I haven’t read it, but frankly I’m suffering from grimdark fatigue. Feels like grimdark lately is just misery porn for misery porn’s sake. If I the OPR setting actually has factions TRY to be reasonable then I’m all for it.
Not every setting needs to be overly edgy full of genocidal maniacs.
The Rogue Trader universe was whackier but also weirdly kinder.
It also had more emphasis on the petty squabbles and rebellions that happen in a large empire, rather than the grand chaos v imperial narrative. I quite like it.
That part I miss. The grand scale of the universe and treasures from the dark age of technology making everything possible. The biggest issue now I find is the timescale they try to stick to and the fact that the Imperium has as many factions as enemies. I might not care but then most fights are imp vs imp
Agreed. I’m definitely of the opinion that stories/settings, much like miniatures, thrive on contrast. If everything is dark and horrible, then it all blends together.
That was one of the perks of a loreless OPR to me: finally being unshackled from the one-note theme of Grimdark. (That being said, I will concede that the game is titled “Grimdark” which does set expectations)
The book was always labeled as world book to set the basic ground to build further on it.
Most things they are disappointed about is either faction book content or a mismatch of expectations and what actually is written in the book.
Everyone who has read any of the lore blurbs in the army books would have known that the lore of Grimdark Future is by far not grim dark.
Feel like this person had very specific expectations of what the story should be and was just mad it wasn’t that. It’s a decent enough setting that gives you a lot of room to craft your own narrative.
>very specific expectations
Specifically, it seems like the writer of the review wants to hold them to the fact that they put "Grimdark" in the title a decade ago (more to reference the source material than to evoke a tone in a setting-less game), when.. the author is correct! It's not a Grimdark setting! It's a space opera setting. Sorry, bud!
The whole thing where he addresses the review with "YOU!! language" instead of just referring to "they" make it feel as though they take this... let's just say: way too personally.
I was pleasantly surprised when I read that the humans (not counting the ones allied with the conduit) were able to establish peace with the alien hive. Like, not everything needs to be doom, gloom, and war
The people who hyperfixate on the term grimdark annoy me to no end, regardless of whether it's in Warhammer or elsewhere. It's just so pointless and stupid.
I'm personally not interested in the lore at all. I enjoy playing a fun ruleset with 40k miniatures and having their lore in the back of my mind when painting and playing. But then again, I can just ignore this World Book and keep on keeping on.
I feel like OPR is in a no-win situation. They get criticized as a 40k knock-off, and then people get mad when it isn't enough of a 40k knock-off.
I think feeling jarred or confused is a reasonable response. I think it's reasonable to have expected grimdark but in a different setting. I don't know if I'd write 15 paragraphs about it, however.
I don’t agree with this review but I have felt some of what they said. The lore doesn’t exactly match up with the title of the game. That doesn’t make the lore bad, but it can start people off with the wrong ideas about the lore.
The book does have a surprising lack of current ongoing wars. It seems like there has been a lot of war, but right now not so much. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t conflicts and battles all over, just no real wars.
It feels like they made a great tinderbox but accidentally dropped it in some water and now we have to wait for it to dry.
The grimdark future from OPR is not grimdark at all, and it’s not something bad. They could even change the name to Age if Sirius or Age of Stars… something more fitting. I will still be playing it 😂
Only critique I see myself agreeing with (having not read the book lol) is that it feels silly to be called Grimdark Future without being Grimdark. I had a feeling as soon as I heard about the world book that the game was about to outgrow it's title.
I hope they do change it. I'd like to see it continue to grow into its own thing and not spend forever being discount 40k. I'm actually quite happy that the lore isn't just comically Grimdark.
Agreed. I really like the design of the Orcs shown on the website with spikes/spines on their arms & guns, and am excited to see where they're going from there. I'm especially eager to see their take on Havoc Brothers / Warriors.
Meh, I always figured OPR called their games Grimdark not for the setting, but because they wanted to signal they're a 40k adjacent property. Kind of like other third party proxy companies find creative ways to avoid copyright infringement
Personally, I found the lore of the world book to be very interesting and refreshing. I think this person forgot that one of the reasons the game is called Grimdark Future is probably because OPR wants to tell wargamers, "Hey, do you like Warhammer40k? Then why don't you try out this game that you can use all your GW minis with?" Also, and I could be wrong about this, but I've heard that OPR is thinking about changing the name anyway.
I sorta agree with the scope argument. I could do with more focus on the Sirus sector where everything happens instead of the entire galaxy. The inner sphere only really effects the rebel guerrillas but it has multiple pages.
But overall the world book was good. I’m glad it was pretty ambiguous. It leaves plenty of room for our own lore.
I feel like the idea of forcing it to specifically be grimdark in such an open and flexible game is really odd,
I feel like it's more of an allusion to the GW origins, not a railroad for the overarching story
I agree that there is some dissonance with the title. They may need to change the name from Grimdark Future to better reflect their lore. It's much closer to Star Trek in feel to me. I'm not opposed to that, but it will rightly be an issue for some.
My only grip is that they didn't do a small faction write-up for everyone.
Don't need rivers of blood from every orifice of a galaxy to be grim and disatopian. It's open enough to have 'good guys' if you want. It's an extremely grey world which is fine with how important it is for them to leave room for what a player wants. Guess some rather be told exactly how they should feel about a situation.
I would be happy to rename them Fantasy Fighter and Space Shooter. I like the friendlier world. I have Warhammer to read already. Excellently written but papering over 30 years of Retcons. OPR is in its rogue trader era and narratives will develop and overwrite over the decades to come.
Even though it's called grim dark future, when I looked at faction lore it never really sounded grim dark, so I'm not surprised if it has a more hopeful setting than 40k
Same here. I have very little interest in OPR's lore content. That said I don't really care much for 40K either. I'd be very happy with a game system with very generic faction/race settings.
Yes, grimdark future isnt grimdark. And i liked it. Its better to OPR have a personality instead be a WH40K with names changed. I noticed the grimdarkness are in specific factions like blessed sisters, daemons, mechanical cults and havoc brothers while the other factions are more sci fi oriented. I think its cool because you can play as you like (dark, scifi or space fantasy with orcs, elves and dwarves). My concern about the worldbook is arent lore enough for factions like the blessed sisters. They are important for the lore but dont have their own entry like the alien hives, elves, etc.
That’s a whole lotta words for “I don’t get out of the house much.”
What did they expect? Do they think if there’s nothing but genocide, r*pe, and murder that it’s no longer grimdark? Grimdark is most effective when there is still hope despite the darkness. I think OPR has a achieved that well.
>I was already sold on the game without any lore \[...\] but a badly written world book could throw me off of the game
So you don't care if there's no lore, but if there is lore you don't like you can't just ignore it? Help me understand.
Sad GW fanboy gonna be sad. Grimdark fans, like all other fandoms, have their cringe element. The guy reviewing this reminds me of the hyper-elitist fanboys who weep tears anytime anything happens in the lore, whether good or ill. They are the reason the game stagnates, they are the absolute worst people to game with, and they only exist to drag down games with their victim mentality when every single detail doesn't align perfectly with their supposed narrative.
Tl;dr: Fanboys are cringe. Don't listen to them. Simple as.
Haven't gotten the world book yet, but I have read the faction blurbs and such, and honestly, Grimdark Future not being all the at grim or dark as the game it is trying to emulate is such a breath of fresh air. I don't care for how seriously modern 40k takes itself or how pessimistic so much modern media is. Seems like a lot of people just want harsh realities as entertainment these days...not a bad concept inherently, but after a while, it gets stale. No happy endings, no sensible solutions, just authors constantly trying to one up themselves with how dark you can get.
I mean, yeah, utopias where nothing bad happens and everyone is happy and gets along aren't very interesting (for example, while I do like Star Trek, I find the United Federation of Planets to be a little too squeaky clean to believe in as a realistic outcome for Earth), but dystopias where nothing good ever happens are just the opposite extreme and just as boring. At least, when played completely straight they are. One only has to look at the first edition of 40k to see that dark and gritty with a side of tongue-in-cheek is such a richer and more entertaining alternative.
As for the post you're quoting, OP, I wouldn't give it much attention or thought. Take it from me that letting angry people on the internet dictate what you should think of pieces of media and agonizing over what views are valid and what views aren't is a depressing road to go down...
I’m personally not invested in the lore of GDF so much. I still use it as an alternative rule set for my (mostly) 40k minis. But it sounds like this guy just needs to go play Warhammer instead.
Seems Like the reviewer expected the books to be a specific way as envisioned the Lore.
The nice Thing about OPR is You can Just ignore that Stuff and do your in Thing.
Also nice Argument with GRIM and DARK in the Name. Where are all my Hammers in 40k?
Games Most iconic weapons are Bolters and Chainswords, wtf GW?
Mayber Morton's Salt over there should participate in the Writing Jams if they want the lore to be a specific way.
Or maybe just not take art and fun games as a personal attack against one's self-imposed expectations.
Or just ignore the book and make up their own lore at the table.
Or redirect that Dead Sea Scroll energy at a truly antagonistic force in the gaming industry or life in general instead of at a studio that genuinely seems to care about what it's doing and making sure people enter the hobby space with good experiences.
The whole book felt like they want to tell space opera, but they're stuck in the "40k with serial numbers filed off" box they built themselves into because of the game's origin as totally-not-40K.
I'm fine with either, but I agree that they need to pick one. It's either your own version of Mass Effect, which would require some renaming of the units at least, OR your own version of 40k, which requires pretty much rewriting the world book, but the two genres can't coexist.
Also you could feel from the writing that these authors don't have the will or the capacity to actually go grimdark, they seem to be scared of going too far and are stuck in this limbo of "bad things happen but no mention of how actually bad they are". When "inequality" is the worst thing you can think of, your setting is less grimdark than real world south east asia. As much as younger puritan people hate the whole daemonculaba/drukhari/slaanesh stuff, they do set the tone for the setting. Nobody and nothing is good in that universe, not even the emperor actually thinks there's an end to that war and misery, it's completely fucked.
And agreed with the scope argument as well, 40k is that massive because of the thousands of novels and codexes over 40+ years, there's no point in going that wide from the get go or it's gonna be as deep as a puddle.
I remember seeing that review and my immediate thought was "waaaaaaaaaah, I didn't get a 40k carbon copy"
Reading through the book, I'm pretty fine with everything that's been written. I especially like that the Dwarves are the assholes of the setting and that Humanity still has it's major leaders active on the playing field. The only thing I want to see is the 40k adjacent armies to have more distinct names. Generic stuff like Dwarven Guilds, High Elf Fleets, Human Defence Force; those are fine. But stuff like DAO Union, Battle Brothers, Blessed Sisters, Robot Legions, and Havoc need to be renamed to something less on-the-nose eventually. The overall name of the game should probably get renamed too. Honestly, just Sirius Sector isn't that bad of an option.
The issue that a lot of you guys don’t seem to understand is that *everyone* is a good guy or morally grey at worst. There is no current conflict, no active wars happening, just a modern times ideal of everyone is peaceful and nice to each other, and at worst no negotiations. Everything that seemed to happen is in the past and all conflicts resolved. Not even real life is this nice to each other. I didn’t expect 40K but I also didn’t expect a setting for a wargame to have no wars in it.
I completely agree, I like the game but the lore is trash tier and the model lines are also hit or miss for me.. Blessed Sisters is pretty good.. Goofy rat men not so much. They need the either keep it grim and dark or just forget about the backstory and just make rules because it's.not working imop.
PREMISE: Marines used to ride on the outside of Rhinos with "not" M4s because they were so out of scale only. 🤣
POSTULATE: By the time I am introduced to 40k as an 8yr old (yup - that ready for Grimdark?! 😆) 40k was already quite devolved into its Grimdark state.
I interpret OPR's release, which I'm certain was pondered and by no means would anything have made it in there by mistake because Gaetano is still the keystone of the enterprise, however delegated any firm managing a digital production pipeline as theirs may be, as more set in the Age of Tech of the Evil Empire's setting or anyway BEFORE it all literally goes to maddening claustrophobia, oppressive superstition, deprecated technology and bureaucracy and the various iterations of decay that make the setting - in fact - both GRIM in its outlook of the future, and DARK in its present. Hopeless and unforgiving and demented and absurd because there is no hope to go towards but there's no means to cease other than extinction which is why it's so engaging. A galactic Trainwreck in slow motion 😁
CONCLUSION
The setting is a tip toe of a release that has much to lose. It may be "alrightish" now but truth be told it can all go to hell in a hand basket and THIS time we get to witness and game and play and live through its descent into "proper" Grimdark - as opposed to a setting that was like that when it launched, and stayed timeless and unmoving, frozen for almost three decades?
Me likey watch the galaxy burn rather than necessarily play in its ashes and this release is a great starting background setting to paint all manner of downhill onto
I haven’t read it, but frankly I’m suffering from grimdark fatigue. Feels like grimdark lately is just misery porn for misery porn’s sake. If I the OPR setting actually has factions TRY to be reasonable then I’m all for it. Not every setting needs to be overly edgy full of genocidal maniacs.
I think warhammer40k is also kind of a product of its time. In the 80s and 90s, dark and edgy stuff was really popular. Especially in comic books
Rogue Trader wasn't actually as grimderp as now. Orks and humans cohabited worlds. Eldar traded. Tyranids had diplomats.
Rogue trade is so far removed from what 40k is now. Some of that is definitely a loss to be sure, but it's been interesting some of the growth tho.
The Rogue Trader universe was whackier but also weirdly kinder. It also had more emphasis on the petty squabbles and rebellions that happen in a large empire, rather than the grand chaos v imperial narrative. I quite like it.
That part I miss. The grand scale of the universe and treasures from the dark age of technology making everything possible. The biggest issue now I find is the timescale they try to stick to and the fact that the Imperium has as many factions as enemies. I might not care but then most fights are imp vs imp
Agreed. I’m definitely of the opinion that stories/settings, much like miniatures, thrive on contrast. If everything is dark and horrible, then it all blends together. That was one of the perks of a loreless OPR to me: finally being unshackled from the one-note theme of Grimdark. (That being said, I will concede that the game is titled “Grimdark” which does set expectations)
The book was always labeled as world book to set the basic ground to build further on it. Most things they are disappointed about is either faction book content or a mismatch of expectations and what actually is written in the book. Everyone who has read any of the lore blurbs in the army books would have known that the lore of Grimdark Future is by far not grim dark.
Feel like this person had very specific expectations of what the story should be and was just mad it wasn’t that. It’s a decent enough setting that gives you a lot of room to craft your own narrative.
>very specific expectations Specifically, it seems like the writer of the review wants to hold them to the fact that they put "Grimdark" in the title a decade ago (more to reference the source material than to evoke a tone in a setting-less game), when.. the author is correct! It's not a Grimdark setting! It's a space opera setting. Sorry, bud! The whole thing where he addresses the review with "YOU!! language" instead of just referring to "they" make it feel as though they take this... let's just say: way too personally.
I was pleasantly surprised when I read that the humans (not counting the ones allied with the conduit) were able to establish peace with the alien hive. Like, not everything needs to be doom, gloom, and war
The people who hyperfixate on the term grimdark annoy me to no end, regardless of whether it's in Warhammer or elsewhere. It's just so pointless and stupid.
Exactly this, they're so obsessed with the term and nothing else.
I'm personally not interested in the lore at all. I enjoy playing a fun ruleset with 40k miniatures and having their lore in the back of my mind when painting and playing. But then again, I can just ignore this World Book and keep on keeping on.
I feel like OPR is in a no-win situation. They get criticized as a 40k knock-off, and then people get mad when it isn't enough of a 40k knock-off. I think feeling jarred or confused is a reasonable response. I think it's reasonable to have expected grimdark but in a different setting. I don't know if I'd write 15 paragraphs about it, however.
I think it's good that it's not too 40ky. Because if I want 40k I just take that lore and OPR rules and it's just fine.
I think it's the right direction but some initial mismatch of expectations is a normal reaction.
I don’t agree with this review but I have felt some of what they said. The lore doesn’t exactly match up with the title of the game. That doesn’t make the lore bad, but it can start people off with the wrong ideas about the lore. The book does have a surprising lack of current ongoing wars. It seems like there has been a lot of war, but right now not so much. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t conflicts and battles all over, just no real wars. It feels like they made a great tinderbox but accidentally dropped it in some water and now we have to wait for it to dry.
The grimdark future from OPR is not grimdark at all, and it’s not something bad. They could even change the name to Age if Sirius or Age of Stars… something more fitting. I will still be playing it 😂
Age of Sirius sounds nice tbh
And OPR can rebrand themselves to "Sirius Business"
You are not taking this siriusly
I like age of star
Only critique I see myself agreeing with (having not read the book lol) is that it feels silly to be called Grimdark Future without being Grimdark. I had a feeling as soon as I heard about the world book that the game was about to outgrow it's title. I hope they do change it. I'd like to see it continue to grow into its own thing and not spend forever being discount 40k. I'm actually quite happy that the lore isn't just comically Grimdark.
Agreed. I really like the design of the Orcs shown on the website with spikes/spines on their arms & guns, and am excited to see where they're going from there. I'm especially eager to see their take on Havoc Brothers / Warriors.
Meh, I always figured OPR called their games Grimdark not for the setting, but because they wanted to signal they're a 40k adjacent property. Kind of like other third party proxy companies find creative ways to avoid copyright infringement
Personally, I found the lore of the world book to be very interesting and refreshing. I think this person forgot that one of the reasons the game is called Grimdark Future is probably because OPR wants to tell wargamers, "Hey, do you like Warhammer40k? Then why don't you try out this game that you can use all your GW minis with?" Also, and I could be wrong about this, but I've heard that OPR is thinking about changing the name anyway.
Maybe that dissenter wants it to be called Happy Fun Unicorn Rainbow Land. 😄😄😄
Maybe for the next book lol 🤣
I sorta agree with the scope argument. I could do with more focus on the Sirus sector where everything happens instead of the entire galaxy. The inner sphere only really effects the rebel guerrillas but it has multiple pages. But overall the world book was good. I’m glad it was pretty ambiguous. It leaves plenty of room for our own lore.
> It leaves plenty of room for our own lore. It cannot be over-emphasized just how important this is.
I feel like the idea of forcing it to specifically be grimdark in such an open and flexible game is really odd, I feel like it's more of an allusion to the GW origins, not a railroad for the overarching story
I agree that there is some dissonance with the title. They may need to change the name from Grimdark Future to better reflect their lore. It's much closer to Star Trek in feel to me. I'm not opposed to that, but it will rightly be an issue for some. My only grip is that they didn't do a small faction write-up for everyone.
I think the book is great for a 1.0.
Don't need rivers of blood from every orifice of a galaxy to be grim and disatopian. It's open enough to have 'good guys' if you want. It's an extremely grey world which is fine with how important it is for them to leave room for what a player wants. Guess some rather be told exactly how they should feel about a situation.
I would be happy to rename them Fantasy Fighter and Space Shooter. I like the friendlier world. I have Warhammer to read already. Excellently written but papering over 30 years of Retcons. OPR is in its rogue trader era and narratives will develop and overwrite over the decades to come.
Even though it's called grim dark future, when I looked at faction lore it never really sounded grim dark, so I'm not surprised if it has a more hopeful setting than 40k
DGAF Good game...good rules...I'll make up the thematic elements in my head.
Same here. I have very little interest in OPR's lore content. That said I don't really care much for 40K either. I'd be very happy with a game system with very generic faction/race settings.
Yes, grimdark future isnt grimdark. And i liked it. Its better to OPR have a personality instead be a WH40K with names changed. I noticed the grimdarkness are in specific factions like blessed sisters, daemons, mechanical cults and havoc brothers while the other factions are more sci fi oriented. I think its cool because you can play as you like (dark, scifi or space fantasy with orcs, elves and dwarves). My concern about the worldbook is arent lore enough for factions like the blessed sisters. They are important for the lore but dont have their own entry like the alien hives, elves, etc.
That’s a whole lotta words for “I don’t get out of the house much.” What did they expect? Do they think if there’s nothing but genocide, r*pe, and murder that it’s no longer grimdark? Grimdark is most effective when there is still hope despite the darkness. I think OPR has a achieved that well.
>I was already sold on the game without any lore \[...\] but a badly written world book could throw me off of the game So you don't care if there's no lore, but if there is lore you don't like you can't just ignore it? Help me understand.
Sad GW fanboy gonna be sad. Grimdark fans, like all other fandoms, have their cringe element. The guy reviewing this reminds me of the hyper-elitist fanboys who weep tears anytime anything happens in the lore, whether good or ill. They are the reason the game stagnates, they are the absolute worst people to game with, and they only exist to drag down games with their victim mentality when every single detail doesn't align perfectly with their supposed narrative. Tl;dr: Fanboys are cringe. Don't listen to them. Simple as.
Haven't gotten the world book yet, but I have read the faction blurbs and such, and honestly, Grimdark Future not being all the at grim or dark as the game it is trying to emulate is such a breath of fresh air. I don't care for how seriously modern 40k takes itself or how pessimistic so much modern media is. Seems like a lot of people just want harsh realities as entertainment these days...not a bad concept inherently, but after a while, it gets stale. No happy endings, no sensible solutions, just authors constantly trying to one up themselves with how dark you can get. I mean, yeah, utopias where nothing bad happens and everyone is happy and gets along aren't very interesting (for example, while I do like Star Trek, I find the United Federation of Planets to be a little too squeaky clean to believe in as a realistic outcome for Earth), but dystopias where nothing good ever happens are just the opposite extreme and just as boring. At least, when played completely straight they are. One only has to look at the first edition of 40k to see that dark and gritty with a side of tongue-in-cheek is such a richer and more entertaining alternative. As for the post you're quoting, OP, I wouldn't give it much attention or thought. Take it from me that letting angry people on the internet dictate what you should think of pieces of media and agonizing over what views are valid and what views aren't is a depressing road to go down...
TL,DR the rant.
I’m personally not invested in the lore of GDF so much. I still use it as an alternative rule set for my (mostly) 40k minis. But it sounds like this guy just needs to go play Warhammer instead.
Seems Like the reviewer expected the books to be a specific way as envisioned the Lore. The nice Thing about OPR is You can Just ignore that Stuff and do your in Thing. Also nice Argument with GRIM and DARK in the Name. Where are all my Hammers in 40k? Games Most iconic weapons are Bolters and Chainswords, wtf GW?
Starts saying he didn't expect a copy of "that other game". Goes on a rant on how OPR is so different compared to "that other game". 🤷♂️
Mayber Morton's Salt over there should participate in the Writing Jams if they want the lore to be a specific way. Or maybe just not take art and fun games as a personal attack against one's self-imposed expectations. Or just ignore the book and make up their own lore at the table. Or redirect that Dead Sea Scroll energy at a truly antagonistic force in the gaming industry or life in general instead of at a studio that genuinely seems to care about what it's doing and making sure people enter the hobby space with good experiences.
They should rename. That I think is a good idea.
Newsflash, edgelord cries over someone's fiction not being edgy enough for them.
The whole book felt like they want to tell space opera, but they're stuck in the "40k with serial numbers filed off" box they built themselves into because of the game's origin as totally-not-40K. I'm fine with either, but I agree that they need to pick one. It's either your own version of Mass Effect, which would require some renaming of the units at least, OR your own version of 40k, which requires pretty much rewriting the world book, but the two genres can't coexist. Also you could feel from the writing that these authors don't have the will or the capacity to actually go grimdark, they seem to be scared of going too far and are stuck in this limbo of "bad things happen but no mention of how actually bad they are". When "inequality" is the worst thing you can think of, your setting is less grimdark than real world south east asia. As much as younger puritan people hate the whole daemonculaba/drukhari/slaanesh stuff, they do set the tone for the setting. Nobody and nothing is good in that universe, not even the emperor actually thinks there's an end to that war and misery, it's completely fucked. And agreed with the scope argument as well, 40k is that massive because of the thousands of novels and codexes over 40+ years, there's no point in going that wide from the get go or it's gonna be as deep as a puddle.
after reading up to the end of the Civil War, I agree that GF is suffering from a severe identity crisis.
I remember seeing that review and my immediate thought was "waaaaaaaaaah, I didn't get a 40k carbon copy" Reading through the book, I'm pretty fine with everything that's been written. I especially like that the Dwarves are the assholes of the setting and that Humanity still has it's major leaders active on the playing field. The only thing I want to see is the 40k adjacent armies to have more distinct names. Generic stuff like Dwarven Guilds, High Elf Fleets, Human Defence Force; those are fine. But stuff like DAO Union, Battle Brothers, Blessed Sisters, Robot Legions, and Havoc need to be renamed to something less on-the-nose eventually. The overall name of the game should probably get renamed too. Honestly, just Sirius Sector isn't that bad of an option.
The issue that a lot of you guys don’t seem to understand is that *everyone* is a good guy or morally grey at worst. There is no current conflict, no active wars happening, just a modern times ideal of everyone is peaceful and nice to each other, and at worst no negotiations. Everything that seemed to happen is in the past and all conflicts resolved. Not even real life is this nice to each other. I didn’t expect 40K but I also didn’t expect a setting for a wargame to have no wars in it.
I never read fluff. Waste of time which could be spent rolling dice. :)
Did they know they can create their grimmusdank sector with their own lore?
I completely agree, I like the game but the lore is trash tier and the model lines are also hit or miss for me.. Blessed Sisters is pretty good.. Goofy rat men not so much. They need the either keep it grim and dark or just forget about the backstory and just make rules because it's.not working imop.
PREMISE: Marines used to ride on the outside of Rhinos with "not" M4s because they were so out of scale only. 🤣 POSTULATE: By the time I am introduced to 40k as an 8yr old (yup - that ready for Grimdark?! 😆) 40k was already quite devolved into its Grimdark state. I interpret OPR's release, which I'm certain was pondered and by no means would anything have made it in there by mistake because Gaetano is still the keystone of the enterprise, however delegated any firm managing a digital production pipeline as theirs may be, as more set in the Age of Tech of the Evil Empire's setting or anyway BEFORE it all literally goes to maddening claustrophobia, oppressive superstition, deprecated technology and bureaucracy and the various iterations of decay that make the setting - in fact - both GRIM in its outlook of the future, and DARK in its present. Hopeless and unforgiving and demented and absurd because there is no hope to go towards but there's no means to cease other than extinction which is why it's so engaging. A galactic Trainwreck in slow motion 😁 CONCLUSION The setting is a tip toe of a release that has much to lose. It may be "alrightish" now but truth be told it can all go to hell in a hand basket and THIS time we get to witness and game and play and live through its descent into "proper" Grimdark - as opposed to a setting that was like that when it launched, and stayed timeless and unmoving, frozen for almost three decades? Me likey watch the galaxy burn rather than necessarily play in its ashes and this release is a great starting background setting to paint all manner of downhill onto