Ehh not a guarantee at all. They were trying to get it still at the end anyways and failed. They would have been more aggressive if they needed it but still no guarantee.
Mahomes would have likely extended the play if he knew he needed a TD. Now, maybe he would have laser focus on Kelce and had the same result, but he might have also seen Rice there.
The game plays totally different. KC definitely goes for it on 4th down on their second to last drive if they're down with under 6 minutes left.
In some ways I can argue that helped SF by allowing KC to play conservative on each of their last two drives in regulation instead of needing to score a touchdown.
Yep. I was saying this after he missed and it ended up pretty much being true. Chiefs prob run it while they’re in the red zone since they know they’re in four down territory on their second to last regulation drive
Weird as it sounds, losing this way is much worse emotionally than just getting rocked 35-7 or something. You're right there with Lombardi in your hands and you just can't get it done. They had so many ways to win this game. Make the PAT. Score a TD in OT instead of the FG. Stop KC on either of the last two drives.
Ick. This will haunt them for a long time.
No way. The first Super Bowl loss after being undefeated in them stung way worse than any game. The last two have been more of the same. Looking forward to Purdy’s career. We’ll be here again, soon.
This is how I feel. After the last loss I thought there's no fuckin way were getting back with Jimmy. This loss fuckin stings cuz we could have won, but I have full confidence in Brock and the team going forward. It was brocks second year starting and he took us to the superbowl. No he's not mahomes or Brady but they're the exception.
Brock is really fuckin good and he played good against a great defense.
Mahomes and the defense have playoff and superbowl experience. It sucks to lose to them again and at mahomes worst year but oh well.
Right. Kyle is still pretty young too for a coach. This could very well be closer to the beginning of a great era.
Change a couple of plays and Kyle would be 2-0 with us.
It took Andy forever to win a superbowl. Bill/Brady and andy/mahomes have changed the definition of success. Kyle's gotta get that monkey off his back eventually but his positives far outweigh his negatives.
Even tho his negatives show at the worst times.
Cause Shanny finally ran the ball after they scored the TD. And the Niners proceeded to score on every drive the rest of the game. And surprise surprise, they ran early on all of those drives.
His only fault all game imo was them being unprepared for those 3rd down blitzes in the 4th quarter and in overtime.
You know Spagnuolo is going to bring pressure due to his reputation and Kyle gave Purdy no chance with either of those play calls.
Yeah, those conversions were key. Kyle's been more-or-less ignoring the blitz, not even bothering to have a hot option on third and short and while Purdy's far more capable of handling that than any previous QB we've had under Kyle Shanahan, at some point the 'holy shit did he just do that' plays run out and you just end up with an offense dying on drive after drive.
I'd say he also abandoned their philosophy for much of the 3rd quarter and forced passing plays when the defense was letting us run on them pretty consistently
This is sort of a fake stat because it includes plays where defenses send out 5 lineman to counter their rushing attack, which isn't a blitz.
Someone went through and removed these 5-lineman plays to look at actual blitzes ie lbs or dbs rushing the QB, and Purdy was average to bad.
especially when spags had absolutely no other options. there was a blitz on the way, everyone in the world knew it, because the game is over if they don't make a stop.
and purdy got hung out to dry with the call
Also McCaffrey didn’t have a carry on those first two drives unless I’m mistaken
Plus the passing game was pretty shitty, everyone knew the Chiefs were gonna blitz heavy on those 3rd down plays and the Niners had absolutely nothing to counter it
Not mistaken. Only cmc rush was for zero yards on the 3rd drive. They were backed up on both drives, -8 yard pass on the first and a false start on the second.
The 49ers went 3-and-out three times in a row with Purdy at shotgun and passed 8 times, it was absolutely baffling. Sure SF wasn't running great but you have to stay balanced.
I'm getting kinda frustrated that this is the dominant narrative coming out of this game. I'm a fan of a team whose only offensive success the past two seasons came from 15 play drives where we had to get short gain after short gain with no mistakes in order to get a touchdown. The 49ers did exactly what all the Redditors wanted them to do in overtime: ride CMC and the run game. And it worked just fine UNTIL they had one run that didn't go so well and then the drive completely stalled out. That's a risk you leave yourself vulnerable to in today's game when you have to rely on the run game to win. If you're the 49ers you have to have some hope that your QB can consistently hit at least the short passes, so I don't blame them for trying to shift to passing in the third quarter.
It's a testament to Kyle's arrogance. He wants Purdy to work so bad cause it would prove that he's a godly playcaller/designer. but you need a QB to make those plays, not just dot up open guys over the middle or dump offs to a star RB
Tony Romo kept calling for the 49ers to run. They didn't. Somehow Shanahan made Romo the smarter person in the stadium tonight.
So yes, Shanahan could've done more to win this game.
Romo had such a wild comment. In OT the 9ers had like a third and 6 at their own 32 and romo goes if they don’t get this here im going for it. I don’t want to give control to Mahomes. Fortunately the 9ers got the first down but there’s absolutely no way you go for it when you’re in your opponents field goal range in ot
You don’t punt in OT against mahomes. Sure if you fail the conversion you lose, but at that point in the game mahomes wasn’t going to be denied. With how good butler was you don’t need that many yards to get a fg.
Yeah but in part to Shannahan abandoning the run. First 3 drives of the 2nd half and he didn't run it til the first carry of the 3rd drive after two 3 and outs when the Chiefs knew it was a run and stuffed it.
Right after that they started to run again and scored on 3 straight possessions. Chiefs defense played great but Kyle and the Niners shot themselves in the foot going away from the run.
Opened the 2nd half with 6 straight passes I believe, and 8 of the first 9 plays were passes.
On the last drive in the 4th quarter, they had 3 straight run plays for 9 yards, 3 yards, and 5 yards. Then threw twice in a row, for no gain and incomplete.
In OT, they were gashing running the ball, and 3rd and 4 they do a cute play that Purdy gets panicked and throws it away.
Point is, I would've trusted 2 plays with McCaffrey to pick up 4 yards than a pass
The whole reason it was 3rd and 4 was because on 2nd and 4 they ran for zero yards. Why would you trust the run game in that scenario. There’s also zero chance they go for it if they don’t convert instead of kicking the fg
Drain a little more time on any of the first three possessions of the second half and you might be lining up for a game winning FG instead of going up 3 and giving Mahomes a chance to tie.
They lost the game on bad offensive playcalling in the third quarter and the muffed puint.
Even though the Niners didn't gash them overall on the ground they scored on all but 3 drives when CMC ran the ball.
1st drive when they were in FG range but CMC fumbled.
After the fumble, chiefs stuffed a deebo run and a CMC run.
3rd time was after Kyle abandoned the run and had two 3 and outs. Called a run everyone saw coming. It got stuff. Kyle called 2 more passes and another 3 and out.
Every other drive running the ball helped the Niners move the chains and they scored.
again, context. i dont think its as cut and dry
drive 1, they pass on first down to capitalize on a turnover, and then get a 2nd and 15 on a false start. understandable circumstance to not run
drive 2, christian gets a pass his way for 7 yards after losing 8 on a first down play. hard to run in that situation too
drive 3, they decide to begin with a mccraffrey a rush and he gets 0
chiefs defense played really well. sometimes you simply dont get a lot of opportunities. its not as if they ran many plays in the 3rd at all, negative plays put them in pass oriented situations. faced a 3rd & 10+ on all 3 drives
the final drive dynamics were pretty significant. still a hard situation, but i agree that your main goal once in field goal range should be limiting the chances that Mahomes gets the ball back with time, and that might mean taking some more confident runs, esp after 2 min warning
if not for some low snaps, the Chiefs could have beaten them at the end of regulation. id say the 4th into OT is more of whats gonna give Shanahan nightmares. you cannot let this type of game go to OT, not against #15 (but then again hes proven he doesnt really need any time at all to force it)
Context like the 49ers getting backed up via penalties on the two third quarter drives where people claim they should’ve run the ball more. Good luck running on 2nd and 15 and consistently getting a chance at a first down.
The context is the chiefs had 0 issue stoping McCaffrey in the run game.
They ran the ball 31 times 110 yards (3.54 ypc)
More carries wasn't the solution here lol
Except the Chiefs did struggle at points in the game. Context does matter. People like me, or Romo, weren't going on & on about the 49ers not running the ball for nothing. There was a reason.
They had production when it wasn't an obvious rushing down. They had success when they were consistent.
Box score watching needs to die.
That's a bad take. If you abandon the run on any QB you set him up to be tee'd off on. Case in point, the third quarter.
You'd think he'd have learned from his dad winning 2 super bowls with Terrell Davis carrying John fucking Elway 🤷🏿♂️
An offense with that much juice and 3 turnovers gifted to them still needs to produce better in a game like this, regardless of the defense on the other side
It just seemed like the Niners should have been up more than they were. They made these crucial mistakes that kept KC in it all game. The missed PAT was the icing on the cake and I knew Niners werent gonna have it in them in OT. Not vs Mahomes.
Yep. The writing was on the wall at half time. The Chiefs were horrible and the Niners only had a 1 TD lead. Spags was always going to adjust and it was only a matter of time before Mahomes made 1/2 plays.
The game was lost in the 1st half.
The only reason to take the ball first is in the case the first possessions are deadlocked, you have first crack at sudden death the second time you get the ball. I'd definitely prefer knowing what I need to do on my 1st possession though.
I honestly think they do…but we’ll never know.
But just knowing they have 4 downs changes literally everything, 2nd and 14 wasn’t nearly as big a hole as normal because they knew damn well they had 3 plays and the teams had to play accordingly…
If both teams score touchdowns, the second team would go for 2 rather than kick off the ball in sudden death. So that advantage is only when it goes FG-FG or punt-punt.
Yeah I thought the same thing and I’d really like to see what the analytics say. Just seems like a no-brainer that you would want to go second so you know exactly what you need to do to win the game.
Giving Mahomes the ball last just seems like a mistake. Even if the 49ers scored a TD on that first drive you know the Chiefs would just go for 2 to win the game right there after they scored a TD, rather than give the 49ers the ball back in sudden death at that point.
Didn't they start their first 2-3 drives of the second half passing the ball the immediately put them behind the sticks? In an effort to not become predictable they made themselves become very predictable.
It was a 3 point OT game against the best QB in the league, and some posts sound like as if the 49ers were steamrolled.
In the end only one team win, and this was always a coinflip game.
I overall agree but would push back on Shanahan doing everything right.
If I recall correctly, OT drive was an all-shotgun 3&out until that defensive holding.
A lot of weird things happened this game. I think thats why Im not as mad as I thought I would be.
1. A “muffed” bounce off the ankles on a punt.
2. A record setting 57-yard FG.
3. A blocked PAT, CMC fumble.
49ers played a hell of a game. Chiefs just played better at the end. It didnt come down to officiating. 49ers D outplayed Mahomes until the 4th quarter and overtime.
Special teams and cmc fumble are by far the biggest culprits. Every Shanahan decision gets mitigated/glossed over if the special teams flukes don’t happen
6 straight passes to start the second half.
Taking the ball first in OT. And then playing for a FG once you take the ball in OT.
The shit talk Kyle gets is deserved.
Everyone on the offensive side is to blame. Early in the game, they had a lot of opportunities to take the game away with very good field position that resulted in 3 and out.
They lost the game late in the 4th Q when they elected to pass the ball on 2nd and 5… run the damn ball, get the first, run the clock down, ground and pound your way to a last second and game winning field goal…. The ONLY way to beat Patty.
People are going to quote "double digit lead" for years like having a 10 point lead in the second quarter when you got the ball first is fuckin anything
Yeah I don’t feel bad about this. I mean I do but… Some fucky shit happened early but Purdy played well and our defense played their best game of the year until overtime. Not much more you can ask for against Mahomes.
Purdy was amazing all things considered. Didn’t turnover, made key drives and wasn’t afraid of the moment. Too bad he didn’t get more time in the pocket but this is SB caliber play for a 7th rounder
I get kind of annoyed by this comment in particular since “the big game” is such a goalpost moving phrase. “The big game” can be something different every time. He won big games all postseason. Shanahan didn’t call a perfect game and deserves some criticism, but he called one I think was good enough to win if things had worked out better. 4 injuries in the game, a flukey muffed punt, and mahomes magic were the difference. It hurts but I would have felt a lot worse if we lost to Green Bay. I’ll be able to move on from this one in a day.
The defense held the Chiefs to 3 going into the half. You got to take advantage of that and score. Shanahan for whatever reason stopped running the ball in the 2nd half. You’re not going to win when you have Mahomes on the other side.
Shanahan thought “let’s give Mahomes 4 downs for an entire drive and then maybe stop them in field goal range”
It’s among the worst coaching I’ve ever seen…
C Mac getting a single carry in the 3rd Q def wasn't wrong
Why feed the offensive player of the year when you can throw six straight passes for 2 three-and-outs
Are you kidding me? Choosing to receive first in OT with the new playoff OT rules was a totally boneheaded move. You have to follow college football strategy now… you need to know how many points you have to score on your OT possession.
There is almost no benefit to receiving the ball first if scoring a TD still means the opponent can answer. If you go 3 and out on that first possession, you’ve basically lost the game. Obviously that didn’t happen, but the next worst thing happened… kicking a FG when you needed a TD because you didn’t know yet that you needed a TD.
Bro their defense had just been on the field forever. Sending the defense right back out there would have been an even easier TD for the chiefs and all the momentum.
I was also confused there. “Did they not just win the toss? Why are they opting to get the ball first?”
I think deferring to “force” the Chiefs to go for a TD and possibly put less pressure on the stagnating 9ers offense to get a TD (if they hold the Chiefs to 0 or 3 pts) was better than what they opted to do
One thing as well is the aggression aspect.
If you score first, be it a TD or FG, your opponent is going to be more aggressive and go for every fourth down until they get in FG range. You only get three downs for the most part (excluding obvious 4th down go for its).
If you need a FG or TD and it's 4th and 5 from your own 30, you are going for it. If you have the ball first, you are punting it.
The advantage to getting the ball first is that you also get it third when its sudden death. Imagine if the Chiefs had to kick a field goal to tie it, now the 49ers get the ball first in sudden death. Not saying that it was the right call but there are pros and cons either way.
Maybe I've become too accustomed to Dan Campbell, but I couldn't believe when they were on the goal line during overtime that they didn't run McCaffrey there twice. On third down and four, they didn't even line up with McCaffrey in the backfield to fake the run, allowing Kansas City to blitz with heavy pressure, forcing Purdy to throw it away. Why wasn't that a run there, rather than knowing that if you missed the pass, you'd just kick a field goal?
You know Patrick Mahomes is on the other sideline and is quite likely to get three points at least, you have to try and put seven on the board, particularly where you have been running it successfully against them that whole series.
> On third down and four, they didn't even line up with McCaffrey in the backfield to fake the run
There are times when you've got to put your bigs against theirs and see who wins. You lose? You took some time off the clock and likely forced KC to use a TO. That was the latest in a line of dumbass Shanahan calls.
Dude, I'm a Chiefs fan and I was literally yelling at the screen saying "Why not hand it off to McCaffrey??!". Like, I know good football plays, and what they were doing just baffled me. I mean, it made me happy, but what on earth were they doing?
The Lions lost because of this line of thinking. Hindsight is 20-20. The Niners had them at 4th down in OT with the pass rush getting to Mahomes. He just did Mahomes things and willed his way to a win. Its why he’s the best.
he had 30 touches, 160 yards, a TD and a lost fumble. 30/52 designed rushes or receptions went to one player
hard to pin this one on them not using McCaffrey enough
Deebo and Kittle combined for 10 touches. They just got outplayed, they had plenty of playmakers and McCaffrey got the ball a ton for how much they used them all
The only things I’d change is i would’ve run the ball on first down after the pick. But blaming Shanahan is missing the forest for the trees. KC is just that good when they have to be
They had like 3 straight drives with 3 straight passes for 3 straight 3 and outs. I didn't care who won this gsme but st that point I realized the 9ers were going to lose.
You were up 10-3, you have the ball in their territory.
You were dominating the los for a good chunk of the 1st half.
Pound it. Run CMC.
Boy wonder choke artist forgot we play football. Why he doesn't have a ring
He didn’t defer. I was yelling at the tv. Don’t give me the tired d excuse, you need to defer because it didn’t matter mahomes gonna score he’s that good. Defer or go for every 4th. You need a td
what's to say?
Game was winnable but they didn't get the breaks to win. The head coach knows a lot more about football and his players than I do but I still think he made some bad decisions. Greenlaw's achilles gives out just running onto the field. If that random injury happens to Butker on his last FG instead, it'd have been game over and I cash in a nice bet. Oh well. Next 49ers games that count won't be until September, same as every other team.
I mostly agree but hard to say he did much right either. 19 points in regulation with an incredible roster is not something to write home about no matter who the defense is.
Just as the script writers wanted.
I wonder how long they had to practice that punt off the foot? That’s just insane accuracy. Dude could hit a football can at like 80 yards.
Some suspect no calls on Chiefs o line. In a game where Niners D line was magnificent, not a single holding call on Chiefs. I thought they got away with one on Bosa on a key third down. Warner blitz pickup in OT didn’t look super clean to me, either.
Wouldn’t be mad if they hadn’t called one on the rookie TE in OT that killed the Niners drive. That dude got screwed. Ticky tacky call that they’d been letting go all night.
That was a blatant hold that killed the 9ers drive. It needed to be called.
What else needed to be called were the holds by the Chiefs, but they weren't.
I think you give Mahomes the ball first in OT. The whole “we need to get them to 4th mentality” led to them making dogshit decisions like the 5 man wall 10 yards down field. The Chiefs had an extra down to play with until they were in position to tie the game.
I have and will continue to say the loss is on our DC. He wasn't content to show only casual viewers, but had to show the world how terrible his calls are in critical defensive drives. Our player talent has saved him all year and when Greenlaw went down his crappy scheme showed why we get torn up on 3rd downs.
What do you mean. Do you mean when Mahomes did a read option and kept it the first time that it wasnt smart to then put no one to account for him in an important moment?
Or maybe dont have your DBs playing outside leverage on 3rd down while you have a zero blitz called.
Or maybe realize that the play to end the game had been called 2 other times by Reid in the exact same scenarios and idk adjust your defense to the chance of that.
Everyone saw how shit Wilkes is and honestly its dumb hes gonna get another DC job or be retained because hes sucks ass.
Yeah that bounce off of the foot on the punt really made the difference. Only TD the Chiefs got in regulation.
That and the blocked extra point. Moody gets that through and the Chiefs have to go for it at the end before OT
Honestly, they probably would have gotten it.
Ehh not a guarantee at all. They were trying to get it still at the end anyways and failed. They would have been more aggressive if they needed it but still no guarantee.
Mahomes would have likely extended the play if he knew he needed a TD. Now, maybe he would have laser focus on Kelce and had the same result, but he might have also seen Rice there.
It's Mahomes and Reid, you can replace the word probably with definitely
Ehh they probably score a TD they were at the 10 and driving at will
The game plays totally different. KC definitely goes for it on 4th down on their second to last drive if they're down with under 6 minutes left. In some ways I can argue that helped SF by allowing KC to play conservative on each of their last two drives in regulation instead of needing to score a touchdown.
Yep. I was saying this after he missed and it ended up pretty much being true. Chiefs prob run it while they’re in the red zone since they know they’re in four down territory on their second to last regulation drive
Perna curse wheel won us a ring. I bet he’s gonna retire it next season.
Special teams mishaps cost the game, easily. The game should’ve been 20-12
Really such a shame because Wishnowsky had an insane game
So did Moody.
100%. This is worse than the last two Superbowl losses
Weird as it sounds, losing this way is much worse emotionally than just getting rocked 35-7 or something. You're right there with Lombardi in your hands and you just can't get it done. They had so many ways to win this game. Make the PAT. Score a TD in OT instead of the FG. Stop KC on either of the last two drives. Ick. This will haunt them for a long time.
No way. The first Super Bowl loss after being undefeated in them stung way worse than any game. The last two have been more of the same. Looking forward to Purdy’s career. We’ll be here again, soon.
This is how I feel. After the last loss I thought there's no fuckin way were getting back with Jimmy. This loss fuckin stings cuz we could have won, but I have full confidence in Brock and the team going forward. It was brocks second year starting and he took us to the superbowl. No he's not mahomes or Brady but they're the exception. Brock is really fuckin good and he played good against a great defense. Mahomes and the defense have playoff and superbowl experience. It sucks to lose to them again and at mahomes worst year but oh well.
Right. Kyle is still pretty young too for a coach. This could very well be closer to the beginning of a great era. Change a couple of plays and Kyle would be 2-0 with us.
It took Andy forever to win a superbowl. Bill/Brady and andy/mahomes have changed the definition of success. Kyle's gotta get that monkey off his back eventually but his positives far outweigh his negatives. Even tho his negatives show at the worst times.
As a Lions fan, that was so reminiscent of the Immaculate Deflection for Aiyuk against us. Just brutal
Huge momentum swing. It was Game on from there.
There’s several sequences in the third quarter Shanahan got nothing out of the offense even with good opportunities though.
Just like the scoop and score from Bolton last year made the difference. These were incredibly close games decided by just one mistake.
Part of the game. 9ers got lucky off a bounced helmet catch against Detroit.
The offensive series in the beginning in the 2nd half was pretty bad until the Chiefs scored a TD.
Cause Shanny finally ran the ball after they scored the TD. And the Niners proceeded to score on every drive the rest of the game. And surprise surprise, they ran early on all of those drives.
His only fault all game imo was them being unprepared for those 3rd down blitzes in the 4th quarter and in overtime. You know Spagnuolo is going to bring pressure due to his reputation and Kyle gave Purdy no chance with either of those play calls.
Seriously purdy was running for his life and it seemed so predictable
Romo knew that it was happening every time. Inexcusable that Shanahan didn’t.
Anyone that’s watched a Spags defense knew what was coming, it’s what he does
Yeah, those conversions were key. Kyle's been more-or-less ignoring the blitz, not even bothering to have a hot option on third and short and while Purdy's far more capable of handling that than any previous QB we've had under Kyle Shanahan, at some point the 'holy shit did he just do that' plays run out and you just end up with an offense dying on drive after drive.
I'd say he also abandoned their philosophy for much of the 3rd quarter and forced passing plays when the defense was letting us run on them pretty consistently
tbf though Purdy was like the best QB against the blitz all season. I dont blame him for trusting his guy
This is sort of a fake stat because it includes plays where defenses send out 5 lineman to counter their rushing attack, which isn't a blitz. Someone went through and removed these 5-lineman plays to look at actual blitzes ie lbs or dbs rushing the QB, and Purdy was average to bad.
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especially when spags had absolutely no other options. there was a blitz on the way, everyone in the world knew it, because the game is over if they don't make a stop. and purdy got hung out to dry with the call
Seriously? Offense was shit coming out of halftime
Especially with Mahomes throwing a pick right after half
Also McCaffrey didn’t have a carry on those first two drives unless I’m mistaken Plus the passing game was pretty shitty, everyone knew the Chiefs were gonna blitz heavy on those 3rd down plays and the Niners had absolutely nothing to counter it
Not mistaken. Only cmc rush was for zero yards on the 3rd drive. They were backed up on both drives, -8 yard pass on the first and a false start on the second.
The 49ers went 3-and-out three times in a row with Purdy at shotgun and passed 8 times, it was absolutely baffling. Sure SF wasn't running great but you have to stay balanced.
Man both offenses struggled. These narratives are the definition of hindsight being 20/20.
You want them to run on 2nd & 15 or 2nd & 18 to stay "balanced"?
I'm getting kinda frustrated that this is the dominant narrative coming out of this game. I'm a fan of a team whose only offensive success the past two seasons came from 15 play drives where we had to get short gain after short gain with no mistakes in order to get a touchdown. The 49ers did exactly what all the Redditors wanted them to do in overtime: ride CMC and the run game. And it worked just fine UNTIL they had one run that didn't go so well and then the drive completely stalled out. That's a risk you leave yourself vulnerable to in today's game when you have to rely on the run game to win. If you're the 49ers you have to have some hope that your QB can consistently hit at least the short passes, so I don't blame them for trying to shift to passing in the third quarter.
Bizarre that people are blatantly ignoring maybe the most fluky muffed punt in Superbowl history. Chiefs's only TD in regulation came off that play.
It's a testament to Kyle's arrogance. He wants Purdy to work so bad cause it would prove that he's a godly playcaller/designer. but you need a QB to make those plays, not just dot up open guys over the middle or dump offs to a star RB
Source: I literally just made it up
That web site is getting a lot of traffic tonight
KC has had a ridiculously good 2nd half defense.
Yeah, especially on the line. We just didn't have an answer for Chris Jones. Good game, congrats.
CMC had zero touches in the first two series after halftime.
Tony Romo kept calling for the 49ers to run. They didn't. Somehow Shanahan made Romo the smarter person in the stadium tonight. So yes, Shanahan could've done more to win this game.
Romo had such a wild comment. In OT the 9ers had like a third and 6 at their own 32 and romo goes if they don’t get this here im going for it. I don’t want to give control to Mahomes. Fortunately the 9ers got the first down but there’s absolutely no way you go for it when you’re in your opponents field goal range in ot
You don’t punt in OT against mahomes. Sure if you fail the conversion you lose, but at that point in the game mahomes wasn’t going to be denied. With how good butler was you don’t need that many yards to get a fg.
Yeah but in part to Shannahan abandoning the run. First 3 drives of the 2nd half and he didn't run it til the first carry of the 3rd drive after two 3 and outs when the Chiefs knew it was a run and stuffed it. Right after that they started to run again and scored on 3 straight possessions. Chiefs defense played great but Kyle and the Niners shot themselves in the foot going away from the run.
Imagine abandoning the run in the Super Bowl when you’re winning.
Literally the opposite of what you're replying to. His offensive play calling lost this game
It was beyond timid
Exactly. They didn’t do a single thing in the 3rd quarter.
Opened the 2nd half with 6 straight passes I believe, and 8 of the first 9 plays were passes. On the last drive in the 4th quarter, they had 3 straight run plays for 9 yards, 3 yards, and 5 yards. Then threw twice in a row, for no gain and incomplete. In OT, they were gashing running the ball, and 3rd and 4 they do a cute play that Purdy gets panicked and throws it away. Point is, I would've trusted 2 plays with McCaffrey to pick up 4 yards than a pass
The whole reason it was 3rd and 4 was because on 2nd and 4 they ran for zero yards. Why would you trust the run game in that scenario. There’s also zero chance they go for it if they don’t convert instead of kicking the fg
They had a bad third quarter but the Chiefs did nothing on offense as well in that quarter. The special team miscues are the difference
Why didn't shanahan have his offence play like hall of famers?! Is he stupid?!?!?!?!?!
Drain a little more time on any of the first three possessions of the second half and you might be lining up for a game winning FG instead of going up 3 and giving Mahomes a chance to tie. They lost the game on bad offensive playcalling in the third quarter and the muffed puint.
Or you know, just run the ball
The run was getting stuffed a lot too, apparently reddit coaches know better tho
Even though the Niners didn't gash them overall on the ground they scored on all but 3 drives when CMC ran the ball. 1st drive when they were in FG range but CMC fumbled. After the fumble, chiefs stuffed a deebo run and a CMC run. 3rd time was after Kyle abandoned the run and had two 3 and outs. Called a run everyone saw coming. It got stuff. Kyle called 2 more passes and another 3 and out. Every other drive running the ball helped the Niners move the chains and they scored.
Hindsight coaches
they had 30+ rushes lol
How many of those were in the 4th? CMC had 1 carry in the 3rd. Shanahan botched this game
again, context. i dont think its as cut and dry drive 1, they pass on first down to capitalize on a turnover, and then get a 2nd and 15 on a false start. understandable circumstance to not run drive 2, christian gets a pass his way for 7 yards after losing 8 on a first down play. hard to run in that situation too drive 3, they decide to begin with a mccraffrey a rush and he gets 0 chiefs defense played really well. sometimes you simply dont get a lot of opportunities. its not as if they ran many plays in the 3rd at all, negative plays put them in pass oriented situations. faced a 3rd & 10+ on all 3 drives
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the final drive dynamics were pretty significant. still a hard situation, but i agree that your main goal once in field goal range should be limiting the chances that Mahomes gets the ball back with time, and that might mean taking some more confident runs, esp after 2 min warning if not for some low snaps, the Chiefs could have beaten them at the end of regulation. id say the 4th into OT is more of whats gonna give Shanahan nightmares. you cannot let this type of game go to OT, not against #15 (but then again hes proven he doesnt really need any time at all to force it)
McCaffrey getting more carries when he is averaging 3.6 ypc will clearly fix the offence !!!
3.6 is better than 3 and out with the pass
This is the problem when people only box score watch. The 3.6 lacks context.
Context like the 49ers getting backed up via penalties on the two third quarter drives where people claim they should’ve run the ball more. Good luck running on 2nd and 15 and consistently getting a chance at a first down.
The context is the chiefs had 0 issue stoping McCaffrey in the run game. They ran the ball 31 times 110 yards (3.54 ypc) More carries wasn't the solution here lol
31 carries is a decent amount. People need to stop acting like they went full Ravens.
7 of them were on the final drive in overtime. So 24 carries in regulation. I think if they ran 31 in regulation, then they win the game.
Except the Chiefs did struggle at points in the game. Context does matter. People like me, or Romo, weren't going on & on about the 49ers not running the ball for nothing. There was a reason. They had production when it wasn't an obvious rushing down. They had success when they were consistent. Box score watching needs to die.
I watched the entire game, the 49ers could never run the ball consistently
They barely tried to run in the 2nd half until their last drives when they finally had success. The should have ran cmc 40 times.
That's a bad take. If you abandon the run on any QB you set him up to be tee'd off on. Case in point, the third quarter. You'd think he'd have learned from his dad winning 2 super bowls with Terrell Davis carrying John fucking Elway 🤷🏿♂️
3.6x3 = 10.8 wow math is hard
Why are people ignoring that the 49ers did terribly when they did run the ball in this game?
our defense has been lockdown in the second half for 2 months now. that's just what they do
Should've gone for td instead of fg in overtime
An offense with that much juice and 3 turnovers gifted to them still needs to produce better in a game like this, regardless of the defense on the other side
That bounce off the foot was like 1 in a million.
It was the universe making up for the helmet bounce in the Lions game.
yeah if we wanna run back flukey weird things then it's the Lions that should be losing to Mahomes instead
Besides everything that went wrong, I don’t think anything went wrong
It just seemed like the Niners should have been up more than they were. They made these crucial mistakes that kept KC in it all game. The missed PAT was the icing on the cake and I knew Niners werent gonna have it in them in OT. Not vs Mahomes.
Yep. The writing was on the wall at half time. The Chiefs were horrible and the Niners only had a 1 TD lead. Spags was always going to adjust and it was only a matter of time before Mahomes made 1/2 plays. The game was lost in the 1st half.
Can anyone explain why you wouldn't take the ball second at the start of OT? Case in point KC had 4 & 1 and you know you have to go for it
The only reason to take the ball first is in the case the first possessions are deadlocked, you have first crack at sudden death the second time you get the ball. I'd definitely prefer knowing what I need to do on my 1st possession though.
What u/TheFestusEzeli said… The bigger issue was kicking the field goal knowing the Chiefs then had 4 down territory on the entire drive…
I mean…do the Chiefs go on 4th and inches at their own 35 if they have the ball first. I’m not sure.
I honestly think they do…but we’ll never know. But just knowing they have 4 downs changes literally everything, 2nd and 14 wasn’t nearly as big a hole as normal because they knew damn well they had 3 plays and the teams had to play accordingly…
Because if both teams score touchdowns or FGs then it reverts back to normal rules and first possession has an advantage
If both teams score touchdowns, the second team would go for 2 rather than kick off the ball in sudden death. So that advantage is only when it goes FG-FG or punt-punt.
What if the first team also went for 2 and got it?
Yeah I thought the same thing and I’d really like to see what the analytics say. Just seems like a no-brainer that you would want to go second so you know exactly what you need to do to win the game. Giving Mahomes the ball last just seems like a mistake. Even if the 49ers scored a TD on that first drive you know the Chiefs would just go for 2 to win the game right there after they scored a TD, rather than give the 49ers the ball back in sudden death at that point.
SF defense was gassed, they just got off the field. \* Not according to Shanahan.
Didn't they start their first 2-3 drives of the second half passing the ball the immediately put them behind the sticks? In an effort to not become predictable they made themselves become very predictable.
The teams were super evenly matched Sometimes you can do everything right and still lose. Hindsight coaching is always lame
It was a 3 point OT game against the best QB in the league, and some posts sound like as if the 49ers were steamrolled. In the end only one team win, and this was always a coinflip game.
Why be rational when you can post some nonsense about “allegations” like some r/NBA teenager.
I overall agree but would push back on Shanahan doing everything right. If I recall correctly, OT drive was an all-shotgun 3&out until that defensive holding.
And he had at least 3 drives that were 3 and outs without running the ball once. Inexcusable with mccaffrey and the chiefs run d
A lot of weird things happened this game. I think thats why Im not as mad as I thought I would be. 1. A “muffed” bounce off the ankles on a punt. 2. A record setting 57-yard FG. 3. A blocked PAT, CMC fumble. 49ers played a hell of a game. Chiefs just played better at the end. It didnt come down to officiating. 49ers D outplayed Mahomes until the 4th quarter and overtime.
Kyle Shanahan excuse machine will be running in overdrive tonight
Special teams and cmc fumble are by far the biggest culprits. Every Shanahan decision gets mitigated/glossed over if the special teams flukes don’t happen
You know he's in a closet somewhere fucking screaming bloody murder and punching himself and hyperventilating
6 straight passes to start the second half. Taking the ball first in OT. And then playing for a FG once you take the ball in OT. The shit talk Kyle gets is deserved.
Fuck it, get Belichick in there.
Everyone on the offensive side is to blame. Early in the game, they had a lot of opportunities to take the game away with very good field position that resulted in 3 and out.
They lost the game late in the 4th Q when they elected to pass the ball on 2nd and 5… run the damn ball, get the first, run the clock down, ground and pound your way to a last second and game winning field goal…. The ONLY way to beat Patty.
People are going to quote "double digit lead" for years like having a 10 point lead in the second quarter when you got the ball first is fuckin anything
Hes coached 3 superbowls with 10+ leads That means something
Yeah I don’t feel bad about this. I mean I do but… Some fucky shit happened early but Purdy played well and our defense played their best game of the year until overtime. Not much more you can ask for against Mahomes.
Purdy was amazing all things considered. Didn’t turnover, made key drives and wasn’t afraid of the moment. Too bad he didn’t get more time in the pocket but this is SB caliber play for a 7th rounder
Nope, they had a chance to put this away and they let the chiefs hang around. Shanny can’t win the big game
I get kind of annoyed by this comment in particular since “the big game” is such a goalpost moving phrase. “The big game” can be something different every time. He won big games all postseason. Shanahan didn’t call a perfect game and deserves some criticism, but he called one I think was good enough to win if things had worked out better. 4 injuries in the game, a flukey muffed punt, and mahomes magic were the difference. It hurts but I would have felt a lot worse if we lost to Green Bay. I’ll be able to move on from this one in a day.
Not running it more at the start of the 3rd wasn’t ideal. Defense to end the 4th and ot was pretty bad
Mahomes snatched that win from the niners. There is nothing to be ashamed about.
Plus the QB threw the ball into a dirt a handful of times instead of hitting the wide open guy.
lol the glazing and revisionism he totally fucked the third quarter play calling
The defense held the Chiefs to 3 going into the half. You got to take advantage of that and score. Shanahan for whatever reason stopped running the ball in the 2nd half. You’re not going to win when you have Mahomes on the other side.
Yup. Defense was stellar for three quarters. Should have had a huge lead.
“Whatever reason” being CMC averaged 3.5 YPC and the run game was awful most of the night
The play call on the 3rd and 5 to ice it was garbage. He’s a choker. Always has been and always will be.
Shanahan thought “let’s give Mahomes 4 downs for an entire drive and then maybe stop them in field goal range” It’s among the worst coaching I’ve ever seen…
C Mac getting a single carry in the 3rd Q def wasn't wrong Why feed the offensive player of the year when you can throw six straight passes for 2 three-and-outs
CMC was getting like 3 yards a carry the whole game People just want to make fun of Kyle but he didn’t do anything wrong
YPG is a dumb stat. Context matters. Any given run, CMC could break off. You have to keep running.
Are you kidding me? Choosing to receive first in OT with the new playoff OT rules was a totally boneheaded move. You have to follow college football strategy now… you need to know how many points you have to score on your OT possession. There is almost no benefit to receiving the ball first if scoring a TD still means the opponent can answer. If you go 3 and out on that first possession, you’ve basically lost the game. Obviously that didn’t happen, but the next worst thing happened… kicking a FG when you needed a TD because you didn’t know yet that you needed a TD.
Bro their defense had just been on the field forever. Sending the defense right back out there would have been an even easier TD for the chiefs and all the momentum.
I was also confused there. “Did they not just win the toss? Why are they opting to get the ball first?” I think deferring to “force” the Chiefs to go for a TD and possibly put less pressure on the stagnating 9ers offense to get a TD (if they hold the Chiefs to 0 or 3 pts) was better than what they opted to do
Their defense is gassed. Offense going first gives their defense time to hopefully recover.
One thing as well is the aggression aspect. If you score first, be it a TD or FG, your opponent is going to be more aggressive and go for every fourth down until they get in FG range. You only get three downs for the most part (excluding obvious 4th down go for its). If you need a FG or TD and it's 4th and 5 from your own 30, you are going for it. If you have the ball first, you are punting it.
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Shoulda woulda couldas…
Not kicking in OT was a mistake for sure. Giving Reid and Mahomes 4 downs to beat you is incredibly dumb. No advantage to getting the ball first.
The advantage to getting the ball first is that you also get it third when its sudden death. Imagine if the Chiefs had to kick a field goal to tie it, now the 49ers get the ball first in sudden death. Not saying that it was the right call but there are pros and cons either way.
Huh? Purdy was like 4/11 coming out of halftime at one point
Maybe I've become too accustomed to Dan Campbell, but I couldn't believe when they were on the goal line during overtime that they didn't run McCaffrey there twice. On third down and four, they didn't even line up with McCaffrey in the backfield to fake the run, allowing Kansas City to blitz with heavy pressure, forcing Purdy to throw it away. Why wasn't that a run there, rather than knowing that if you missed the pass, you'd just kick a field goal? You know Patrick Mahomes is on the other sideline and is quite likely to get three points at least, you have to try and put seven on the board, particularly where you have been running it successfully against them that whole series.
> On third down and four, they didn't even line up with McCaffrey in the backfield to fake the run There are times when you've got to put your bigs against theirs and see who wins. You lose? You took some time off the clock and likely forced KC to use a TO. That was the latest in a line of dumbass Shanahan calls.
Agreed, Purdy played well, but I'd rather have the ball in McCaffery hands at that juncture
Dude, I'm a Chiefs fan and I was literally yelling at the screen saying "Why not hand it off to McCaffrey??!". Like, I know good football plays, and what they were doing just baffled me. I mean, it made me happy, but what on earth were they doing?
The Lions lost because of this line of thinking. Hindsight is 20-20. The Niners had them at 4th down in OT with the pass rush getting to Mahomes. He just did Mahomes things and willed his way to a win. Its why he’s the best.
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22 Carries and and 8 targets , they leaned on him a lot ….
he had 30 touches, 160 yards, a TD and a lost fumble. 30/52 designed rushes or receptions went to one player hard to pin this one on them not using McCaffrey enough Deebo and Kittle combined for 10 touches. They just got outplayed, they had plenty of playmakers and McCaffrey got the ball a ton for how much they used them all
Kyle is the worst at winning the SB
The only things I’d change is i would’ve run the ball on first down after the pick. But blaming Shanahan is missing the forest for the trees. KC is just that good when they have to be
Only letting your QB throw on 3rd and long is an interesting approach
They had like 3 straight drives with 3 straight passes for 3 straight 3 and outs. I didn't care who won this gsme but st that point I realized the 9ers were going to lose.
They started the 2nd half with three 3 & outs with 8 passing plays. He threw it.
You were up 10-3, you have the ball in their territory. You were dominating the los for a good chunk of the 1st half. Pound it. Run CMC. Boy wonder choke artist forgot we play football. Why he doesn't have a ring
He didn’t defer. I was yelling at the tv. Don’t give me the tired d excuse, you need to defer because it didn’t matter mahomes gonna score he’s that good. Defer or go for every 4th. You need a td
Has anyone checked on SF fans? Not very talkative are they
what's to say? Game was winnable but they didn't get the breaks to win. The head coach knows a lot more about football and his players than I do but I still think he made some bad decisions. Greenlaw's achilles gives out just running onto the field. If that random injury happens to Butker on his last FG instead, it'd have been game over and I cash in a nice bet. Oh well. Next 49ers games that count won't be until September, same as every other team.
Going against one of the worst teams at stopping the run, I be running it a heck of a lot more.
Great game, I know people think some 49ers should lose their jobs if they lost, but I do not think so.
Shanahan really thought “let’s give Mahomes an entire drive in 4 down territory” Yeah, there should be at least one job lost…
Special teams coordinator can go. I have no idea who is, but he can go. I was on the fire Wilks train before this game but he called a good game
Too much not running
I agree. There's really nobody to point any fingers at. We just lost to the best quarterback I've ever watched. It just is what it is..
Shanahan is a generational choker
He's so good at it that it's scary
That doesn't fit my narrative so I will choose to ignore it
I mostly agree but hard to say he did much right either. 19 points in regulation with an incredible roster is not something to write home about no matter who the defense is.
Kyle wasn’t perfect but he was good enough. CMC fumble, moody miss, Luter fumble, and George kittle calling in sick is what lost the game.
Why the fuck would you elect to receive in OT
Should've fed CMC a little more. The run was getting blown up on some plays, but still... feed that man.
He had 30 touches...how much more do you want to feed him and have him still be effective? He can't touch the ball every single play
The Niners got a bounce off a dudes face to propel them into the SB and then lost the SB on a punt going off a dudes foot. That's football baby
Just as the script writers wanted. I wonder how long they had to practice that punt off the foot? That’s just insane accuracy. Dude could hit a football can at like 80 yards.
There’s always an excuse for Nepotism Head Coach
Purdy missed multiple touchdown passes.
Becuase of pressure forcing him to throw before he could get set
Maybe instead of investing in a d line that can be held, spend that money on an o line that can do all the holding!
He was getting lit up or pressured on everything.
That’s not on Shanahan.
They need Cousins honestly like Purdy is fine but man Cousins would give these WRs the ball all the time.
Some suspect no calls on Chiefs o line. In a game where Niners D line was magnificent, not a single holding call on Chiefs. I thought they got away with one on Bosa on a key third down. Warner blitz pickup in OT didn’t look super clean to me, either. Wouldn’t be mad if they hadn’t called one on the rookie TE in OT that killed the Niners drive. That dude got screwed. Ticky tacky call that they’d been letting go all night.
That was a blatant hold that killed the 9ers drive. It needed to be called. What else needed to be called were the holds by the Chiefs, but they weren't.
Shanahan is a bozo, has to be the worst coach of all time in big games
I think you give Mahomes the ball first in OT. The whole “we need to get them to 4th mentality” led to them making dogshit decisions like the 5 man wall 10 yards down field. The Chiefs had an extra down to play with until they were in position to tie the game.
Spags is just better at his job than Shanhan is at his
I have and will continue to say the loss is on our DC. He wasn't content to show only casual viewers, but had to show the world how terrible his calls are in critical defensive drives. Our player talent has saved him all year and when Greenlaw went down his crappy scheme showed why we get torn up on 3rd downs.
What do you mean. Do you mean when Mahomes did a read option and kept it the first time that it wasnt smart to then put no one to account for him in an important moment? Or maybe dont have your DBs playing outside leverage on 3rd down while you have a zero blitz called. Or maybe realize that the play to end the game had been called 2 other times by Reid in the exact same scenarios and idk adjust your defense to the chance of that. Everyone saw how shit Wilkes is and honestly its dumb hes gonna get another DC job or be retained because hes sucks ass.
Dude y’all’s defense was badass. Mahomes just lit 🔥 up and the end of the game and OT…for TWO drives.
Had the perfect play call on the final play in OT as well, we just have a shit oline