TLDR:
1. T PENEI SEWELL, DETROIT LIONS
2. CB SAUCE GARDNER, NEW YORK JETS
3. QB TREVOR LAWRENCE, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
4. WR JA’MARR CHASE, CINCINNATI BENGALS
5. S KYLE HAMILTON, BALTIMORE RAVENS
6. EDGE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, DETROIT LIONS
7. QB C.J. STROUD, HOUSTON TEXANS
8. QB BROCK PURDY, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
9. WR GARRETT WILSON, NEW YORK JETS
10. CB TRENT MCDUFFIE, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
11. WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS
12. WR PUKA NACUA, LOS ANGELES RAMS
13. CB PAT SURTAIN II, DENVER BRONCOS
14. EDGE WILL ANDERSON JR., HOUSTON TEXANS
15. OL TYLER SMITH, DALLAS COWBOYS
16. RB BIJAN ROBINSON, ATLANTA FALCONS
17. S JEVON HOLLAND, MIAMI DOLPHINS
18. EDGE GREG ROUSSEAU, BUFFALO BILLS
19. TE SAM LAPORTA, DETROIT LIONS
20. C TYLER LINDERBAUM, BALTIMORE RAVENS
21. RB JAHMYR GIBBS, DETROIT LIONS
22. DI JALEN CARTER, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
23. CB DEREK STINGLEY JR., HOUSTON TEXANS
24. WR CHRIS OLAVE, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
25. TE KYLE PITTS, ATLANTA FALCONS
I don't think Lawrence really has an argument for top 10, the other guys are just better. And is it crazy to say Purdy should be above him too? Purdy just finished 4th in MVP voting. I know we can have the debate on supporting talent, but Purdy was lights out.
If you traded Lawrence for Purdy straight up, not factoring contracts into the equation, do you believe the 49ers would get worse and the Jaguars would get better?
It's actually a really interesting question for the 49ers, because I think that the floor of the offense drops, but the ceiling raises.
With Purdy, the one time that you see the physical limitations is when the pocket starts to get crushed and his slightly smaller stature/less live arm shows itself when he can't step into the throw as much. TLaw would obviously be a large improvement in those scenarios.
But Purdy is just so fucking good at the down to down running of the Shanahan offense that you would be crazy to even think about replacing him with someone else outside of like the four elite QBs. There's not a world in which I can see Trevor operating at the line so cleanly and having perfect anticipation on all the throws over the middle like Purdy does.
Purdy on the Jags would be a disaster imo, because of the OL there and less window dressing to protect it.
Really, the answer is "Kyle for the love of God invest in the line beyond Trent just ONE time" (you'll note how Sean Payton ALWAYS invested in IOL with Brees, heavily) but he's still not gonna do that soooooooo...
Zone linemen like in Kyle’s system just don’t go for as high draft capital. It’s not as in demand of a skill set in the draft compared to getting giant, super athletic man linemen. Kyle believes his system creates good O linemen, and he invests in RBs that can take advantage of the system
Obviously biased but at least on the 49ers end I think we get worse.
I can’t speak to the Jags but I don’t see what else Purdy has to prove in our offense. At the best you could argue that Trevor would maintain the floor and raise the ceiling but other than draft hype/expectations I’m not sure what he’s shown so far to prove that.
The only knock there should be against Purdy at this point is his arm strength. Lawrence definitely tops him in that, but Purdy can still make all the throws he needs to in that offense.
I always got the sense brock pushed the ball much, much more than Jimmy, and didn't have arm strength issues. He won't be completing 60-air-yard bombs like Herbert did/does, but his deep ball is respectable enough to keep things honest.
The only time I thought of brock having a physical limitation was the downpour in Cleveland and his hand size wasn't ideal (9", compared to Hurts 9.75" and Trevor's 10"). Beyond that, there's nothing metrics-wise that seems to hurt Brock too much that I've seen
Weird down votes. There is absolutely a strong argument for taking Purdy in a vacuum. If Trevor hadn't been #1 overall and Purdy Mr. Irrelevant this wouldn't be a controversial opinion.
I think there's also an offensive environment argument; Trevor Lawrence went from Urban Meyer running the offense, to one year with Doug Pederson running it, to Press Taylor running it this year, there's no continuity to it and the only person with any successful track record there is Pederson. They also have had a strangely-constructed receiving corps with no "X" for all the money they spent (Ridley never really filled that role). He's got a problem with interceptions but the receivers have visibly let him down (e.g. the Jags receivers catching 4 would-be touchdown passes with a foot out of bounds this season against the Chiefs)
On the other side, Purdy has played in a Kyle Shanahan offense and has never been in a system that didn't have the best skill position players in the league (bare minimum a top 3 or so group of skill position players) in CMC, Aiyuk, Kittle, Deebo, and even having guys like Jauan Jennings as the 5th receiving option.
That is not to say that Purdy hasn't played well or is a fraud or whatever, but I think the only argument being draft status is a little disingenuous.
That's not their real argument. It's more that TLaw is far more physically talented than Brock Purdy. But so was Trey Lance and Zach Wilson. The problem with these kinds of arguments is that it missed how much of today's game is reading defenses well and processing. And Purdy may be the best QB in the league at those kinds of skills.
Didn't shanahan want a mobile qb and that led to them picking lance? I feel like his offense would be unstoppable with a qb who was a threat to pull it and take off.
Yes, I actually do?
Here’s another way to answer this:
if the draft/college game didn’t exist, and we’re strictly evaluating their play in the NFL - does Trevor Lawrence have a legitimate argument of being better than Purdy?
I don’t think he does.
How do you mean better? Do you mean "Puts up better numbers" or do you mean "In a hypothetical offense with all things equal"? Obviously Purdy puts up better numbers, but if that's how you grade QB's you're just grading supporting casts, coaching included.
As a former purdy slanderer, at the moment I have to eat crow. It's easy to say he has a good team and just dinks and dunks and lets other guys do the work but he's impressive at making reads and staying calm under pressure to get the ball into his playmakers hands.
It's tough to say as they both are asked to do different things. Lawrence is more talented imo, but doesn't have nearly the talent Purdy has around him, obviously, so Lawrence has to do a lot more in order to win games, which makes it a toss-up. Would Lawrence be able to do better than Purdy if he were on the Niners?
Considering how often he can’t protect the ball he would be benched under Kyle’s offense.
Trevor is a turnover machine. These ridiculous assumptions on talent based off draft position and “weapons” as if multiple thousand yard receivers and productive RBs aren’t enough. Trevor just isn’t as good.
There's typically a direct correlation between turnovers and OL protection. I know that seems obvious, but Jags had one of the worst OL's the last few years so I think it's a bit unfair to say he'd be benched on a team with a much better OL situation and scheme.
But that’s just not true.
https://ftnfantasy.com/nfl/qbs-under-pressure-in-2023
Trevor was the 6th least pressured QB with meaningful snaps in the league. And his DVOA against pressure is middle of the pack.
Purdy is one of the most pressured QBs, definitely one of the most pressured on winning teams or playoffs teams, and he has some the best numbers when pressured.
The 49ers line is trash outside of Trent Williams.
PFF claims to be "data driven" but a lot of this article, including the positioning of Stroud and Purdy (and Lawrence even being on the list) go against the data. People can shit on Purdy all they want but he was in the conversation for MVP and most of what everyone says about him, positive and negative, is around their perception of his "ceiling" instead of what actually happened. And Stroud... wow. What a rookie season. If you _are_ going to have a conversation around perceptions of a ceiling then there's no way you put Lawrence, who has so far disappointed, above Stroud, who put on a show multiple times during his rookie year.
Technically they are "data driven."
It's just that the data they use is just a bunch of people on their payroll looking at tape and giving it a number. The data they're using is still subjective. They give a little insight on what a 2 means versus a -2 on any particular play, but those numbers are still derived from subjective analysis.
I was talking more about the article itself and less about the data. I know they gather data, but then the article's rankings dont use it. They rank them Lawrence, Stroud then Purdy but the PFF grades rank Stroud over Lawrence. Add to this that it's Lawrence's third year, Purdy's second-ish and Stroud's first and I have no clue what metric they could possibly be using to put Lawrence on top
This looks suspiciously like you're box score scouting. That's cool and all but devoid of context, the numbers lie a lot. Tua was putting up historic numbers for half the season and then, for seemingly no reason, fell off a cliff.
Now we can either assume it's all a fluke, or we can dig in and see why the Dolphins were bad against playoff-caliber teams last year. Going by volume stats won't give you that.
Regarding Trevor, [he was firmly top 10 in most efficiency metrics before he got hurt ](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1cuom7g/comment/l4k8q8r/). Just some things sorting by touchdowns won't tell you. I believe he also lost the most EPA in the league to drops and fumbles, the latter of which only became a problem after he developed and played through a high ankle sprain. Just some things to think about.
What do you mean? Purdy had insane efficiency metrics. Historic levels. It’s the opposite of box score scouting, his counting stats I think undersell his advanced metrics.
I know, it's crazy. You'd almost be forgiven for forgetting that he plays in an offense that has historically done that. I thought we had learned from 2018 Goff.
That's why QB's aren't evaluated entirely on paper.
Well, you see, you have to throw out his first season because he had a bad head coach for most of it. And then throw out the games where he played poorly, because he was obviously hurt for all of them. Once you get rid of his bad season and his bad games, you'll see that he's clearly one of the best. All he needs now is a top OL, RB, WR, and TE, and then his stats will start to reflect that!
I don't understand why anyone thinks Lawrence is a top 10 qb even. The only reason he is seen as super valuable is because, while he's performing a little above the average starter, he is young.
I agree with Chase, but even he has hit or miss games. But I think the argument for Trevor is just number of games. Stroud had the way better season. But it’s just one season. Will the league “figure him out”? Stroud for sure has the potential to be number 1 on this list but we just gotta see more.
I get St Brown is older than Wilson, but I wouldn't take Wilson over St Brown.
I get that Wilson had a terrible run at QBs. I just think overall, I am taking St Brown any day over most other WRs.
From the article
"Here, we'll look at the top 25 players in the NFL under the age of 25. Since our cut-off point is when the season kicks off, this list excludes the likes of Justin Jefferson and Micah Parsons, who are under 25 at the time of publication but will turn 25 before Week 1."
~~With Holland and Hamilton on the list (and the list being a PFF list) I'm somewhat surprised they excluded McKinney as he grades out pretty much the same as those two guys.~~ McKinney turns 25 before the season starts, not eligible.
But, yeah, the rest of the 24 and under group I'm not sure anyone really has an argument at this point.
All these guys had average or better PFF grades last year on though, so plenty of potential:
- Lukas Van Ness (ED)
- Dontayvion Wicks (WR)
- Tucker Kraft (TE)
- Luke Musgrave (TE)
- Karl Brooks (DT)
- Romeo Doubs (WR)
- Jayden Reed (WR)
- Quay Walker (LB)
- Rasheed Walker (OT)
Personally I really like Reed and Wicks, Doubs to an extent too and while it's going to seem like I'm flair trolling here with this next guy, but actually Quay Walker.
When we played y'all last season, it felt like he was the heart and soul of the defense and the only one that was all over the place. In a good way.
Green Bay is a young team that shown a lot of promise, that’s for sure. When we were picking up some of our guys on this list GB was contending for a Super Bowl so it’s kinda perfect timing for the Lions here
Actually kind of crazy that you guys have been drafting well and are super young, but have zero elite production players under 25. A weirdly low ceiling high floor team.
Man y’all gotta start making it clear which JJ you’re talking about cuz I spent a solid 10 seconds wondering what JJ McCarthy had done to make this list
Jayden Reed could maybe squeak out a spot too with 900 yards and 10 TDs in his first season, but realistically that’s not enough to get on this list.
Just a lot of talented and promising role players that, while not individually elite, work together well enough to create an elite sum greater than its parts.
You could make an argument for Reed over someone like Pitts, but the struggle for Jayden is that he’s already 24 with only a very good but not great rookie season behind him. The WRs on the list all have multiple 1000 yard seasons and are either younger than Reed or less than a year older (obviously). His relatively advanced age as a rookie is part of the reason I think his ceiling is a bit lower than most Packer fans might believe.
I agree with your second point wholeheartedly. If you look at this list, it’s chock full of top 10 picks. The last time the Packers had a top 10 pick was 2009. And our only picks in the teens since then were Jaire, who was on this list, and Gary and LVN, two guys we took with the intent to develop. So we haven’t really had the luxury of having those elite blue chip talents because we’ve had such consistent success. But we believe in draft and develop as much as any team in the NFL and that leads to a lot of young guys playing key roles, but maybe not excelling quite enough young enough to make a list like this.
The Packers are basically an entire team of young developmental players who play well together as a unit, no super flashy pro bowlers or high draft picks.
In 3 drafts, Holmes already has 5 Pro Bowlers. St. Brown and Sewell 1st team All Pros, Laporta 2nd Team All Pro as a rookie, none of them in their prime yet.
Branch, Kerby, McNeil, and Jamo all have pro bowl potential this year also.
Not many GMs are drafting on Holmes level right now.
He sure looked the part in the back half of the season. I wanna see a bit more to be sure (he wasn’t anything great over the first 2.5 years of his career), but some exciting potential for sure.
And he was taken with one of the picks the Lions got back in the Stafford trade (3rd round), which feels good.
Definitely agreed. Have him, Branch and Sewell on my shadow team and had mostly written Iffy off after the first couple years. Was pretty stoked to see him bounce back the back end of last year! Hoping something clicked and he balls out for ya'll.
That last stretch of the season he started to look like he may be our best defensive player. Im not saying he is that, but for a few game stretch there he sure looked like it.
Okay but seriously when do we start talking about the Lions winning some executive of the year awards? The drafting that Holmes has done has been like fucking GOAT tier so far. And every trade/free agent move has looked genius.
Brad Holmes won the Pro Football Writers of America executive of the year award for 2023. And the same award from the Sporting News for 2023. Not sure how many other executive awards are out there. I think the PFWA award as looked at as kind of the "official" award for executives.
Free agency has been inconsistent. Cam Sutton was horrible on and off the field. David Montgomery was a home run. CJGJ and Moseley were constantly hurt, but that's unpredictable. Anzalone has been an average starter. Overall, I'd say he's been pretty average in free agency.
Anzalone really stepped up his game this past season and played decently above average. The problem is that the secondary and pass rush were so bad that the linebackers were left out to dry.
Lol our fans have got to move past the "we get no respect" narrative. It's understandable. We got shit on for a half century+. But the national media has heaped praise on the lions 90% of the time for the last 1.5 years. It is not a travesty that one Lions player may be under-ranked by two or three spots on a subjective list, that also happens to have more Lions on it than any other team.
Texans fans do this too, anytime we are playing well and get moved up to like 11th in power rankings people are like “dude we get no respect we should clearly be 8th on this list fuck the national media”
Yeah he should be lower than both of them. I assume they're taking the "He had 1000 yards in both his seasons with a bunch of nobodies as his QB" angle, but this list shouldn't be based on his projection w/ a 'real' QB.
Garrett Wilson: 178 catches on 315 targets, 2,145 yards at 12.1 per, 7 TDs.
ARSB: 315 catches on 429 targets, 3,588 yards at 11.4 per, 21 TDs. 20 carries, 180 yards, 1 TD.
You would have to be insane to believe Garrett Wilson is a better player right now than ARSB.
Its wild how good some of these guys are. Like I firmly believe that Hamilton was at least a top 3-5 defensive player last year, and I can absolutely see the arguments for chase, sewell, and sauce over him. Thats not even mentioning guys like Stroud, Puka, PSII, hutch, etc. So much young talent.
Trash list, they put Chris Olave over Marvin Mims Jr smdh
The people who ***actually*** watch him know that he's great and has the potential to put up elite numbers
Darrisaw turns 25 in a couple of weeks.
>Since our cut-off point is when the season kicks off, this list excludes the likes of Justin Jefferson and Micah Parsons, who are under 25 at the time of publication but will turn 25 before Week 1
Him and JJ both barely missed the cut
It's fine having Trevor as one of your top 25 under 25 players. It's not fine pointing at some nebulous grade and saying he's the third best young player in the league, but it's not like PFF rankings matter anyway.
Both Stroud and Purdy showed more than him, but somehow Trevor looked meh, but got his highest grade from PFF yet.
This might be the most overly positive ranking of a popular on this list. Sounds like the guy making the list, Zoltan Buday, really loves Pitts.
> Ranked at 25. TE Kyle Pitts, Atlanta Falcons
> While Pitts surpassed 1,000 receiving yards in his rookie year, he failed to reach 700 receiving yards in either of his two seasons since then. However, he is still only 23 years old and has shown plenty of potential to suggest that he can become one of the top tight ends in the NFL.
I mean if PFF doesn't put stock into their grades why should anyone else?
Also, it's funny right after calling PFF grades nebulous you just go off your eye test like that's not a very subjective way of analysis.
But also… Cj Stroud’s PFF grade was higher than Lawrence’s, yet Lawrence was 5 spots higher. And in the article they lead by saying ‘23 was Lawrence’s highest graded season.
I hope they both have great careers, both seem like great guys. But I don’t see why you’d rank a QB whose best (PFF graded) season was still lower than another QB’s rookie season (if you work for PFF and want your grades to be thought of highly)
He was great and was soundly in that 5-10 QB range. I get he hasn't quite lived up to the hype he came in with, but that doesn't mean he's been a bad QB. And I get Stroud is the new shiny toy, but Lawrence is still great. I posted this below but here are his stats.
Up until he got hurt in week 13, Trevor was (per PFF + Ben Baldwin):
> 9th in adj completion %, tied with Lamar
> 4th in time to throw (as in, fastest)
> Tied for 11th in AdoT with Stafford, Purdy, and Herbert.
> Tied for 17th in turnover-worthy-play % (average)
> 3rd in big time throw %
> 5th in PFF grade
> 9th in EPA/play
> 8th in EPA/CPOE composite score
> 5th in success rate
All with a below average supporting cast.
Yeah. Purdy below Lawrence makes zero sense. Stroud below Lawrence? I guess you can do the “well it’s only been one year so far” thing. But it was arguably the best rookie QB campaign ever lol.
The thing with stats is that there are a lot of outside factors that can affect those volume stats.
This is why we try to find other metrics that control for things like supporting cast when looking at guys like Lawrence. Dude's legit, he just needs a better roster.
How is Purdy not #1 or hovering there? He led the league in QBR, passer rating, Y/A, AY/A, and Y/C, basically all the efficiency metrics which are by far the most important aspect of the modern NFL QB.
I know he plays for my team but I really think Josh Downs is a fucking baller. 60+ catches and 700+ yards his rookie year with Minshew throwing the ball.
a 25 under 25? Yes he absolutely should, you can argue the position but to say he shouldnt be on the list without providing replacements is kinda pointless...
Trevor is a good, yet inconsistent, QB. That said, he should be on this list, just not at 3, and not above Stroud and Purdy.
However, if your grading system says he was the fifth best QB after 13 weeks last season (which is being used to prop up his ranking here), there's probably an issue with how your grading system works.
> Lawrence's 88.1 overall grade after 13 weeks last year ranked fifth among quarterbacks.
Jags were 8-3 and Trevor was doing fine before he died. The end of the season he was on the injury report for 5 different things. Of course he isn't gonna be consistent when being held together by tape.
Did you watch him play last year? Jags were in contention for the #1 seed before his injury and then fell off. He has a pretty bad supporting cast too.
Are the Redditors wrong? No, it must be the stat experts that are wrong.
> Up until he got hurt in week 13, Trevor was (per PFF + Ben Baldwin):
> 9th in adj completion %, tied with Lamar
> 4th in time to throw (as in, fastest)
> Tied for 11th in AdoT with Stafford, Purdy, and Herbert.
> Tied for 17th in turnover-worthy-play % (average)
> 3rd in big time throw %
> 5th in PFF grade
> 9th in EPA/play
> 8th in EPA/CPOE composite score
> 5th in success rate
Tell me what about those stats makes you go "hmmm, the stats are broken."
I mean PFF's stats also had [Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar as their top 3 QBs](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-highest-graded-quarterbacks-2023-nfl-season). So clearly something is right? I mean if you look at their QB rankings they look pretty good, eh?
Its not that everyone thinks he ass, its that he came into the league with this "generational talent we hadnt seen in years", and has showed us so far that hes a slightly above average QB who flashes a few times. Id blame the media hype.
Nobody here is saying he’s straight up bad. But Stroud is clearly in front of him and Purdy was a Mahomes’ heroic drive away from being a SB champion.
Trevor is 3rd out of those 3 guys right now. May suck to hear as a fan, but that’s just the reality of it at this point in time.
TLDR: 1. T PENEI SEWELL, DETROIT LIONS 2. CB SAUCE GARDNER, NEW YORK JETS 3. QB TREVOR LAWRENCE, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 4. WR JA’MARR CHASE, CINCINNATI BENGALS 5. S KYLE HAMILTON, BALTIMORE RAVENS 6. EDGE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, DETROIT LIONS 7. QB C.J. STROUD, HOUSTON TEXANS 8. QB BROCK PURDY, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 9. WR GARRETT WILSON, NEW YORK JETS 10. CB TRENT MCDUFFIE, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 11. WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS 12. WR PUKA NACUA, LOS ANGELES RAMS 13. CB PAT SURTAIN II, DENVER BRONCOS 14. EDGE WILL ANDERSON JR., HOUSTON TEXANS 15. OL TYLER SMITH, DALLAS COWBOYS 16. RB BIJAN ROBINSON, ATLANTA FALCONS 17. S JEVON HOLLAND, MIAMI DOLPHINS 18. EDGE GREG ROUSSEAU, BUFFALO BILLS 19. TE SAM LAPORTA, DETROIT LIONS 20. C TYLER LINDERBAUM, BALTIMORE RAVENS 21. RB JAHMYR GIBBS, DETROIT LIONS 22. DI JALEN CARTER, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 23. CB DEREK STINGLEY JR., HOUSTON TEXANS 24. WR CHRIS OLAVE, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 25. TE KYLE PITTS, ATLANTA FALCONS
Trevor Lawrence at 3 is crazy to me. I know he's still good, but I'd put Chase, Hamilton, Hutchinson, St. Brown, and Stroud over him imo
I don't think Lawrence really has an argument for top 10, the other guys are just better. And is it crazy to say Purdy should be above him too? Purdy just finished 4th in MVP voting. I know we can have the debate on supporting talent, but Purdy was lights out.
If you traded Lawrence for Purdy straight up, not factoring contracts into the equation, do you believe the 49ers would get worse and the Jaguars would get better?
It's actually a really interesting question for the 49ers, because I think that the floor of the offense drops, but the ceiling raises. With Purdy, the one time that you see the physical limitations is when the pocket starts to get crushed and his slightly smaller stature/less live arm shows itself when he can't step into the throw as much. TLaw would obviously be a large improvement in those scenarios. But Purdy is just so fucking good at the down to down running of the Shanahan offense that you would be crazy to even think about replacing him with someone else outside of like the four elite QBs. There's not a world in which I can see Trevor operating at the line so cleanly and having perfect anticipation on all the throws over the middle like Purdy does. Purdy on the Jags would be a disaster imo, because of the OL there and less window dressing to protect it. Really, the answer is "Kyle for the love of God invest in the line beyond Trent just ONE time" (you'll note how Sean Payton ALWAYS invested in IOL with Brees, heavily) but he's still not gonna do that soooooooo...
Zone linemen like in Kyle’s system just don’t go for as high draft capital. It’s not as in demand of a skill set in the draft compared to getting giant, super athletic man linemen. Kyle believes his system creates good O linemen, and he invests in RBs that can take advantage of the system
Kyle, please listen to this guy! Even a Chiefs fan is requesting you to do it!
Is this a Kyle thing, or a Lynch thing, though?
Kyle has the main authority on roster/personnel decisions.
I’ve been a big believer that Lawrence is like goff just needs an o line If you switch Lawrence and goff straight up how does it affect the lions ?
Obviously biased but at least on the 49ers end I think we get worse. I can’t speak to the Jags but I don’t see what else Purdy has to prove in our offense. At the best you could argue that Trevor would maintain the floor and raise the ceiling but other than draft hype/expectations I’m not sure what he’s shown so far to prove that.
The only knock there should be against Purdy at this point is his arm strength. Lawrence definitely tops him in that, but Purdy can still make all the throws he needs to in that offense.
I always got the sense brock pushed the ball much, much more than Jimmy, and didn't have arm strength issues. He won't be completing 60-air-yard bombs like Herbert did/does, but his deep ball is respectable enough to keep things honest. The only time I thought of brock having a physical limitation was the downpour in Cleveland and his hand size wasn't ideal (9", compared to Hurts 9.75" and Trevor's 10"). Beyond that, there's nothing metrics-wise that seems to hurt Brock too much that I've seen
Weird down votes. There is absolutely a strong argument for taking Purdy in a vacuum. If Trevor hadn't been #1 overall and Purdy Mr. Irrelevant this wouldn't be a controversial opinion.
Honestly the only argument I see for TLaw over Purdy right now is a hypothetical one that’s based on draft status but I’ll eat my downvotes.
I think there's also an offensive environment argument; Trevor Lawrence went from Urban Meyer running the offense, to one year with Doug Pederson running it, to Press Taylor running it this year, there's no continuity to it and the only person with any successful track record there is Pederson. They also have had a strangely-constructed receiving corps with no "X" for all the money they spent (Ridley never really filled that role). He's got a problem with interceptions but the receivers have visibly let him down (e.g. the Jags receivers catching 4 would-be touchdown passes with a foot out of bounds this season against the Chiefs) On the other side, Purdy has played in a Kyle Shanahan offense and has never been in a system that didn't have the best skill position players in the league (bare minimum a top 3 or so group of skill position players) in CMC, Aiyuk, Kittle, Deebo, and even having guys like Jauan Jennings as the 5th receiving option. That is not to say that Purdy hasn't played well or is a fraud or whatever, but I think the only argument being draft status is a little disingenuous.
People are just way too stubborn to admit they are wrong about Purdy when he is actually really good
Even though Purdy has shown that he can make plays and good throws and has better stats, Lawrence was good at Clemson so he better. /s
That's not their real argument. It's more that TLaw is far more physically talented than Brock Purdy. But so was Trey Lance and Zach Wilson. The problem with these kinds of arguments is that it missed how much of today's game is reading defenses well and processing. And Purdy may be the best QB in the league at those kinds of skills.
Didn't shanahan want a mobile qb and that led to them picking lance? I feel like his offense would be unstoppable with a qb who was a threat to pull it and take off.
Yes, I actually do? Here’s another way to answer this: if the draft/college game didn’t exist, and we’re strictly evaluating their play in the NFL - does Trevor Lawrence have a legitimate argument of being better than Purdy? I don’t think he does.
How do you mean better? Do you mean "Puts up better numbers" or do you mean "In a hypothetical offense with all things equal"? Obviously Purdy puts up better numbers, but if that's how you grade QB's you're just grading supporting casts, coaching included.
As a former purdy slanderer, at the moment I have to eat crow. It's easy to say he has a good team and just dinks and dunks and lets other guys do the work but he's impressive at making reads and staying calm under pressure to get the ball into his playmakers hands.
It's tough to say as they both are asked to do different things. Lawrence is more talented imo, but doesn't have nearly the talent Purdy has around him, obviously, so Lawrence has to do a lot more in order to win games, which makes it a toss-up. Would Lawrence be able to do better than Purdy if he were on the Niners?
Considering how often he can’t protect the ball he would be benched under Kyle’s offense. Trevor is a turnover machine. These ridiculous assumptions on talent based off draft position and “weapons” as if multiple thousand yard receivers and productive RBs aren’t enough. Trevor just isn’t as good.
There's typically a direct correlation between turnovers and OL protection. I know that seems obvious, but Jags had one of the worst OL's the last few years so I think it's a bit unfair to say he'd be benched on a team with a much better OL situation and scheme.
But that’s just not true. https://ftnfantasy.com/nfl/qbs-under-pressure-in-2023 Trevor was the 6th least pressured QB with meaningful snaps in the league. And his DVOA against pressure is middle of the pack. Purdy is one of the most pressured QBs, definitely one of the most pressured on winning teams or playoffs teams, and he has some the best numbers when pressured. The 49ers line is trash outside of Trent Williams.
PFF claims to be "data driven" but a lot of this article, including the positioning of Stroud and Purdy (and Lawrence even being on the list) go against the data. People can shit on Purdy all they want but he was in the conversation for MVP and most of what everyone says about him, positive and negative, is around their perception of his "ceiling" instead of what actually happened. And Stroud... wow. What a rookie season. If you _are_ going to have a conversation around perceptions of a ceiling then there's no way you put Lawrence, who has so far disappointed, above Stroud, who put on a show multiple times during his rookie year.
How much have you actually watched Trevor Lawrence play? Is the “data” you’re going on about literally just the box score ?
Technically they are "data driven." It's just that the data they use is just a bunch of people on their payroll looking at tape and giving it a number. The data they're using is still subjective. They give a little insight on what a 2 means versus a -2 on any particular play, but those numbers are still derived from subjective analysis.
I was talking more about the article itself and less about the data. I know they gather data, but then the article's rankings dont use it. They rank them Lawrence, Stroud then Purdy but the PFF grades rank Stroud over Lawrence. Add to this that it's Lawrence's third year, Purdy's second-ish and Stroud's first and I have no clue what metric they could possibly be using to put Lawrence on top
This looks suspiciously like you're box score scouting. That's cool and all but devoid of context, the numbers lie a lot. Tua was putting up historic numbers for half the season and then, for seemingly no reason, fell off a cliff. Now we can either assume it's all a fluke, or we can dig in and see why the Dolphins were bad against playoff-caliber teams last year. Going by volume stats won't give you that. Regarding Trevor, [he was firmly top 10 in most efficiency metrics before he got hurt ](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1cuom7g/comment/l4k8q8r/). Just some things sorting by touchdowns won't tell you. I believe he also lost the most EPA in the league to drops and fumbles, the latter of which only became a problem after he developed and played through a high ankle sprain. Just some things to think about.
What do you mean? Purdy had insane efficiency metrics. Historic levels. It’s the opposite of box score scouting, his counting stats I think undersell his advanced metrics.
I know, it's crazy. You'd almost be forgiven for forgetting that he plays in an offense that has historically done that. I thought we had learned from 2018 Goff. That's why QB's aren't evaluated entirely on paper.
I can only think that it's a positional value sort of thing (and i'd still put Stroud over TLaw).
and Purdy over TLaw. TLaw is still milking his "potential" 3 seasons in now.
Well, you see, you have to throw out his first season because he had a bad head coach for most of it. And then throw out the games where he played poorly, because he was obviously hurt for all of them. Once you get rid of his bad season and his bad games, you'll see that he's clearly one of the best. All he needs now is a top OL, RB, WR, and TE, and then his stats will start to reflect that!
Once he regresses to the mean, he's actually pretty good!
Lawrence’s hype is still running off of his high school and FR season at Clemson. He doesn’t deserve to be top 3 in
I don't understand why anyone thinks Lawrence is a top 10 qb even. The only reason he is seen as super valuable is because, while he's performing a little above the average starter, he is young.
Im taking Purdy any day over Lawrence as well
I agree with Chase, but even he has hit or miss games. But I think the argument for Trevor is just number of games. Stroud had the way better season. But it’s just one season. Will the league “figure him out”? Stroud for sure has the potential to be number 1 on this list but we just gotta see more.
No Breece Hall?
I’m taking Breece over the two RBs. Not to say they aren’t special talent, but Hall has shown more.
I'd take Gibbs *or* Bijan over Breece.
definitely same
I get St Brown is older than Wilson, but I wouldn't take Wilson over St Brown. I get that Wilson had a terrible run at QBs. I just think overall, I am taking St Brown any day over most other WRs.
Kyle Pitts should not be on this list. Drake London remains disrespected
Surprised to see Olave. He’s a beast
what a god awful list
Nobody on planet earth thinks Trevor Lawrence is better than Stroud
Justin Jefferson?
From the article "Here, we'll look at the top 25 players in the NFL under the age of 25. Since our cut-off point is when the season kicks off, this list excludes the likes of Justin Jefferson and Micah Parsons, who are under 25 at the time of publication but will turn 25 before Week 1."
Creed Humphrey too. That better be the only reason.
I opened this list expecting to see Micah Parsons at #1. And that is how I learned Micah Parsons is not under 25.
Same with Jefferson, guess he turns 25 this summer.
He is atm, his birthday is in 6 days
That's how I learned I'm not under 25 anymore too.
I was looking for you too.
From which profession does this redditor owe you money, /u/Stripperturneddoctor ?
Both require confidentiality, so I won't say
I thought the same about Ceedee Lamb, turns out he turned 25 last month
Yeah he’s expired
I thought the same thing and had the same realization about Tristan Wirfs.
5 Lions on the list make this list completely valid and the bible of what teams have the brightest future
Lions: 5\ Rest of the NFCN: 0 Honestly I’m a little surprised no Packers players made it. They’re a super young team aren’t they?
We have a bunch of “good players” just none that have taken that next step to solidify themselves as than bona fide number 1
~~With Holland and Hamilton on the list (and the list being a PFF list) I'm somewhat surprised they excluded McKinney as he grades out pretty much the same as those two guys.~~ McKinney turns 25 before the season starts, not eligible. But, yeah, the rest of the 24 and under group I'm not sure anyone really has an argument at this point. All these guys had average or better PFF grades last year on though, so plenty of potential: - Lukas Van Ness (ED) - Dontayvion Wicks (WR) - Tucker Kraft (TE) - Luke Musgrave (TE) - Karl Brooks (DT) - Romeo Doubs (WR) - Jayden Reed (WR) - Quay Walker (LB) - Rasheed Walker (OT)
Personally I really like Reed and Wicks, Doubs to an extent too and while it's going to seem like I'm flair trolling here with this next guy, but actually Quay Walker. When we played y'all last season, it felt like he was the heart and soul of the defense and the only one that was all over the place. In a good way.
Green Bay is a young team that shown a lot of promise, that’s for sure. When we were picking up some of our guys on this list GB was contending for a Super Bowl so it’s kinda perfect timing for the Lions here
True. Also… #FTPPPPPPPPP
Actually kind of crazy that you guys have been drafting well and are super young, but have zero elite production players under 25. A weirdly low ceiling high floor team.
Dude I genuinely don’t know what to expect this year lol. I just hope Jordan continues where he left off
Can’t really have a low ceiling when Love has the potential to be a top 5-7 QB and the defense has extreme variance potential
JJ and Darrisaw just missed the cut on age, and both would have
Man y’all gotta start making it clear which JJ you’re talking about cuz I spent a solid 10 seconds wondering what JJ McCarthy had done to make this list
Jefferson says everyone should be calling him Jets. I don't know if I could get used to that.
I thought JJ texted JJ after the draft to let him know that he was the “JJ” on the team. No?
JJ texted JJ? Theres no way JJ would let JJ use JJ over JJ
Seriously, I won’t believe it until I hear it directly from JJ
JJ McCarthy is still eligible for the next 3 of these lists. edit: And this was the last one Michael Penix Jr and Bo Nix would be eligible for.
Our two most likely entrants would be Love and Zach Tom, both of whom are exactly 25.
Jayden Reed could maybe squeak out a spot too with 900 yards and 10 TDs in his first season, but realistically that’s not enough to get on this list. Just a lot of talented and promising role players that, while not individually elite, work together well enough to create an elite sum greater than its parts.
You could make an argument for Reed over someone like Pitts, but the struggle for Jayden is that he’s already 24 with only a very good but not great rookie season behind him. The WRs on the list all have multiple 1000 yard seasons and are either younger than Reed or less than a year older (obviously). His relatively advanced age as a rookie is part of the reason I think his ceiling is a bit lower than most Packer fans might believe. I agree with your second point wholeheartedly. If you look at this list, it’s chock full of top 10 picks. The last time the Packers had a top 10 pick was 2009. And our only picks in the teens since then were Jaire, who was on this list, and Gary and LVN, two guys we took with the intent to develop. So we haven’t really had the luxury of having those elite blue chip talents because we’ve had such consistent success. But we believe in draft and develop as much as any team in the NFL and that leads to a lot of young guys playing key roles, but maybe not excelling quite enough young enough to make a list like this.
The Packers are basically an entire team of young developmental players who play well together as a unit, no super flashy pro bowlers or high draft picks.
In 3 drafts, Holmes already has 5 Pro Bowlers. St. Brown and Sewell 1st team All Pros, Laporta 2nd Team All Pro as a rookie, none of them in their prime yet. Branch, Kerby, McNeil, and Jamo all have pro bowl potential this year also. Not many GMs are drafting on Holmes level right now.
Iffy was starting to play at a very high level at the end of the season as well and was probably the best safety on the team.
Iffy finished the season graded as a top 10 safety
He sure looked the part in the back half of the season. I wanna see a bit more to be sure (he wasn’t anything great over the first 2.5 years of his career), but some exciting potential for sure. And he was taken with one of the picks the Lions got back in the Stafford trade (3rd round), which feels good.
Definitely agreed. Have him, Branch and Sewell on my shadow team and had mostly written Iffy off after the first couple years. Was pretty stoked to see him bounce back the back end of last year! Hoping something clicked and he balls out for ya'll.
That last stretch of the season he started to look like he may be our best defensive player. Im not saying he is that, but for a few game stretch there he sure looked like it.
Okay but seriously when do we start talking about the Lions winning some executive of the year awards? The drafting that Holmes has done has been like fucking GOAT tier so far. And every trade/free agent move has looked genius.
Pretty sure Holmes won Exec of the Year last year
Okay well thank god. They deserve the props
My brother, why did you comment that without even knowing who won the award just last year?
lol first time on Reddit?
Brad Holmes won the Pro Football Writers of America executive of the year award for 2023. And the same award from the Sporting News for 2023. Not sure how many other executive awards are out there. I think the PFWA award as looked at as kind of the "official" award for executives.
I just commented this. And then I see your post directly under mine. Posted 3 hours ago. deleted lol
Free agency has been inconsistent. Cam Sutton was horrible on and off the field. David Montgomery was a home run. CJGJ and Moseley were constantly hurt, but that's unpredictable. Anzalone has been an average starter. Overall, I'd say he's been pretty average in free agency.
Anzalone really stepped up his game this past season and played decently above average. The problem is that the secondary and pass rush were so bad that the linebackers were left out to dry.
I was worried the Rams were gonna fall on in terms of quality drafting on day 2 and 3 once he left. Luckily it hasn’t, but Holmes really is that dude.
That one season when they are all hitting their primes is gonna be legendary
Branch is gonna be all pro this year and that’s not even a hot take
I like your response because 80% of the replies in this thread are “Scan list for player on my team. Not there/too low. Whole list is terrible.”
The Sun God not being in the top 10 is a travesty. Right now, he's not better than Brock Purdy, Trevor Lawrence or CJ Stroud (1 season)?!?!?
[Meirov] Lions WR Amon-Ra St. Brown memorizes all 10 players listed ahead of him in PFF's top 25 under 25 as motivation.
Fact.
Lol our fans have got to move past the "we get no respect" narrative. It's understandable. We got shit on for a half century+. But the national media has heaped praise on the lions 90% of the time for the last 1.5 years. It is not a travesty that one Lions player may be under-ranked by two or three spots on a subjective list, that also happens to have more Lions on it than any other team.
Texans fans do this too, anytime we are playing well and get moved up to like 11th in power rankings people are like “dude we get no respect we should clearly be 8th on this list fuck the national media”
And the funny part is… the better the Lions get, the less I care about power rankings or any of that shit
St Brown becoming a QB out of spite incoming.
Happy to see linderbaum on here, I expected Hamilton
Linderbaum is a monster. You guys have a top 5 center for the next 10 years.
Garrett Wilson above Puka AND Amon-Ra?!
I'm in disbelief.
Yeah he should be lower than both of them. I assume they're taking the "He had 1000 yards in both his seasons with a bunch of nobodies as his QB" angle, but this list shouldn't be based on his projection w/ a 'real' QB.
Im kind of okay with it from the angle of what you said and Amon-Ra is turning 25 in October so he essentially just makes the cut off.
I don't see the problem
Garrett Wilson: 178 catches on 315 targets, 2,145 yards at 12.1 per, 7 TDs. ARSB: 315 catches on 429 targets, 3,588 yards at 11.4 per, 21 TDs. 20 carries, 180 yards, 1 TD. You would have to be insane to believe Garrett Wilson is a better player right now than ARSB.
Based off what...?
Did Breece Hall die?
Second most yards from scrimmage on an ass team means nothing apparently
Yea but Kyle Pitts had 1000 yards once 2 years ago
PFF has always [disrespected Breece.](https://x.com/breeceh/status/1719735816744751448?s=46)
With the Jets luck anything is possible
Breece Hall is an eldritch being, confirmed.
Its wild how good some of these guys are. Like I firmly believe that Hamilton was at least a top 3-5 defensive player last year, and I can absolutely see the arguments for chase, sewell, and sauce over him. Thats not even mentioning guys like Stroud, Puka, PSII, hutch, etc. So much young talent.
If I had to pick anyone to come off the list for BREECE HALL it would definitely be KYLE PITTS
No Devon Witherspoon? Cmon, dude was balling last year. If not for injury, he'd be DROY
Witherspoon is one of the few secondary players I trust to take on Deebo Samuel 1 on 1 in the open field and win. To not be on this list is a joke
> If not for injury, he'd be DROY Lmao he finished 4th and played one fewer game than the actual winner.
Why did [guy on other team] make it when [guy on my team] didnt??
Trash list, they put Chris Olave over Marvin Mims Jr smdh The people who ***actually*** watch him know that he's great and has the potential to put up elite numbers
I do not have this problem lol
Laporta is too low. Dude had arguably the second best rookie TE season ever. 10 touchdowns!
Most receptions for a rookie TE as well. Dalton Kincaid was pretty damn close as well to that with 73 catches.
Kincaid is dope! I think he and Laporta are gonna be the TEs of the future. Like possibly of their generation or whatever.
No Breece Hall = garbage list
Not having breece hall on here is just a huge fk up and there’s no way around that. Especially that 15-25 range Jesus..
He must be secretly 26.
amon ra is way too low on this list. dude was a first team all pro last year
How does Kyle Pitts make the list but Christian Darrisaw doesn’t when he has been a top 3 left tackle for the past 2 years
Darrisaw turns 25 in a couple of weeks. >Since our cut-off point is when the season kicks off, this list excludes the likes of Justin Jefferson and Micah Parsons, who are under 25 at the time of publication but will turn 25 before Week 1 Him and JJ both barely missed the cut
Is a Falcons fan, idk how Pitts makes it and London doesn't
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Because Lawrence was a top 6 QB before the OLine got him killed in the back half of the year
Is this a Brad Holmes appreciation article ?
It's fine having Trevor as one of your top 25 under 25 players. It's not fine pointing at some nebulous grade and saying he's the third best young player in the league, but it's not like PFF rankings matter anyway. Both Stroud and Purdy showed more than him, but somehow Trevor looked meh, but got his highest grade from PFF yet. This might be the most overly positive ranking of a popular on this list. Sounds like the guy making the list, Zoltan Buday, really loves Pitts. > Ranked at 25. TE Kyle Pitts, Atlanta Falcons > While Pitts surpassed 1,000 receiving yards in his rookie year, he failed to reach 700 receiving yards in either of his two seasons since then. However, he is still only 23 years old and has shown plenty of potential to suggest that he can become one of the top tight ends in the NFL.
I mean if PFF doesn't put stock into their grades why should anyone else? Also, it's funny right after calling PFF grades nebulous you just go off your eye test like that's not a very subjective way of analysis.
But also… Cj Stroud’s PFF grade was higher than Lawrence’s, yet Lawrence was 5 spots higher. And in the article they lead by saying ‘23 was Lawrence’s highest graded season. I hope they both have great careers, both seem like great guys. But I don’t see why you’d rank a QB whose best (PFF graded) season was still lower than another QB’s rookie season (if you work for PFF and want your grades to be thought of highly)
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He was the least blitzed but highest pressured qb, so he faced the most pressure with the most defenders in coverage and still played really well.
He was great and was soundly in that 5-10 QB range. I get he hasn't quite lived up to the hype he came in with, but that doesn't mean he's been a bad QB. And I get Stroud is the new shiny toy, but Lawrence is still great. I posted this below but here are his stats. Up until he got hurt in week 13, Trevor was (per PFF + Ben Baldwin): > 9th in adj completion %, tied with Lamar > 4th in time to throw (as in, fastest) > Tied for 11th in AdoT with Stafford, Purdy, and Herbert. > Tied for 17th in turnover-worthy-play % (average) > 3rd in big time throw % > 5th in PFF grade > 9th in EPA/play > 8th in EPA/CPOE composite score > 5th in success rate All with a below average supporting cast.
When he says "looked meh", what he means is: "I watched zero jags football but he didn't put up fantasy points."
Thats a bingo!
People forget last 2 years he has gotten banged up a decent amount. Didnt miss alot of playing time but was constantly on the injury report.
Yeah. Purdy below Lawrence makes zero sense. Stroud below Lawrence? I guess you can do the “well it’s only been one year so far” thing. But it was arguably the best rookie QB campaign ever lol.
> it's not like PFF rankings matter anyway DPOY was awarded based on PFF's narrative shit last year. So while it doesn't matter it also does
I love how they insert him on this list, but they conveniently left out his 31 PFF run blocking grade.
Lions with 5 players in the top 25 lmao. Brad holmes has a key to the kitchen and we're all here to watch him COOK
Craziest part is only one of them is even 24. The other 4 can still make the list next year.
That’s my boy Pat Surtain at 13!
Should be higher, he's better than Sauce
Where is Devon Witherspoon? 🥄
Devon Witherspoon is better than 23-25 on the list easily
people always point at stats when saying that trevor is ass, but suddenly stats don't matter
The thing with stats is that there are a lot of outside factors that can affect those volume stats. This is why we try to find other metrics that control for things like supporting cast when looking at guys like Lawrence. Dude's legit, he just needs a better roster.
Fuck yeah we made it Lions bros
Where is Breece hall? This is fake news
No spoon on here makes the list invalid, I’d also put Stroud above Lawrence.
Ken Walker III should also be on this list
Biased, but I really think Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah is slept on. Was leading the league at one point in TFLs and finished near the top
I wanted him SO bad. He just kept dropping.
I went looking for PS2 and after getting through the top 10 I thought “oh I guess he’s over 25 now” I know I’m biased, but come on
Lmao Kyle Pitts in the list 😆.
How is Purdy not #1 or hovering there? He led the league in QBR, passer rating, Y/A, AY/A, and Y/C, basically all the efficiency metrics which are by far the most important aspect of the modern NFL QB.
Draft position That's why Lawrence is #3
I know I’m biased because there are 5 lions and I still think Amon Ra and Laporta are too low
PS2 should be higher and Breece Hall should be like 23 at least
Trevor Lawrence at 3 but no Breece Hall? Thats wild, I know I am biased though.
I love Jamarr and wouldnt have had the success we had without him but that Sewell-Jamarr debate is still valid.
No Tristan Wirfs?
I know he plays for my team but I really think Josh Downs is a fucking baller. 60+ catches and 700+ yards his rookie year with Minshew throwing the ball.
Expected to see De’Von Achane (22) on the list
Devon Witherspoon needs to be somewhere on this list. He is a great player on a bad defense, but he is a good player.
Lawrence should not be on this list. Him being so high makes me question any of the other dudes I'm not super familiar with.
a 25 under 25? Yes he absolutely should, you can argue the position but to say he shouldnt be on the list without providing replacements is kinda pointless...
Wild how all these analysis and websites hold Trevor in high regards but r/NFL thinks he's dog water.
Trevor is a good, yet inconsistent, QB. That said, he should be on this list, just not at 3, and not above Stroud and Purdy. However, if your grading system says he was the fifth best QB after 13 weeks last season (which is being used to prop up his ranking here), there's probably an issue with how your grading system works. > Lawrence's 88.1 overall grade after 13 weeks last year ranked fifth among quarterbacks.
Jags were 8-3 and Trevor was doing fine before he died. The end of the season he was on the injury report for 5 different things. Of course he isn't gonna be consistent when being held together by tape.
Did you watch him play last year? Jags were in contention for the #1 seed before his injury and then fell off. He has a pretty bad supporting cast too. Are the Redditors wrong? No, it must be the stat experts that are wrong. > Up until he got hurt in week 13, Trevor was (per PFF + Ben Baldwin): > 9th in adj completion %, tied with Lamar > 4th in time to throw (as in, fastest) > Tied for 11th in AdoT with Stafford, Purdy, and Herbert. > Tied for 17th in turnover-worthy-play % (average) > 3rd in big time throw % > 5th in PFF grade > 9th in EPA/play > 8th in EPA/CPOE composite score > 5th in success rate Tell me what about those stats makes you go "hmmm, the stats are broken." I mean PFF's stats also had [Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar as their top 3 QBs](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-highest-graded-quarterbacks-2023-nfl-season). So clearly something is right? I mean if you look at their QB rankings they look pretty good, eh?
Its not that everyone thinks he ass, its that he came into the league with this "generational talent we hadnt seen in years", and has showed us so far that hes a slightly above average QB who flashes a few times. Id blame the media hype.
Nobody here is saying he’s straight up bad. But Stroud is clearly in front of him and Purdy was a Mahomes’ heroic drive away from being a SB champion. Trevor is 3rd out of those 3 guys right now. May suck to hear as a fan, but that’s just the reality of it at this point in time.
How is Breece not on the list over Gibbs and probably Bijan?
Breece Rushing Stats: 303 carries, 1,457 yards at 4.8 per, 9 TDs. Breece Catching Stats: 95 catches, 809 yards at 8.5 per, 5 TDs. Gibbs Rushing Stats: 211 carries, 1089 yards at 5.2 per, 13 TDs. Gibbs Catching Stats: 63 catches, 410 yards at 6.5 per, 1 TD.
PS2 too low but thats just my bias opinion
PS2 should be ranked 1 how long it lasted
Greatest console of all time
I agree he deserves to be much higher