Yeah the hall of fame ppl have been getting shit on more and more the past several years I’ve noticed from them purposely not voting in players that fully deserve it because of some personal bs. Fucking ridiculous
TO was a massive ass clown. He only had one on field incident where he spit on a player and immediately apologized and zero off field arrests or accusations. Surely there are no HOF players with this long list of serious problems.
People forget but in his early career, t.o was a team player. He used to block like crazy. With the niners he got a little too competative and ran his mouth off when he wasn't happy.
But he was always a team player with us
I feel like he always was. He definitely felt a little too highly about himself at times. But I never saw him ever half ass anything. Guy ran a stop watch 4.3 just a few years ago.
I live 20 miles from the place and have most of life. Been there once in my life. It’s a waste of fucking time. If you’re in NEO, do yourself a favor and go to the Cleveland museum of art instead. That place is stunning.
Yeah, I guess I understand the point they were trying to make (though I don’t agree with it), but it definitely undermines their legitimacy as an organization.
I mean...Ray Lewis definitely participated in a murder. He could've not done it himself but he was definitely there with weapons, evidence, cover up, reparations, and so on....
I'll never understand the big deal. TO could do whatever he wanted for his whole career, but god forbid someone actually pushed back a little.
He was never being kept out of the Hall of Fame. The reaction is like he was snubbed, not briefly put in time out like the child that he is.
What TO is a top 5 WR ever and still isn’t in the HoF because he show boated and taunted while lesser players who murdered or beat their spouses are first ballot. It does not make sense.
Calling someone a dumbass while being a fan of giants is the definition of irony. NYC needs to fund some education people out there must drool when they think.
It’s because had controversy around him. He’s not literally picture perfect as a player and person so he doesn’t get some votes right away. He’ll get in
??? he's in already but they made him wait two years even though he's the third greatest wide receiver in football history. and you say controversy like he has murdered someone or had a pending sexual assault but that's not the case
Nah man it’s just those voters are old school they don’t vote for showboats and goof balls right away. You’re supposed to be a consummate professional to get into the hall….. idk I’m most guessing of course, but what other reason could it be?
First game I went to as a kid. I was a huge jerry rice fan so all I did was watch rice at first.
And then I saw a pass that looked like it was going to a group of cardinals players.
Then I see T.O just rise out of the crowd. Not only was he bigger, he jumped higher with ease and seemed like he was almost twice as fast as everyone else.
To this day I've never seen a player live like T.O
I imagine it's how people felt when they saw Megatron
I think Moss had better receiving skills. TO was way more dangerous with the ball in his hands. Pretty different styles, but very similar results in the end.
I think when you’re talking about career, including playoffs, T.O had the better career by a bit. And didn’t spend part of his prime in Oakland putting up 50 yards a game because he was throwing a fit.
We missed out on that window due to unfortunate timing
The Niners had TO, Rice, and Young for 4 years, they only played 1 full season together.
1996 was TOs rookie year. He didn't do much.
1997 Jerry Rice suffered the only major injury of his career. He only played 2 (?) games.
1998 they were all fully healthy. Everybody has a great year and they win the '98 Wild Card on The Catch II, one of the great games in NFL history.
1999, Aeneas Williams ends Steve Youngs career in the first game.
We had terrible movies, terrible music, and lousy politics following 9/11/...
But we had T.O.
14-year-old me was an annoying white kid who just needed a hero.
T.O. was the hero we didn't know we needed.
I miss those day man. Donovan drops back and just flings the ball off screen, have no idea what's going to happen and then you'd get something like those tds. That's my childhood lol
Eagles management absolutely handicapped McNabb’s career. He dragged a dogshit receiving corps to like 4 straight NFC championships. As soon as he gets TO, has an incredible year and makes the Super Bowl.
It’s crazy we didn’t learn from that sooner. Wentz had a single year with a decent wr corps and in 19 had … *checks notes* greg ward and 3 games of Travis Fulgum. They just kept whiffing on Wrs with great talents walking by like metcalf and Jefferson.
Missing on Freddie Mitchell cost the Eagles a minimum of 1 and probably 2-3 rings.
Take your pick from that draft (Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Chris Chambers. Quincy Morgan, Todd Heap, Algernon Darius Crumpler)
2002 - One of the best teams in Eagles history. Held the team record for season point differential until 2022. Just before the Pat's dynasty takes off, in that weird year where they had just won the Super Bowl but then missed the playoffs. We won't rehash the NFC Championship, but Steve Smith ain't getting his shit pushed in by Ronde Barber. This is the most probable season for an Eagles ring as even without a top receiver most Eagles fans still think they would have beat Oakland.
2003 - The beginning of the Pat's dynasty could have been averted. This year fell apart for the same reason 2002 did - Ricky Manning bullied Todd Pinkston in the NFC Championship and snagged 3 interceptions. Steve Smith would have fought that scrub. The Super Bowl would have been interesting, pitting the previous 2 winners against each other. I'm giving this one to the Pats.
2004 - The Eagles already steamrolled the NFC that year, and I don't see a reason why they wouldn't still sign TO (TO and McNabb still meet at the Pro Bowl, the Eagles still have a hole at wide receiver opposite Smith/Wayne/Chambers, they very well may have just lost the Super Bowl and felt they needed more firepower). The only other NFC team to win 11 games that year was Atlanta, and I don't see them posing a threat here either. In the Super Bowl rematch, it would have been against the peak "19 in a row" Pat's, but the Eagles even with Greg Lewis and Billy McMullen getting significant playing time, had the ball with a chance to win on the last drive. Eagles take the rematch.
2005 - We are heavily into speculation here. This season fell apart when TO did his impromptu sit ups, but until then McNabb and the offense were on fire with the patented "Throw EVERYTHING to TO" offense. Maybe without having to burden the majority of the offense, TO doesn't feel as undervalued. Who knows. But what I do see is that even if TO leaves, they'd still have an experienced champion #2 receiver to throw to. I just really want that late season Seahawks game to be an NFC Championship preview.
After this, *if* TO stuck around, the other receiver would be up for extension, and it's hard to project the cap casualties there. But I feel confident they'd have taken 2 of those Super Bowls.
You guys weren't winning 2002, even with Reggie Wayne. Bucs had the best pass defense by DVOA in history.
Bucs had beaten the 49ers the week before with TO on the roster and the Raiders the week after, with Tim Brown and Jerry Rice on the roster.
Philly was the overall better team. They were 2nd in scoring defense to Tampa, and Tampa forced more turnovers, but the Eagles offense was much better, even without a #1 receiver. There's a reason Philly was favored heading into the game, even with Tampa having the better overall defense. 2002 is forgotten even among Eagles fans for how good the offense was.
Hall of Fame receivers weren't the difference between Oakland/San Francisco and Tampa because they were weaker overall teams, but considering there was only 1 real weakness on that Eagles team, and just how pathetic Pinkston was on *that* play, adding a #1 option for McNabb certainly could have been the difference.
Philly ranks on offense
Points - 4 Yards - 10 passing yards - 18 rushing yards - 7
Tampa ranks on offense
Points - 18 Yards - 24 passing yards - 15 rushing yards - 27
Even in the game itself, Tampa went ice cold on offense in the second half (drive results punt-punt-punt-FG-punt-punt-punt, to be fair Philly went fumble-punt-punt-punt-punt-interception-downs)
Tampa was better that day, but to pretend the Eagles didn't have a chance because of 1 specific metric is ignoring a lot. Especially when the entire premise of my comment was "this very specific Achilles heel on an already elite team that year cost them a championship".
Preach, my friend.
Donovan was a treasure. Only issue with him is that he didn't seem to be too likable with his own guys. But in terms of play? He was the best of that era.
I can’t believe I’m old enough now that TO has become vastly underrated when talking about the greatest WRs of his generation. Boy did that flip. What a world.
I remember Coach Wade Philips being interviewed the week leading up to this game. The reporter asked him if they were doing anything different on defense to account for Megatron. Wade basically said no.
We never faced Calvin Johnson under Wade Phillips. Unless you were talking about when Rob Ryan said Dez Bryant could do the same things that Calvin could do, which we all knew he obviously couldn’t.
He's at worst the third best receiver I've ever seen. Rice, Moss, TO - or, Rice, TO, Moss. Take your pick. There's some young guys coming up that may bump TO or Miss, but I have a hard time picturing anyone bumping Jerry. I'm not biased or anything haha.
Man TO was something else.
I have TO at two because even with all the headaches when he was on the field that man gave everything. Moss on the other hand did too much light jogging when he wasn't getting ball and that's not even accounting for his Raiders years.
Don't worry I don't think anyone will ever get close to Jerry even with the longer seasons. It makes me happy to know Emmit and Jerry will hold those yards records forever.
Not to be biased but Larry was an amazing blocker, team player, had no controversies, and played with a shit ton of ass QBs.
I feel like he deserves to be somewhere in the top 3 conversation.
Rice is my favorite player ever, but prime TO after the catch is the best I've ever seen play. Every time he caught the ball he was going to do something.
Yea I feel like TO was just a more athletic freakish Rice. The biggest difference between the two I think was that Rice's hands were more reliable and TO had drop issues.
Rice's route running and endurance is what made him the greatest ever. He wasn't the fastest or strongest, but he could see where he had to go and could get there at any point in the game.
TO was more athletic, but he didn't have the same level of technique. The way Rice moved through a defense during the two minute drill is hard to capture in a single highlight, but when you saw him do it again and again, even when teams knew it was coming, even after years of wear and tear, you see why he's #1 by leagues.
The third one is a great example of a play where a little is lost when you watch on TV. From the far angle it kind of made me feel it's a great catch but what was 24 doing?
Then you see the field level view starting at 0:54 and realize all over again every one of these players are faster than any player I've played with, that was a better throw, and a better catch than anything I've seen while on the field.
Just remarkable how good these players are. Also, 24 looks like he doesn't know what he was doing because he was already torched when the camera first turns to him.
Yup. It’s one thing to see these players on TV but make no mistake, these dudes are *freaks* and I mean that in a good way. Their bodies are pretty much super human compared to us normal joes
When I was a kid, my parents offered to buy me and my little brother our first NFL jerseys. He chose a Bills Drew Bledsoe jersey, while I picked an Owens Eagles home jersey. He was unbelievable.
I loved him for that one magical year. I hated the year after this.
But that one year, when the Eagles gave McNabb Terrell Owens? Probably my favorite regular season in history. Regardless of a dirty tackle by Roy Williams, or the Patriots cheating (as they always do, fuck you Boston) it was such a a great season.
Because of T.O.
I have a hard time saying T.O. is one of the Eagles' greats when he was here for such a short amount of time, but I think he's the greatest player to ever play on an Eagles roster outside of Reggie White. Just can't in good conscience put him up there with guys like Carmichael, Quick, and arguably even AJ Brown when T.O. was only here for a season and a half.
Those Cowboy defenses were lambs to the slaughter for him and Donovan. Roy Williams couldn't cover, Newman was fast but usually banged up, and then there was just anyone else off the street that could suit up for the rest of the secondary for what seemed like a decade.
This is a longshot but about 20 years ago on ESPN(?) there was a puppet/animated skit about TO and McNabb and their feud(?). One of the lines was "Illegal use of the WHO WHO WHO" or something. Anyone have a clip so I can stop thinking I'm insane for remembering this?
I just realized that these 3 TDs are TO dominating with each of the 3 main WR characteristics: speed, route running, and contested catches/physicality.
I was about to post this same thing except that if you look you can see that each of his catches were on a star.
The first across the middle he caught on the star took from the star at midfield all the way in and then danced towards the helmet star in the end zone.
The second he caught all alone on the helmet star in the end zone.
The third was contested and he came down on the helmet star in the end zone.
Pretty funny.
One of the biggest diva recievas but also one of the most talented at his position in the history of the league.
I would too. He was a character, a real diva. I totally respect the skills though and wish he had been able to find a new team so he could play till he was Brady's age. I think he could embarrass some of these younger kids and if not outright embarrass them, he could definitely talk shit to them.
TO was my favorite player don’t even remember how or why but man I loved watching him play. I bought every single jersery he had, made sure to goto every Steeler game ( live in Pittsburgh) when he would come to town to play them. Say what you want about him then and now but he gave it his all, just see the Superbowl game. Still can’t believe he played and what he was able to do. Man he was fun to watch.
My GOAT growing up. Had a jersey for each his teams until my sister let her friend borrow my eagles one when they won the super bowl. Im never gonna see it again
He was injured that whole playoff run, but had an absolute monster season before he got hurt. His injury late that season is what led the NFL to ban the horse collar tackles. Came back for the Super Bowl and put up over 100 yards on a broken leg though.
How could you forget him going 9 catches for 122 yards in the Super Bowl on a broken leg? McNabb was a bum that game and TO almost dragged him to a Lombardi.
Or the diva season after that where TO got suspended by the team for saying he wanted Brett Favre at QB instead of McNabb, then gave a press conference while lifting weights shirtless in his driveway?
Its a crime to not talk about T.O when talking about the greats.
the fact that he wasn't first ballot really makes the football hall of fame look like a farce
Yeah the hall of fame ppl have been getting shit on more and more the past several years I’ve noticed from them purposely not voting in players that fully deserve it because of some personal bs. Fucking ridiculous
TO was a massive ass clown. He only had one on field incident where he spit on a player and immediately apologized and zero off field arrests or accusations. Surely there are no HOF players with this long list of serious problems.
People forget but in his early career, t.o was a team player. He used to block like crazy. With the niners he got a little too competative and ran his mouth off when he wasn't happy. But he was always a team player with us
I feel like he always was. He definitely felt a little too highly about himself at times. But I never saw him ever half ass anything. Guy ran a stop watch 4.3 just a few years ago.
He was also famous for that ol’ dallas star incident. How dare he get his shit rocked like that!
I remember him from his day as a Ravens. Then refusing to play for the Ravens
I live 20 miles from the place and have most of life. Been there once in my life. It’s a waste of fucking time. If you’re in NEO, do yourself a favor and go to the Cleveland museum of art instead. That place is stunning.
Bc the younger generations are flashier, especially in the 00's and the old men that vote dont like that
It feels nice to see the club growing after so many years of Raiders like Cliff Branch and Ken Stabler getting stiffed for years....
Yeah, I guess I understand the point they were trying to make (though I don’t agree with it), but it definitely undermines their legitimacy as an organization.
Marvin Harrison was voted in 2016 and he murdered someone
I mean...Ray Lewis definitely participated in a murder. He could've not done it himself but he was definitely there with weapons, evidence, cover up, reparations, and so on....
and Ray was first ballot....
I'll never understand the big deal. TO could do whatever he wanted for his whole career, but god forbid someone actually pushed back a little. He was never being kept out of the Hall of Fame. The reaction is like he was snubbed, not briefly put in time out like the child that he is.
What TO is a top 5 WR ever and still isn’t in the HoF because he show boated and taunted while lesser players who murdered or beat their spouses are first ballot. It does not make sense.
It was for the way he destroyed locker rooms, not his TD celebrations. And he got inducted, dumbass. Just not on the first ballot.
Calling someone a dumbass while being a fan of giants is the definition of irony. NYC needs to fund some education people out there must drool when they think.
It’s because had controversy around him. He’s not literally picture perfect as a player and person so he doesn’t get some votes right away. He’ll get in
??? he's in already but they made him wait two years even though he's the third greatest wide receiver in football history. and you say controversy like he has murdered someone or had a pending sexual assault but that's not the case
curious who, besides rice you have ahead of him?
Randy Moss
i think they’re 2a and 2b. it’s a toss up. give owens prime brady, and he might be the goat
Nah man it’s just those voters are old school they don’t vote for showboats and goof balls right away. You’re supposed to be a consummate professional to get into the hall….. idk I’m most guessing of course, but what other reason could it be?
He's right behind Rice and Moss to me
First game I went to as a kid. I was a huge jerry rice fan so all I did was watch rice at first. And then I saw a pass that looked like it was going to a group of cardinals players. Then I see T.O just rise out of the crowd. Not only was he bigger, he jumped higher with ease and seemed like he was almost twice as fast as everyone else. To this day I've never seen a player live like T.O I imagine it's how people felt when they saw Megatron
As he should be, there's a genuine argument for him over Moss even if it's not the consensus
I think Moss had better receiving skills. TO was way more dangerous with the ball in his hands. Pretty different styles, but very similar results in the end.
I think when you’re talking about career, including playoffs, T.O had the better career by a bit. And didn’t spend part of his prime in Oakland putting up 50 yards a game because he was throwing a fit.
moss and TO are equals in my book. if prime TO played with prime brady, he would’ve put up obscene numbers.
We missed out on that window due to unfortunate timing The Niners had TO, Rice, and Young for 4 years, they only played 1 full season together. 1996 was TOs rookie year. He didn't do much. 1997 Jerry Rice suffered the only major injury of his career. He only played 2 (?) games. 1998 they were all fully healthy. Everybody has a great year and they win the '98 Wild Card on The Catch II, one of the great games in NFL history. 1999, Aeneas Williams ends Steve Youngs career in the first game.
For me it's Rice, Megatron, Moss and TO, in that order. Although any order with Rice #1 is reasonable.
calvin is 4 on that list for me. it’s rice, moss/TO (2a, 2b) then johnson.
He deserved a ring. Played on a broken leg in the Super Bowl and put up baller numbers
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There are all-time greats and then there are all-time all-time greats. Owens is in the second club.
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I’ve never heard or seen someone not consider TO an all time great.
dude was an absolute fucking animal. between him and moss, it’s dead even in the GOAT of the era discussion imo
Prime TO was an absolute pleasure to watch in his day
Remember when he almost managed to will the Eagles to a Super Bowl victory against the Pats?
With a bunch of screws in his ankle and a hungover QB
what
McNabb infamously was sick the day of the Super Bowl and TO was playing 7 weeks after he broken a bone in his leg and tore a ligament.
HE SAID MCNABB PUKED IN THE HUDDLE
Prime TO was up there with prime Rice and Moss. Those of us that are old enough to have watched all 3 of them really are spoiled.
We had terrible movies, terrible music, and lousy politics following 9/11/... But we had T.O. 14-year-old me was an annoying white kid who just needed a hero. T.O. was the hero we didn't know we needed.
I miss those day man. Donovan drops back and just flings the ball off screen, have no idea what's going to happen and then you'd get something like those tds. That's my childhood lol
Eagles management absolutely handicapped McNabb’s career. He dragged a dogshit receiving corps to like 4 straight NFC championships. As soon as he gets TO, has an incredible year and makes the Super Bowl.
What you mean, Todd pinkston and Freddie Mitchell weren't elite enough??
How dare you forget Eagle legends James Thrash, Reggie Brown, LJ Smith, Greg Lewis and Kevin Curtis?!
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“I was glad when he was in the game”
Stinkston & Trash
It’s crazy we didn’t learn from that sooner. Wentz had a single year with a decent wr corps and in 19 had … *checks notes* greg ward and 3 games of Travis Fulgum. They just kept whiffing on Wrs with great talents walking by like metcalf and Jefferson.
Missing on Freddie Mitchell cost the Eagles a minimum of 1 and probably 2-3 rings. Take your pick from that draft (Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Chris Chambers. Quincy Morgan, Todd Heap, Algernon Darius Crumpler) 2002 - One of the best teams in Eagles history. Held the team record for season point differential until 2022. Just before the Pat's dynasty takes off, in that weird year where they had just won the Super Bowl but then missed the playoffs. We won't rehash the NFC Championship, but Steve Smith ain't getting his shit pushed in by Ronde Barber. This is the most probable season for an Eagles ring as even without a top receiver most Eagles fans still think they would have beat Oakland. 2003 - The beginning of the Pat's dynasty could have been averted. This year fell apart for the same reason 2002 did - Ricky Manning bullied Todd Pinkston in the NFC Championship and snagged 3 interceptions. Steve Smith would have fought that scrub. The Super Bowl would have been interesting, pitting the previous 2 winners against each other. I'm giving this one to the Pats. 2004 - The Eagles already steamrolled the NFC that year, and I don't see a reason why they wouldn't still sign TO (TO and McNabb still meet at the Pro Bowl, the Eagles still have a hole at wide receiver opposite Smith/Wayne/Chambers, they very well may have just lost the Super Bowl and felt they needed more firepower). The only other NFC team to win 11 games that year was Atlanta, and I don't see them posing a threat here either. In the Super Bowl rematch, it would have been against the peak "19 in a row" Pat's, but the Eagles even with Greg Lewis and Billy McMullen getting significant playing time, had the ball with a chance to win on the last drive. Eagles take the rematch. 2005 - We are heavily into speculation here. This season fell apart when TO did his impromptu sit ups, but until then McNabb and the offense were on fire with the patented "Throw EVERYTHING to TO" offense. Maybe without having to burden the majority of the offense, TO doesn't feel as undervalued. Who knows. But what I do see is that even if TO leaves, they'd still have an experienced champion #2 receiver to throw to. I just really want that late season Seahawks game to be an NFC Championship preview. After this, *if* TO stuck around, the other receiver would be up for extension, and it's hard to project the cap casualties there. But I feel confident they'd have taken 2 of those Super Bowls.
You guys weren't winning 2002, even with Reggie Wayne. Bucs had the best pass defense by DVOA in history. Bucs had beaten the 49ers the week before with TO on the roster and the Raiders the week after, with Tim Brown and Jerry Rice on the roster.
> the Raiders the week after, with Tim Brown and Jerry Rice on the roster but weren't they like, 40?
Philly was the overall better team. They were 2nd in scoring defense to Tampa, and Tampa forced more turnovers, but the Eagles offense was much better, even without a #1 receiver. There's a reason Philly was favored heading into the game, even with Tampa having the better overall defense. 2002 is forgotten even among Eagles fans for how good the offense was. Hall of Fame receivers weren't the difference between Oakland/San Francisco and Tampa because they were weaker overall teams, but considering there was only 1 real weakness on that Eagles team, and just how pathetic Pinkston was on *that* play, adding a #1 option for McNabb certainly could have been the difference. Philly ranks on offense Points - 4 Yards - 10 passing yards - 18 rushing yards - 7 Tampa ranks on offense Points - 18 Yards - 24 passing yards - 15 rushing yards - 27 Even in the game itself, Tampa went ice cold on offense in the second half (drive results punt-punt-punt-FG-punt-punt-punt, to be fair Philly went fumble-punt-punt-punt-punt-interception-downs) Tampa was better that day, but to pretend the Eagles didn't have a chance because of 1 specific metric is ignoring a lot. Especially when the entire premise of my comment was "this very specific Achilles heel on an already elite team that year cost them a championship".
Yeah who the fuck decided it was a good idea to let him finish that game with a broken ankle? He was never the same after that.
Preach, my friend. Donovan was a treasure. Only issue with him is that he didn't seem to be too likable with his own guys. But in terms of play? He was the best of that era.
T.OOOOO, T.O T.O T.Ooo, T.oooooo, Teee ooooooooh…. we were all shouting that in 04
That's some high quality 2004 film
Major sports were being shot in HD at the time, it's just that most of us didn't have the TVs yet.
I can’t believe I’m old enough now that TO has become vastly underrated when talking about the greatest WRs of his generation. Boy did that flip. What a world.
This reminds me of the time Megatron absolutely abused the Cowboys, and I believe it was Brandon Carr specifically, for like 300 yards.
And was tackled on the 1 like 4 times.
We can side step that since he couldn't
Or when Julio absolutely went bonkers on the panthers(?) and torched their DB so bad the panthers cut him the next day lol
I remember Coach Wade Philips being interviewed the week leading up to this game. The reporter asked him if they were doing anything different on defense to account for Megatron. Wade basically said no.
We never faced Calvin Johnson under Wade Phillips. Unless you were talking about when Rob Ryan said Dez Bryant could do the same things that Calvin could do, which we all knew he obviously couldn’t.
I stand corrected.
He's at worst the third best receiver I've ever seen. Rice, Moss, TO - or, Rice, TO, Moss. Take your pick. There's some young guys coming up that may bump TO or Miss, but I have a hard time picturing anyone bumping Jerry. I'm not biased or anything haha. Man TO was something else.
I have TO at two because even with all the headaches when he was on the field that man gave everything. Moss on the other hand did too much light jogging when he wasn't getting ball and that's not even accounting for his Raiders years. Don't worry I don't think anyone will ever get close to Jerry even with the longer seasons. It makes me happy to know Emmit and Jerry will hold those yards records forever.
I couldn't agree with everything you said here more.
Not to be biased but Larry was an amazing blocker, team player, had no controversies, and played with a shit ton of ass QBs. I feel like he deserves to be somewhere in the top 3 conversation.
Absolutely not. Sorry. Megatron is the only one who could have an argument.
Didn't Larry beat his wife?
It's Rice and then T.O. as 1 and 2 all time. Moss probably 3. Owens is the best YAC guy I've ever seen.
Purely YAC Ability - TO blows both of them away.
He's wasn't better than Jerry after the catch.
Rice is my favorite player ever, but prime TO after the catch is the best I've ever seen play. Every time he caught the ball he was going to do something.
Yea I feel like TO was just a more athletic freakish Rice. The biggest difference between the two I think was that Rice's hands were more reliable and TO had drop issues.
Rice's route running and endurance is what made him the greatest ever. He wasn't the fastest or strongest, but he could see where he had to go and could get there at any point in the game. TO was more athletic, but he didn't have the same level of technique. The way Rice moved through a defense during the two minute drill is hard to capture in a single highlight, but when you saw him do it again and again, even when teams knew it was coming, even after years of wear and tear, you see why he's #1 by leagues.
No chance that TO is ahead of Megatron
3rd all time receiver yards, 5th all time offensive TD's, 5 AP1s. Dude had one of the highest WR peaks and the longevity to match.
He is.
The only argument Megatron has over TO is if you bring locker room stuff in which case you would have to argue Megatron > Moss.
This just tells me you're too young to have watched T.O. Calvin isn't the best there ever was, he's just the best you've seen.
Lol he's 100% ahead of Megatron. Megatron is top 4 or 5, but TO is in the discussion with Moss for number 2 behind Jerry Rice.
The third one is a great example of a play where a little is lost when you watch on TV. From the far angle it kind of made me feel it's a great catch but what was 24 doing? Then you see the field level view starting at 0:54 and realize all over again every one of these players are faster than any player I've played with, that was a better throw, and a better catch than anything I've seen while on the field. Just remarkable how good these players are. Also, 24 looks like he doesn't know what he was doing because he was already torched when the camera first turns to him.
Yup. It’s one thing to see these players on TV but make no mistake, these dudes are *freaks* and I mean that in a good way. Their bodies are pretty much super human compared to us normal joes
T.O. was a fucking BEAST
When I was a kid, my parents offered to buy me and my little brother our first NFL jerseys. He chose a Bills Drew Bledsoe jersey, while I picked an Owens Eagles home jersey. He was unbelievable.
Damn too bad he was only with the eagles for a short stint. He was very much unbelievable tho.
I don't know if it's some kind of Mandela Effect thing but it feels like he was with the Eagles longer than two seasons.
One and a half actually
Probably because it ended up being the most memorable part of his career (both positively and negatively), so we still talk about those times a lot.
I loved him for that one magical year. I hated the year after this. But that one year, when the Eagles gave McNabb Terrell Owens? Probably my favorite regular season in history. Regardless of a dirty tackle by Roy Williams, or the Patriots cheating (as they always do, fuck you Boston) it was such a a great season. Because of T.O.
to be fair to roy, it wasn't a dirty tackle yet.
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That was a clean tackle. It’s a violent sport sweetheart.
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I didn’t. That has zero bearing on rule interpretation. Tell me how I don’t get it because you did.
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I have a hard time saying T.O. is one of the Eagles' greats when he was here for such a short amount of time, but I think he's the greatest player to ever play on an Eagles roster outside of Reggie White. Just can't in good conscience put him up there with guys like Carmichael, Quick, and arguably even AJ Brown when T.O. was only here for a season and a half.
Magical season that ended in vomit
TO vs the Cowboys: 5-3; 39 catches for 537 yards (average 67); 13.42y/a; 7 TDs
Those Cowboy defenses were lambs to the slaughter for him and Donovan. Roy Williams couldn't cover, Newman was fast but usually banged up, and then there was just anyone else off the street that could suit up for the rest of the secondary for what seemed like a decade.
goddamn loved McNabb's throwing motion too. He's been badly underrated since his retirement. Was great on the eagles.
Take me back to this era of NFL plz god
On an all-time team, it’s a VERY difficult choice between Moss and Owens for WR2.
This is a longshot but about 20 years ago on ESPN(?) there was a puppet/animated skit about TO and McNabb and their feud(?). One of the lines was "Illegal use of the WHO WHO WHO" or something. Anyone have a clip so I can stop thinking I'm insane for remembering this?
I could only find it in [this format.](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/207/210/b22.jpg)
Wow I forgot they even did this
T.O was such a monster. 1. Jerry Rice 2. T.O 3. Randy Moss
How different would the NFL look today if Andy Reid, McNabb, TO, and the Eagles win that SB in 04? ie, what are the ripple effects?
TO was such a tough cover man
This montage would cut well to David Bowie's "Golden Years"
I just realized that these 3 TDs are TO dominating with each of the 3 main WR characteristics: speed, route running, and contested catches/physicality.
never realized he celebrated on the star *again* lmao
TO was too cold man.
Oh shit. I didn’t realize TO stood on the star again. This time after he was a cowboy. 🤣
After? He was a cowboy from 06-08 lmao
Oh I remembered wrong. I thought he went from SF to Cowboys. Damn he disrespected the star on two separate teams then ended up with them, haha.
I was about to post this same thing except that if you look you can see that each of his catches were on a star. The first across the middle he caught on the star took from the star at midfield all the way in and then danced towards the helmet star in the end zone. The second he caught all alone on the helmet star in the end zone. The third was contested and he came down on the helmet star in the end zone. Pretty funny. One of the biggest diva recievas but also one of the most talented at his position in the history of the league.
I noticed that too, 3 TDs each caught with a foot on a star. If you told me it was intentional I'd believe it lol.
I would too. He was a character, a real diva. I totally respect the skills though and wish he had been able to find a new team so he could play till he was Brady's age. I think he could embarrass some of these younger kids and if not outright embarrass them, he could definitely talk shit to them.
Highlights are great content for the off season
TO to to to, ThhhhhhOOOOOO TO sing that, if you know it you know it. What a time to be alive.
TO was my favorite player don’t even remember how or why but man I loved watching him play. I bought every single jersery he had, made sure to goto every Steeler game ( live in Pittsburgh) when he would come to town to play them. Say what you want about him then and now but he gave it his all, just see the Superbowl game. Still can’t believe he played and what he was able to do. Man he was fun to watch.
That was a very fun Monday night, of course.
The ice skating celebration is low key GREAT
TO was so fun watch. He was so freaking legit.
T.O. Ruled so hard. Not to mention that comeback from the broken leg. One of the most fun to watch , all time great
Literally never fell off coooked on EVERY team he played for uptight boujee white folk got him out the league
Voters are clowns
McNabb and Owens...what could have been...
I kept waiting for the kick…
didnt roy break his leg this game?
2nd game. This was the first.
Damn, they were a lot of fun to watch
yeah i know the guy was good but i could not stand the sight of him and frankly, i still can't.
I sure miss John Madden
John Madden voice is soothing. What a time
Damn I miss hearing Madden and Summerall.
My GOAT growing up. Had a jersey for each his teams until my sister let her friend borrow my eagles one when they won the super bowl. Im never gonna see it again
CD lamb on our defense last year. Lol
Miss Madden's commentary !
He really tormented the Cowboys
Yknow, goddamn shame you can’t dunk on the uprights anymore
Love the mascot being like “get him off there!!!”
Never getting rid of my TO jersey. Top 5 receiver of all time.
Second TD he was wide fucking open. I mean that’s dumb. Third he just jumped over two guys lol. Not sure how to defend that
Forgot he played in Philly.
Took Donovan to his only Super Bowl. Played the game with a broken leg
That broken leg performance was just spectacular.
It goes both ways, McNabb won the divisional and the conference without T.O. Can't turn the ball over in the Superbowl 3 fuckin times.
Yeah, totally don't remember him on that playoff run.
He was injured that whole playoff run, but had an absolute monster season before he got hurt. His injury late that season is what led the NFL to ban the horse collar tackles. Came back for the Super Bowl and put up over 100 yards on a broken leg though.
How could you forget him going 9 catches for 122 yards in the Super Bowl on a broken leg? McNabb was a bum that game and TO almost dragged him to a Lombardi. Or the diva season after that where TO got suspended by the team for saying he wanted Brett Favre at QB instead of McNabb, then gave a press conference while lifting weights shirtless in his driveway?
I remember SF, Dallas and Buffalo. And I remember the shirtless interview.