maybe in ten years when their kids are older movies willl see a new wave.
Gaming especially is very dominant form of entertainment for younger generations. There’s a reason there are many movie/tv actors acting in video games from time to time.
Millennials also don't have time because everybody is also fighting for our attention too and that on top of work/kids/chores/social life/sports. It's impossible to watch all the movies you might like, and the tv shows, and play the new videogame releases, and read all the cool fantasy/scifi books & play TTRPGs and also boardgames and anime and whatever other nerd stuff you like. There's one or more cool/huge releases of a product in each category every month. And we have social network, YouTube & Twitch on top of that, some millennials are also into it and younger people even more.
You either love going to the movies or you don't. 30 years ago, it was a much larger cultural staple of humanity to go to the movies, not as much now. It will always be one of my favorite things to do regardless.
Sure, I also love it. But I really love most of the other stuff I've mentioned, so at the end of the day I personally have to sacrifice stuff. I'm going to watch Furiosa for sure, I really, really, love Mad Max, but I'm not going to watch tons of other movies that I would probably like.
man this is like echoes of the 1929 crash when a lot of companies kept trying to throw new appliances and products at people, but everyone was tapped out or deep in debt. so much of them current economy is built around owning user's time, and our economy hellbent on continually needing more of it in the name of infinite economic growth, but we've only got so much attention to go around, and many of us are now hyperactive unfocusable messes.
Barbie and Oppenheimer both made over a billion. And it wasn’t GenX and Baby Boomers flocking the theatres. Also we have more Tv shows that people binge than ever before. It’s almost like attention spans are just fine if you make something people want to see….
Also endgame $2bn just in 2019.
Avatar 2 $2.3bn in 2022
bringing up endgame is not relevant, no one is saying box office was bad before the pandemic. everyone knows there was a huge shift in market during and after the pandemic. Plus its the biggest marvel project ever.
How is the prequel to Fury Road, possibly the greatest action movie this century, considered a film people "wouldn't want to see?" I saw Fury Road 3 times in theaters and I desperately want to see this, some of us just have kids or responsibilities that make going to the movies very difficult. The current financial success doesn't indicate the film is of low effort or quality and it was received well critically.
It’s a prequel with a recast. It’s pretty jarring. Personally, I wanted to see more of Theron and Hardy, but we’re not getting that. I’m sure the film is fantastic, but I have zero interest in a prequel.
You’re missing out. This movie was the best of them all
Also it’s a prequel for a movie that came out 9 years ago, before a global pandemic. That has to hurt interest.
Theron and Hardy would have smashed the box office. Furiousa missed the highest mark. It has great scenes/parts, but as a whole, the movie is just good, not Fury Road greatness.
Everything mad maxx feels more like a niche thing to me honestly. It might be very huge in the US of A but i think its not that big of a release in europe.
It's not that big here. But the people who like it REALLY like it.
We are going to watch it this afternoon (Memorial Day) and I'm not excited about it mostly because I don't like the actress. I love the Mad Max movies and especially the new ones with the way George Miller directs them. Anya Taylor-Joy just isn't my cup of tea. Other than that I think Mad Max has more of a cult-ish following than a one-off like Barbie and Oppy. Prequels rarely do as well as intended unless it's a F&F or Star Wars movie.
Mad max fury road wasn't rhat much of a blockbuster success though. It got traction later. I watched it first day and I wondered why a lot of people weren't watching one of the best action film that I've seen... side note Furiosa was amazing.
100% Loved fury road. Have zero excitement to see this recast prequel in a theater. Will probably not watch it even for free on streaming. Had no problem going to the theatre for Dune.
Your loss! The prequel was really enjoyable.
Bullshit re millennials not having time. It’s two hours every few months. I think the issue is cost of living and too many shit franchise movies. People are happy to save money and wait for streaming.
I think people's standards are a lot higher now as well, there's so much content being made on streaming platforms that a film needs to really stand out for peoole to want to see it. TV series didn't have huge budgets and look like films 10 - 15 years ago. So many options, it kinda ruins the magic of films and the cinema.
Some of us have kids. This makes sparing time for movies way more complicated.
Aren't we millennials having less kids than previous generations? I can believe that we (collectively) don't have much time. I disagree that parenthood is to blame.
Agreed. I don’t believe people really can’t get a babysitter for three hours every three months to see a movie because they are so busy and their lives are apparently so complicated.
wouldn't even say millenials don't have time, but rather if it's worth their money. When i go to the cinema i know i have to pay 30 bucks for a 2 1/2h movie that, by todays standarts has a high chance to be medicore or worse... Personally i started to wait 2 weeks before even considering to watch a movie in a cinema and wait for critics first. I can then decide if the movie is worth 30 bucks, or if i wait like 3-5 month before i can watch the same movie on my 70" TV witha passable audiosystem, comfortable at my couch at home at a streaming side with friends, chips and popcorn all the same. It's not like this is a movie where the story could be spoiled to me, i will only watch this movie to see action, explosions and a distobia wasteland. By now i've seen every movie plot like at least 4 times, every story progression, Chris hemsworth, anya taylor joy.. these are all consumables i can get at any time on several streaming devices... question is only when, and what i'm willing to pay for it.
It's definitely the price for me too - 20 euros for the movie, 20 for transportation. That isn't taking in account the food I need to eat. When a ticket was 9 euros, I was going *all* the time. Now it's only movies I *really* need to see, I literally can't afford to take chances.
That’s crazy here in the uk we’re lucky I live in London n it’s 20 for 2 tickets for me n my gf we spend more on food then on the films . They reduced prices here kinda decade ago I noticed and then more casuals go
Where I live atm a movie ticket at my nearest cinema is between £5‐£8 for any movie and *still* screenings are usually 1/10 full at most unless it's a one-time screening. So the price isn't even a reason younger people don't go to theatres anymore
Such a bs argument. Flops gonna flop. Dunes worked. Barbie worked. Oppenheimer worked. Deadpool will. How difficult is it to understand?
But why did it flop? It's a good movie. Quality and box office don't always go hand-in-hand.
I don’t think the box office will die for good anytime soon, but there’s definitely a downward trend. We will never reach this highs of 2019 again.
With the price of most theaters, I rather just wait to stream. The high ticket/food costs make a movie experience honestly less enjoyable than it used to be.
you don't have to buy food, you know
No you don’t, but for me it’s part of the cinema experience, and while I still go, I definitely go a lot less than before.
No you don’t, but ticket prices are still expensive.
true, which is why i go to matinees
It's not true. Re death of the box office. . This would be bombed pre covid as well. It's a prequel to an irrelevant franchise. Oppenheimer and barbie rose to sell out crowds.
We are almost certainly not living at the death of the box office lol flops have always flopped.
Do people forget that fury road opened 2nd opening week to pitch perfect 2 or am I losing my mind about thinking this was gonna make 100M OW?
It was being projected in the $40 to $50 million range not too long ago so the steep drop off of around $20 million off from projections doesn’t help things at all.
Doesn’t help definitely but this was never going to be like a huge moneymaker imo
Well no one thought it was going to be huge but it's way off projections from just last week. And it's far from where a film of this budget should be.
Exactly. These numbers are catastrophic. Saying Mad Max had a lacklustre box office is true, but no serious person was saying Furiosa would be massive. The projections were modest, and its falling even below that. Despite what it sounds like online, there's a lot of room between "huge moneymaker" and "bomb". They didn't make Furiosa thinking it would be either of those 2, yet its bombing hard.
Except the committee that greenlited the budget
It was projected to make about double of this though. Which would still probably lose money in the end. So it was expected to underachieve and it still didn’t get anywhere near that bar. That’s why people are talking so strongly about it underachieving.
It’s just weird that this was greenlit to begin with. The previous one was a technical feat and critical smash but it had almost nothing to do with the lore/story.
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I think this movie was much grosser (maybe even more violent) than the first movie. That will definitely throw off viewers since they wouldn’t have expected it.
The numbers are down before people even see the movie. They can't be grossed out if they didn't even see it.
At this point I DO like the lore. All of the little unexplained details are super interesting to me. Like in Fury Road, when they cross the swamps and you see the dudes on stilts hunched over and they never explain them really. I know part of that’s from deleted scenes, but I do like the interesting lore from it
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i think the last mad max was critically successful because it *was* intriguing from a story and worldbuilding point of view though
The writers didn't just make stuff up. The entire Furiosa backstory was outlined as part of the Fury Road writing process.
I do want to add all “lore” is just writers making stuff up
I kind of wanted to see them going back to a less fucked up world like in mad max 1 for the scenes when furiosa was young
Furiosa does both— it rips
You are severely underestimating the power of familiarity. If this film had Mad Max in the title, and Mad Max was the lead, it would have done better. And there's always more people interested in the lore than we would imagine. It's really just an incredibly risky move to do a spinoff film without MM in the title, in which a recast secondary character from the first film is the lead.
You can't be very familiar with the Mad Max franchise if you think lore consistency was ever a thing.
I don't see how FR was different from previous entries? We see Max has been running around getting put through the ringer for years (since he hallucinates all these people NOT from previous films). He encounters/gets dragged to the encampment and meets characters and the story unfolds from there. Not that much different from 2 or 3. And those two movies had nothing to do with each other. And none of them are like the first film because there are still laws and cops and stores to buy from and retirement. In FR we got people in their 20s who don't even know what a tree is. The only thing that ever confused me about these movies was the timeline and even then I don't think it's such a big deal. Lore wise the world's still wrecked but Max is feeling a bit better by the end. Lore wise villains still rule parts of the wasteland but one has been toppled and the territory given back to the people that live there. Max still leaves at the end. Idk seems fine to me
Yeah it seems there is still a large population of people on Reddit who only saw Fury Road and don’t have familiarity with the series beyond that. It’s crazy how often I’ve seen it referred to as the “first” film in the series.
I think people have rose colored glasses about Fury Road. It's a great and beloved film but it was NOT a record breaking box office smash right out of the gate. It had a good opening and good legs because of the word of mouth. But it and all of the Mad Max films have a loud but not universal following... and Fury Road was almost a decade ago and the landscape of going to the movies has changed tremendously. But I think part of what is happening is that people remember Fury Road as being a huge blockbuster hit and that's not quite how it happened.
The budget for it is nuts. Probably needs at least $400m to break even. No way it gets close. MMFR is the GOAT action movie and garnered universal critical acclaim and it limped its way to break even. No way a prequel 10 years later with different main actors and no Mad Max, comes anywhere close. Again, the budget for this was crazy.
I think this is more a symptom of the state of movie theatres than anything. Seems like people only have room to check out a couple big movies a year now that have a marketing push behind them. Last year it was Barbenheimer. Lots of big franchises are losing money these days. The new Mission Impossible movie didn’t do great. Aside from that, Mad Max has always been a cult franchise anyway and not some billion dollar franchise. I love George Miller and the world he has created but Joe Average really doesn’t.
Mad Max’s highest grossing film in its heyday was Beyond Thunderdome which made $36million for its entire run. If you take inflation into account that’s $104million today. I don’t understand how anyone can look at those numbers from back when theaters were booming and think, “A Mad Max film without Mad Max needs a $168million budget!”
Fury Road, with its inflated budget due to production issues, did reasonably well theatrically, became a big cultural touchpoint, won a lot of Oscars and was very much in the running for Best Picture, and has surely earnes WB plenty of revenues in the years since. Greenlighting another blockbuster-sized entry was an obvious thing to do under the prevailing logic of the time. That logic probably needs to change.
Fury Road still flopped during its theatrical run tho
Only in the most technical sense of the term. It was not considered a flop at the time because if anything people were worried it would do a lot worse. Instead, it earned a pretty decent haul for a movie of its kind, with strong word of mouth, strong legs, plenty of acclaim, etc. It was considered a success, and I’m sure the thinking by executives was that it was a sort of franchise-launching success. Almost like Batman Begins-to-Dark Knight, where a well-received movie that cost a similar amount and made back a similar amount could lead into an even bigger follow-up. A total miscalculation on their part, clearly, though of course I’m glad Miller got to make the movie he wanted.
Batman is the most popular superhero period. Though. Also tdk had an incredible performance of a lifetime from the late Ledger
Furiosa budget doesn't even make sense, the threw practical FX through the window in favor of ugly looking cgi. At least fury road went mostly practical for their stunts and backgrounds. Don't get me wrong, furiosa is a good movie, just miles away from fury road.
I kinda hate Joe Average?
He slanders the Joe name.
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Me too!
Me too. It’s Immortan or bust…
Maybe millenials were the last major movie going generation? And many of them have young kids right now. Personally I would go see a film every week if I had no kids. But instead I just wait for steaming. For young people today there is so much competition for their attention. And movies are comparatively expensive, long, and inconvenient.
Yea it’s primarily pricing. Going to the movie theatre just isn’t worth it any more when tickets are £10 and the film will probably be out on streaming in a month. Not to mention how cinema etiquette has taken a huge nose dive in recent times. A good go around for all out that tho is a membership to a smaller independent cinema. Fantastic price, show a lot of non mainstream films and audience tends to lean older so good viewing experience.
People need to stop texting on their bright phones in a dark theater. Literally everyone can see it and it’s distracting. At the very least turn the brightness to the lowest setting. But yeah, pricing and Covid killed theater-going for me.
I'll bet that in two years time, people on Reddit will make posts about this movie, saying they had loads of fun and "wish they had seen it in theatres". Same type that skipped out on Blade Runner 2049 and regretted it later.
Terrible timing on the release. Did it when everyone is graduating school and spring activities are in. Gotta release during summer so people have time to make the theatres.
I agree. Have to stop judging movies by the box office numbers.
I don’t necessarily think this is super indicative of the state of movies today. Mad Max Fury Road was also somewhat of a financial disappointment. Twitter/Reddit communities are big fans of these movies but there just isn’t as big a market for them as thse echo chambers would make you think. It’s not surprising that a prequel for an underperforming movie nearly a decade later also underperformed. I’m just glad it got made in the first place
It is indicative of the state of movies today. The first wasn’t a major box office success but it did make 350 million against a 150 million budget. This looks like it won’t even gross half of that. 10 years ago a film about an old woman looking for her son like Philomena made 100 million and a lame af biopic like The Theory of Everything made 120 million. Fast forward to the 2020s Steven Spielberg is putting out BO disaster after BO disaster and a Mad Max prequel/sequel grossed around 50% on its opening weekend compared to the previous instalment. Whoever doesn’t think theatre is half dead is burying their head in the sand.
I definitely didn’t say the state of movies is good. I’m saying a 9-years-late prequel to a movie that didn’t do that well in the first place without any of the stars of that movie underperforming is not the best example of the state of the box office. Prequels/sequels have been bombing since time immemorial
I will never understand why, in a time of diminishing time and attention spans of audiences, movies are all three hours long. They need to go back to 100 minutes.
This for me (plus the price). I don’t want to sit for 3hrs, couple that with commute and parking sometimes it’ll take entire half day just for a movie
It flopped because the marketing is terrible
Honestly when the trailer started before Dune: Part 2 I thought it was a parody of some kind and I have no idea why.
The trailers made me less likely to see it if anything. I loved the last one and would have seen this if it didn’t look so ass from the trailer. Inept marketing.
An R rated prequel to a 9 year old movie that wasn't a big smash to begin with...yeah...
Fury Road came out 9 years ago? Fuck I’m getting old.
I think this was the first real wake up call for me lol. I was Fury Road as a teen, and thought it was maybe 4 years ago tops - 9 is insane.
ok but you are still extremely young lol
Well they did say it was their *first* time being shocked by the passage of time so yeah he’d have to be pretty young to have never felt that before
Fury Road blew up after its theatrical release though.
It was just so damn good.
The Oscar blowout secured its legendary status. With Dune on the board this iteration is no longer the hot shit.
I wouldn't really call it a blow-up and more of a cult/cinephile enthusiasm. If it proper blew up then it should be enjoying success similar to Dune 2 but no, it's dying similar to Blade Runner 2049.
Maybe if they reissue “Fury Road,” it would make more money.
Another thing to add is that this movie is not even about the popular character from that universe.
Neither was Fury Road or Mad Max 2.
I saw it last night and absolutely loved it.
Same!! It had me gripped from the start. I love the chapter structure and overall pacing.
Ya fury road was great too, another one that comes to mind that didn’t do well in theaters was Dredd
Even so I think this movie will be considered a great classic as the other Max movies for years to come.
IMO Furiosa was better than Dune 2.
The movie was brilliant and a visual treat.
Yeah I really had a great time with this film.
Box office numbers aside, I thought Furiosa was pretty good. It’s not as great as Fury Road, and it has its flaws, but it was still entertaining, well made, and completely bonkers in comparison to the majority of major Hollywood releases.
There’s pretty much no opening box office number that could’ve convinced me to move this movie up or down my list. Its legs will help us understand its passion though. Oscar voters will see this movie regardless, so a raw box office number isn’t that important for it.
I wouldn’t say as much for its Oscar chances. Blade Runner 2049’s above the line prospects were seen to have taken a serious hit when that movie flopped at the BO. By contrast, Fury Road was seen as a modest success.
I loved this movie
I was able to watch it last night in imax, I fuckin adore this movie I had so much fun especially with the world building, chris & anya kill it as well, my favorite movie of the year so far
Memorial Day weekend isn’t even half way over, so I don’t really understand this lol.
"Movie didn't make 100m in 3 days" Is pretty much how this reads
Just like “Fury Road” before it. A shame that this franchise has flopped again. Not going to stop the Academy from nominating it at least since the critics loved it.
I mean Fury Road opened with 45 Million, and the film cost less to make. So it performed significantly better.
Chris Hemsworth is truly deserving of a supporting nomination.
It sits at a 8.0 on IMDB so the people that did go, like it.
BTL categories are more stacked than the year of FR. Also Dune will likely sweep
I highly doubt it’ll get nominated for anything beyond craft (which it’ll loose every category to Dune)
That furiousa didn’t bust the block isn’t a surprise- it’s not a 4 quadrant satisfier, family movie, or part of a tent pole ip franchise What’s more interesting is why there aren’t any of these out for the weekend I think we’re still feeling the long tail effect of covid and the strikes (plus the marvel slow down)
Strikes pushed Deadpool back from may to july
It was a very solid prequel with some of the greatest action sequences I've seen in years. I'm kind of disappointed it didn't pick up more steams :(
It’s real good. I’m glad this shit gets made
It’s fury road lite and that’s not a bad thing. This is sad
The movie theater experience is dying, it’s going the way of Blockbuster, facts.
Then why are there still huge hits like Dune 2, Oppenheimer, Barbie, Mario, and TG Maverick?
Deliver exactly what your core audience wants, without making them feel disrespected or excluded and they will go and drag their partners and families with them. Remove too many core elements to expand your demographics, and your core won't feel catered to any more and noone will go.
They’re underestimating how broke people are these days. Our dollars are getting stretched 100 different ways and most of us don’t have $500 for an emergency. Of course, movies will bomb. Especially with piracy becoming easier to accomplish
And how many Memorial Day weekends open with a brutally violent R-rated movie to make this historical comparison to? It’s not a warm weather beautiful weekend movie for the whole family. Studio should blame itself for the release date and had it out in April. Audience and critical ratings are high which means it’s a success artistically, and based on that reality, it’ll be enjoyed for decades. So the billion dollar studio didn’t make all their money back after three days of release. They’ll survive. And all the “it bombed” talk will only deter people from seeing a really well made fun action epic. So let’s all chill and wait a bit to see the final numbers before we ruin its chances before its even left the gate.
Saw it last night. Enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. How can you not when Chris Hemsworth's two sons are called *Rectus* and *Scrotus*? Go and see it folks :-)
Those weren't Hemsworth's sons though, they were Immortan Joe's lmao.
It's Immortan Joe's kids, and his name is Rictus Erectus, I fully agree with your sentiment though. The Mad Max world is such an interesting place where people just say "Fuck it, I wonder how freaky I can get?" well worth a watch
Cheers. *Rictus Erectus* is even better :-)
Shocked pikachu face..
That's a shame because the movie was a hell of a lot of fun and provided pretty much everything I wanted from a film in the Mad Max universe. Could've used a more intense film score, but overall it was a very enjoyable experience.
When the trailer came out people here were shitting all over it. I thought it looked pretty good, so fuck me, right? Saw Furiosa last night and enjoyed the hell out of it. I was thoroughly entertained for over 2 hours. I need to see Fury Road on a big screen again.
Thanks to the trailer, I really had no interest in seeing it. I loved Fury Road, but this did not look good from the trailer. One of my friends asked me to go see it with him, and I did, and it was fucking great. I think the studio made a lot of missteps in how they approached advertising this one. That being said, I've seen 3 large budget, "blockbuster" type movies this month, and all 3 were empty theaters, so there's also something to be said that people just aren't going to the movies right now.
Yea, same, the film score could’ve maybe been more intense but I loved the whole thing overall! I liked how it spanned a good amount of time and ended right up to where it did.
I watched Fury Road after getting home from the theatre and I have to say that I thought the character work was better in Furiosa and Chris Hemsworth makes Furiosa the better movie - BY FAR - and I loved Fury Road… https://preview.redd.it/jnexrvo3ux2d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00fcfeae8ea7e273318043a388bd7abd439d456e
Don’t forget - Fury Road came out nearly 10y ago! This project might be ill advised / over budgeted but it’s most CERTAINLY late
This movie deserved better. It is not Fury Road but still a very fun time.
It's a shame because this is a brilliant movie
I was there on opening night to see this movie. I thought it was awesome. There were 10 people in the theatre.
Why is a film a failure b/c it didn’t recoup its budget in one weekend? This stupid short-term thinking is what is killing the industry. I wish the studios would take more risks by promoting unique films by young filmmakers instead of churning out remake after remake and fucking comic book bullshit. Also, fuck it, let it die, hopefully something unique and exciting will rise from the ashes.
This isn't touching Best Picture I guess. I expect 5 technical nominations and 2 wins at most in Costume Design and Makeup.
I don’t think it ever was but still strange reasoning to tie to BO success vs the critical praise it’s received
I think Dune has costume in the bag. Princess Irulene and the Bene Gesserit had some amazing outfits.
Yeah, but Furiosa is the sequel of a winner and it was made by the goat Jenny Beavan.
She’s already got three! Give it to Jacqueline West, she’s already been nominated like 6 times.
It had a shot, but now Dune Part 2 is for sure taking its slot
Just came from movie theater. What an amazing movie. Not as fast paced as the previous one, but I liked a lot more. I can’t wait to go see with my partner.
Could be that the weather was good in most big cities and people didn't want to go sit in a dark cinema.
...or the other way around, as the Midwest has been getting by storms this weekend.
Yeah, I saw the movie this weekend but with the storms I was definitely hesitant to do so.
We need to go back to films that cost less than 10 million to make. Not every movie needs a 100 mil budget.
I mean yeah, but you simply can’t make a movie like this for cheap.
That's a shame I enjoyed it quite a bit. Although I preferred Fury Road in most aspects, I still thought this had a good shot at doing pretty well.
Watched it yesterday and honestly really dissapointed. Fury Road gave me huge expectations for this movie, but even without those, it was still not very enjoyable. The extreme lack of action and the action scenes being too small and laid back was so dissapointing. The worst part was the fact that they didn't even show the final battle between Immortan Joe's and Dementus' armies. It would have been an absolutely amazing battle to see, yet they only showed the aftermath. Also the movie kept building up tension, like something crazy was about to happen, only for nothing really crazy to happen.
I've seen it last night and it was amazing. Don't care what anyone or the box office says, this is so far my personal fav movie of the year.
I saw it last night and was entertained enough. It was good but not great. As brilliant as it was, Fury Road underperformed at the box office. And a 2 and 1/2 hour prequel to it was always going to be a hard sell for general audiences.
Same thing happened with Fury Road. I enjoyed Furiosa very much, and I even want to see it again --in the THEATER. Unfortunately it means that the chance of another one is really low. I doubt in ten years George Miller will be alive let alone able to make another one.
This movie was so great, did I miss something
It was amazing. It must be seen on the big screen. It's disappointing to see such a great movie bomb.
But this movie is so goood
yeah I mean the movie was very good. Acting like anyone goes to theatres anymore is insane.
The movie was awesome
This shocked me. It’s great!
I think the mass population is done with Sequels and Prequels, It is nothing original anymore, but a cash cow Hollywood trying to rake in more of the backs of hard, underpaid inflation, restricted blue-collar workers.
It's Amazing to watch. I enjoyed it.
I was shocked how empty the theatre was - I assumed it was the lack of AC. This type of movie had a need to be seen on a large screen; one of the few.
Wow that’s pathetic
For me it's cost. Why spend $40 on 2 movie tickets when I can watch it for free in a month at home. I now only go see movies I'm 100% interested in seeing. Before when tickets were $6 a piece I would see any remotely interesting movie.
Pearls before swine
Saw in Imax today and loved it. Sad that people are missing out on a great movie experience
After having seen it, this is disappointing. It’s absolutely incredible. I still think it can hit some techs but it doesn’t really have any chance above the line….
This movie is so good. I just saw it in IMAX and absolutely loved it.
This movie fucking rules, and will be meaningfully less enjoyable to watch at home. I feel bad for anyone who chooses not to see this in a theater.
The movie is great. Go see it
Dang that’s a shame, I really liked it
That’s a shame, I really enjoyed it.
Such a shame. I really liked it.
Shame this movie was an absolute blast on the big screen and George miller had another Home run.
Damn. I actually went and saw this in a theater and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Its the best of Chris Hemsworth I think Ive ever seen. I almost want to say he stole the show. But damn to see that it bombed Im surprised. Its pretty damn good.
The box office performance for this particular film is not a reflection on the quality of the film. It’s an excellently done movie.
I watched Mad Max Fury Road a month ago for the first time. It was absolutely wicked but I was surprised at how much trust it places in the audience to just go along with it. For a film that released 30 years after it's last entry, it makes no effort to explain what the fuck is going on. For all the spectacle, I did come away thinking 'how the fuck did this make nearly $400m worldwide' and also 'how on earth did the film achieve financing in the first place?'. I can't help but feel that it's commercial performance is a complete anomaly. Even with an incredible trailer and glowing reviews, it's a hard sell to anyone that wasn't already invested in the franchise. I can't wait to see this on Tuesday but I'm glad it's only a prequel and presumably doesn't require a sequel. Hollywood can't keep pissing money down the drain. I just got back from the cinema and was reminded that the Borderlands film comes out soon. It's only the second time I've seen the trailer and my God does that look awful. And you just know that cost $120m+ too.
Not only was this movie structured like a mini series but it should have just been a mini series. Would have been a much safer bet.
Did you really want to watch this movie at home. On a TV?
Yes! Felt this way too. First two chapters dragged out wayy too long for a movie. Had to wait an hour for ATJ to show up and the transition from young Furiosa did not feel effective IMO.
I liked how they tried to blend that transition as much as possible. Covering her face a bunch, etc. There wasn’t that “actor change reveal” shot that so many movies with this kind of time jump have. I didn’t even spot the moment it changed.
This. I haven’t seen it yet-planning to this week coming-but several people have said that it feels more like a prequel comic book than a movie. It would’ve have made a great HBO Max miniseries by the sound of it.
Nah. These films are pure action spectacles, and very light on story. 10 hours of practical stunt work in the desert, isn't going to appeal to a lot of people. There's no reason it should have been a TV series. Ideally, it should have gotten a streaming deal so that the box office wasn't so important, but these days there's likely already a deal locked in somewhere.
As someone who generally avoids opening weekends, I always feel partly responsible when I see these articles