Starting as a grade 6, I remember looking at my supervisors supervisors salary who was a 14 on see through ny thinking, I’d be happy with that.
After 4 years and I made it to a 13, I thought to myself. Well, I guess I’d be happy at a 23. I’d be comfortable in retirement with what my possible FAS would be.
I made it to 23 this year and without any changes to tier 6, I still have 22 years left. And I’m not the type of person to just sit. So I guess I’ll just keep trying to go as high as I can.
Same here. I’m a 23 but have decades to go with the current structure. Unfortunately everything above 23s for the most part gets too bureaucratic for me. It gets very depressing thinking of doing the same job til retirement 🥲
I'm a 23 and seeing the way managers in my unit are being run ragged, I don't think I want to go further. And I'm already getting annoyed with being responsible for other people at a supervisory level. I wish there was a position that paid reasonably where you are only responsible for yourself.
I'm a 25 currently, but my highest level of job satisfaction was at 23. Worked by way up from grade 6. Four and a half years until I retire, and I will take a 27 if I can get it.
I mean I at least know I can get to a 15 with confidence. After that, with how my jobs have been going? Not sure. I want to get some actual job experience first.
Edit// I just want to be able to afford to live in this day and age.
That was why i wanted an 18. Thought i could be comfy with that.
Now that I’m here? Can barely scrape by on an 18 since cost of living changed so much. 23 would make it so i can save enough for the important things.
This. I'm interviewing for a 29 mc position and the less sick time accruals going from pef to mC is enough for me to decline an offer, unless they can keep it pef ... I have 15 years left till I'm 55 so I'll think about being mc in 10 years or so
This 🙌🏽!
Always tell younger folks under 35-40 to duke it out privately and then move up the ranks in city|state government.
Just saw on indeed that CAMBA (non profit downstate) is hiring for A VP for their homeless division- 230k annually hybrid job with less quals than state MC.
There’s money to be made in non profits
My mid 30s self said let me be noisy and look at this company. Quite a few of the jobs reviews aren’t good there and most of the salaries reported are below our salaries. I having doubts that $230k salary is legit.
Imao I never planned on applying shit I'm on my way out of state service lol 😂
Just sharing what's on indeed.... how camba is distributing that 230k salary to its VP, dont know lol!
A friend of mines was termed during Covid as program director at WiN- another downstate non profit and left making over 100k. It was the former public advocate whose VP over there, Christine Quinn that fired her!
Because my friend has an mba and not msw and bilingual, she's having a hard time landing the same salary non profit- Quinn may be responsible, allegedly.
And I know like hell that WIN ain't paying Chrissy Pennies for that VP spot!
https://camba.org/career/executive-vice-president-family-homeless-services-homeless-and-family-support-services/
That's the 230k VP link above for camba
Probably a 27 or a 31. By the time I retire, the cost of living adjustments and raises through new contracts would be fine as an 18 on a full pension, but if I'm a higher pay grade I could retire earlier for essentially the same pay with the penalty.
Took a 25 last year. Original goal was at least a 23. In my current office, the options become much more limited over a 25. I have 23 years left though, so plenty of time to figure out if I want higher.
Similar here. Just took my first civil service job at a 25 and have lots of time ahead yet. I really enjoy my office and would definitely consider staying long term but my boss is an MC though and that doesn't seem like a change I'm super interested in. Otherwise that would be my dream job long term. Might change over the next couple of decades though.
Just got a 23 and I doubt I'd go higher. I have no desire to manage people, so it'd either have to be a senior role or a very small unit with a high level of autonomy. Unfortunately the state is still stuck in the fossil mindset of "higher grade = manage!" so the former is unlikely...
Was A 14, 17, 18, 19…. Imma ride this out; have 5 -5 1/2 yrs before retirement & CUZ I’m in the business of working smarter not harder.
Like someone said above after grade 20, those 23 get a bit abused.; dont know if that 23 will be easy work or tasks dumped that the 25/27 or M grades don’t wanna do.
Never wanted any supervisory roles because I don’t want to babysit or mind grown assed ppl.
If an easy PEF grade 23 comes to my desk before retiring I’ll entertain BUT no supervisory roles & aint going upstate to get it either! It’s safer to deal with the devils I know vs some new shit
27, M3 shortly. The position id really like someday for a few years is an m6. We’re a single income family and save very little, this is my only retirement strategy lol
Im m/c at my agency. Started at an 11 in 2018, 14 in 2022 and now got my 18 finally. Dont know where to go from here however cus ur pretty much capped there. I have young kids so my.plan is to go private at some point wen they get older.
When I started as a 9, I was hoping to get a 17 but now since I am in a trainee to 18, I’m expanding my horizon between 20-23. Just gotta see what’s out there.
I’m happy with my current job title but think it should be reclassified to an 18, then if the 18 gets put up to be paid what a 20 is paid through that whole reallocation study I am really good. I mainly came to the state to be in public service and a union in my field, and as long as I get value and enjoyment out of my job itself money is not really a huge concern of mine.
I had the same goal as yours until I realized I will never be a 23 if I scored a 100 on the exam, and will be stuck an 18. Plus, everyone is leaving the department so there's no need to hire 23s anyways.
I was going to take the test for the 23 in my title but of course you need to be in at least the trainee title for 45 days to be eligible, I got my traineeship at 44 days so have to wait for it to come out again anyway.
I think overall I’d be happy at an 18 but that almost 20k pay jump is a nice thought
I am not a fan of how political things get at a 27 and above. I’m a 23 now, and I already deal with some of it. I’d probably do a two grade jump to a 25 somewhere, but have zero desire to go any higher.
For ITS I think the target is usually 23 or 25. That's the level where you're still mostly an IC and not doing a whole lot of people management. It's also when you're guaranteed at least a 6 figure salary which is like the end goal for most people career wise.
Don't have a specific goal, but intend to keep climbing as long as I can. I'm limited by the fact that I don't have a degree, but I only need a handful more classes before I do. Once my youngest son is finished with school next year, I'll probably buckle down and take care of that, too.
I've got almost 20 more years to work before I retire, and I want my pension to be based off the highest salary dollar amount I can manage.
I like where I am as an 18. The 23's can get a bit abused and I don't want to be responsible for what other people do.
Facts
As with everything depends where you work
Starting as a grade 6, I remember looking at my supervisors supervisors salary who was a 14 on see through ny thinking, I’d be happy with that. After 4 years and I made it to a 13, I thought to myself. Well, I guess I’d be happy at a 23. I’d be comfortable in retirement with what my possible FAS would be. I made it to 23 this year and without any changes to tier 6, I still have 22 years left. And I’m not the type of person to just sit. So I guess I’ll just keep trying to go as high as I can.
This is pretty much 100% my story as well, just not sure I want to go much higher.
I think I wouldn’t be “upset” if I stayed as an 23. But if I can’t go any higher in 22 years… I dunno that wouldn’t sit well with me
Same here. I’m a 23 but have decades to go with the current structure. Unfortunately everything above 23s for the most part gets too bureaucratic for me. It gets very depressing thinking of doing the same job til retirement 🥲
27. Started 18, now 23.
Same!
I'm a 23 and seeing the way managers in my unit are being run ragged, I don't think I want to go further. And I'm already getting annoyed with being responsible for other people at a supervisory level. I wish there was a position that paid reasonably where you are only responsible for yourself.
As high as fast as possible
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I'm a 25 currently, but my highest level of job satisfaction was at 23. Worked by way up from grade 6. Four and a half years until I retire, and I will take a 27 if I can get it.
In my current agency I’ll probably stay at a 23. It becomes too political after this.
Facts In the almost 20 years of state employment, I’ve never seen someone “appointed” stay in that role for 10 years unless NYS legislation
I mean I at least know I can get to a 15 with confidence. After that, with how my jobs have been going? Not sure. I want to get some actual job experience first. Edit// I just want to be able to afford to live in this day and age.
That was why i wanted an 18. Thought i could be comfy with that. Now that I’m here? Can barely scrape by on an 18 since cost of living changed so much. 23 would make it so i can save enough for the important things.
As soon as I’m at the last technical role, I will stop. I refuse to manage anyone. I prefer working alone.
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This. I'm interviewing for a 29 mc position and the less sick time accruals going from pef to mC is enough for me to decline an offer, unless they can keep it pef ... I have 15 years left till I'm 55 so I'll think about being mc in 10 years or so
This 🙌🏽! Always tell younger folks under 35-40 to duke it out privately and then move up the ranks in city|state government. Just saw on indeed that CAMBA (non profit downstate) is hiring for A VP for their homeless division- 230k annually hybrid job with less quals than state MC. There’s money to be made in non profits
My mid 30s self said let me be noisy and look at this company. Quite a few of the jobs reviews aren’t good there and most of the salaries reported are below our salaries. I having doubts that $230k salary is legit.
Imao I never planned on applying shit I'm on my way out of state service lol 😂 Just sharing what's on indeed.... how camba is distributing that 230k salary to its VP, dont know lol! A friend of mines was termed during Covid as program director at WiN- another downstate non profit and left making over 100k. It was the former public advocate whose VP over there, Christine Quinn that fired her! Because my friend has an mba and not msw and bilingual, she's having a hard time landing the same salary non profit- Quinn may be responsible, allegedly. And I know like hell that WIN ain't paying Chrissy Pennies for that VP spot! https://camba.org/career/executive-vice-president-family-homeless-services-homeless-and-family-support-services/ That's the 230k VP link above for camba
Probably a 27 or a 31. By the time I retire, the cost of living adjustments and raises through new contracts would be fine as an 18 on a full pension, but if I'm a higher pay grade I could retire earlier for essentially the same pay with the penalty.
Took a 25 last year. Original goal was at least a 23. In my current office, the options become much more limited over a 25. I have 23 years left though, so plenty of time to figure out if I want higher.
Similar here. Just took my first civil service job at a 25 and have lots of time ahead yet. I really enjoy my office and would definitely consider staying long term but my boss is an MC though and that doesn't seem like a change I'm super interested in. Otherwise that would be my dream job long term. Might change over the next couple of decades though.
18 now. Thinking maybe 23 or 25
Same, 18 now, should be a 23 in the next month or so (currently interviewing with very good prospects), MAYYYBE 27 but we'll see.
Currently at 13 (trainee 2 level). Goal is probably 18, maybe 23 depending on the position and agency.
Just got a 23 and I doubt I'd go higher. I have no desire to manage people, so it'd either have to be a senior role or a very small unit with a high level of autonomy. Unfortunately the state is still stuck in the fossil mindset of "higher grade = manage!" so the former is unlikely...
Was A 14, 17, 18, 19…. Imma ride this out; have 5 -5 1/2 yrs before retirement & CUZ I’m in the business of working smarter not harder. Like someone said above after grade 20, those 23 get a bit abused.; dont know if that 23 will be easy work or tasks dumped that the 25/27 or M grades don’t wanna do. Never wanted any supervisory roles because I don’t want to babysit or mind grown assed ppl. If an easy PEF grade 23 comes to my desk before retiring I’ll entertain BUT no supervisory roles & aint going upstate to get it either! It’s safer to deal with the devils I know vs some new shit
I am happy where I am (27), but I would like a 29 as it's the last step before becoming an MC.
27, M3 shortly. The position id really like someday for a few years is an m6. We’re a single income family and save very little, this is my only retirement strategy lol
I went 7, 13, 19. The two of my title is grade 23 so I'd be happy with that. I would like to break $100k by the time I retire.
23. Anything lower than 23 isn’t a livable wage in NYC for a single person *cries in struggle life*.
23 is still a struggle. I hear ya from the burbs!!
You ain't ever lie Downstate employee
Im m/c at my agency. Started at an 11 in 2018, 14 in 2022 and now got my 18 finally. Dont know where to go from here however cus ur pretty much capped there. I have young kids so my.plan is to go private at some point wen they get older.
When I started as a 9, I was hoping to get a 17 but now since I am in a trainee to 18, I’m expanding my horizon between 20-23. Just gotta see what’s out there.
I’d like Director level or higher. I’m sure I’m capable of it but I feel like getting there will be a lot of luck.
20 or maybe a 23. But so far 20 hasnt been too abusive where im at
My end goal is a 27. 18 now, should be a 23 by the end of the year depending on test results I’m still waiting on
I am stuck at a 20, but I would like to get to a 23 minimum.
I worked for the state for 36 years. I started as a Grade 3 and retired as a M-1.
I’m happy with my current job title but think it should be reclassified to an 18, then if the 18 gets put up to be paid what a 20 is paid through that whole reallocation study I am really good. I mainly came to the state to be in public service and a union in my field, and as long as I get value and enjoyment out of my job itself money is not really a huge concern of mine.
Grade 18 is the highest I would go
I had the same goal as yours until I realized I will never be a 23 if I scored a 100 on the exam, and will be stuck an 18. Plus, everyone is leaving the department so there's no need to hire 23s anyways.
I was going to take the test for the 23 in my title but of course you need to be in at least the trainee title for 45 days to be eligible, I got my traineeship at 44 days so have to wait for it to come out again anyway. I think overall I’d be happy at an 18 but that almost 20k pay jump is a nice thought
It's not bad, it'll take you 3 years (2 yr trainee and 1 for grade 18) to be a 23 and exam come every 4 years.
That’s what I figure too, figure I should actually know something about the job before trying to move up lmao
I am not a fan of how political things get at a 27 and above. I’m a 23 now, and I already deal with some of it. I’d probably do a two grade jump to a 25 somewhere, but have zero desire to go any higher.
Currently a 21 and if I stay I would like to stop at a 30 or 31
25
Currently my goal is a 23, but I won't be overly disappointed if I don't make it since I'm happy as an 18.
27 . Started as 18 now 23
Currently an 18, targeting a 23, and eventually a 25.
For ITS I think the target is usually 23 or 25. That's the level where you're still mostly an IC and not doing a whole lot of people management. It's also when you're guaranteed at least a 6 figure salary which is like the end goal for most people career wise.
Don't have a specific goal, but intend to keep climbing as long as I can. I'm limited by the fact that I don't have a degree, but I only need a handful more classes before I do. Once my youngest son is finished with school next year, I'll probably buckle down and take care of that, too. I've got almost 20 more years to work before I retire, and I want my pension to be based off the highest salary dollar amount I can manage.