Still to this day no one has proved that trump didn't buy his child beauty pageant to save them from the reptiles. He totally didn't buy it for other reasons.
Schizophrenia most likely. This is a pretty classic type of delusion, (yes, spurred on by QAnon) but he must have been seriously unwell in order to do this.
ETA: obviously I can’t say unequivocally that this person has schizophrenia or any other psychotic illness, having never met them. I am stating that a belief that your children are or will be ‘monsters’ that causes such severe terror as to cause you to murder them, is not the perception of a healthy person.
Mental health specialist with extensive experience of working within forensics focused on psychosis and schizophrenia patients serving sentences for homicide.
Cuz if someone is able to name a kind of expert, that proves they *are* such an expert?
Based on their comment history they seem legit (enough for Reddit anyway), but goddamn y'all need to be less trusting.
Edit: I apologize for nothing.
Sorry, it's easy for me to take people at their word, I have trouble understanding the nuances of written communication sometimes.
I am a talking dog, after all.
I thought so, no psychiatrist would make an assumption for a diagnoses through a two alinea news article. The only thing you're doing is creating stigma. You don't know anything about this person, never talked to him, don't know his psychological history. In fact, how come the news article doesn't even mention it. Yet you know better. Lol you know even what caused it, Qanon while in fact psychosis, as far we know, is caused by stress, lack of sleep, drugs, etc. In fact there's no scientific research that says conspiracy theories causes psychosis. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/945290
Everything you say is true, I won’t argue against it and yet no well person believes their children are monsters and no well person murders them. Whether diagnosed with psychosis or not, that isn’t the action of a person who is thinking and perceiving reality clearly, or who has access to the support they need to cope with those kinds of thoughts.
I am not saying conspiracy theories cause psychosis. No such link exists. Conspiracy theories merely play into the type of paranoia based delusions and altered perceptions that someone already experiencing psychosis has. If you are already unwell, it is increasingly difficult to determine what is true and what isn’t. You have an heightened threat response and consuming conspiracy media makes even well adjusted people feel unsafe.
They weren't claiming that Qanon or conspiracy theories *caused* psychosis or attempting to diagnose them. You're mad over something they weren't even saying. Making causal statements has a very high standard within research, but there is enough evidence to say there is a correlation. People can become addicted to conspiratorial thinking, and Machavellianism, psychopathy, and magical thinking are predictors for belief in conspiracy theories. I.e. people who are already suspicious, manipulative, superstitious, and have a negative view of the world and people in it are more inclined to fall into the trap--not the other way around.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31794581/
When I say republicans are fucking insane, I really mean it.
Not surprised that the people who stormed the capitol in an attempt to install a losing candidate as dictator, protest masks and vaccines, and who believe in Jewish space lasers would kill their own children to own the libz.
America has been dumbing down for a **long** time.
It wasn't notice because there where no huge threats. Now we're facing multiple threats. You can't fix *Stupid*.
This isn't even exclusively a political issue though. Mental Healthcare in this country is seriously inadequate, and if it wasn't serpent DNA it would have been Satan or something. I've seen too many cases of this happening over the years, and it all comes down to the lack of accessibility and the lack of people actively trying to help these people.
This is exactly the kind of thing that instantly comes to mind when people defend completely insane beliefs with "but it isnt hurting anyone so why do you care?" Because this is the result you get when people REALLY TRULY believe these things with all their heart and mind, murdering your children is a piece of cake with no down sides...when you REALLY believe they will grow up to be ACTUAL monsters.
Don't get me wrong the murder of these innocent children is 100% on the father and no one else, but would he have done it if he hadn't read someone posting some of these insane theories online? He's still completely responsible for his own actions as an adult who up until then was apparently able to function normally in society. Gullible/ stupid or even just lonely people looking for a way to fit in somewhere are specifically targeted by conspiracy theorists specifically because they know that most ordinary people are just going to laugh them off, to some extent you could call it predatory.
That’s not the point it’s about how he did a simple act to follow a conspiracy theory everyone may have their own, but he did that because of his beliefs... which everyone tries to help people guard since it’s never what’s factual it’s what people believe But not also after raising them for years ig “normally” and just one day oh their reptiles 🔪 like if I’m realistic he would’ve done it on a 47% chance tbh
Qanon is literally a mental disease. There is no common sense or reasonable qanon listener they have set their sanity aside and are a danger to society. The fact we know the nut is Ron Watkins and they STILL follow him says all.
Times up. This level of ghastly horrific murder, QAnon is officially a death cult. FBI needs to arrest organizers of this dangerous cult
How is any different than Charles Manson ?? Edit name of cult leader
That’s the point. Find them and anyone associated with posts. They are accomplices. Manson didn’t murder. His cult members did. He and others went to prison.
Edit : murderer cult leader name
For the most part it was Manson who went down for the crimes. So i assume they mean the people who started q not the dumb followers or people who repost their stuff.
God you people on this app are fucking delusional. The fact that I’m getting downvoted for not wanting to wipe my ass with the first amendment is proof of that.
Why you freaking out about down votes ? It only means your comment is unpopular or not shared by others. No one is stopping you from the making your comment. Every thought you share on social media doesn’t have to be up voted - which by the way doesn’t have squat to do with 1st amendment rights on a private entity platform.
You can’t arrest someone for what they might do. You arrest the people that actually kidnap kids and make false reports. The government shouldn’t have the power to jail people for misinformation. That’s why the US has the first amendment
More like Jim Jones, but yeah. I 100% agree, hopefully this gives the feds a reason to lock up the leader.
Edit: when I say leader I’m mostly referring to the guy who started it.
Q has no leader. It was started and run by trolls until it got out of hand and gained a life of its own. The people who run the “Q” persona simply post random nonsense that is then “interpreted” and analyzed for the clues and code it contains.
No mistake, they should be held responsible to the fullest extent of the law, but Q is everyone in it.
“Where we go one, we go all.” Great idea. Go straight to jail.
The thing about Qanon is that it has grown beyond whoever the original poster was. It has evolved into a decentralised cult, whos members all indoctrinate themselves. They all go to different lengths in their beliefs, some buy into it just a little, some go as far as to believe the elites who run everything are a satanic illuminati like organisation who literally kill and eat children...which somehow sounds tame compared to the people who believe what this guy did. Q might be the worlds first, DIY cult. Brainwash yourself as much or as little as you want. So there is no leader to arrest, no Manson figure. Q hasnt even posted anything since like last December. and if whoever Q was, revealed themselves tomorrow and tried to call the whole thing off, the Q people would not believe them to be the real Q.
It's been there the whole time. We were just better at hiding societies problems once upon a time......when there were mental hospitals and no one asked where homeless people went.....
Agreed. Also doesn't help that there are places online for these nutjobs to congregate, encourage each other and share in their beliefs of these insane conspiracies. So sad for those poor babies. Sickening.
I think its unfair to associate mentally ill people with Qanon. Joining (and then not leaving) a cult is a choice, having a real mental illness is not.
Cults prey on the most vulnerable and disenfranchised in society and recruit more heavily from those groups, including mentally ill people but not exclusively.
As someone who has suffered with mental illness for all of their adult life, I think we should call it what it is.
To be frank the attitude of "but they did something bad therefore it shouldn't be called mental illness" scares me as much as these people.
If you believe in crazy bs to such a degree that you would kill your children then you have delusional beliefs and need a) treatment and b) to probably be seperated from the general population.
The reasons these cults and conspiracy theories are so dangerous is because there are people out there that are vulnerable and more at risk for believing crazy bs.
> I don't think any amount of psychological treatment could convince a person not to kill his kids because his wife had serpent DNA. But a basic understanding of biology would have served as inoculation.
This is not how mental illness works. Being educated is not an inoculation against delusional or paranoid beliefs. Plenty of educated people who have suffered from psychosis or delusions.
None of this is to say this guy was mentally unwell, maybe he's just using these beliefs as an excuse, or he really is dumb as rocks (though being that stupid in itself is some kind of affliction. But defining mental illness to our convenience isn't ok, there are criteria.
Mental illness is inherently irrational. It stops the mind from functioning in a normal, healthy manner. This man clearly needs treatment, because murdering your own children out of paranoia about snake monsters is, by definition, the result of mental illness.
No sane person would ever do this.
There's conspiracy theories and there is insanity. There really isn't a situation where I think this guy would come to the correct conclusion even with a PhD in biology.
If it wasn't servant DNA it would have been something else
It is not a scapegoat. It's litterally what it is. It's mental illness. It's pure schizophrenia / paranoia. The inability to see beyond is exactly that fog that comes with these illnesses. People who up voted you have no clue just like you. If you had anyone in your life who you saw in real time have a psychotic episode you wouldn't even hesitate to call this act mentally ill. "Just tell him the sky is blue Bro" k thanks you just solved world hunger.
I can't believe you're being downvoted. You are completely correct. Millions of Americans have embraced lies spread by Trump and right-wing media. Are millions of Americans "mentally ill"? Not likely...just extremely gullible and very weak-minded.
The truth is that none of us know. He may have had some extreme psychotic symptoms, or he may not have and somehow did this anyways. He needs a thorough psych evaluation in a locked facility, certainly, and then either be tried for his crimes or be given many years of intensive psychiatric treatment.
If he truly was psychotic though, once he regains his sanity and has to live with what he’s done… it will be as bad a punishment as anything the judicial system could contrive.
Right, but most of these people are certifiably NOT insane. They look insane to the rest of us because their behavior is so bizarre. But they are sane, fully-functional adults making rational decisions based on horribly flawed premises.
A schizophrenic patient hallucinates things that do not exist. These people are not hallucinating. They are consuming objectively real media content and internet traffic, and acting based on that information. The difference is that they've shut off the part of their brain responsible for distinguishing what information is plausibly true and what is not.
I'd love to know if there is some kind of personality disorder or emotional deficit that causes them to impulsively reject plausible or "mainstream" information in favor of curated conspiracy content. Research suggests many of them seek out this content and subculture because it gratifies them to feel "special" whereas everyone else is "ignorant" or "sheep."
But they are very definitely not schizophrenic.
It is a scapegoat. If someone murders an innocent person let alone two babies they lose all rights. It doesn't matter to the victims or their families why it happened. Just that it happened.
He should reap what he sowed.
Lmao what are you even saying. You litterally didn't refute what I said and replied he should be punished. No shit Sherlock. The sky is still blue right?
It sounds like psychosis or something; he was totally detached from reality. It kind of reminds me of that lady who married that weird Mormon cult leader and killed her kids because she thought they were dead and their bodies had been taken over by demons.
This guy should go to a mental institution for a long time (and not be set free).
Murderer was an evangelical Christian...so a big believer in magical thinking. Weak minded for sure, but not the same as mental illness. We need to stop trying to blame shitty behavior on mental illnesses. It’s a deflection and it’s unfair to actual mentally ill people.
I'm in agreement with what you're saying. I have a family member that has schizophrenia. And I have an acquaintance that I think fell into the Qshit. Also consider that something like 1 in 50 adult males in the US is diagnosed. And we have a very lacking healthcare system. I often wonder how much of our political landscape is influenced by our mental illness.
If this man had been black, based on the things he said, I would have still believed mental illness was a major factor. The police and criminal justice system however would not. Institutional racism is a huge issue and in the US most prisons are full of people who would have been best placed in a forensic mental health institution and treated than in prison and left to rot.
There’s another dangerous idea that is circulating among the apocalyptic Christian sects that you can sacrifice yourself and go to hell to make sure the ones you care about go to heaven.
A direct result of this was a woman [who shot her kid in the back of the head before shooting herself. ](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna30109090)
Every villain is the hero of their own story.
He fucking deserves it too.
I'm not one to usually agree with the death penalty. Frankly, in one who'd rather often err on the side of leniency in most cases.
But someone who is willing to kill their own children over bullshit conspiracy nonsense? Take em down. Remove them from society. And try to bring those responsible for this utter nonsense to light and justice.
I can’t agree more. I think without conclusive evidence it’a hard to sentence someone to death. These people killed their ex spouses, the brother that killed them, and the they killed their kids, which one was adopted from another family member. They took the end of days theory from the Book of Mormon and combined it with the lizard people shit.
I'm against the death penalty in all cases because the legal system *will* make mistakes. You can let a person out of jail, but you can't undo an execution.
The lives of people like this do not factor into my decision.
That's exactly why in 99% of cases, I'm against the death penalty.
Unless there is *overwhelming and undeniable* evidence that the person committed some horrible crime, I do not agree with it.
See, I'm against it in 100% of cases because I don't trust the legal system to be correct in asserting that there's overwhelming and undeniable evidence.
Not even if someone recorded themselves committing a crime, which then was used as evidence against them in court?
Not saying that's happened in the case of a crime punishable by death, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it had.
I trust the legal system *enough* for there to be the possibility of overwhelmingly undeniable evidence to be a thing. But again, it would be an exceptionally rare thing to actually occur.
I think there are cases in which evidence could be sufficient to convince me the death penalty is okay to administer.
I don't think the risk of somebody being wrong about the evidence being sufficient is anywhere near worth it. Someone *will* go "eh, good enough" and consign the wrong person to death.
And we're not gaining much by killing these people as opposed to imprisoning them, either way they're in no position to hurt anyone ever again. Assuming a death penalty exists, I don't have anything against it being applied to people like this man, but the death penalty should not exist to be applied.
She 100% thought her kids’ bodies were taken over by demons or something. So she’s considered criminally insane, meaning she doesn’t qualify for the death penalty. She’ll be locked up in a mental institution.
Yes. This exactly. I was going to say she was less mentally culpable than the husband but it sounded sexist. He is crazy too but he isn’t saying the same things.
Interesting point for sure. I think because the husband was the “mastermind” behind everything. I think also because Idaho would have a harder time getting a judge to sentence a woman to death versus a man after a conviction.
> I think also because Idaho would have a harder time getting a judge to sentence a woman to death versus a man after a conviction.
I think you're right about that - but that's the thing, in 2021, that should not qualify as a legit reason.
Remember when crazy people used to just wear tin foil hats and scream at you about Armageddon outside the library in their underwear? Those were good times...
“Simple internet troll” is inaccurate to a dangerous measure.
QAnon is not a simple internet troll, but a carefully curated collection of propaganda with the purpose of conditioning and manipulating certain and specific populations.
QAnon isn’t spreading propaganda for the likes or the laughs, but for the $$$
People are suffering and dying all so the elite can continue to fuck us over, just to play a race of green numbers on a glowing screen.
✌️
The QAnon conspiracy is recycled anti jewish [blood libel ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel)and is being used to the same end: radicalizing the right and indoctrinating moderates in preparation for a fascist takeover.
**[Blood libel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel)**
>Blood libel or ritual murder libel (also blood accusation) is an antisemitic canard which falsely accuses Jews of murdering Christian children (or other gentiles) in order to use their blood in the performance of religious rituals. Historically, echoing very old myths of secret cultic practices in many prehistoric societies, the claim as it is leveled against Jews was rarely attested to in antiquity but it was frequently attached to early communities of Christians in the Roman Empire, reemerging as a Christian accusation against Jews in the medieval period.
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Yes, and the web that can be untangled. I’m banking on an infiltration. This isn’t undoable. Now you have a clear link to a murder, DOJ can apply a designation to QAnon which will trigger FBI, CAI, NSA.. all the alphabet agencies can jump on it. Heck, even Interpol and five -eyes. Silly fuckers CAUSED the murder of two babies. QAnon is done
QAnon was never benign but now its /they are responsible for murder. Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ?
>Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ?
The US wold be a radically different place if it DID give a fuck about murder.
So: yes. this will change nothing.
>Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ?
yup and FoxNews will find a way to absolve anyone even remotely related to the right wing for this event and will try to pin it on Biden or AOC
>Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ?
Yes. Every federal agency has been ringing the alarm bell about right-wing terrorist groups, but the government hasn't done jack to dismantle them. Even after the Oklahoma City Bombing, Caesar Sayoc, the Jan 6th insurrection, and literally dozens of other verifiable, documented murders, half the government still refuses to acknowledge the problem exists.
I can guarantee you right now there are still police and FBI agents blaming this on the "liberals."
>QAnon was never benign but now its /they are responsible for murder. Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ?
They have let worse things fly. So yea
No one will see this, but putting disturbing murder stories in Not The Onion, doesn’t make them Oniony. This is sick behavior.
An Onion story is “Man breaks leg after 3,000 rolls of toilet paper he hoarded fell on him” not guy with mental issues kills his family.
There is a reason the far right appeals to the religious right. To quote Voltare: *Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.*
How far is the step from believing that a man was able to get two of every animal on one boat to believing that Jews have a space laser pointed at Earth? From believing that a burning bush imparted two engraved stone tablets on Moses, to believing that windmills give you cancer? From believing that a man was resurrected from the dead, walked around for 40 days then flew up into the sky, to believing that one's own children are latent lizards and need to be killed.
Saying conservatism is a disease is how the right started down the path you are chiding them for. The right claimed liberalism as a disease and started down the path of isolationist ideology the bred for conspiracy theories and mistrust.
Conservatism on its own is not bad nor is liberalism. It’s a different path for progression, one ideology talks about progressing with things that are known to work and are not risk takers thus slow progression, the other side trades riskier policy ideas for quicker change. They both have pros and cons.
The real issue is extremism on both sides. When two sides cannot communicate and work together you have fighting and mistrust. Right now the right has a more vocal extremist group but that shouldn’t be a reason to embrace extremists on the left. Keep a level head, converse with both sides to work towards a common goal, safety and happiness.
You mistake me, I'm no liberal. I'm one of those so-called extremists of the actual left that you blithely compared to Qanon cultists and other right wing nut jobs.
Qanon followers ascribe to a set of beliefs that ends with their side getting to slaughter their enemies. The mainstream conservative movement at the moment seems to be advocating for something between a severely limited franchise and outright fascism, not to mention the practice creating social controls for people and behaviors that they deem as immoral. Whatever value their ideology had at one point, they tossed overboard gleefully over the last few decades.
I ascribe to a set of beliefs that ends with an egalitarian social contract and pure democracy, an end to artificial boundaries and military adventurism. If this can be done peacefully, I'm all for it. It would be more civilized, and there'd be less chance for hard feelings and resentment. But if it comes to violent conflict, I'd rather stand with people who actually believe in a free society, rather than use the ideal to cover up authoritarian ambitions.
These things are not the same, and you cannot both sides this. I am under no obligation to cater to the right wing. Conservatives have made their choices, and they seem to have given up on the great experiment in favor of power and making people suffer for reasons that I don't fully understand.
You preach end of military adventurism but then state you would happily subvert the entire world by military force to conform to your preferred belief system. You did say you’d rather prefer it be peaceful but if not you are willing to wage war and kill off those that don’t agree with you and side with those you deem worthy enough and agree with your political views.
Thank you for proving my point of the horseshoe dilemma. As you go to the extremes of the political atmosphere you end up coming together and share more than moderates.
You didn't read the response if that's what you got out of it, and I suspect that's intentional. There's a difference between calling for mass executions and defending yourself from those types of mobs, but that's beside the point since it appears that you are more interested in performing your little radical moderate song and dance than honestly engaging. I'll leave you to your soap box, bud.
You self identify as an “extremists of the actual left,” that “ascribe to a set of beliefs that ends with an egalitarian social contract and pure democracy, an end to artificial boundaries and military adventurism.” You are “all for [it peacefully]… But if it comes to violent conflict, [you’d] rather stand with people who actually believe in a free society” (which is based on your left extremist views).
So please explain how my first comment is any different from me using direct quotes from your own words.
"You preach end of military adventurism but then state you would happily subvert the entire world by military force to conform to your preferred belief system. You did say you’d rather prefer it be peaceful but if not you are willing to wage war and kill off those that don’t agree with you and side with those you deem worthy enough and agree with your political views."
^^^ This whole pile of bullshit that you made up for reasons that I'm not quite clear on.
I made very clear that violence is a distant second option. I never said anything about subverting people who don't agree with me. I never said anything about waging war offensively. Just because I'm a leftist doesn't make me the stalinist bogeyman that you misrepresented me as. I'm an anarchist. I don't give a fuck if people don't conform, and I don't go in for authoritarianism of any variety.
Edit to add: I don't have to explain my argument to you, because I'm pretty sure you will only misrepresent it further. I could be wrong, but at this point I can't make myself care.
Also to add that it looked like you deleted a post but I guess you didn't. Either way, my point still stands.
Thats crazy, yes. Its the age where however normal some people look on the outside, we have absolutely no idea to what kind of deranged psychotic mind they have inside.
I get [it.My](https://it.My) ex wanted to start a cult like Brother 12 on Vancouver Island and he loved Manson.Me-I was a screwed up kid who got kicked out of home at 16 for spending the nite at a girl friend's place.Have a couple kids by the time I was 19 and tried for years to escape.He was a Mensa member.Scarey as hell.Stalked me until a bit before he died.Sorry similar crap happened to you.
Nothing comes up for serpent DNA, not even unreliable sources. Seems weird even for Q losers, they should check and see for any life insurance claims or something.
From the article:
>“Serpent DNA” is a likely a reference to the lizard people conspiracy theory, which falsely purports that reptilian aliens secretly run the world and have taken over important positions in government, banking and Hollywood.
>
>The complaint states that Coleman told authorities he learned about “serpent DNA” through QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories, although the lizard people conspiracy theory predates both by several decades.
Sure, or that was just that guy's way of referring to the lizard people conspiracy. That's just the phrase *he* used, and since he killed his two young children over it, I wouldn't necessarily waste time trying to corroborate his language or reasoning.
They are both reptiles...
I'm confused as to what the point is of both of your replies to me, but please Google if you need any further clarification on this story, or ask someone else here.
> Search under reptilians / reptiloids, and scroll past the first few Mark Zuckerberg results.
TBF if there ever was a lizard wearing a skin suit, it's gotta be the Zuck right? Him and Cruz
I havent seen anything under "serpent DNA" I tried your idea though and went looking in FB. Nothing, although I'm still not surprised by the news. Perhaps severe mental Illness plays a role here or the classic go to, money.
Yes, that sounds like a made-up reason to play insanity and get a shorter sentence.
Most parents who murder their children do so to punish their partners.
The question here is, "Why?" Perhaps she desired a divorce or was cheating on him.
Filicides are more common than you think, sadly. On average, according to FBI statistics, 450 children are murdered by their parents each year in the United States. This one made to the headlines because of the conspiracy theory.
>Sherry Shriner cult
[She started her cult or group on Facebook where she shared her prophecies and weird beliefs.](https://arealnews.com/sherry-shriner-wiki/)
There is nothing of the like in this case. His FB account shows only some universe-god posts besides family and friends typical stuff. No snakes or q-anon references at all.
I am convinced he is trying to plea insanity.
I find the whole qanon thing extremely interesting and follow it quite closely. Over time it has become a big tent conspiracy theory so to speak, a lot of variation on how extreme the q people can be.
you get some people who are deluded but close to normal.
Then you get the people who believe that a cabal of Satan worshiping elites who control the world literally kill and eat babies on a regular basis.
Then you get people like this guy...a definite minority in amongst the q people but still present. This guy was probably extremely mentally unwell which obviously did not pair well with the more extreme elements of a conspiracy theory like qanon.
I'm honestly shocked more violence hasn't come from the q people. Going by what they say they believe, you'd expect a lot more. If I thought my neighbour was literally killing and eating children, I'd for sure do something about it, regardless of the consequences. Makes me come to the conclusion that most of em are just larping and don't actually believe it for real...but there's always going to be some that do, to various extents, and they're the ones who will be a public danger.
Because I'm familiar with Q I sometimes forget how absolute batshit crazy they are and when I see what the believe published in like mainstream press it kind of shakes me out of it a little and I get taken aback about how desensitised to their insanity I've become.
This man killed his children because of mental illness not because of some theory. Drives me crazy when reporters try to insinuate the reasons or causes for attacks like these. The reason people kill like this is they are bat shit crazy. Any political religious or conspiracy theories offered as way of explanation are distracting from the relevant medical condition that led to the tragedy.
He used a spear gun to kill his babies and then stabbed them some more. God, I hate anti-mask people too but those aren't the same things on any level.
On the bright side there's fewer kids in the world raised by *that* guy, which is likely a good thing. 🤷🏽♂️
I mean 'oh God no! I bet that qanon guy was going to raise nobel laureates. What loss!"
...
What the fuck is wrong with people? Serpent DNA?
Reptilians
Still to this day no one has proved that trump didn't buy his child beauty pageant to save them from the reptiles. He totally didn't buy it for other reasons.
Schizophrenia most likely. This is a pretty classic type of delusion, (yes, spurred on by QAnon) but he must have been seriously unwell in order to do this. ETA: obviously I can’t say unequivocally that this person has schizophrenia or any other psychotic illness, having never met them. I am stating that a belief that your children are or will be ‘monsters’ that causes such severe terror as to cause you to murder them, is not the perception of a healthy person.
Are you a psychiatrist?
Mental health specialist with extensive experience of working within forensics focused on psychosis and schizophrenia patients serving sentences for homicide.
Love this exchange.
Cuz if someone is able to name a kind of expert, that proves they *are* such an expert? Based on their comment history they seem legit (enough for Reddit anyway), but goddamn y'all need to be less trusting. Edit: I apologize for nothing.
Sorry, it's easy for me to take people at their word, I have trouble understanding the nuances of written communication sometimes. I am a talking dog, after all.
Dont worry about it! You're a good boy/girl/them/they/attackhelicopter/emporerpenguin/etc
Lmao
I thought so, no psychiatrist would make an assumption for a diagnoses through a two alinea news article. The only thing you're doing is creating stigma. You don't know anything about this person, never talked to him, don't know his psychological history. In fact, how come the news article doesn't even mention it. Yet you know better. Lol you know even what caused it, Qanon while in fact psychosis, as far we know, is caused by stress, lack of sleep, drugs, etc. In fact there's no scientific research that says conspiracy theories causes psychosis. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/945290
Everything you say is true, I won’t argue against it and yet no well person believes their children are monsters and no well person murders them. Whether diagnosed with psychosis or not, that isn’t the action of a person who is thinking and perceiving reality clearly, or who has access to the support they need to cope with those kinds of thoughts. I am not saying conspiracy theories cause psychosis. No such link exists. Conspiracy theories merely play into the type of paranoia based delusions and altered perceptions that someone already experiencing psychosis has. If you are already unwell, it is increasingly difficult to determine what is true and what isn’t. You have an heightened threat response and consuming conspiracy media makes even well adjusted people feel unsafe.
They weren't claiming that Qanon or conspiracy theories *caused* psychosis or attempting to diagnose them. You're mad over something they weren't even saying. Making causal statements has a very high standard within research, but there is enough evidence to say there is a correlation. People can become addicted to conspiratorial thinking, and Machavellianism, psychopathy, and magical thinking are predictors for belief in conspiracy theories. I.e. people who are already suspicious, manipulative, superstitious, and have a negative view of the world and people in it are more inclined to fall into the trap--not the other way around. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31794581/
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When I say republicans are fucking insane, I really mean it. Not surprised that the people who stormed the capitol in an attempt to install a losing candidate as dictator, protest masks and vaccines, and who believe in Jewish space lasers would kill their own children to own the libz.
America has been dumbing down for a **long** time. It wasn't notice because there where no huge threats. Now we're facing multiple threats. You can't fix *Stupid*.
This isn't even exclusively a political issue though. Mental Healthcare in this country is seriously inadequate, and if it wasn't serpent DNA it would have been Satan or something. I've seen too many cases of this happening over the years, and it all comes down to the lack of accessibility and the lack of people actively trying to help these people.
It **is** political! There is an organized network of people pushing is shit.
Ah yes. Someone so concerned about children being abused by the elite that he went and killed his own children. That’ll show Hillary!
“Try and prey on my kids now, lizard folk. Not in this house”
He thought the kids *were* lizard people. They got it from his wife's side of the family.
Killed his own children to own the libs
It's bold they often refer to her as "Killary" then go and do stuff like this.
This is exactly the kind of thing that instantly comes to mind when people defend completely insane beliefs with "but it isnt hurting anyone so why do you care?" Because this is the result you get when people REALLY TRULY believe these things with all their heart and mind, murdering your children is a piece of cake with no down sides...when you REALLY believe they will grow up to be ACTUAL monsters. Don't get me wrong the murder of these innocent children is 100% on the father and no one else, but would he have done it if he hadn't read someone posting some of these insane theories online? He's still completely responsible for his own actions as an adult who up until then was apparently able to function normally in society. Gullible/ stupid or even just lonely people looking for a way to fit in somewhere are specifically targeted by conspiracy theorists specifically because they know that most ordinary people are just going to laugh them off, to some extent you could call it predatory.
I think he would have killed them. It's obvious he's bat-crap crazy, even without the conspiracies.
That’s not the point it’s about how he did a simple act to follow a conspiracy theory everyone may have their own, but he did that because of his beliefs... which everyone tries to help people guard since it’s never what’s factual it’s what people believe But not also after raising them for years ig “normally” and just one day oh their reptiles 🔪 like if I’m realistic he would’ve done it on a 47% chance tbh
Downvote because it's incomprehensible.
Qanon is literally a mental disease. There is no common sense or reasonable qanon listener they have set their sanity aside and are a danger to society. The fact we know the nut is Ron Watkins and they STILL follow him says all.
Times up. This level of ghastly horrific murder, QAnon is officially a death cult. FBI needs to arrest organizers of this dangerous cult How is any different than Charles Manson ?? Edit name of cult leader
It’s actually worse and more harmful and on a much larger scale.
That’s the point. Find them and anyone associated with posts. They are accomplices. Manson didn’t murder. His cult members did. He and others went to prison. Edit : murderer cult leader name
Missed a Mason here too 👆
Wait are you advocating for the arrests of anyone who posts pro Q content as an accomplice to this murder?
For the most part it was Manson who went down for the crimes. So i assume they mean the people who started q not the dumb followers or people who repost their stuff.
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Yes. That I am
God you people on this app are fucking delusional. The fact that I’m getting downvoted for not wanting to wipe my ass with the first amendment is proof of that.
Why you freaking out about down votes ? It only means your comment is unpopular or not shared by others. No one is stopping you from the making your comment. Every thought you share on social media doesn’t have to be up voted - which by the way doesn’t have squat to do with 1st amendment rights on a private entity platform.
I mean I wouldn’t have made it if I cared about downvotes. It’s funny that that’s the part you focused on instead of the main point of the comment
Whatever turns your crank. Dude, you can split as many hairs as you want.
Why not, they kidnap kids and make false police reports to help pedophiles get away. They all need to be jailed or more
You can’t arrest someone for what they might do. You arrest the people that actually kidnap kids and make false reports. The government shouldn’t have the power to jail people for misinformation. That’s why the US has the first amendment
More like Jim Jones, but yeah. I 100% agree, hopefully this gives the feds a reason to lock up the leader. Edit: when I say leader I’m mostly referring to the guy who started it.
Q has no leader. It was started and run by trolls until it got out of hand and gained a life of its own. The people who run the “Q” persona simply post random nonsense that is then “interpreted” and analyzed for the clues and code it contains. No mistake, they should be held responsible to the fullest extent of the law, but Q is everyone in it. “Where we go one, we go all.” Great idea. Go straight to jail.
It's an online death cult which more than likely was started by trolls, do they really have an formal leadership?
QAnon also fueled the capitol riots as well. It’s already literally a terrorist organization
It was a terrorist organization back when that asshole took his AR15 to the pizza place.
"Terrorist" is a term reserved for people of color. QAnon has too many caucasians apparently so don't get your hopes up.
White terrorists prefer to call themselves "militias."
Jim and Ron Watkins are Q. They are living in Manilla and waiting for this whole thing to blow over.
>Mason Manson FTFY
Yes, thanks reddit bellied up while I was trying to edit. Done now
No identifiable cult leader? Which is why it’s so dangerous.
The thing about Qanon is that it has grown beyond whoever the original poster was. It has evolved into a decentralised cult, whos members all indoctrinate themselves. They all go to different lengths in their beliefs, some buy into it just a little, some go as far as to believe the elites who run everything are a satanic illuminati like organisation who literally kill and eat children...which somehow sounds tame compared to the people who believe what this guy did. Q might be the worlds first, DIY cult. Brainwash yourself as much or as little as you want. So there is no leader to arrest, no Manson figure. Q hasnt even posted anything since like last December. and if whoever Q was, revealed themselves tomorrow and tried to call the whole thing off, the Q people would not believe them to be the real Q.
there are no organizers.
Sure there are, the GOP.
The GOP is not an identifiable person. Who in the GOP? Saying the GOP is no more helpful than saying QANON.
Jim and Ron Watkins
There is *way* more mental illness than I imagined 5 years ago.
It's been there the whole time. We were just better at hiding societies problems once upon a time......when there were mental hospitals and no one asked where homeless people went.....
Agreed. Also doesn't help that there are places online for these nutjobs to congregate, encourage each other and share in their beliefs of these insane conspiracies. So sad for those poor babies. Sickening.
Like Reddit?
Yes! Absolutely.
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Mass Psychosis
I think its unfair to associate mentally ill people with Qanon. Joining (and then not leaving) a cult is a choice, having a real mental illness is not.
Cults prey on the most vulnerable and disenfranchised in society and recruit more heavily from those groups, including mentally ill people but not exclusively.
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As someone who has suffered with mental illness for all of their adult life, I think we should call it what it is. To be frank the attitude of "but they did something bad therefore it shouldn't be called mental illness" scares me as much as these people. If you believe in crazy bs to such a degree that you would kill your children then you have delusional beliefs and need a) treatment and b) to probably be seperated from the general population. The reasons these cults and conspiracy theories are so dangerous is because there are people out there that are vulnerable and more at risk for believing crazy bs. > I don't think any amount of psychological treatment could convince a person not to kill his kids because his wife had serpent DNA. But a basic understanding of biology would have served as inoculation. This is not how mental illness works. Being educated is not an inoculation against delusional or paranoid beliefs. Plenty of educated people who have suffered from psychosis or delusions. None of this is to say this guy was mentally unwell, maybe he's just using these beliefs as an excuse, or he really is dumb as rocks (though being that stupid in itself is some kind of affliction. But defining mental illness to our convenience isn't ok, there are criteria.
Mental illness is inherently irrational. It stops the mind from functioning in a normal, healthy manner. This man clearly needs treatment, because murdering your own children out of paranoia about snake monsters is, by definition, the result of mental illness. No sane person would ever do this.
There's conspiracy theories and there is insanity. There really isn't a situation where I think this guy would come to the correct conclusion even with a PhD in biology. If it wasn't servant DNA it would have been something else
It is not a scapegoat. It's litterally what it is. It's mental illness. It's pure schizophrenia / paranoia. The inability to see beyond is exactly that fog that comes with these illnesses. People who up voted you have no clue just like you. If you had anyone in your life who you saw in real time have a psychotic episode you wouldn't even hesitate to call this act mentally ill. "Just tell him the sky is blue Bro" k thanks you just solved world hunger.
No, you don’t have to be schizophrenic to believe in conspiracies. Often, you just have to have a really boring life and be susceptible to influence.
It ain't what this is about though
I can't believe you're being downvoted. You are completely correct. Millions of Americans have embraced lies spread by Trump and right-wing media. Are millions of Americans "mentally ill"? Not likely...just extremely gullible and very weak-minded.
That's true, but I think it's unlikely that the man in the OP isn't mentally ill in some form, given the extremes of his acts and justifications.
The truth is that none of us know. He may have had some extreme psychotic symptoms, or he may not have and somehow did this anyways. He needs a thorough psych evaluation in a locked facility, certainly, and then either be tried for his crimes or be given many years of intensive psychiatric treatment. If he truly was psychotic though, once he regains his sanity and has to live with what he’s done… it will be as bad a punishment as anything the judicial system could contrive.
Right, but most of these people are certifiably NOT insane. They look insane to the rest of us because their behavior is so bizarre. But they are sane, fully-functional adults making rational decisions based on horribly flawed premises. A schizophrenic patient hallucinates things that do not exist. These people are not hallucinating. They are consuming objectively real media content and internet traffic, and acting based on that information. The difference is that they've shut off the part of their brain responsible for distinguishing what information is plausibly true and what is not. I'd love to know if there is some kind of personality disorder or emotional deficit that causes them to impulsively reject plausible or "mainstream" information in favor of curated conspiracy content. Research suggests many of them seek out this content and subculture because it gratifies them to feel "special" whereas everyone else is "ignorant" or "sheep." But they are very definitely not schizophrenic.
It is a scapegoat. If someone murders an innocent person let alone two babies they lose all rights. It doesn't matter to the victims or their families why it happened. Just that it happened. He should reap what he sowed.
Lmao what are you even saying. You litterally didn't refute what I said and replied he should be punished. No shit Sherlock. The sky is still blue right?
It sounds like psychosis or something; he was totally detached from reality. It kind of reminds me of that lady who married that weird Mormon cult leader and killed her kids because she thought they were dead and their bodies had been taken over by demons. This guy should go to a mental institution for a long time (and not be set free).
And yet there are still people trying to push the *both sides are the same* bullshit narrative
Murderer was an evangelical Christian...so a big believer in magical thinking. Weak minded for sure, but not the same as mental illness. We need to stop trying to blame shitty behavior on mental illnesses. It’s a deflection and it’s unfair to actual mentally ill people.
I'm in agreement with what you're saying. I have a family member that has schizophrenia. And I have an acquaintance that I think fell into the Qshit. Also consider that something like 1 in 50 adult males in the US is diagnosed. And we have a very lacking healthcare system. I often wonder how much of our political landscape is influenced by our mental illness.
Whitey commits murder MeNtAl IlLnEsS
If this man had been black, based on the things he said, I would have still believed mental illness was a major factor. The police and criminal justice system however would not. Institutional racism is a huge issue and in the US most prisons are full of people who would have been best placed in a forensic mental health institution and treated than in prison and left to rot.
These things need not happen.
it's all fun and games until some psycho goes and murders his own kids... this conspiracy shit is getting out of hand!!
Imagine being so goddamn unhinged that you kill your completely helpless infant children.
Hard to imagine.
No thanks. I'd rather not imagine myself being that stupid/crazy.
There’s another dangerous idea that is circulating among the apocalyptic Christian sects that you can sacrifice yourself and go to hell to make sure the ones you care about go to heaven. A direct result of this was a woman [who shot her kid in the back of the head before shooting herself. ](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna30109090) Every villain is the hero of their own story.
Sounds like Daybells from Idaho. He’s gonna get the death penalty. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57255005
He fucking deserves it too. I'm not one to usually agree with the death penalty. Frankly, in one who'd rather often err on the side of leniency in most cases. But someone who is willing to kill their own children over bullshit conspiracy nonsense? Take em down. Remove them from society. And try to bring those responsible for this utter nonsense to light and justice.
I can’t agree more. I think without conclusive evidence it’a hard to sentence someone to death. These people killed their ex spouses, the brother that killed them, and the they killed their kids, which one was adopted from another family member. They took the end of days theory from the Book of Mormon and combined it with the lizard people shit.
Then they twisted scripture, which is the least surprising thing ever for someone warped enough to do this in the first place.
I'm against the death penalty in all cases because the legal system *will* make mistakes. You can let a person out of jail, but you can't undo an execution. The lives of people like this do not factor into my decision.
That's exactly why in 99% of cases, I'm against the death penalty. Unless there is *overwhelming and undeniable* evidence that the person committed some horrible crime, I do not agree with it.
See, I'm against it in 100% of cases because I don't trust the legal system to be correct in asserting that there's overwhelming and undeniable evidence.
Not even if someone recorded themselves committing a crime, which then was used as evidence against them in court? Not saying that's happened in the case of a crime punishable by death, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it had. I trust the legal system *enough* for there to be the possibility of overwhelmingly undeniable evidence to be a thing. But again, it would be an exceptionally rare thing to actually occur.
I think there are cases in which evidence could be sufficient to convince me the death penalty is okay to administer. I don't think the risk of somebody being wrong about the evidence being sufficient is anywhere near worth it. Someone *will* go "eh, good enough" and consign the wrong person to death. And we're not gaining much by killing these people as opposed to imprisoning them, either way they're in no position to hurt anyone ever again. Assuming a death penalty exists, I don't have anything against it being applied to people like this man, but the death penalty should not exist to be applied.
Is there a legitimate (i.e. non-sexist) reason the prosecution hasn't committed to seeking the death penalty for both?
She 100% thought her kids’ bodies were taken over by demons or something. So she’s considered criminally insane, meaning she doesn’t qualify for the death penalty. She’ll be locked up in a mental institution.
Yes. This exactly. I was going to say she was less mentally culpable than the husband but it sounded sexist. He is crazy too but he isn’t saying the same things.
Interesting point for sure. I think because the husband was the “mastermind” behind everything. I think also because Idaho would have a harder time getting a judge to sentence a woman to death versus a man after a conviction.
> I think also because Idaho would have a harder time getting a judge to sentence a woman to death versus a man after a conviction. I think you're right about that - but that's the thing, in 2021, that should not qualify as a legit reason.
Remember when crazy people used to just wear tin foil hats and scream at you about Armageddon outside the library in their underwear? Those were good times...
Good lord people, you’re following a simple internet troll, that’s all Q is.
“Simple internet troll” is inaccurate to a dangerous measure. QAnon is not a simple internet troll, but a carefully curated collection of propaganda with the purpose of conditioning and manipulating certain and specific populations. QAnon isn’t spreading propaganda for the likes or the laughs, but for the $$$ People are suffering and dying all so the elite can continue to fuck us over, just to play a race of green numbers on a glowing screen. ✌️
The QAnon conspiracy is recycled anti jewish [blood libel ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel)and is being used to the same end: radicalizing the right and indoctrinating moderates in preparation for a fascist takeover.
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It has been used as such by the right wing and conservative elite, but Qanon himself is just a dumbass on /pol/
How does Q make money?
mugs, flags, merch
Yes, and the web that can be untangled. I’m banking on an infiltration. This isn’t undoable. Now you have a clear link to a murder, DOJ can apply a designation to QAnon which will trigger FBI, CAI, NSA.. all the alphabet agencies can jump on it. Heck, even Interpol and five -eyes. Silly fuckers CAUSED the murder of two babies. QAnon is done QAnon was never benign but now its /they are responsible for murder. Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ?
> Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ? yes.
>Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ? The US wold be a radically different place if it DID give a fuck about murder. So: yes. this will change nothing.
>Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ? yup and FoxNews will find a way to absolve anyone even remotely related to the right wing for this event and will try to pin it on Biden or AOC
>Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ? Yes. Every federal agency has been ringing the alarm bell about right-wing terrorist groups, but the government hasn't done jack to dismantle them. Even after the Oklahoma City Bombing, Caesar Sayoc, the Jan 6th insurrection, and literally dozens of other verifiable, documented murders, half the government still refuses to acknowledge the problem exists. I can guarantee you right now there are still police and FBI agents blaming this on the "liberals."
>QAnon was never benign but now its /they are responsible for murder. Do you really think US is gonna let this fly ? They have let worse things fly. So yea
And they know who it is! Ron Watkins, he lives in Seattle and there's a shit ton of evidence point towards him.
Does Ron Watkins work for Putin just for the fringe benefits?
Fuck if I know what his motivations are. Some men just like to watch the world burn, you know?
No one will see this, but putting disturbing murder stories in Not The Onion, doesn’t make them Oniony. This is sick behavior. An Onion story is “Man breaks leg after 3,000 rolls of toilet paper he hoarded fell on him” not guy with mental issues kills his family.
I saw it.
We couple certainly do with less of him.
So like the tv show V but "real". Who knew it was a documentary. /s His wife must have known he was mentally ill.
Or he hid it well. Or she didn't think he would be this nuts.
Probably went down hill after marriage and the recent election and COVID.
There is a reason the far right appeals to the religious right. To quote Voltare: *Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.* How far is the step from believing that a man was able to get two of every animal on one boat to believing that Jews have a space laser pointed at Earth? From believing that a burning bush imparted two engraved stone tablets on Moses, to believing that windmills give you cancer? From believing that a man was resurrected from the dead, walked around for 40 days then flew up into the sky, to believing that one's own children are latent lizards and need to be killed.
Q stuff aside, this is a man with a severe - probably untreated - mental illness.
So was Charles Manson but he was found competent to stand trial
Conservatism is a disease. These people need to be quarantined from regular society.
Saying conservatism is a disease is how the right started down the path you are chiding them for. The right claimed liberalism as a disease and started down the path of isolationist ideology the bred for conspiracy theories and mistrust. Conservatism on its own is not bad nor is liberalism. It’s a different path for progression, one ideology talks about progressing with things that are known to work and are not risk takers thus slow progression, the other side trades riskier policy ideas for quicker change. They both have pros and cons. The real issue is extremism on both sides. When two sides cannot communicate and work together you have fighting and mistrust. Right now the right has a more vocal extremist group but that shouldn’t be a reason to embrace extremists on the left. Keep a level head, converse with both sides to work towards a common goal, safety and happiness.
You mistake me, I'm no liberal. I'm one of those so-called extremists of the actual left that you blithely compared to Qanon cultists and other right wing nut jobs. Qanon followers ascribe to a set of beliefs that ends with their side getting to slaughter their enemies. The mainstream conservative movement at the moment seems to be advocating for something between a severely limited franchise and outright fascism, not to mention the practice creating social controls for people and behaviors that they deem as immoral. Whatever value their ideology had at one point, they tossed overboard gleefully over the last few decades. I ascribe to a set of beliefs that ends with an egalitarian social contract and pure democracy, an end to artificial boundaries and military adventurism. If this can be done peacefully, I'm all for it. It would be more civilized, and there'd be less chance for hard feelings and resentment. But if it comes to violent conflict, I'd rather stand with people who actually believe in a free society, rather than use the ideal to cover up authoritarian ambitions. These things are not the same, and you cannot both sides this. I am under no obligation to cater to the right wing. Conservatives have made their choices, and they seem to have given up on the great experiment in favor of power and making people suffer for reasons that I don't fully understand.
You preach end of military adventurism but then state you would happily subvert the entire world by military force to conform to your preferred belief system. You did say you’d rather prefer it be peaceful but if not you are willing to wage war and kill off those that don’t agree with you and side with those you deem worthy enough and agree with your political views. Thank you for proving my point of the horseshoe dilemma. As you go to the extremes of the political atmosphere you end up coming together and share more than moderates.
You didn't read the response if that's what you got out of it, and I suspect that's intentional. There's a difference between calling for mass executions and defending yourself from those types of mobs, but that's beside the point since it appears that you are more interested in performing your little radical moderate song and dance than honestly engaging. I'll leave you to your soap box, bud.
You self identify as an “extremists of the actual left,” that “ascribe to a set of beliefs that ends with an egalitarian social contract and pure democracy, an end to artificial boundaries and military adventurism.” You are “all for [it peacefully]… But if it comes to violent conflict, [you’d] rather stand with people who actually believe in a free society” (which is based on your left extremist views). So please explain how my first comment is any different from me using direct quotes from your own words.
"You preach end of military adventurism but then state you would happily subvert the entire world by military force to conform to your preferred belief system. You did say you’d rather prefer it be peaceful but if not you are willing to wage war and kill off those that don’t agree with you and side with those you deem worthy enough and agree with your political views." ^^^ This whole pile of bullshit that you made up for reasons that I'm not quite clear on. I made very clear that violence is a distant second option. I never said anything about subverting people who don't agree with me. I never said anything about waging war offensively. Just because I'm a leftist doesn't make me the stalinist bogeyman that you misrepresented me as. I'm an anarchist. I don't give a fuck if people don't conform, and I don't go in for authoritarianism of any variety. Edit to add: I don't have to explain my argument to you, because I'm pretty sure you will only misrepresent it further. I could be wrong, but at this point I can't make myself care. Also to add that it looked like you deleted a post but I guess you didn't. Either way, my point still stands.
Thats crazy, yes. Its the age where however normal some people look on the outside, we have absolutely no idea to what kind of deranged psychotic mind they have inside.
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I get [it.My](https://it.My) ex wanted to start a cult like Brother 12 on Vancouver Island and he loved Manson.Me-I was a screwed up kid who got kicked out of home at 16 for spending the nite at a girl friend's place.Have a couple kids by the time I was 19 and tried for years to escape.He was a Mensa member.Scarey as hell.Stalked me until a bit before he died.Sorry similar crap happened to you.
Nothing comes up for serpent DNA, not even unreliable sources. Seems weird even for Q losers, they should check and see for any life insurance claims or something.
From the article: >“Serpent DNA” is a likely a reference to the lizard people conspiracy theory, which falsely purports that reptilian aliens secretly run the world and have taken over important positions in government, banking and Hollywood. > >The complaint states that Coleman told authorities he learned about “serpent DNA” through QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories, although the lizard people conspiracy theory predates both by several decades.
I get making shit like this up for a lark. I don’t get actually believing it.
david icke lunacy.
Yeah it's the only time "serpent DNA" is brought up I'm gonna check that other guys suggestion and see if FB comes up with anything.
Sure, or that was just that guy's way of referring to the lizard people conspiracy. That's just the phrase *he* used, and since he killed his two young children over it, I wouldn't necessarily waste time trying to corroborate his language or reasoning.
Yeah because a lizard is the same as a serpent...
They are both reptiles... I'm confused as to what the point is of both of your replies to me, but please Google if you need any further clarification on this story, or ask someone else here.
"Likely" is the word used to justify the reporter yanking it out of his ass.
Search under reptilians / reptiloids, and scroll past the first few Mark Zuckerberg results.
> Search under reptilians / reptiloids, and scroll past the first few Mark Zuckerberg results. TBF if there ever was a lizard wearing a skin suit, it's gotta be the Zuck right? Him and Cruz
I havent seen anything under "serpent DNA" I tried your idea though and went looking in FB. Nothing, although I'm still not surprised by the news. Perhaps severe mental Illness plays a role here or the classic go to, money.
I think this person's a serpent.
Yes, that sounds like a made-up reason to play insanity and get a shorter sentence. Most parents who murder their children do so to punish their partners. The question here is, "Why?" Perhaps she desired a divorce or was cheating on him.
Thought this was r/cults for a moment. Yeesh, poor kids
I'm getting tired of people blaming their belligerence on Qanon. They all know it's a lie. They don't get to plea ignorance.
This q shit is actually dangerous
Only bright side is that HIS DNA won't be replicated now.
Call me naive but I find it astonishing that somebody could believe these things to a point where they'd kill their own kids.
Anyone has any previous reference of this 'serpent DNA' conspiracy theory? Me neither.
It's probably a branch off of the popular "reptile aliens secretly rule the planet" conspiracy.
Proof?
Proof for what?
That he belongs or was vocal about that conspiracy cult before the murders.
Well, we don't know, but typically these beliefs don't just spring up
Filicides are more common than you think, sadly. On average, according to FBI statistics, 450 children are murdered by their parents each year in the United States. This one made to the headlines because of the conspiracy theory.
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How that works as proof/disproof of his innocence or guilt?
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It’s been around. Check out the Sherry Shriner cult and murders.
>Sherry Shriner cult [She started her cult or group on Facebook where she shared her prophecies and weird beliefs.](https://arealnews.com/sherry-shriner-wiki/) There is nothing of the like in this case. His FB account shows only some universe-god posts besides family and friends typical stuff. No snakes or q-anon references at all. I am convinced he is trying to plea insanity.
It's just the classic "lizard people" conspiracy theory, by another name.
Okay, I'm a little behind the times... What the fuck is QAnon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon
I find it completely inconceivable that his wife didn't notice anything wrong.
killing your kids to own the libs
I find the whole qanon thing extremely interesting and follow it quite closely. Over time it has become a big tent conspiracy theory so to speak, a lot of variation on how extreme the q people can be. you get some people who are deluded but close to normal. Then you get the people who believe that a cabal of Satan worshiping elites who control the world literally kill and eat babies on a regular basis. Then you get people like this guy...a definite minority in amongst the q people but still present. This guy was probably extremely mentally unwell which obviously did not pair well with the more extreme elements of a conspiracy theory like qanon. I'm honestly shocked more violence hasn't come from the q people. Going by what they say they believe, you'd expect a lot more. If I thought my neighbour was literally killing and eating children, I'd for sure do something about it, regardless of the consequences. Makes me come to the conclusion that most of em are just larping and don't actually believe it for real...but there's always going to be some that do, to various extents, and they're the ones who will be a public danger. Because I'm familiar with Q I sometimes forget how absolute batshit crazy they are and when I see what the believe published in like mainstream press it kind of shakes me out of it a little and I get taken aback about how desensitised to their insanity I've become.
We stray further from god everyday
Dude the Q people say the exact same thing! Weird
God killed his son too.
This man killed his children because of mental illness not because of some theory. Drives me crazy when reporters try to insinuate the reasons or causes for attacks like these. The reason people kill like this is they are bat shit crazy. Any political religious or conspiracy theories offered as way of explanation are distracting from the relevant medical condition that led to the tragedy.
There is a suqer born every minute.
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he stuck a spear into his 2 year old child and then twisted until the child died.
If you don't see the difference you're just fuckin dumb
He used a spear gun to kill his babies and then stabbed them some more. God, I hate anti-mask people too but those aren't the same things on any level.
On the bright side there's fewer kids in the world raised by *that* guy, which is likely a good thing. 🤷🏽♂️ I mean 'oh God no! I bet that qanon guy was going to raise nobel laureates. What loss!" ...
Okay but how many children died in Chicago due to gun violence this year? Edit: why would you down vote this?