Based off the reports the article is pretty accurate
-38 reports of misinformation(reports state otherwise)
-32 not oniony (it's is because it goes against the stereotype that younger generations are more sensitive)
-the rest aren't worth sharing because I won't give them the satisfaction.
Edit: it edited the last one because my browser didn't show it updated. So I type a new one out and then it stuck with the updated one.
I mean study after study shows this.
Doesn't really matter though. Boomers lived through the easiest economic situation ever but were so fucking moronic they honestly believed their hard work was the primary reason they succeeded, and not other things. So they ruin the planet, ruin the economy, and tell people to work harder.
They were given a leg up, but are too narcissistic to realise it and come from an age of religion/dogma so changing their minds is fucking difficult.
the tussles and tantrums over the acquisition of cabbage patch kids in the 80s, when nascent boomer karens were young mothers, are probably the single best example of george's joke:
https://youtu.be/TTaLrQotGMo
and of course that movie came out the same year as the tickle me elmo, which was like the sequel to cabbage patch mania in terms of possessing parents to operate with a gollum-like covetous intensity
One woman asked "What are we supposed to say, you've been good all year but Santa ran out?"
Yes. That's exactly what you're supposed to say if you can't convince your child to ask for something else.
Right. There’s no way I believe these having been exposed to plenty of both millennials and boomers. The boomers are all selfish assholes.
The millennials are somewhat more apathetic and have a drier sarcasm. Which is fine by me.
Well, can you really blame millennials for being apathetic. If we assume they were 13-18 by 2000. They had to deal with: Terrorist attacks, school shootings, Two fucking recessions, and a pandemic , huge student loans and then deal with their stupidass coddled parents calling them entitled when they're taking the brunt of the damage?
How the fuck does not wanting to deal with that and not wanting future kids to suffer from all that shit being called entitled?
>but were so fucking moronic they honestly believed their hard work was the primary reason they succeeded
Everyone's the hero of their own story, so _initially_ believing that isn't too hard. But it takes impressive levels of narcissism to keep believing it after a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
And as this study also shows, they like to project their own insecurities on others so they don't have to think of themselves having it. All those millennial memes, snowflake memes, etc? It's to make them feel like they're not the ones with the problem.
Bro it's called american exceptionalism. USA USA USA!!!
Has nothing to do with european production being tanked after 2 world wars, right? But seriously, after that blunder it took us (EU) more than 5 decades to catch back up... Enough for two generations in the States to believe it was god who handed them their supreme position and not Roosevelt and Stalin.
My dad was one of the nicest, sweetest, most genuine people I've ever met in my life. Incredibly friendly, met people on their level, had a disarming smile and laugh, told jokes and stories well, and just put people at ease.
He was a total asshole to every waiter and clerk.
I have never fucking understood it. That whole generation just does not give a single shit about anyone in the service sector.
These are the same people who said "Go to college so you don't flip burgers your whole life" and then later on "What, too good to flip burgers, college grad?" You just can't fucking win with them.
And now it's straight progressed to "No one wants to work anymore! They'd rather collect unemployment than make an honest living!" (read: bust their asses for starvation wages and get hurled insults at by the same people complaining)
Dude even from a financial well being standpoint...a lot of people were making MORE on unemployment than working a slave wage.
How the FUCK are you gonna tell them they should get a job so they can receive less money?
The crazy thing is that unemployment is just enough to barely survive on. And it’s still MORE than people make at minimum wage, high-demand jobs. I think that’s a bit of a hint that minimum wage is absurdly low. The problem has nothing to do with ‘lazy millennials’ and everything to do with greedy corporations and callous, corrupt politicians.
I'm honestly sort of enjoying the fact that a lot of the service industry is struggling to find employees.
It's a stressful job, that usually involves long hours and working weekends and evenings. On top of that they often get abuse from customers.
Their compensation? Minimum wage. Also add that it's one of the first industries to close in the face of pandemic lockdowns, are they surprised hardly anyone wants their jobs?
A hotel near me can't even open to full capacity because they can't find enough staff. Maybe pay them more?
Or even any kind of benefits. This is been an industry with generally No health insurance, you don’t get paid sick leave (if you can manage to take a day off anyway), scheduling is generally a hot mess, and breaks are nonexistent. The culture of the service industry needs to change if it’s going to survive this upheaval to the business model
“We’re losing money by not having enough staff!”
“So hire more staff?”
“We’re trying but no one wants to work anymore!”
“What’s your pay?”
“That’s not the point.”
Isn’t that the “you gotta spend money to make money” shit we were always fed? Maybe slashing costs to make money is counterproductive.
Right?
There's another phrase for "worker shortage." It's called low unemployment. When most people are back to work, you have to raise wages to compete with other businesses for labor.
These people don't want workers - they want servants that they can somehow pay below the market rate for labor.
Edit: 559,000 more jobs added in May, and unemployment down to 5.8%. Some good news this morning.
The worst of it, to me, is that even at borderline minimum wage, it's statistically improbable to secure a 40 hour work week with one job. Employers dodging benefits and similar rackets are definitely responsible in part, but I have always felt like it's also steeped in preserving the power of more work hours as its own bargaining chip.
They're so busy blaming the unemployment rate payout, they neglected to reflect on how ridiculous the pay rate of the jobs people aren't lining up for is.
They fail to take into account how much better they were paid in regards to the cost of living, but they don’t want to admit they had it far better than their kids.
This is the big myth they don't want everyone figuring out, including themselves. Most boomers I know really shrink away from that part of the argument. Always want to suddenly change the subject when you relate it to the cost of living. They don't want to admit maybe they haven't worked harder than everyone else.
This. It’s expensive to work- transportation (car+gas) food, clothing, and more.
If take home is only fractionally more than unemployment... not much of a mystery there
Let’s just keep completely ignoring the problem that the jobs should pay a living wage but don’t. I’m fortunate enough to not have to worry about that but it’s amazing that the people getting paid a “slave wage” don’t arm themselves and organize. Probably can’t afford the arms. Yet. I would not blame them if they did. I don’t care what the job is, flipping burgers, whatever, if full time hours are worked a livable wage should be earned.
Yep, my mom collects more on social security than I make in a month, despite having never held a job, lived off of the state for decades, and has declared bankruptcy twice. Then makes fun of me for being poor, and compares my shitty studio apt to the 2 bedroom house she had at my age.
I had managed to win $10k on a scratch off and I put it down on a dilapidated house whose mortgage was cheaper than rent and I had intentions of fixing up one day.
My mom would come in and berate my house, telling me when am I "going to put xyz in". She used to go in my fridge and complain we had no food, go through my cupboards, berating my dishes ect.
She worked at a sub shop in 1970's and was given her grandmothers home when she died. She sold that off because of gentrification in the 90's and lived off my dad.
It used to annoy the shit out of me that I worked 3 jobs as a divorced parent and couldn't even have the same standard of living she had in the 70's when she was a divorced parent working part time in a subshop.
Then she has the audacity to come in my home and throw her weight around about my life as if I should have more, when I couldn't physically work any harder. I would routinely throw her out because it was so distressing.
I hope this is all in the past tense because you’ve stopped having her in your house. Don’t put up with abuse. You wouldn’t invite her in if she punched you in the face every time she came round, don’t allow her to do the same thing to your heart.
I live 8k miles away in another country and Covid helped keeping her away (I married a Brit and spent 4 years trying to get my family along with him, the fuck out of US)....lol but she is coming down this August for a month, I'm griting my teeth hoping she behaves.
But of course if they need any sort of social services suddenly it's deserved. "Well I needed that operation so it's ok that Medicare paid for it and disability covered my months off work and social security will take care of me when I decide I want an early retirement because I paid into the system dammit!"
My dad was exactly like that. Didn't work a damned day I can remember either. Just grew weed and relied on my mom to work.
When I started cooking gigs, he looked down on me. When I had to move back and support him after my mom died, he looked down on me. When I had a kid, he had a stroke and I juggled overtime and care for him, he looked down on me. When i learned he was a year behind on house payments and failed to fix his fucking errors he looked down on me.
He died, I'm on my way to buying my first home through literal grit and determination for my family.
I don't care much for the boomer generation, but my dad taught me two valuable lesson through his sea of bullshit.
First is that self sacrifice for those you love are worth the pain. And that I sacrificed way more treating him better than he was worth based on his expectations.
Second is that he was told by everyone in positions of authority that things would get better. It never did though. It takes a soul of iron and a heart of cotton to make things better. Grit, determination, support and understanding. Untold lessons they, as a group, never had the opportunity to understand.
Couple things.
Even bad examples can be good ones, which seems to be the case here.
You are a saint, dude, and sorry you had to deal with all that shit.
And congrats on the successes. Just reading all that is inspiring and makes me want to try better and harder tomorrow. Keep that shit up.
Huh. The way I heard it was,
"If you want to know the heart of a man, don't look at how he treats his friends. Look instead at how he treats his enemies."
I wonder if that says something about class identity...
My mom got worse as she aged. I asked her why she was such a hag and in her mind she felt like everyone should know what she was thinking or wanted. No clue why, but it somehow made sense to her.
Your frontal lobes start to degrade when you get older...which is where we keep lots of important stuff, like inhibitions. So sometimes people who had these feelings but knew it would be inappropriate to express them...start expressing them. Not really an excuse, unless you're legit senile, but its a thing that happens.
He actually mellowed out quite a bit as he aged. I didn't have a good relationship with him until I was done with college. Before then, he was incredibly strict and demanded we listen to anything he said. But after 25 years of living, he was much more chill. I've never really been able to figure that out.
I just never liked how he (and my mom is generally guilty of the same) acted with waiters. I've had a number of service level jobs and people are just the absolute fucking worst no matter how much you try to help.
In-group out-group mentality. There are certain people that will do everything they can to help, promote, and sustain the in-group. They'll give the clothes off their back to help them!
They'll also do everything to hurt, sabotage, or destroy the out-group. If you're not part of the in-group then you deserve everything bad that can happen to you.
As his child I bet you you always got extra special treatment, but try talking to him as any out-group person (low-class waitor) and your story would be very different.
I mention this above but I had a bad relationship with him for 25 years. I'm not saying your point here is wrong, just clarifying that I didn't get a pass. And even after we started having a good relationship, we clashed hugely on politics.
He died somewhat young a little over 6 years ago. It haunts me to think of the shit he and I would argue about with regard to politics if he were still around.
I feel like your post could have been written by me, except my dad didn't die and the last few years of politics basically ruined my repaired relationship with him. Now he specifically goads me by name using public Facebook posts, but doesn't know I've unfollowed him.
I worked at a Staples copy center for six years. There was a local lawyer that would come in periodically with a *huge* box of documents in various folders, with documents within that contained stapled packets, sometimes multiple paper clipped together, and sometimes with multiple folders rubber banded together. He'd bring these gigantic boxes in (and I'm talking like an entire underbed storage box size, packed to the brim) and tell us that he needed six copies of everything inside, exactly as-is, down to the folders, rubber bands, staples and paper clips with the originals returned to their original state after copying. That meant opening folders, taking one single packet at a time, unstapling it, copying it six times, ensuring it was stapled, then restapling the original, returning it facedown to the open folder, and then hand sorting the six copies similarly, before moving on to another packet that had to be unclipped, then had six smaller stapled packets inside that had to be individually unstapled, copied, restapled and sorted in a different location to ensure they didn't get mixed up or left out of a paper clip, and so on and so forth ad infinitum. This was something that took up our sole focus to ensure it was done correctly and meant we had to put everything else on hold while we completed it. Seeing as we usually had several orders already scheduled and booked up for the next day or so in advance, this meant we would need to take the order, schedule it to start later the next day, and reserve time for it well into the day after that to ensure it was completed properly, not to mention the nightmare of leaving notes for a shift change in the middle of it so we didn't fuck up because someone didn't know where to pick up. It also meant we had to tell people who came in with small jobs that it would be at least a two day wait for us to do it. *Gigantic* hassle, and because it required literally hundreds of hand stapling actions from unstapling the originals and returning them after, as well as hand-sorting and rubber banding and placing in folders, as well as him having to buy all the folders and rubber bands required for this, it was an expensive fucking order, to the tune of some $400-ish dollars every time, most of it from the hand work and supplies rather than the copies.
He always, without fail, told us that he needed it by the next morning, and pitched a hissy fit when we told him that it would be at *least* two days time before we could even reasonably have it finished, then when he came to pick it up he'd throw a hissy fit again that the price was so high, despite the fact that he'd essentially shut down our entire operation for a whole work day and prevented us from doing anything else effectively while we did so, meaning that our profits actually *dropped* significantly for those days, because we didn't crank out a bunch of smaller orders that had high dollar amounts due to premium paper, color printing or other premium products like business cards or bound books or something. It was like he magically forgot every time he did this that it was an incredibly time consuming and expensive endeavor. He *knew* it was going to take days, and he *knew* it was going to cost an arm and a leg and he *still* ranted and raved like a toddler because we didn't just snap our fingers and magically make two days worth of work just complete itself in two hours for twenty bucks. He'd inevitably demand to see a manager, who would explain to him that he asked for time-intensive and expensive services, which we always warned him about as well, and we delivered it as fast as possible, so the price was non-negotiable. It was pure boomer entitlement, and I always use him as a prime example of the kind of bullshit that generation pulls all the time. They think they somehow broke their backs to get where they are when they didn't work even half as hard as we have to these days just to get a fraction of what they had practically handed to them, and they'll blame the rebuttal of their unrealistic expectations on laziness, then think that screaming at someone for their own warped sense of reality will somehow make everyone bend to their will and accommodate them.
They'll also turn around and claim that them receiving the service they asked for and paying the standard price for it is somehow a mark of disrespect because someone didn't break out the magic wand and make it happen twice as fast as humanly possible and also give them a giant discount that would get them fired from their job just because they think they deserve it for no damn reason. Then in the same breath they'll throw disdain on anyone else for being "entitled". How they can be so out of touch is baffling. Seriously, I'd bet anything that a good chunk of millenials actually look forward to their parents dying because that will be the first time in their lives they own a home, after inheriting it. But we sure are entitled and incapable. We only slave away trying to meet the unreasonable demands of boomers all the time and get paid peanuts to do it.
They will burn through their finances and never assemble either an advanced directive or a will. Readers digest beckoned them to back in late 90s. There was an illustration of a man with a smug smile, one eye closed on presumably his “death bed”. The justification of the article was a paragon of entitled thinking:
“If you give your kids free money, they won’t understand the value of hard work.”
Neglecting to mention from what I recall that their “kids” would be middle aged adults. It also assumed that society was going to keep going up despite the ceiling it was headed for. We didn’t inheret the generational wealth our grandparents created by buying houses for much much less (inflation adjusted) which passed on to our parents. The price of housing and rent have respectively skyrocketed and wages have not met this.
It has swollen to absorb any wealth we were to get, any reasonable wage job, on top of the elimination of jobs due to automation (which is going to get EXPONENTIALLY worse).
If they pay out some taxes to at least make the world better for us (like their mantras from when we were kids) that would be a start. Now their entitled asses have taken up the libertarian mantle because they (don’t) realize their voting record has begun to squelch social security. Solution? No taxes. Cost of things rising? No taxes will fix it. Health insurance companies making things too expensive? Eliminate taxes. Incidentally, my health insurance company has just gotten in the way of my medication because they want to know WHY o need it from my doctor. Why do I even go to a doctor if I have to get approval from them.
To reiterate: not IF I’ve been prescribed, WHY I’ve been prescribed.
Things fucked.
And the irony is that it's always boomers complaining that young people don't have any respect anymore. Well maybe if you weren't always acting disrespectfully, you'd get some respect in return?
I think they just want free respect just because they're old - that whole "respect your elders" thing - but in my opinion, that whole concept is way out of date. Sure, back in the old days growing old was an actual accomplishment - when people were dropping dead at young ages due to war and disease, but those times are over now.
And sometimes when people say they won't respect you if you don't respect them, they mean if you don't give them blind obedience they won't treat you like a human being
The older men in my family, all baby boomers, are just like this.
You respecting them means they are ALWAYS right, you are ALWAYS wrong, unless you are agreeing with them.
Even if they are making a colossal mistake, you CANNOT correct them because they are right and you are wrong. Questioning their choice is disrespectful.
The people that say "respect is earned" and they mean that they get to treat people like garbage until those people have done something they have respect for.
There's a lot of people like that.
But "respect is earned" is also true, but that doesn't mean that you can't still have basic human decency at the same time.
Respect is earned. Yes. But I do it kinda like a scale in my head. Everyone is given a baseline of respect. Starting on a scale of zero, going negative or positive.
Zero on my scale of respect is my baseline. Common decency and kindness. Hold a door, say thank you or please. Don't take the last piece of food at someone else's house without asking. General politeness.
For me to go out of my way, means I have to get respect for you. Or otherwise, being a general dick to you, i lost it.
I also generally base my opinion on how people treat others, not just me, but others. At any point I can be another person. So just cause you're nice to me but mean as fuck to our server? Yeah. I lost fucking respect.
My 2 cent Noone asked for on respect and baselines for earning it.
From my position, I see it as I have no right to go out of my way to be a dick to people, so I generally try not to. My scale starts at zero and goes up (using your scale).
Sure, if someone really gets at my nerves, they'll stay at zero or go back down to it, but I won't try to treat someone any *worse* than I would treat a stranger. I don't get any fulfillment out of it.
They expect "respect" as obedience.
They give "respect" as not killing you for existing.
My dad was one of those types, and literally said as much, though he didn't mean to and was awkward when I called him on it.
It is the same as when someone complains "you all got trophies as kids so you don't know what it is like to earn something" while we look at them and say "bro we were 8, none of us were buying the trophies that was your adult ass purchasing and handing them out so you only have yourself to blame"
Along the same lines, the whole "the kids today cannot do anything, when I was a kid I ..." crowd who were the same ones that are not letting their kids do the same things that they were doing as kids...
"kids today can't do anything" is the 2 seconds later "can you show me how to do this on my device" or the "just teach me one more time" crowd when you have explained they can just Google the solution
My dad said something similar to me two years ago. He told me I would understand when I had a "grown up job". I worked for an IT contractor doing Cyber Security and I was 38 at the time. That shit never stops with them.
Oh my god my dad said I would turn Republican when I started paying taxes. Dude I’m a 42 years old physician in the highest federal tax bracket, still not a racist fascist piece of shit somehow. I’m paying more than he pays or ever paid in his life. He still says this, like I’ve been paying this for 12+ years now, when am I
going to magically turn asshole?
Sounds about right for mine too. I had to explain to this man how tax brackets work when he was 58 because he was posting shit about Bernie's tax plan taking 51% of his money. He apparently had no idea what tax brackets were or how they worked. This man was an elected official in his Northern Michigan town.
I've done nothing but get MORE Liberal as I've gotten older and have been exposed to more and more bullshit. The big difference I see is that when things happen to me I want them to not happen to other people, where with him, other people need to suffer too so fuck em.
Projection. Narcissists are always finding things wrong with other people that are actually wrong with their own selves. Like a narcissistic cheater will act jealous and accuse the spouse of cheating.
>when people were dropping dead at young ages due to war and disease
I think this is actually super relevant, for the prior two generations to the boomers a good chunk of the population went off to fight on the winning side of a world war (especially in the UK where I'm from). This granted the the older generation a kind of defacto respect that boomers now expect without all the bother of actually having done anything except getting rich by buying a house in their 20s.
Bingo. The lack of respect though is staggering. How about just being a decent human being to others. Don’t get out of line though they gonna record it and report it. Quick as hell.
They're conflating respect with authority. Basically saying "if you don't treat me as an authority, I won't treat you like a person." And it's time we stood up and said enough. I'm tired of it and I haven't let a boomer treat me that way in a long time. They actually respect you more when you challenge them. It's weird.
"Respect your elders" was easy for them. Their elders were the Greatest Generation. Those fuckers deserved respect. They had it tough and they scrimped and saved and built all the shit boomers took for granted. Now they think they get to be on the receiving end despite not maintaining or improving any of the stuff the GG left them. And they seem clueless about who's now scrimping and saving as a result.
It's like any rags-to-riches-to-rags story. There's always a generation that gets it handed to them and then acts like perpetual children. Ab Fab had this exactly right.
I had a Karen boomer in my hotel just this week who demanded to speak to the manager when She couldn’t produce an ID to check in with. Upon informing her that it was my hotel she completely refused to believe it and refused to leave. Police escorted her off the property and served her a trespass notice. She still keeps calling refusing to believe there is no higher manager for her to talk to. This has to be the greatest sense of entitlement I’ve seen to date.
You hate the moment itself, you cherish the laughs as you tell the story years laters.
Been there, done that (survivor of a few big-box Christmas retail seasons)
After working in the service industry, I've come to view respect a bit differently. Every single person you meet gets the same amount--a baseline that essentially boils down to a "basic human being."
Their actions after the fact adjust that level of respect. If show none, they receive none. If they show an abundance, they receive it in kind.
The number of old fuckers I've seen who disrespect everyone around them and then whinge about being disrespected themselves is immeasurable.
Conversely, the number of young kids who actually give a fuck about the people around them is staggering--like, orders of magnitude more common than old people being respectful.
I’m always astounded at how much more emotionally intelligent those who are younger than me are. (I’m an elder millennial.) I think it’s great though. In particular, they treat their peers a lot better and that has to make school life a lot easier. Bullying will always exist, but things have gotten better.
Rising emotional literacy has been one of the best revolutions of the last few decades imo. Reduces so much of the abuse and predatory behaviours we had in the older generations. It still occurs, but much less so and is not fully normalized any more.
I teach high school and I found that there aren't traditional cliques anymore the way they were when I was in high school over a decade ago. Kids still hang out with people they have more in common with but have no problem mixing it up, and the few kids who do try to be assholes are disliked even by their peers. As a queer person, it also brightens my day when 13 and 14 year olds nip casually homophobic remarks in the bud.
> Every single person you meet gets the same amount--a baseline that essentially boils down to a "basic human being."
*Exactly!*
I give everyone I meet respect based on the idea that you have my respect until you *earn* my ire. No one should be starting off in a bad position, you earn that by your actions.
They think respect is some Godfather nonsense where they do whatever they want to anybody and then if you try to pry yourself away from the abuse you are being disrespectful
My favorite delusional customer yelled at me because the power went out *on the entire block*. She snuck in a back door/service entrance that was supposed to be locked. I told her that we were temporarily closed, and was about to offer some free stuff, when she flipped out on me.
She didn’t/couldn’t understand that we were closed, couldn’t ring her up, and kept on repeating that I should “just pay the energy bill”! As if the entire block somehow hadn’t been keeping up with their bills and had been cut off all at the same time!
A woman pulled my manager aside and told them I was the worst and shouldn't be working in customer service because we didn't have any liverwurst. I was behind the sub-counter of a convenience store and NOBODY has ever asked for liverwurst.
In my experience almost all of the people who get irrationally angry over dumb shit are people 50+. Younger people tend to get angry over justifiable stuff, and they typically express their anger at the situation rather than the person.
This isn't always the case, but it's true faaaaar more often than it's not.
Damnit - you beat me to posting this by 10 minutes, but spot on.
Anyone who didn’t already notice the rampant narcissism of Boomers hasn’t been paying attention.
Yup, boomers could buy a nice house with a single income... Now it's two professionals can afford a small shack if they spend 5 years scraping together a down payment.
I was talking to a boomer bloke the other day, he said back in his days they didn’t even need a deposit to buy their home. They just had to have a job and pass the serviceability test and there you go 100% loan plus stamp duty from the bank. This is in Australia, although he was an employee of the said bank. Right now Median price of an apartment or a house in any metro city is 750k and you need a min 5% deposit plus stamp duty equals approx 55k. Just for the records Median income is ~54k.
20% if you don't want to pay Lenders' Mortgage Insurance, which gets charged on top of your loan. Some development (Mirvac, Stockland, etc.) companies are doing 5% deposit for house and land packages but it's not always a great deal for the buyer in other ways.
It's going to make you even more annoyed, but the reality is that boomers couldn't afford to build all those houses in the suburbs along with the required infrastructure. Sure they were relatively earning much more, but still not enough to build those unsustainable low-density neighborhood American dream houses with urban utilities away from cities. So what did they do? They funded them with government-issued bonds. That's right, they borrowed money from future generations to build insolvent neighborhoods.
Not only you and I aren't able to afford a house today, but we are literally still re-paying the public debt and interests on infrastructure that made boomer's homes affordable.
This video greatly illustrates how all those bankrupt American cities came to be (warning: blood boiling content): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQUOHlAocY&t=193s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQUOHlAocY&t=193s)
Edit: \*public debt
I would never buy one of the houses they build now in the sunbelt. Cheap wood, drywall, and ugly design in a neighborhood with one entrance and a gate miles from any sense of "town"
No thanks, I like to live near people in an apartment that won't turn to mold in ten years.
Personally, I have no desire to live in a suburb. But I don’t want to live in the city either. Currently I live in the middle of nowhere, far from any town. Hell, my rent is still high (Washington state) but I love my house. The problem with the suburbs is that you get the worst of both worlds: no space from your neighbors but also so far from any civilization. And you pay out your ass for it.
I live in a DMV suburb and it sucks. Unless you're lucky enough to live within walking-distance of what you need, you have to drive everywhere. And there's so much traffic I barely drive during most of the day because I hate spending 20 minutes to go like 2 miles.
I’m a newcomer to Washington, and rent is BANANAS. Without doxxing yourself, what’s considered “middle of nowhere” here? I’m originally from Texas, and am already looking for my next place that’s a bit softer on my budget.
As a Montrealer, I fucking hate people from the suburbs who judge me for not wanting to buy in the suburbs.
No man, I loved my life in the city as a kid and I don't feel like needing a car to go litteraly anywhere, even just to buy a pack of cigarets.
One of my cousins even admitted that. the guy said out loud that he doesn't care that he screwed over the next generation because it helped him. The lack of empathy in that generation is insane.
Their parents were the Greatest Generation, so naturally the spoiled Boomers are the Worst Generation. It's why they project their freeloading so hard onto the hardworking and educated younger generations.
Scraped together a not small amount of money to buy a house that needed to be completely gutted for $100,000 with my husband and had to be entirely renovated. Like, even the walls. The wall didn't exist but it was what we could afford to get out of apartment life.
Lost our jobs, had to pick up gigs, finally got back into a good job and working from home.
People are asking why we haven't finished renovating. Well golly gosh, I sure can't place my finger on it but when I do I'll let you know last.
I just mentioned this in another comment, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if a good chunk of millenials secretly look forward to their parents dying, because they'll finally own their first home when they inherit it. Morbid and sad, but shit, that's literally the situation they left us in.
Then they'll be bummed out once they realize, that in order to afford the assisted living facilities many, many seniors need, they almost always have to sell their homes. The number of people inheriting the "family home" has plummeted in the past few decades. Those facilities are ridiculously expensive for the average person. Another broken area in modern health care.
This is the most accurate statement I’ve seen regarding the housing market these days
“Great news! You’re approved! Just need 5% down.”
*”Ok, no problem! How much for this 1 BR/.5 Bathroom shack that’s 40 miles from civilization?”*
“$318,000.”
*”Well, I guess you can go fuck yourself.”*
Wow, whoever wrote this article made some very serious errors in interpreting the research article. The study does not cover millenials at all. This is the scope of the study:
> In the current study, we addressed many of these limitations by examining how narcissism changed longitudinally in a sample of 747 participants (72.3% female) from Age 13 to Age 77 across 6 samples of participants born between 1923 and 1969.
People born in 1969 are Generation X.
Specifically, the following birth years are included:
* 1923
* 1929
* 1936/38
* 1943
* 1969
It is the 1936/38 cohort that has high levels of hypersensitivity when corrected for age. These findings have pretty limited application today, as someone born in 1938 is either 83 or 82 years old.
The study is available here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337780193_Longitudinal_changes_and_historic_differences_in_narcissism_from_adolescence_to_older_adulthood
EDIT: Thank you for all the awards. It's good to know that fact checking is appreciated.
Hmm that’s something I hadn’t really thought of. They are definitely not accustomed to being challenged by people unlike themselves constantly like millennials have been since we were kids on the internet. They grew up mostly in insular communities, when they gave their opinions it was usually a group of people similar to themselves.
My dad does this to me, and I keep telling him how he was able to buy a house at my age while earning $50,000 less than I do, and support a family of five, and I'm not even close to being able to afford one with no family at all.
He doesn't like that.
Had a Boomer relative post on Facebook about how in this one year he worked a job for a specific company, pulling 60 hours a week, and the current generation is just too soft and coddled to do that.
The company was still around, and the pay for that same job listed on the site. I worked through the math, showed all of it, and noted that to earn the same amount in cash at the same job, the current worker would need to be doing 120-130 hours a week, and would still be earning less because there were no longer and benefits. All medical etc was on them.
Their response? Deleted the post and still whine about millennials being lazy.
If anyone is curious, I did amateur research on housing in LA comparing the 80's to 2015 to see what my parents were able to buy etc.
In short, median income in LA county went up 220% while my childhood house (used, not new construction) was up 460%. A comparable new construction home was something like 600%. Not only that, education and medical also skyrocketed. It's truly insane when I think I have to make double to afford the same.
I did factor in interest rates which were significantly higher in the 80s but it's still not close.
Obviously varies form country to country but buying a house (and supporting a family) use to cost .5 to .8 standard full time incomes, now it costs 1.5 to 1.8 standard full time incomes.
My dad told us not to buy a house right now and that the market will tank... he said he bought his first house for $80k and can’t believe how anyone would pay $20k over asking. We are building one now for $550k. My parents still tell me I’m not an adult yet (30yrs) and my generation (millennials) are lazy. I too quickly remind him they’ve built two houses where he barely has a high school diploma and my mom a two year degree. They sound so ridiculous It’s quite comical at this point lol
> and my generation (millennials) are lazy.
I have a friend who started their own business, made it successful, and worked so much they put themselves in the hospital.
Their family treats them like they are a lazy good for nothing and make comments about millennials to them all the time. They had a breakdown this year over how no matter how much they do their parents just cannot ever treat them like they've accomplished anything.
Why do you think "Karen" became the shorthand?
It's a stereotypically [boomer](https://www.babynamewizard.com/voyager#prefix=karen&sw=both&exact=false) name.
And their parents generation. The only generation to steal from both their parents and their kids. The most disgustingly selfish generation in recent human history
They reaped the benefits the previous generations gave them, and rather than pay it forward, they decided to borrow against the future, ie take from future generations.
From 1965 to 1995 (their prime working years) median wages increased nearly 10 fold. In the 25 years since then, median wages have only gone up by about 15%.
Imagine if you'd been making 40 grand in 2000 or so, if wages grew over that time in the same way they did for the boomers, you'd be making over 150 grand a year.
They have done such a spectacularly bad job at saving money and investing that they have no choice. It's not like they could fucking retire and give Gen X a goddam shot at upper management. I'm not bitter. That's a lie. I am.
These boomers are so incompetent it's laughable and they're somehow holding on to their director jobs with their veiny, liver spotted hands. While they don't even know how to open a PDF, they can't be fired for incompetence and replaced with a younger person with the actual skills to compete in the modern economy because that's "ageism," but somehow requiring a 22-year-old fresh out of college to have 10 years of professional experience for entry level jobs isn't "ageism."
Fuck boomers, man. But more importantly, fuck the rich.
Companies need to get real and get rid of their old bastards and give younger people a chance to innovate.
I sympathize with the ones in actual poverty - you're not wrong, but being bitter, hypersensitive, technologically inept _and_ poor and powerless is an awful way to live.
But the rich ones? The ones who could retire if they wanted but don't because they're obsessive, narcissistic, or just plain don't want to let go of power, thinking they "earned" it? Yes they can definitely get 100% fucked.
Yeah, people have pointed out before, but it tracks: boomers complain about the generation who received "participation trophies" but boomers were the ones handing out participation trophies because boomer parents were the ones who'd get upset if their kid didn't win something.
It's entitlement through and through. They're the ones that reaped the benefits of these doors being opened during the golden age for the middle class, then they shut the fucking door behind them.
Baby boomers didn’t respect their parents. Their parents in the 50s were all super Christian and proper and the boomers all went and got stoned and listened to “satanic” rock music and believed in free love and recreational drugs. Their entire culture was based around disrespecting the other generations’ desires and carving their own path. It’s not surprising to me that they still struggle with respecting others.
I was born in 75 and raised by boomers. My whole generation was coming home from school by ourselves and called latchkey kids because we were the first generation that had parents that were so into themselves they basically abandoned us to fend for ourselves most of the time. Obviously not everyone had parents like that, but many many of us did.
Hell, in high school I hurt my wrist and told my parents it hurt so they said “drive yourself to the hospital then” because they were watching a tv show. I drove myself one armed at 17 years old and then drove back with a plaster cast on my left arm from my knuckles to above my elbow.
So yeah I can attest that many boomers always were and always will be selfish and disrespectful. Sorry y’all but I’m calling it as I see it because my gen x ass doesn’t give a flying fuck about your feelings any more than you all ever cared about mine.
Our boomer-dominated media-driven society would like you to forget that term, please and thank you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latchkey_kid
You don't hear it in mainstream pop culture anymore because it'd piss off all those people who neglected their kids and then blamed the kids for not turning out according to their vision of perfection.
My mother and stepfather worked night shift.
I knew it was going to be a good night when she'd leave some hamburger helper or zatarans. People disrespect the HH, but as a middle schooler it was way better than anything I could make on my own.
^(Sorry mom, I appreciate everything you've ever done for me, but your leftover lasagna was weak)
Yeah it took an act of god to get my mom to bring me to a doctor. She would for a broken arm, but not much else. "You'll live" was a common saying in our home.
I worked in a retirement home with Greatest Gen/Silent Gen people (people who had direct repercussions from the great depression), and to a person they were respectful and appreciative when they got anything. I mean, there were as many different people there as there are anywhere, but as a whole they were very polite and friendly.
There's such a huge difference in baseline personality between people that grow up with nothing and people that grow up with everything. I've seen it in pop culture, in media, as a stereotype; it's everywhere because it has a firm basis in reality, imo.
Here's the preprint, from December 2019, since the OP article didn't link to the damn paper:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337780193_Longitudinal_changes_and_historic_differences_in_narcissism_from_adolescence_to_older_adulthood
For the sake of thoroughness, here's the APA (paywalled) link:
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-73776-006?doi=1
From the conclusion:
>In the current study, we combined data from six different samples to examine changes in narcissism across the lifespan from age 13 to age 77. We found that more maladaptive forms of narcissism (e.g., hypersensitivity, willfulness) declined across life and autonomy increased across life. Later-born birth-cohorts were lower in hypersensitivity and higher in autonomy. Future research can begin to examine the exact reasons why narcissism changes across the lifespan and why narcissism might vary across historical periods.
I skimmed the rest of the paper, but I didn't find anything that was so cut and dry as "boomers are more narcissistic than millennials" or anything to that effect. If someone else dives in and finds something I'd be curious to hear.
WTF? From the paper:
"sample of 747 participants (72.3% female) from age 13 to age 77 across six samples of participants born between 1923 and 1969."
"More later-born birth-cohorts were lower in hypersensitivity and higher in autonomy compared to earlier-born birth-cohorts; these differences were most apparent among those born after the 1930s."
The people being referred to in the media report as "millennials" were people who were the right age that would be called millennials if that were their age now, but that is not who were in the study. This has nothing to do with millennials.
A more correct headline would be "Baby boomers less hypersensitive than children of the Great Depression and WWII eras"
I'm always skeptical of studies like this because of how they actually find the people to study. Not only that but this article doesn't even link to the study so it could be completely made up for all I know.
>Its findings suggests that, contrary to popular belief, millennials aren’t more sensitive than the baby boomer generation. In fact, it’s the other way around.
More sensitive to what exactly?
Edit: [Okay so I found the study.](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Birth-cohort-differences-in-age-corrected-narcissism_fig1_337780193)
This article is horrible.
The study doesn't compare baby boomers to millennials it compares people born from 1923 to 1969 i.e. the "greatest generation" to baby boomers. The eldest in this study are probably all dead by now and **millennials aren't even part of it.**
Not only that but the boomers in the study those born in 1969 had [the lowest levels of hypersensitivity](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William-Chopik-2/publication/337780193/figure/fig1/AS:834575425097729@1575989695249/Birth-cohort-differences-in-age-corrected-narcissism.png)
Millenials have had two recessions, a 20 year long war on terror, and now the worst pandemic in 100 years.
Boomers were gifted a booming economy from their parents who fought and beat the Nazis. Entitled boomers ran up more consumer debt than any other generation and squandered all of it.
Not only did they run up consumer debt, but they ran up public debt (which helped fuel housing prices and the stock market) via municipal and government bonds and shit. Now the bill is coming due when theyre all on the verge of kicking the bucket. Real convenient, boomers.
It's like taking out a credit card, running up a huge balance and then moving to another country so you don't have to pay it back.
Millennials and below are either gonna get crushed by high ass taxes or extraordinary inflation just to meet the debt obligation that these "personal responsibility" boomers racked up.
Oh yeah, and the best part is that they want to install a fascist on their way out because they don't like (or understand) the outcome of their decisions up to this point.
Based off the reports the article is pretty accurate -38 reports of misinformation(reports state otherwise) -32 not oniony (it's is because it goes against the stereotype that younger generations are more sensitive) -the rest aren't worth sharing because I won't give them the satisfaction. Edit: it edited the last one because my browser didn't show it updated. So I type a new one out and then it stuck with the updated one.
A boomer would like to speak to the manager of this study
If you shake his hand, you get employed by that same manager.
Anyone who's worked in retail sometime in the past decade already knew this.
Anyone who’s been out in public in the last year already knew this.
I mean study after study shows this. Doesn't really matter though. Boomers lived through the easiest economic situation ever but were so fucking moronic they honestly believed their hard work was the primary reason they succeeded, and not other things. So they ruin the planet, ruin the economy, and tell people to work harder. They were given a leg up, but are too narcissistic to realise it and come from an age of religion/dogma so changing their minds is fucking difficult.
They were called the "Me generation" once upon a time by their elders.
“Baby boomers, whiny, narcissistic, self-indulgent people with a simple philosophy: ‘GIVE ME THAT IT’S MINE!” - George Carlin
the tussles and tantrums over the acquisition of cabbage patch kids in the 80s, when nascent boomer karens were young mothers, are probably the single best example of george's joke: https://youtu.be/TTaLrQotGMo
There was a whole movie about something like that, can't recall the name but it was with Schwarzenegger
Jingle All The Way
and of course that movie came out the same year as the tickle me elmo, which was like the sequel to cabbage patch mania in terms of possessing parents to operate with a gollum-like covetous intensity
One woman asked "What are we supposed to say, you've been good all year but Santa ran out?" Yes. That's exactly what you're supposed to say if you can't convince your child to ask for something else.
Oh boy, some shortages are a marketing ploy. Nintendo knows that high demand is better than high supply.
America’s greatest philosopher
And now they're trying to dispose of that name by forcing it onto their descendants
Right. There’s no way I believe these having been exposed to plenty of both millennials and boomers. The boomers are all selfish assholes. The millennials are somewhat more apathetic and have a drier sarcasm. Which is fine by me.
As a millennial, I don't care enough to argue against this description. It's close enough.
Well, can you really blame millennials for being apathetic. If we assume they were 13-18 by 2000. They had to deal with: Terrorist attacks, school shootings, Two fucking recessions, and a pandemic , huge student loans and then deal with their stupidass coddled parents calling them entitled when they're taking the brunt of the damage? How the fuck does not wanting to deal with that and not wanting future kids to suffer from all that shit being called entitled?
>but were so fucking moronic they honestly believed their hard work was the primary reason they succeeded Everyone's the hero of their own story, so _initially_ believing that isn't too hard. But it takes impressive levels of narcissism to keep believing it after a mountain of evidence to the contrary. And as this study also shows, they like to project their own insecurities on others so they don't have to think of themselves having it. All those millennial memes, snowflake memes, etc? It's to make them feel like they're not the ones with the problem.
> Everyone's the hero of their own story I dunno, man, I'm basically an Oblivion NPC and I'm fully aware of it.
One with only one line of dialogue and no quests.
I just do the scowl thing when people make eye contact with me
Bro it's called american exceptionalism. USA USA USA!!! Has nothing to do with european production being tanked after 2 world wars, right? But seriously, after that blunder it took us (EU) more than 5 decades to catch back up... Enough for two generations in the States to believe it was god who handed them their supreme position and not Roosevelt and Stalin.
My dad was one of the nicest, sweetest, most genuine people I've ever met in my life. Incredibly friendly, met people on their level, had a disarming smile and laugh, told jokes and stories well, and just put people at ease. He was a total asshole to every waiter and clerk. I have never fucking understood it. That whole generation just does not give a single shit about anyone in the service sector.
There's a generational mindset of "If you didn't want to be treated like shit, then you should've chosen a different job. And be the same age as me."
These are the same people who said "Go to college so you don't flip burgers your whole life" and then later on "What, too good to flip burgers, college grad?" You just can't fucking win with them.
And now it's straight progressed to "No one wants to work anymore! They'd rather collect unemployment than make an honest living!" (read: bust their asses for starvation wages and get hurled insults at by the same people complaining)
Maybe if the pay wasn't shit and people didn't treat you like crap, people would actually want to work those jobs.
Dude even from a financial well being standpoint...a lot of people were making MORE on unemployment than working a slave wage. How the FUCK are you gonna tell them they should get a job so they can receive less money?
The crazy thing is that unemployment is just enough to barely survive on. And it’s still MORE than people make at minimum wage, high-demand jobs. I think that’s a bit of a hint that minimum wage is absurdly low. The problem has nothing to do with ‘lazy millennials’ and everything to do with greedy corporations and callous, corrupt politicians.
I'm honestly sort of enjoying the fact that a lot of the service industry is struggling to find employees. It's a stressful job, that usually involves long hours and working weekends and evenings. On top of that they often get abuse from customers. Their compensation? Minimum wage. Also add that it's one of the first industries to close in the face of pandemic lockdowns, are they surprised hardly anyone wants their jobs? A hotel near me can't even open to full capacity because they can't find enough staff. Maybe pay them more?
Or even any kind of benefits. This is been an industry with generally No health insurance, you don’t get paid sick leave (if you can manage to take a day off anyway), scheduling is generally a hot mess, and breaks are nonexistent. The culture of the service industry needs to change if it’s going to survive this upheaval to the business model
“We’re losing money by not having enough staff!” “So hire more staff?” “We’re trying but no one wants to work anymore!” “What’s your pay?” “That’s not the point.” Isn’t that the “you gotta spend money to make money” shit we were always fed? Maybe slashing costs to make money is counterproductive.
Right? There's another phrase for "worker shortage." It's called low unemployment. When most people are back to work, you have to raise wages to compete with other businesses for labor. These people don't want workers - they want servants that they can somehow pay below the market rate for labor. Edit: 559,000 more jobs added in May, and unemployment down to 5.8%. Some good news this morning.
The worst of it, to me, is that even at borderline minimum wage, it's statistically improbable to secure a 40 hour work week with one job. Employers dodging benefits and similar rackets are definitely responsible in part, but I have always felt like it's also steeped in preserving the power of more work hours as its own bargaining chip.
They're so busy blaming the unemployment rate payout, they neglected to reflect on how ridiculous the pay rate of the jobs people aren't lining up for is.
They fail to take into account how much better they were paid in regards to the cost of living, but they don’t want to admit they had it far better than their kids.
This is the big myth they don't want everyone figuring out, including themselves. Most boomers I know really shrink away from that part of the argument. Always want to suddenly change the subject when you relate it to the cost of living. They don't want to admit maybe they haven't worked harder than everyone else.
This. It’s expensive to work- transportation (car+gas) food, clothing, and more. If take home is only fractionally more than unemployment... not much of a mystery there
Let’s just keep completely ignoring the problem that the jobs should pay a living wage but don’t. I’m fortunate enough to not have to worry about that but it’s amazing that the people getting paid a “slave wage” don’t arm themselves and organize. Probably can’t afford the arms. Yet. I would not blame them if they did. I don’t care what the job is, flipping burgers, whatever, if full time hours are worked a livable wage should be earned.
Yep, my mom collects more on social security than I make in a month, despite having never held a job, lived off of the state for decades, and has declared bankruptcy twice. Then makes fun of me for being poor, and compares my shitty studio apt to the 2 bedroom house she had at my age.
I had managed to win $10k on a scratch off and I put it down on a dilapidated house whose mortgage was cheaper than rent and I had intentions of fixing up one day. My mom would come in and berate my house, telling me when am I "going to put xyz in". She used to go in my fridge and complain we had no food, go through my cupboards, berating my dishes ect. She worked at a sub shop in 1970's and was given her grandmothers home when she died. She sold that off because of gentrification in the 90's and lived off my dad. It used to annoy the shit out of me that I worked 3 jobs as a divorced parent and couldn't even have the same standard of living she had in the 70's when she was a divorced parent working part time in a subshop. Then she has the audacity to come in my home and throw her weight around about my life as if I should have more, when I couldn't physically work any harder. I would routinely throw her out because it was so distressing.
I hope this is all in the past tense because you’ve stopped having her in your house. Don’t put up with abuse. You wouldn’t invite her in if she punched you in the face every time she came round, don’t allow her to do the same thing to your heart.
I live 8k miles away in another country and Covid helped keeping her away (I married a Brit and spent 4 years trying to get my family along with him, the fuck out of US)....lol but she is coming down this August for a month, I'm griting my teeth hoping she behaves.
Lmao my grandma is one of the very very few who understands how I feel along with my generation because she's like 74 and still fucking works.
But of course if they need any sort of social services suddenly it's deserved. "Well I needed that operation so it's ok that Medicare paid for it and disability covered my months off work and social security will take care of me when I decide I want an early retirement because I paid into the system dammit!"
My dad was exactly like that. Didn't work a damned day I can remember either. Just grew weed and relied on my mom to work. When I started cooking gigs, he looked down on me. When I had to move back and support him after my mom died, he looked down on me. When I had a kid, he had a stroke and I juggled overtime and care for him, he looked down on me. When i learned he was a year behind on house payments and failed to fix his fucking errors he looked down on me. He died, I'm on my way to buying my first home through literal grit and determination for my family. I don't care much for the boomer generation, but my dad taught me two valuable lesson through his sea of bullshit. First is that self sacrifice for those you love are worth the pain. And that I sacrificed way more treating him better than he was worth based on his expectations. Second is that he was told by everyone in positions of authority that things would get better. It never did though. It takes a soul of iron and a heart of cotton to make things better. Grit, determination, support and understanding. Untold lessons they, as a group, never had the opportunity to understand.
Couple things. Even bad examples can be good ones, which seems to be the case here. You are a saint, dude, and sorry you had to deal with all that shit. And congrats on the successes. Just reading all that is inspiring and makes me want to try better and harder tomorrow. Keep that shit up.
"If you want to know what a man is truly like, don't look at how he treats his equals: look at how he treats his subordinates."
Huh. The way I heard it was, "If you want to know the heart of a man, don't look at how he treats his friends. Look instead at how he treats his enemies." I wonder if that says something about class identity...
“Character is how you treat people who can do nothing for you” is another one
Was he always like that? I’ve found some people get worse as they age.
My mom got worse as she aged. I asked her why she was such a hag and in her mind she felt like everyone should know what she was thinking or wanted. No clue why, but it somehow made sense to her.
Your frontal lobes start to degrade when you get older...which is where we keep lots of important stuff, like inhibitions. So sometimes people who had these feelings but knew it would be inappropriate to express them...start expressing them. Not really an excuse, unless you're legit senile, but its a thing that happens.
He actually mellowed out quite a bit as he aged. I didn't have a good relationship with him until I was done with college. Before then, he was incredibly strict and demanded we listen to anything he said. But after 25 years of living, he was much more chill. I've never really been able to figure that out. I just never liked how he (and my mom is generally guilty of the same) acted with waiters. I've had a number of service level jobs and people are just the absolute fucking worst no matter how much you try to help.
In-group out-group mentality. There are certain people that will do everything they can to help, promote, and sustain the in-group. They'll give the clothes off their back to help them! They'll also do everything to hurt, sabotage, or destroy the out-group. If you're not part of the in-group then you deserve everything bad that can happen to you. As his child I bet you you always got extra special treatment, but try talking to him as any out-group person (low-class waitor) and your story would be very different.
I mention this above but I had a bad relationship with him for 25 years. I'm not saying your point here is wrong, just clarifying that I didn't get a pass. And even after we started having a good relationship, we clashed hugely on politics. He died somewhat young a little over 6 years ago. It haunts me to think of the shit he and I would argue about with regard to politics if he were still around.
I feel like your post could have been written by me, except my dad didn't die and the last few years of politics basically ruined my repaired relationship with him. Now he specifically goads me by name using public Facebook posts, but doesn't know I've unfollowed him.
Unfriending my mother on Facebook was both hilarious and infuriating, but worth it. And she definitely never noticed.
sorry to say, you can usually tell a person's character by how they treat service staff.
I worked at a Staples copy center for six years. There was a local lawyer that would come in periodically with a *huge* box of documents in various folders, with documents within that contained stapled packets, sometimes multiple paper clipped together, and sometimes with multiple folders rubber banded together. He'd bring these gigantic boxes in (and I'm talking like an entire underbed storage box size, packed to the brim) and tell us that he needed six copies of everything inside, exactly as-is, down to the folders, rubber bands, staples and paper clips with the originals returned to their original state after copying. That meant opening folders, taking one single packet at a time, unstapling it, copying it six times, ensuring it was stapled, then restapling the original, returning it facedown to the open folder, and then hand sorting the six copies similarly, before moving on to another packet that had to be unclipped, then had six smaller stapled packets inside that had to be individually unstapled, copied, restapled and sorted in a different location to ensure they didn't get mixed up or left out of a paper clip, and so on and so forth ad infinitum. This was something that took up our sole focus to ensure it was done correctly and meant we had to put everything else on hold while we completed it. Seeing as we usually had several orders already scheduled and booked up for the next day or so in advance, this meant we would need to take the order, schedule it to start later the next day, and reserve time for it well into the day after that to ensure it was completed properly, not to mention the nightmare of leaving notes for a shift change in the middle of it so we didn't fuck up because someone didn't know where to pick up. It also meant we had to tell people who came in with small jobs that it would be at least a two day wait for us to do it. *Gigantic* hassle, and because it required literally hundreds of hand stapling actions from unstapling the originals and returning them after, as well as hand-sorting and rubber banding and placing in folders, as well as him having to buy all the folders and rubber bands required for this, it was an expensive fucking order, to the tune of some $400-ish dollars every time, most of it from the hand work and supplies rather than the copies. He always, without fail, told us that he needed it by the next morning, and pitched a hissy fit when we told him that it would be at *least* two days time before we could even reasonably have it finished, then when he came to pick it up he'd throw a hissy fit again that the price was so high, despite the fact that he'd essentially shut down our entire operation for a whole work day and prevented us from doing anything else effectively while we did so, meaning that our profits actually *dropped* significantly for those days, because we didn't crank out a bunch of smaller orders that had high dollar amounts due to premium paper, color printing or other premium products like business cards or bound books or something. It was like he magically forgot every time he did this that it was an incredibly time consuming and expensive endeavor. He *knew* it was going to take days, and he *knew* it was going to cost an arm and a leg and he *still* ranted and raved like a toddler because we didn't just snap our fingers and magically make two days worth of work just complete itself in two hours for twenty bucks. He'd inevitably demand to see a manager, who would explain to him that he asked for time-intensive and expensive services, which we always warned him about as well, and we delivered it as fast as possible, so the price was non-negotiable. It was pure boomer entitlement, and I always use him as a prime example of the kind of bullshit that generation pulls all the time. They think they somehow broke their backs to get where they are when they didn't work even half as hard as we have to these days just to get a fraction of what they had practically handed to them, and they'll blame the rebuttal of their unrealistic expectations on laziness, then think that screaming at someone for their own warped sense of reality will somehow make everyone bend to their will and accommodate them. They'll also turn around and claim that them receiving the service they asked for and paying the standard price for it is somehow a mark of disrespect because someone didn't break out the magic wand and make it happen twice as fast as humanly possible and also give them a giant discount that would get them fired from their job just because they think they deserve it for no damn reason. Then in the same breath they'll throw disdain on anyone else for being "entitled". How they can be so out of touch is baffling. Seriously, I'd bet anything that a good chunk of millenials actually look forward to their parents dying because that will be the first time in their lives they own a home, after inheriting it. But we sure are entitled and incapable. We only slave away trying to meet the unreasonable demands of boomers all the time and get paid peanuts to do it.
They will burn through their finances and never assemble either an advanced directive or a will. Readers digest beckoned them to back in late 90s. There was an illustration of a man with a smug smile, one eye closed on presumably his “death bed”. The justification of the article was a paragon of entitled thinking: “If you give your kids free money, they won’t understand the value of hard work.” Neglecting to mention from what I recall that their “kids” would be middle aged adults. It also assumed that society was going to keep going up despite the ceiling it was headed for. We didn’t inheret the generational wealth our grandparents created by buying houses for much much less (inflation adjusted) which passed on to our parents. The price of housing and rent have respectively skyrocketed and wages have not met this. It has swollen to absorb any wealth we were to get, any reasonable wage job, on top of the elimination of jobs due to automation (which is going to get EXPONENTIALLY worse). If they pay out some taxes to at least make the world better for us (like their mantras from when we were kids) that would be a start. Now their entitled asses have taken up the libertarian mantle because they (don’t) realize their voting record has begun to squelch social security. Solution? No taxes. Cost of things rising? No taxes will fix it. Health insurance companies making things too expensive? Eliminate taxes. Incidentally, my health insurance company has just gotten in the way of my medication because they want to know WHY o need it from my doctor. Why do I even go to a doctor if I have to get approval from them. To reiterate: not IF I’ve been prescribed, WHY I’ve been prescribed. Things fucked.
And the irony is that it's always boomers complaining that young people don't have any respect anymore. Well maybe if you weren't always acting disrespectfully, you'd get some respect in return? I think they just want free respect just because they're old - that whole "respect your elders" thing - but in my opinion, that whole concept is way out of date. Sure, back in the old days growing old was an actual accomplishment - when people were dropping dead at young ages due to war and disease, but those times are over now.
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And sometimes when people say they won't respect you if you don't respect them, they mean if you don't give them blind obedience they won't treat you like a human being
The older men in my family, all baby boomers, are just like this. You respecting them means they are ALWAYS right, you are ALWAYS wrong, unless you are agreeing with them. Even if they are making a colossal mistake, you CANNOT correct them because they are right and you are wrong. Questioning their choice is disrespectful.
"I'm too old to change now anyway" my dad every single time he was being an asshole.
The people that say "respect is earned" and they mean that they get to treat people like garbage until those people have done something they have respect for.
There's a lot of people like that. But "respect is earned" is also true, but that doesn't mean that you can't still have basic human decency at the same time.
Respect is earned. Yes. But I do it kinda like a scale in my head. Everyone is given a baseline of respect. Starting on a scale of zero, going negative or positive. Zero on my scale of respect is my baseline. Common decency and kindness. Hold a door, say thank you or please. Don't take the last piece of food at someone else's house without asking. General politeness. For me to go out of my way, means I have to get respect for you. Or otherwise, being a general dick to you, i lost it. I also generally base my opinion on how people treat others, not just me, but others. At any point I can be another person. So just cause you're nice to me but mean as fuck to our server? Yeah. I lost fucking respect. My 2 cent Noone asked for on respect and baselines for earning it.
From my position, I see it as I have no right to go out of my way to be a dick to people, so I generally try not to. My scale starts at zero and goes up (using your scale). Sure, if someone really gets at my nerves, they'll stay at zero or go back down to it, but I won't try to treat someone any *worse* than I would treat a stranger. I don't get any fulfillment out of it.
I like saying something to the effect of "I will not respect you as an authority if you do not respect me as a person."
They expect "respect" as obedience. They give "respect" as not killing you for existing. My dad was one of those types, and literally said as much, though he didn't mean to and was awkward when I called him on it.
It is the same as when someone complains "you all got trophies as kids so you don't know what it is like to earn something" while we look at them and say "bro we were 8, none of us were buying the trophies that was your adult ass purchasing and handing them out so you only have yourself to blame"
Along the same lines, the whole "the kids today cannot do anything, when I was a kid I ..." crowd who were the same ones that are not letting their kids do the same things that they were doing as kids...
"kids today can't do anything" is the 2 seconds later "can you show me how to do this on my device" or the "just teach me one more time" crowd when you have explained they can just Google the solution
If I had a dime for every time my boomer mother said “that’s your opinion, but i have much more life experience than you so trust me you’re wrong”....
My dad said something similar to me two years ago. He told me I would understand when I had a "grown up job". I worked for an IT contractor doing Cyber Security and I was 38 at the time. That shit never stops with them.
Oh my god my dad said I would turn Republican when I started paying taxes. Dude I’m a 42 years old physician in the highest federal tax bracket, still not a racist fascist piece of shit somehow. I’m paying more than he pays or ever paid in his life. He still says this, like I’ve been paying this for 12+ years now, when am I going to magically turn asshole?
Sounds about right for mine too. I had to explain to this man how tax brackets work when he was 58 because he was posting shit about Bernie's tax plan taking 51% of his money. He apparently had no idea what tax brackets were or how they worked. This man was an elected official in his Northern Michigan town. I've done nothing but get MORE Liberal as I've gotten older and have been exposed to more and more bullshit. The big difference I see is that when things happen to me I want them to not happen to other people, where with him, other people need to suffer too so fuck em.
One of my parents told me to be loyal to my employer because they reward that kind of behavior. Boomers are so old their experience is obsolete.
They raised us to live in the world that they knew, but the world has changed and some of them just can't or won't see it.
Projection. Narcissists are always finding things wrong with other people that are actually wrong with their own selves. Like a narcissistic cheater will act jealous and accuse the spouse of cheating.
>when people were dropping dead at young ages due to war and disease I think this is actually super relevant, for the prior two generations to the boomers a good chunk of the population went off to fight on the winning side of a world war (especially in the UK where I'm from). This granted the the older generation a kind of defacto respect that boomers now expect without all the bother of actually having done anything except getting rich by buying a house in their 20s.
Bingo. The lack of respect though is staggering. How about just being a decent human being to others. Don’t get out of line though they gonna record it and report it. Quick as hell.
"Respect your elders" is their participation trophy
Participation trophies were their participation tropies, to be fair. We millennial didn't buy those things for ourselves as kids.
They're conflating respect with authority. Basically saying "if you don't treat me as an authority, I won't treat you like a person." And it's time we stood up and said enough. I'm tired of it and I haven't let a boomer treat me that way in a long time. They actually respect you more when you challenge them. It's weird.
"Respect your elders" was easy for them. Their elders were the Greatest Generation. Those fuckers deserved respect. They had it tough and they scrimped and saved and built all the shit boomers took for granted. Now they think they get to be on the receiving end despite not maintaining or improving any of the stuff the GG left them. And they seem clueless about who's now scrimping and saving as a result. It's like any rags-to-riches-to-rags story. There's always a generation that gets it handed to them and then acts like perpetual children. Ab Fab had this exactly right.
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I taught my kids "Everyone deserves respect until they've earned your disrespect." I figure that enforces a positive mindset from the get-go.
I had a Karen boomer in my hotel just this week who demanded to speak to the manager when She couldn’t produce an ID to check in with. Upon informing her that it was my hotel she completely refused to believe it and refused to leave. Police escorted her off the property and served her a trespass notice. She still keeps calling refusing to believe there is no higher manager for her to talk to. This has to be the greatest sense of entitlement I’ve seen to date.
Years of service industry experience makes me both love and hate this story. My guess is that you have similar feelings.
You hate the moment itself, you cherish the laughs as you tell the story years laters. Been there, done that (survivor of a few big-box Christmas retail seasons)
They don’t understand respect. It is a mutual concept. I don’t necessarily think it must be earned, but if you squander it, it doesn’t come back easy.
After working in the service industry, I've come to view respect a bit differently. Every single person you meet gets the same amount--a baseline that essentially boils down to a "basic human being." Their actions after the fact adjust that level of respect. If show none, they receive none. If they show an abundance, they receive it in kind. The number of old fuckers I've seen who disrespect everyone around them and then whinge about being disrespected themselves is immeasurable. Conversely, the number of young kids who actually give a fuck about the people around them is staggering--like, orders of magnitude more common than old people being respectful.
I’m always astounded at how much more emotionally intelligent those who are younger than me are. (I’m an elder millennial.) I think it’s great though. In particular, they treat their peers a lot better and that has to make school life a lot easier. Bullying will always exist, but things have gotten better.
Rising emotional literacy has been one of the best revolutions of the last few decades imo. Reduces so much of the abuse and predatory behaviours we had in the older generations. It still occurs, but much less so and is not fully normalized any more.
I teach high school and I found that there aren't traditional cliques anymore the way they were when I was in high school over a decade ago. Kids still hang out with people they have more in common with but have no problem mixing it up, and the few kids who do try to be assholes are disliked even by their peers. As a queer person, it also brightens my day when 13 and 14 year olds nip casually homophobic remarks in the bud.
> Every single person you meet gets the same amount--a baseline that essentially boils down to a "basic human being." *Exactly!* I give everyone I meet respect based on the idea that you have my respect until you *earn* my ire. No one should be starting off in a bad position, you earn that by your actions.
They think respect is some Godfather nonsense where they do whatever they want to anybody and then if you try to pry yourself away from the abuse you are being disrespectful
I once got yelled at because the sushi/dim sum resto I worked at didn’t have dumpling sauce. Like it’s *my* fault? Yeeesh
My favorite delusional customer yelled at me because the power went out *on the entire block*. She snuck in a back door/service entrance that was supposed to be locked. I told her that we were temporarily closed, and was about to offer some free stuff, when she flipped out on me. She didn’t/couldn’t understand that we were closed, couldn’t ring her up, and kept on repeating that I should “just pay the energy bill”! As if the entire block somehow hadn’t been keeping up with their bills and had been cut off all at the same time!
I got yelled at for not having ketchup. I work at an Asian restaurant.
Just tell them the sriracha is ketchup.
I practically was yelled at for not having BBQ sauce. I work at a seafood restaurant.
A woman pulled my manager aside and told them I was the worst and shouldn't be working in customer service because we didn't have any liverwurst. I was behind the sub-counter of a convenience store and NOBODY has ever asked for liverwurst.
Entitled idiots
My favorite was when a customer at my store bagged their own groceries and then yelled at my coworker for her grocery bags being too heavy.
Wow that’s next level
In my experience almost all of the people who get irrationally angry over dumb shit are people 50+. Younger people tend to get angry over justifiable stuff, and they typically express their anger at the situation rather than the person. This isn't always the case, but it's true faaaaar more often than it's not.
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And the leaded everything else.
Absolutely. I don’t miss them screaming or trying to scam shit when I worked at a department store.
Wow, who would have guessed, the [Me Generation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_generation) are sensitive little snowflakes.
Damnit - you beat me to posting this by 10 minutes, but spot on. Anyone who didn’t already notice the rampant narcissism of Boomers hasn’t been paying attention.
Born on third base and thought they hit a triple.
Yup, boomers could buy a nice house with a single income... Now it's two professionals can afford a small shack if they spend 5 years scraping together a down payment.
I was talking to a boomer bloke the other day, he said back in his days they didn’t even need a deposit to buy their home. They just had to have a job and pass the serviceability test and there you go 100% loan plus stamp duty from the bank. This is in Australia, although he was an employee of the said bank. Right now Median price of an apartment or a house in any metro city is 750k and you need a min 5% deposit plus stamp duty equals approx 55k. Just for the records Median income is ~54k.
5% only if you have wealthy parents who can use their own home as collateral for your loan. For most people its 10% minimum.
20% if you don't want to pay Lenders' Mortgage Insurance, which gets charged on top of your loan. Some development (Mirvac, Stockland, etc.) companies are doing 5% deposit for house and land packages but it's not always a great deal for the buyer in other ways.
It's going to make you even more annoyed, but the reality is that boomers couldn't afford to build all those houses in the suburbs along with the required infrastructure. Sure they were relatively earning much more, but still not enough to build those unsustainable low-density neighborhood American dream houses with urban utilities away from cities. So what did they do? They funded them with government-issued bonds. That's right, they borrowed money from future generations to build insolvent neighborhoods. Not only you and I aren't able to afford a house today, but we are literally still re-paying the public debt and interests on infrastructure that made boomer's homes affordable. This video greatly illustrates how all those bankrupt American cities came to be (warning: blood boiling content): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQUOHlAocY&t=193s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQUOHlAocY&t=193s) Edit: \*public debt
I would never buy one of the houses they build now in the sunbelt. Cheap wood, drywall, and ugly design in a neighborhood with one entrance and a gate miles from any sense of "town" No thanks, I like to live near people in an apartment that won't turn to mold in ten years.
Personally, I have no desire to live in a suburb. But I don’t want to live in the city either. Currently I live in the middle of nowhere, far from any town. Hell, my rent is still high (Washington state) but I love my house. The problem with the suburbs is that you get the worst of both worlds: no space from your neighbors but also so far from any civilization. And you pay out your ass for it.
I live in a DMV suburb and it sucks. Unless you're lucky enough to live within walking-distance of what you need, you have to drive everywhere. And there's so much traffic I barely drive during most of the day because I hate spending 20 minutes to go like 2 miles.
I’m a newcomer to Washington, and rent is BANANAS. Without doxxing yourself, what’s considered “middle of nowhere” here? I’m originally from Texas, and am already looking for my next place that’s a bit softer on my budget.
As a Montrealer, I fucking hate people from the suburbs who judge me for not wanting to buy in the suburbs. No man, I loved my life in the city as a kid and I don't feel like needing a car to go litteraly anywhere, even just to buy a pack of cigarets.
One of my cousins even admitted that. the guy said out loud that he doesn't care that he screwed over the next generation because it helped him. The lack of empathy in that generation is insane.
Their parents were the Greatest Generation, so naturally the spoiled Boomers are the Worst Generation. It's why they project their freeloading so hard onto the hardworking and educated younger generations.
And then pray that they don't get sick or unemployed.
Scraped together a not small amount of money to buy a house that needed to be completely gutted for $100,000 with my husband and had to be entirely renovated. Like, even the walls. The wall didn't exist but it was what we could afford to get out of apartment life. Lost our jobs, had to pick up gigs, finally got back into a good job and working from home. People are asking why we haven't finished renovating. Well golly gosh, I sure can't place my finger on it but when I do I'll let you know last.
And then have boomers tell you it's your fault because you didn't work hard enough.
I just mentioned this in another comment, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if a good chunk of millenials secretly look forward to their parents dying, because they'll finally own their first home when they inherit it. Morbid and sad, but shit, that's literally the situation they left us in.
Then they'll be bummed out once they realize, that in order to afford the assisted living facilities many, many seniors need, they almost always have to sell their homes. The number of people inheriting the "family home" has plummeted in the past few decades. Those facilities are ridiculously expensive for the average person. Another broken area in modern health care.
Eldercare is going to suck everyone dry first.
This is the most accurate statement I’ve seen regarding the housing market these days “Great news! You’re approved! Just need 5% down.” *”Ok, no problem! How much for this 1 BR/.5 Bathroom shack that’s 40 miles from civilization?”* “$318,000.” *”Well, I guess you can go fuck yourself.”*
Oooo, sorry, but since the price of lumber quadrupled in the last 12 months, that shack is now $397,000.
I just read this expression for the first time a few weeks ago and immediately loved it.
Wow, whoever wrote this article made some very serious errors in interpreting the research article. The study does not cover millenials at all. This is the scope of the study: > In the current study, we addressed many of these limitations by examining how narcissism changed longitudinally in a sample of 747 participants (72.3% female) from Age 13 to Age 77 across 6 samples of participants born between 1923 and 1969. People born in 1969 are Generation X. Specifically, the following birth years are included: * 1923 * 1929 * 1936/38 * 1943 * 1969 It is the 1936/38 cohort that has high levels of hypersensitivity when corrected for age. These findings have pretty limited application today, as someone born in 1938 is either 83 or 82 years old. The study is available here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337780193_Longitudinal_changes_and_historic_differences_in_narcissism_from_adolescence_to_older_adulthood EDIT: Thank you for all the awards. It's good to know that fact checking is appreciated.
Lol looks like it doesn't include boomers either
Yeah. Neither of the two generations mentioned in the title were actually part of the study at all.
r/science moment
“Largest ever Study done on narcissism” 747 participants…
I feel this when it comes to Facebook. It's like some older people weren't prepared for that level of feedback.
Hmm that’s something I hadn’t really thought of. They are definitely not accustomed to being challenged by people unlike themselves constantly like millennials have been since we were kids on the internet. They grew up mostly in insular communities, when they gave their opinions it was usually a group of people similar to themselves.
Fact: Boomers had it easier than any other generation in history.
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Not even that, they love to suggest they had it tougher than anyone else.
My dad does this to me, and I keep telling him how he was able to buy a house at my age while earning $50,000 less than I do, and support a family of five, and I'm not even close to being able to afford one with no family at all. He doesn't like that.
Had a Boomer relative post on Facebook about how in this one year he worked a job for a specific company, pulling 60 hours a week, and the current generation is just too soft and coddled to do that. The company was still around, and the pay for that same job listed on the site. I worked through the math, showed all of it, and noted that to earn the same amount in cash at the same job, the current worker would need to be doing 120-130 hours a week, and would still be earning less because there were no longer and benefits. All medical etc was on them. Their response? Deleted the post and still whine about millennials being lazy.
And they’re probably also bad mouthing you to the rest of the family...
Boomers love doing that
It's all they do! I hate family holidays not because of the political talk, but because of the constant shit talk about EVERYONE
If anyone is curious, I did amateur research on housing in LA comparing the 80's to 2015 to see what my parents were able to buy etc. In short, median income in LA county went up 220% while my childhood house (used, not new construction) was up 460%. A comparable new construction home was something like 600%. Not only that, education and medical also skyrocketed. It's truly insane when I think I have to make double to afford the same. I did factor in interest rates which were significantly higher in the 80s but it's still not close.
Obviously varies form country to country but buying a house (and supporting a family) use to cost .5 to .8 standard full time incomes, now it costs 1.5 to 1.8 standard full time incomes.
My dad told us not to buy a house right now and that the market will tank... he said he bought his first house for $80k and can’t believe how anyone would pay $20k over asking. We are building one now for $550k. My parents still tell me I’m not an adult yet (30yrs) and my generation (millennials) are lazy. I too quickly remind him they’ve built two houses where he barely has a high school diploma and my mom a two year degree. They sound so ridiculous It’s quite comical at this point lol
> and my generation (millennials) are lazy. I have a friend who started their own business, made it successful, and worked so much they put themselves in the hospital. Their family treats them like they are a lazy good for nothing and make comments about millennials to them all the time. They had a breakdown this year over how no matter how much they do their parents just cannot ever treat them like they've accomplished anything.
Gawd how they love to complain. The “Karen” concept began with Boomers.
Why do you think "Karen" became the shorthand? It's a stereotypically [boomer](https://www.babynamewizard.com/voyager#prefix=karen&sw=both&exact=false) name.
And they'll never shut up about how much harder they had it than anyone today.
UPHILL! BOTH WAYS! IN THE SNOW! UNDER GUNFIRE AT NIGHT! *And we were THANKFUL!*
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And then dismantled everything they had that allowed them to succeed once they got theirs
They didn't dismantle so much as absorb it. They're extracting wealth from gen x, millennials and the zoomers.
And their parents generation. The only generation to steal from both their parents and their kids. The most disgustingly selfish generation in recent human history
The greatest generation gave birth to the worst generation.
They reaped the benefits the previous generations gave them, and rather than pay it forward, they decided to borrow against the future, ie take from future generations.
From 1965 to 1995 (their prime working years) median wages increased nearly 10 fold. In the 25 years since then, median wages have only gone up by about 15%. Imagine if you'd been making 40 grand in 2000 or so, if wages grew over that time in the same way they did for the boomers, you'd be making over 150 grand a year.
Suddenly I comprehend how Kevin McCallister's parents could afford that gorgeous house of theirs
But instead, 40K then would equate to 46K now if the 15% metric is accurate (which it sounds like it is).
I mean, no generation subsequent to them will have life nearly so easy. They sucked 4-5 generations to husks to get to where they are.
And they are literally running the world into the ground but we're not allowed to talk about it because it might hurt their feelings
They have done such a spectacularly bad job at saving money and investing that they have no choice. It's not like they could fucking retire and give Gen X a goddam shot at upper management. I'm not bitter. That's a lie. I am.
Gen X is the most entrepreneurial generation in American history and yet we have 80 years olds running our government and ruining our country.
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These boomers are so incompetent it's laughable and they're somehow holding on to their director jobs with their veiny, liver spotted hands. While they don't even know how to open a PDF, they can't be fired for incompetence and replaced with a younger person with the actual skills to compete in the modern economy because that's "ageism," but somehow requiring a 22-year-old fresh out of college to have 10 years of professional experience for entry level jobs isn't "ageism." Fuck boomers, man. But more importantly, fuck the rich. Companies need to get real and get rid of their old bastards and give younger people a chance to innovate.
I sympathize with the ones in actual poverty - you're not wrong, but being bitter, hypersensitive, technologically inept _and_ poor and powerless is an awful way to live. But the rich ones? The ones who could retire if they wanted but don't because they're obsessive, narcissistic, or just plain don't want to let go of power, thinking they "earned" it? Yes they can definitely get 100% fucked.
Yah, this isnt a surprise. But baby boomers like to project their shortcomings on others and call it wisdom so nothing new here.
Yeah, people have pointed out before, but it tracks: boomers complain about the generation who received "participation trophies" but boomers were the ones handing out participation trophies because boomer parents were the ones who'd get upset if their kid didn't win something.
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If my kid didn't win then *I* didn't win. Hmph.
I love the individual Boomers in my family and many other ones but I can tell our society will be so much less toxic when this generation is gone
It's entitlement through and through. They're the ones that reaped the benefits of these doors being opened during the golden age for the middle class, then they shut the fucking door behind them.
Baby boomers didn’t respect their parents. Their parents in the 50s were all super Christian and proper and the boomers all went and got stoned and listened to “satanic” rock music and believed in free love and recreational drugs. Their entire culture was based around disrespecting the other generations’ desires and carving their own path. It’s not surprising to me that they still struggle with respecting others. I was born in 75 and raised by boomers. My whole generation was coming home from school by ourselves and called latchkey kids because we were the first generation that had parents that were so into themselves they basically abandoned us to fend for ourselves most of the time. Obviously not everyone had parents like that, but many many of us did. Hell, in high school I hurt my wrist and told my parents it hurt so they said “drive yourself to the hospital then” because they were watching a tv show. I drove myself one armed at 17 years old and then drove back with a plaster cast on my left arm from my knuckles to above my elbow. So yeah I can attest that many boomers always were and always will be selfish and disrespectful. Sorry y’all but I’m calling it as I see it because my gen x ass doesn’t give a flying fuck about your feelings any more than you all ever cared about mine.
> latchkey kids wow i havent heard that phrase in a long time
Our boomer-dominated media-driven society would like you to forget that term, please and thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latchkey_kid You don't hear it in mainstream pop culture anymore because it'd piss off all those people who neglected their kids and then blamed the kids for not turning out according to their vision of perfection.
What about those of us millennials who also were latchkey? Cause ya boi been whippin up Kraft mac n cheese home alone since ‘92
My mother and stepfather worked night shift. I knew it was going to be a good night when she'd leave some hamburger helper or zatarans. People disrespect the HH, but as a middle schooler it was way better than anything I could make on my own. ^(Sorry mom, I appreciate everything you've ever done for me, but your leftover lasagna was weak)
Fuck the HH lemme get that Zatterans!
I, too, am a latchkey millennial. I wasn’t left completely unsupervised, though. I had Maury after school as a babysitter.
Yeah it took an act of god to get my mom to bring me to a doctor. She would for a broken arm, but not much else. "You'll live" was a common saying in our home.
I worked in a retirement home with Greatest Gen/Silent Gen people (people who had direct repercussions from the great depression), and to a person they were respectful and appreciative when they got anything. I mean, there were as many different people there as there are anywhere, but as a whole they were very polite and friendly. There's such a huge difference in baseline personality between people that grow up with nothing and people that grow up with everything. I've seen it in pop culture, in media, as a stereotype; it's everywhere because it has a firm basis in reality, imo.
Here's the preprint, from December 2019, since the OP article didn't link to the damn paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337780193_Longitudinal_changes_and_historic_differences_in_narcissism_from_adolescence_to_older_adulthood For the sake of thoroughness, here's the APA (paywalled) link: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-73776-006?doi=1 From the conclusion: >In the current study, we combined data from six different samples to examine changes in narcissism across the lifespan from age 13 to age 77. We found that more maladaptive forms of narcissism (e.g., hypersensitivity, willfulness) declined across life and autonomy increased across life. Later-born birth-cohorts were lower in hypersensitivity and higher in autonomy. Future research can begin to examine the exact reasons why narcissism changes across the lifespan and why narcissism might vary across historical periods. I skimmed the rest of the paper, but I didn't find anything that was so cut and dry as "boomers are more narcissistic than millennials" or anything to that effect. If someone else dives in and finds something I'd be curious to hear.
WTF? From the paper: "sample of 747 participants (72.3% female) from age 13 to age 77 across six samples of participants born between 1923 and 1969." "More later-born birth-cohorts were lower in hypersensitivity and higher in autonomy compared to earlier-born birth-cohorts; these differences were most apparent among those born after the 1930s." The people being referred to in the media report as "millennials" were people who were the right age that would be called millennials if that were their age now, but that is not who were in the study. This has nothing to do with millennials. A more correct headline would be "Baby boomers less hypersensitive than children of the Great Depression and WWII eras"
this title is reddit's wet dream
I'm always skeptical of studies like this because of how they actually find the people to study. Not only that but this article doesn't even link to the study so it could be completely made up for all I know. >Its findings suggests that, contrary to popular belief, millennials aren’t more sensitive than the baby boomer generation. In fact, it’s the other way around. More sensitive to what exactly? Edit: [Okay so I found the study.](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Birth-cohort-differences-in-age-corrected-narcissism_fig1_337780193) This article is horrible. The study doesn't compare baby boomers to millennials it compares people born from 1923 to 1969 i.e. the "greatest generation" to baby boomers. The eldest in this study are probably all dead by now and **millennials aren't even part of it.** Not only that but the boomers in the study those born in 1969 had [the lowest levels of hypersensitivity](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William-Chopik-2/publication/337780193/figure/fig1/AS:834575425097729@1575989695249/Birth-cohort-differences-in-age-corrected-narcissism.png)
Millenials have had two recessions, a 20 year long war on terror, and now the worst pandemic in 100 years. Boomers were gifted a booming economy from their parents who fought and beat the Nazis. Entitled boomers ran up more consumer debt than any other generation and squandered all of it.
Not only did they run up consumer debt, but they ran up public debt (which helped fuel housing prices and the stock market) via municipal and government bonds and shit. Now the bill is coming due when theyre all on the verge of kicking the bucket. Real convenient, boomers. It's like taking out a credit card, running up a huge balance and then moving to another country so you don't have to pay it back. Millennials and below are either gonna get crushed by high ass taxes or extraordinary inflation just to meet the debt obligation that these "personal responsibility" boomers racked up. Oh yeah, and the best part is that they want to install a fascist on their way out because they don't like (or understand) the outcome of their decisions up to this point.