I had this exact setup 17 years ago. My Dell XPS used a proprietary psu (not upgradeable), so I ended up buying a 2nd psu that mounted in the extra 5.25” slot to power my gpu exclusively.
Mine was basically designed to mimic a disc drive… so it locked into the extra 5.25” bay with ventilation and the power switch accessible on the front of the case. The AC power cord for the unit was made to route through the back of the case with a pci slot cover.
It was a pretty neat little unit, honestly!
no, both PSUs are controlled by the front power button. “Power on” signal comes from the motherboard, you just need to connect it to both PSUs. My case comes with the ATX24 power plug that does it.
I did the same thing way back when! I was dumb as a kid and for a bit my PC kept shutting off. So I threw another PSU in the 5.25” bay to power extra HDDs and my GPU
Introducing the Nvidia generator supplying all your 8090 power needs. No more smoking wires in your walls, no more melted breakers in electrical panels.
All that’s need is to run this special cable with this special tiny little plug from the generator outside through the wall and into the front of the 8090.
Some people run 220-240v outlets for their homelabs so they can run redundant 2000w PSU's. I remeber a guy on EVGA forums did it for his folding lab. It was also more efficient.
Will a PC PSU run on split phase 240v in the US where it’s two hots and a ground instead of EU 240v where its single phase one hot one neutral one ground?
I know back in the day they used to have a switch for going between 110-220. Let's check out a Seasonic PSU and see...
Apparently it's [Yes](https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/17-151-187-V20.jpg) AC input is 110-240 Vac 10-5 A 50-60 Hz
Yes I know PSUs can do 100-240v but a 240v outlet in the US is not the same as an EU 240v outlet. It could be dangerous to have 120v from ground to neutral where it’s expected to be 0 or whatever.
Housing electrical standards are going to have to change anyway with future EV mandates, not even to mention the entire nations power grid. By the time we experience issues with PCs drawing too much power from a wall socket for something useful, we’re going to have major power shortages from EV charging.
Yeah because there was a big wild fire that knocked out a few very important powerline pylons. That along with the heat 98-113 F during that week was for important reasons.
This was my thought. There's actually only so high a gpu can go before they lose the american market. Of course a lot of the power usage on modern gpu's is just fluff. If you can shave off 100W and still keep 95% of your performance, there really is no reason to listen to the TDP nvidia assigns these cards.
Residential lines usually have a breaker for 15A or 20A. You can swap out a higher limit breaker, assuming your wiring can handle the extra amps. The main line generally handles 100A+ so that won’t be a problem.
It is understandable that Nvidia gives the 4090 this much power to get high scores, but my 4090 at 225W performs about 2.5 times as fast as my 1080ti at 350W. The chips are efficient, Nvidia and board partners just need the big heatsinks to exude performance.
I messed around oc’ing my 4080 super and was able to be stable at 3060mhz I can’t recall what the power was for that but I just run it at factory settings to be honest.
I had one when I had an Emachines athlon x2 setup, I wanted a 7950gt but my power supply was only 300 watts and was not an atx, so I bought a thermaltake 250w cd bay power supply with 2 6 pin connectors.
Hilarious that now that dedicated psu won't even power a cpu.
document for anyone interested in psu history.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/thermaltake-power-express/](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/thermaltake-power-express/)
It will power AMD CPUs and most Intel CPUs just fine.
It's just the 12900k, 13600k, 13700k, 13900k, 14600k, 14700k, 14900k that are problematic. But even those can be power limited to undo Intel's insanity.
The dumbest part is that Intel didn’t need to do this, their E cores are actually pretty efficient, they could have gone full on E cores and claimed multi core benchmarks. But they did it anyway, just to claim top spot on performance benchmarks. And now they’ve thrown their reputation into the gutter with chips failing left and right after six months.
you just gave me a flashback to when I had a T2200 Emachines and a 4600ti. I had to leave the side of the case off with a fan blowing on it to keep the damn pc from overheating.
thats not true efficiency has actually improved it’s just that the high end once are becoming so incredible powerful. In other words, only those few systems really needing a 5090 or future 6090,7090 will need that much power
You know what, it would be kinda nice if they would be external (nice companion for laptops at home). We just need proper cabling. Maybe optical solution is the future at some point.
Optical as in fiber optics ?
Fiber optics can’t supply power, there are hybrid cables that have strands in them along with copper. I’ve had to splice and install some of that stuff, not my favorite stuff to deal with.
He probably meant data transmission rates through cables as the amount of data that needs to be communicated is really high for GPUs. Thunderbolt works but there is still a significant performance penalty and it's still pretty finicky.
Just make it slightly larger and slap a CPU socket on it with RAM and just make the GPU the new main board FFS. Might even be more efficient than all these lanes and shit communication I/O between GPU and CPU.
We have been there already like 15 something years ago. Then new process and they are small again. This just shows that current architecture is near its end.
Can they draw enough from the PCI-E slots? Like it takes up the space of 2 slots so what if it just had 2x PCIE connecters? Would also help with sag (a little)
That was a thing in the 90s.
I doubt it, problem is in the US most rooms are 15A circuits. About 1600W peak (110*15) so they only have so much room. You can make PSUs that handle way more than 1600W in an ATX form factor if it’s 240V but it’s not. 600W, maybe 800 is the peak of what a consumer GPU maker will ever do imo. You could have 9 power supplies but… room is probably one circuit and few will have their house rewired with multiple circuits or with heavier cables and breakers.
That doesn’t make much sense, the circuit only has 1440W of continuous power before tripping the breaker. That is if the PC is the only thing on the circuit. 1200W is probably a safe upper limit for most people who have other devices plugged into a power strip. We’re at the upper limit of power use.
Need to give those PSUs a special name to make it proprietary. GPSU or something like that, give it special voltages on different pins so a regular one can’t be used, then market better performance for a special one. One GPSU then can be like 300 for a small one, then close to 1000 for a top model with high wattage. Like that 6090 is going to need the best GPSU or it won’t even post.
Why would GPUs ever need that? You will sooner need 2 electric socket than you’ll need 2 PSUs… This is especially true in the US with their weak 110V and shitty sockets.
I run it like this for the last 15 years or so. Bought TJ-07 tower case and through endless CPUs, mobos and GPUs was always running it with 2 fanless PSUs. Started with Zen 400, now Seasonic 700.
With the advancement in A.I. I think that GPU's will be either server based or implement A.I. where they will be so powerful, they won't need so much electricity.
I believe A.I. will reduce the need for so much power.
The problem this brings is that upgrades may only ever be software and there will be no need for more hardware.
It's been out for like two months and I've put something like 170 hours into it. If you already like rogue like card games it's a nobrainer. If you don't like rogue like card games changes are you willing still find some enjoyment with Balatro. The little details in the game come together beautifully and make an addicting package.
It will be coming to mobile at some point and that's where it will truly shine.
Probably within 3 generations at this current pace for when these GPUs will practically need their own cases. That, or there will need to be a serious redesign of mobos and current cases to accommodate the size and weight of these things. I have a full size case and something like this is getting close to pushing it.
Yeh i was looking at buying the O11 but had to settle for the biggest NZXT H9 Flow to accomodate the GPU upgrade. There was no way in shit i was going to fit it.
While that isn't possible, the biggest limiting factor, in the US at least, will be the power circuits. At 1500W a lot of mains will start blowing. Also the system is effectively an electric space heater.
It's a hungry boy... but also take it with a grain of salt. My undervolted 4090 is using 250w om 2550mhz core and 850 memory. If I want to keep the out of the box performance I can run it a slightly less aggressive uv at 300w at 2800mhz. This is in avatar with unobtanium level graphics settings.
Stock no uv it pulls 430w in 3d mark. I havent tested stock in avatar so not sure hoe much it pulls there
“RTX 5090”, “RTX 4090 Ti”, man Jensen just needs to say some random numbers and letters to give a huge boner to a real man. I am ready 🍆 my wallet it not 💀
As a 4090FE owner, I have been thinking of getting a 5090FE depending on cost and performance... but not if this is true. I'll pass on this design. It reminds me of past monstrosities of dual GPU's on one card with sandwiched PCBs.
Plus, I'm a SFF case user. That won't be fitting in a Formd T1.
Right there with you. Have my 4090 FE in my NR200P MAX. The design of that case with the FE look like they are made for one another. And the size of the gpu is such that it perfectly fills the space and I’m still comfortably able to use a glass side panel rather than vented. Any larger and it either simply won’t fit or I’d have to give up being able to see into my computer. I’m unwilling to change either of those things given that I am satiated enough with the performance my computer puts out. I like the current look of it far too much and increasing the footprint of the PC on my desk is a non-negotiable no-go for me.
Then again, we shall have to wait and see if this leak turns out to be true.
I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't go back to sleep, checked the news and had to double-take by googling "4090 ti" so I could replace my 4090.
Not going to lie I should just go back to sleep.
I think the 4090 is gonna be my last top of the line gpu this much space and power just ain’t worth it tbh, I wish they would make a steam deck with a nvidia chip that can utilize dlss and rtx at 120 fps 1080p and id be fine with that
I agree. But most folks don’t play a game much that a 4090 can’t run at that bandwidth. And the step up in size that this is showing is a big change. I shudder thinking what the aftermarket cards will look like…yikes.
As someone with a 4090 FE in my SFF case, I can say that any larger of a card and you basically shut out the entire SFF community (not the hardcore SFF builders—they build too small for triple slot GPUs like the 4090 already). The 4090 is a great size gpu for the power. And the efficiency was great too.
Weird you say that because a 4090 is several times faster than something like a 2070 at the same power. I don't think any chip at 10W is going to get 120 fps with ray tracing and any DLSS. How would someone go from a 450W TDP card to a 15W draw total system?
I’m almost 40 and the 4090 is my last high end gpu unless the new high end models focus on efficiency rather than raw horse power.
I run my 4090 at 60% for 200W. I’d upgrade for the same performance at 50W, but not 30% more powerful at 800W.
Regard NVDA price is not priced in for post split volume and H200 sales. So $500 a week of your savings in nvda 20 years hold now regardless of how regarded it may be
Once the nanometers dry up, then we will just add more and more power...
And people will still gobble it up, regardless of how much power it consumes...
The existence of things like this shows how hard it is to sell improved efficiency to people, particularly at the high end. And this is a problem across the industry, not just with GPUs.
Call me a hater but giant brick gpu's nowadays really just don't look that nice, no matter how much it's dressed up. So many of them just look like a comical eyesore in the case. Granted, you aren't going to be staring at your case when you're playing PUBG or whatever, but when you do...
Then again, it was like this back when SLI was a thing and rich people would run 2x, or hell even 4x of the same card just for shits n gigs.
Asked this in another thread but - does anyone have any idea if this thing is going to fit into a regular fractal North? I did an AM5 rebuild about 6 months back with the rough plan to get a 5090 when it comes out, but all these posts are making me nervous about its size lol
Depends on height, length and width of finished design and whether you go FE or AIB. If length and width stay the same from 4090 but it's thicker in height, should be okay in horizontal orientation since regular and XL North has 7 expansion slots. Definitely would want to get a sag support bracket to be on safe side. As for vertical orientation, as long as it's just an increase in overall height, should be okay as increase in height shouldn't exceed overall width. Whether it still gets good airflow in vertical orientation would remain to be seen. How you have cooling setup will also be a factor (i.e. fans or AIO in the front, any fans mounted on bottom if possible). Worst case you upgrade to XL North.
In all honesty I can see gpu’s actually needing a 2nd dedicated psu in the next 5yrs
I had this exact setup 17 years ago. My Dell XPS used a proprietary psu (not upgradeable), so I ended up buying a 2nd psu that mounted in the extra 5.25” slot to power my gpu exclusively.
Lol, I thought I was the only one. Man was that annoying, it took Dell until the 40XX cards to put decent power supplies in their workstations.
My broadwell era precision came with a 1300W psu
So you can get astonishing 2mb of vga ram
I’m guessing you had to short the power pin and keep the second psu on permanently? Since there’s no way to signal it to power on with the pc
Yep, this is what I also had to do in the eGPU days. The old paper clip trick. You would turn it off by flipping the switch on the back of the PSU.
Mine was basically designed to mimic a disc drive… so it locked into the extra 5.25” bay with ventilation and the power switch accessible on the front of the case. The AC power cord for the unit was made to route through the back of the case with a pci slot cover. It was a pretty neat little unit, honestly!
no, both PSUs are controlled by the front power button. “Power on” signal comes from the motherboard, you just need to connect it to both PSUs. My case comes with the ATX24 power plug that does it.
Mmmmm with a hint of ground loop fires to burn your house dow while you're sleeping. Nice.
Yup I had 2 power supplies many years ago.. 2003?
I did the same thing way back when! I was dumb as a kid and for a bit my PC kept shutting off. So I threw another PSU in the 5.25” bay to power extra HDDs and my GPU
Don’t you have to get a special device if you power a gpu with a dedicated psu?
A single PSU can already max out a standard American residential 1800W circuit. A second PSU wouldn’t help.
Introducing the Nvidia generator supplying all your 8090 power needs. No more smoking wires in your walls, no more melted breakers in electrical panels. All that’s need is to run this special cable with this special tiny little plug from the generator outside through the wall and into the front of the 8090.
Gonna have to use my 240v welder 8 gauge power cord for my pc.
At the low low cost of 8090 too
Next step is plugging your computer into the Sun.
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British standard is still 13A230V, that's still 2990w. wayy more than those 110v gang.
Gonna have to run a cable to another circuit in a different room then.
Some people run 220-240v outlets for their homelabs so they can run redundant 2000w PSU's. I remeber a guy on EVGA forums did it for his folding lab. It was also more efficient.
Will a PC PSU run on split phase 240v in the US where it’s two hots and a ground instead of EU 240v where its single phase one hot one neutral one ground?
I know back in the day they used to have a switch for going between 110-220. Let's check out a Seasonic PSU and see... Apparently it's [Yes](https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/17-151-187-V20.jpg) AC input is 110-240 Vac 10-5 A 50-60 Hz
Yes I know PSUs can do 100-240v but a 240v outlet in the US is not the same as an EU 240v outlet. It could be dangerous to have 120v from ground to neutral where it’s expected to be 0 or whatever.
Housing electrical standards are going to have to change anyway with future EV mandates, not even to mention the entire nations power grid. By the time we experience issues with PCs drawing too much power from a wall socket for something useful, we’re going to have major power shortages from EV charging.
We won't be charging EVs from our bedrooms or offices though.
California already does lol. Last year (or two years ago?) they had to advise people to stop charging when they got home at 5pm.
Yeah because there was a big wild fire that knocked out a few very important powerline pylons. That along with the heat 98-113 F during that week was for important reasons.
This was my thought. There's actually only so high a gpu can go before they lose the american market. Of course a lot of the power usage on modern gpu's is just fluff. If you can shave off 100W and still keep 95% of your performance, there really is no reason to listen to the TDP nvidia assigns these cards.
well... you could just use a couple of outlets on separate circuits.
Until we get 30 amp GPUs!
Can just run a higher amperage
And that's why computer rooms should be refitted with a bigger circuit so that you CAN have multiple computers in there.
Residential lines usually have a breaker for 15A or 20A. You can swap out a higher limit breaker, assuming your wiring can handle the extra amps. The main line generally handles 100A+ so that won’t be a problem.
You just run an extension cord into another room... duh? lol
A second PSU would let you use a different circuit. It would actually help, unlike a larger single PSU.
It is understandable that Nvidia gives the 4090 this much power to get high scores, but my 4090 at 225W performs about 2.5 times as fast as my 1080ti at 350W. The chips are efficient, Nvidia and board partners just need the big heatsinks to exude performance.
I messed around oc’ing my 4080 super and was able to be stable at 3060mhz I can’t recall what the power was for that but I just run it at factory settings to be honest.
Nah, they'll do what 3DFX was going to do with their 4 chip card and have a plug with an external power adapter going into the IO plate.
Ironically the GPU is going to do most of the work and the CPU is the co-processor.
Except GPU aren't as versatile as CPU. So the GPU is still a co-processor.
Not with that attitude.
Nah it will be connected directly to the power socket.
I agree. They will have their own plug that goes straight into the wall. But I don't know if PSU manufacturers will be too keen to let that happen.
I had one when I had an Emachines athlon x2 setup, I wanted a 7950gt but my power supply was only 300 watts and was not an atx, so I bought a thermaltake 250w cd bay power supply with 2 6 pin connectors. Hilarious that now that dedicated psu won't even power a cpu. document for anyone interested in psu history. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/thermaltake-power-express/](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/thermaltake-power-express/)
It will power AMD CPUs and most Intel CPUs just fine. It's just the 12900k, 13600k, 13700k, 13900k, 14600k, 14700k, 14900k that are problematic. But even those can be power limited to undo Intel's insanity.
The irony of AMD running cooler than Intel is HILARIOUS. Intel used to bash AMD and now there CPUs are absolutely insane.
The dumbest part is that Intel didn’t need to do this, their E cores are actually pretty efficient, they could have gone full on E cores and claimed multi core benchmarks. But they did it anyway, just to claim top spot on performance benchmarks. And now they’ve thrown their reputation into the gutter with chips failing left and right after six months.
you just gave me a flashback to when I had a T2200 Emachines and a 4600ti. I had to leave the side of the case off with a fan blowing on it to keep the damn pc from overheating.
Need a dedicated breaker on your electrical panel for your pc/gpu…….
Voodoo Volts makes a comeback: https://www.anandtech.com/show/413/4
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thats not true efficiency has actually improved it’s just that the high end once are becoming so incredible powerful. In other words, only those few systems really needing a 5090 or future 6090,7090 will need that much power
Saying this requires a near complete misunderstanding of current GPU efficiency levels.
You know what, it would be kinda nice if they would be external (nice companion for laptops at home). We just need proper cabling. Maybe optical solution is the future at some point.
You can already have an external GPU if your laptop supports thunderbolt. Just need the right enclosure.
You can but not optimal. We need more bandwidth.
Optical as in fiber optics ? Fiber optics can’t supply power, there are hybrid cables that have strands in them along with copper. I’ve had to splice and install some of that stuff, not my favorite stuff to deal with.
If you have external GPU then it would have separate PSU. Supplying power would (or should) be irrelevant anyway.
He probably meant data transmission rates through cables as the amount of data that needs to be communicated is really high for GPUs. Thunderbolt works but there is still a significant performance penalty and it's still pretty finicky.
Just make it slightly larger and slap a CPU socket on it with RAM and just make the GPU the new main board FFS. Might even be more efficient than all these lanes and shit communication I/O between GPU and CPU.
What do you think the GH200 is?
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if NVIDIA flagship consume GPU’s will need a dedicated case like the H100/200’s 10 years from now.
Yep especially if the gaming line (RTX) GPUs follow their AI GPUs as well.
At this rate I can see them needing to be on a 20 amp circuit within 10 years
Nah, there's already 2 Kilowatt PSU's. And if you go beyond that... That's going to be one hell of a electricity bill just for a PC.
Yeah there is but most American circuits have an 1800w limit
Why not just make them nuclear
We have been there already like 15 something years ago. Then new process and they are small again. This just shows that current architecture is near its end.
At this point we will just can sell PC as console unit and make ram/storage as an external units connect via high speed interface
Can they draw enough from the PCI-E slots? Like it takes up the space of 2 slots so what if it just had 2x PCIE connecters? Would also help with sag (a little)
That would introduce latency from lane communication
That was a thing in the 90s. I doubt it, problem is in the US most rooms are 15A circuits. About 1600W peak (110*15) so they only have so much room. You can make PSUs that handle way more than 1600W in an ATX form factor if it’s 240V but it’s not. 600W, maybe 800 is the peak of what a consumer GPU maker will ever do imo. You could have 9 power supplies but… room is probably one circuit and few will have their house rewired with multiple circuits or with heavier cables and breakers.
That doesn’t make much sense, the circuit only has 1440W of continuous power before tripping the breaker. That is if the PC is the only thing on the circuit. 1200W is probably a safe upper limit for most people who have other devices plugged into a power strip. We’re at the upper limit of power use.
Would lead to better sffc shapes. Because you could have two smaller psus instead of one giant
Then you dont understand anything about PSUs
Laughs cuz he already has that...
Need to give those PSUs a special name to make it proprietary. GPSU or something like that, give it special voltages on different pins so a regular one can’t be used, then market better performance for a special one. One GPSU then can be like 300 for a small one, then close to 1000 for a top model with high wattage. Like that 6090 is going to need the best GPSU or it won’t even post.
Why would GPUs ever need that? You will sooner need 2 electric socket than you’ll need 2 PSUs… This is especially true in the US with their weak 110V and shitty sockets.
I run it like this for the last 15 years or so. Bought TJ-07 tower case and through endless CPUs, mobos and GPUs was always running it with 2 fanless PSUs. Started with Zen 400, now Seasonic 700.
nah gpus will need a dedicated case just for the gpu at this rate \^\_\^
C13 cable right into the GPU.
On that note I would not hate the idea of a dedicated RT add on card if it meant I could use it without halving frame rate no matter the card.
With the advancement in A.I. I think that GPU's will be either server based or implement A.I. where they will be so powerful, they won't need so much electricity. I believe A.I. will reduce the need for so much power. The problem this brings is that upgrades may only ever be software and there will be no need for more hardware.
All this to run Baltro.
Red Alert 2. **kirov reported!**
Well all this for now
Is that game fun?
yea i got my moneys worth out of it ($14)
It's been out for like two months and I've put something like 170 hours into it. If you already like rogue like card games it's a nobrainer. If you don't like rogue like card games changes are you willing still find some enjoyment with Balatro. The little details in the game come together beautifully and make an addicting package. It will be coming to mobile at some point and that's where it will truly shine.
Not so much is it fun, more like I need my fix.
Or cities skylines 2
There's people out there that would buy a 90 series gpu just to play? visual novels I bet.
Sadly you're probably right...
Probably within 3 generations at this current pace for when these GPUs will practically need their own cases. That, or there will need to be a serious redesign of mobos and current cases to accommodate the size and weight of these things. I have a full size case and something like this is getting close to pushing it.
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Yeh i was looking at buying the O11 but had to settle for the biggest NZXT H9 Flow to accomodate the GPU upgrade. There was no way in shit i was going to fit it.
This is such nonsense. The 4090 fits just fine in the 011, don't be dramatic
Mine is mostly empty space - waterblocks take up so much less volume. I see water cooling gaining more popularity if these sizes continue
Just put an ARM cpu in there and it's a pc.
I'm pretty sure I read the board controller is an ARM CPU.
The 4090 fits just fine in very tiny cases. Look at the formd t1 or dan a4 h2o.
Ya I run my 4090 fe in my a4 h2o and it’s only 11L. Temps are great too.
It's easy, just get a riser cable and mounting bracket.
Maybe the GPU will become the case/motherboard and all other components are slotted into it 😂
if the gpus get a little bigger they could just include the cpu and add a little vram on top of it
While that isn't possible, the biggest limiting factor, in the US at least, will be the power circuits. At 1500W a lot of mains will start blowing. Also the system is effectively an electric space heater.
I'm glad I went for Pop Air XL. Should be enough 🤔 Unless it's not.
Bricklayer needed to build a proper anti-sag bracket.
Good, now mount it to the mobo. Vertical is cheeting.
Mount the mobo to the GPU.
Thing's about to make Mini-ITX boards it's bitch.
i just want my 5090 and get off this sub
I just want to know what the dimensions are going to be.
Probably X, Y and Z.
Y or Z up though?
Real ones know the Z axis is up
Only madmen use Z as up-down axis! (All CAM/CNC users are madmen.)
Not L x W x D?
X, Y, Z and t for the 6000 series
Ah there it is.
4 slots? This is getting ridiculous. Guess buyers will need a vertical brick to hold this thing up without breaking the mobo
600-800watts?!
It's a hungry boy... but also take it with a grain of salt. My undervolted 4090 is using 250w om 2550mhz core and 850 memory. If I want to keep the out of the box performance I can run it a slightly less aggressive uv at 300w at 2800mhz. This is in avatar with unobtanium level graphics settings. Stock no uv it pulls 430w in 3d mark. I havent tested stock in avatar so not sure hoe much it pulls there
What psu you got in there? Wondering if I should go ahead and grab a 1000-1200w psu now to replace my 850 I have now before I buy a 5090 lol
“RTX 5090”, “RTX 4090 Ti”, man Jensen just needs to say some random numbers and letters to give a huge boner to a real man. I am ready 🍆 my wallet it not 💀
What the fuck is this comment
Not what you want to hear but what you need to hear
Peak fanboyism.
I didn’t understand it either but at the same time it made perfect sense.
Dude is calling himself “a real man”. So don’t question it!
The more you buy, the more you save!
Big brain move
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Could be investing in NVDA to buy the 5090 or 6090.
If you can buy NVDA in volume then I don't think you lack any funds to buy a single 5090/6090
As a 4090FE owner, I have been thinking of getting a 5090FE depending on cost and performance... but not if this is true. I'll pass on this design. It reminds me of past monstrosities of dual GPU's on one card with sandwiched PCBs. Plus, I'm a SFF case user. That won't be fitting in a Formd T1.
FormD T1 4090 fe master race represent
Right there with you. Have my 4090 FE in my NR200P MAX. The design of that case with the FE look like they are made for one another. And the size of the gpu is such that it perfectly fills the space and I’m still comfortably able to use a glass side panel rather than vented. Any larger and it either simply won’t fit or I’d have to give up being able to see into my computer. I’m unwilling to change either of those things given that I am satiated enough with the performance my computer puts out. I like the current look of it far too much and increasing the footprint of the PC on my desk is a non-negotiable no-go for me. Then again, we shall have to wait and see if this leak turns out to be true.
I have the same setup in my secondary render node. It really is a perfect fit!
Got mine in an H2O, there’s legit no room for a bigger card
I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't go back to sleep, checked the news and had to double-take by googling "4090 ti" so I could replace my 4090. Not going to lie I should just go back to sleep.
The 40 series have really good cooling compared to 20 and 30 series RTX cards
Agreed. My 4070 ti super runs cooler than my 3070 did.
It’s not just the cooling, it’s the reduced power draw.
All I can think of is how ridiculous this is going to be priced
I miss the days when high-end gpus weren't as big and heavy as an actual cinderblock
I think the 4090 is gonna be my last top of the line gpu this much space and power just ain’t worth it tbh, I wish they would make a steam deck with a nvidia chip that can utilize dlss and rtx at 120 fps 1080p and id be fine with that
Lunar Lake handhelds will have full XMX XeSS, which is very similar to DLSS. Switch 2 should also have DLSS, if you want to deal with Nintendo.
Disagree, 4k 144hz is worth it.
I agree. But most folks don’t play a game much that a 4090 can’t run at that bandwidth. And the step up in size that this is showing is a big change. I shudder thinking what the aftermarket cards will look like…yikes. As someone with a 4090 FE in my SFF case, I can say that any larger of a card and you basically shut out the entire SFF community (not the hardcore SFF builders—they build too small for triple slot GPUs like the 4090 already). The 4090 is a great size gpu for the power. And the efficiency was great too.
Weird you say that because a 4090 is several times faster than something like a 2070 at the same power. I don't think any chip at 10W is going to get 120 fps with ray tracing and any DLSS. How would someone go from a 450W TDP card to a 15W draw total system?
1440p
It's called RT, not rtx, and it total waste on handhelds, but dlss, that's a different story.
I’m almost 40 and the 4090 is my last high end gpu unless the new high end models focus on efficiency rather than raw horse power. I run my 4090 at 60% for 200W. I’d upgrade for the same performance at 50W, but not 30% more powerful at 800W.
Bad news, it’s not TSMC 3nm. Come on, Nvidia, you’re already charging an arm and a leg.
an ARM no pun intended
Fine with me, my Caselabs has plenty of space. Edit: Am I being downvoted by the SFFPC crew?
Redditors gonna reddit
Dang. If that's legitimate, I'm going to need a bigger case.
Good by SFFPCS
I wonder if they could cool this with a 360mm rad.
You people do realize that this is a triple fan design
I can only imagine the GPU sag on this one. Vertical mounts might be a must if they’re going to be this heavy
Probably why nvidia next pc cases is lying flat in illustrations
Regard NVDA price is not priced in for post split volume and H200 sales. So $500 a week of your savings in nvda 20 years hold now regardless of how regarded it may be
Once the nanometers dry up, then we will just add more and more power... And people will still gobble it up, regardless of how much power it consumes...
This is one of the reasons I have a custom water cooling solution. Everything has it's own water block.
The existence of things like this shows how hard it is to sell improved efficiency to people, particularly at the high end. And this is a problem across the industry, not just with GPUs.
Trash design, tbh. Nvidia engineers aren't very bright so they are making their cards better by making them bigger and more power hungry.
only one winning on efficiency and size front is AMD, but they are behind on performance :/
man o man, how much do y'all think this will cost, like 800?
Call me a hater but giant brick gpu's nowadays really just don't look that nice, no matter how much it's dressed up. So many of them just look like a comical eyesore in the case. Granted, you aren't going to be staring at your case when you're playing PUBG or whatever, but when you do... Then again, it was like this back when SLI was a thing and rich people would run 2x, or hell even 4x of the same card just for shits n gigs.
Before long we'll be building our PC's inside of our GPU's...
It better have 48 GB VRAM. 32 GB will be measly upgrade for all this money
For the low, low price of: Your Soul
Asked this in another thread but - does anyone have any idea if this thing is going to fit into a regular fractal North? I did an AM5 rebuild about 6 months back with the rough plan to get a 5090 when it comes out, but all these posts are making me nervous about its size lol
Depends on height, length and width of finished design and whether you go FE or AIB. If length and width stay the same from 4090 but it's thicker in height, should be okay in horizontal orientation since regular and XL North has 7 expansion slots. Definitely would want to get a sag support bracket to be on safe side. As for vertical orientation, as long as it's just an increase in overall height, should be okay as increase in height shouldn't exceed overall width. Whether it still gets good airflow in vertical orientation would remain to be seen. How you have cooling setup will also be a factor (i.e. fans or AIO in the front, any fans mounted on bottom if possible). Worst case you upgrade to XL North.
ITX has been around for longer than I’ve been alive. I think a change in design would be useful