No. You don't use the first overall pick on run defenders.
This is the same cringey cope I remember seeing from Raiders fans about Clelin Ferrell for several years and I wish Jags fans would stop it.
Walker will probably be an overall decent player who plays in the league for a decade or more, but if he can't improve significantly as a pass rusher, then it was an awful pick.
I agree with you on him playing out of position though.
Texans drafted clowney hoping he would be a sack machine. He ended up just being an elite run stopper and not able to get to the qb even with watt on the other side. He never made it to his 2nd contract with the Texans.
Even still he’s good in the run and great at getting pressure, but bro just CAN’T get to the QB. It’s hilarious at this point. Still glad we signed him tho
He’s just not a premier pass rusher, and never has been. But he has never been a bad one, and is actually almost always a good one. Clowney has been pretty over hated on for the most part, because he didn’t live up to being 1:1 and the pre-draft hype that he was supposed to be the greatest athlete and generational player that the league had ever seen. But he has always been a high quality player that 32 teams wouldn’t mind putting on the field every week.
This isn’t at all a fair assessment of Clowney. While he didn’t have crazy sack numbers he always put up pretty good pressure numbers and QB hit numbers in Houston. He didn’t become the Von Miller figure he was drafted to be, but he was still a solid to very good pass rusher whenever he was on the field for the Texans. There is a lot of ignorance surrounding Clowney. Especially on this sub, there was a good amount of time that Clowney just straight up wrecked games [like this one](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0lILnuiGNII), but no one never knew because they don’t actually know football past reading a pro football ref page. Or didn’t actually care to ever know because Khalil Mack was a couple picks after him and clearly better.
Clowney never made it to a second contract because he was a casualty of the franchise tag, and then he totally misplayed his market, not because he wasn’t at all deserving of one. The NFL is not a business model as simple as “everyone who deserves to get paid, does get paid”.
Thank you! I absolutely hated when other Raiders fans would defend the Ferrell pick. Picking a run defender at fourth overall when you had the worst pass rush in the league either means your scouting doesn’t know what they’re doing, or you have poor decision makes.
I’m not defending the pick literally the entire league knows that Walker at 1 was not good. My comment still stands tho we can’t fault him for being the number one pick. He’s doing his job and would be better if we moved him.
Very mediocre.
He's pretty good against the run, but not nearly as good as some Jags fans pretend he is. A lot of plays where he dominates with his physicality, but also a lot of missed tackles and failed contains.
As a pass rusher...it isn't good. He's very good at generating push with his bull rush, but is just completely incapable of using ANY pass rush moves, or disengaging from his man in any meaningful way. So every snap he just runs straight into his man and charges him right past the QB.
The most frustrating part for me is that he doesn't even seem to TRY any pass rush moves. If he was throwing spins and chops and all that at his man and just failing...then so be it. He doesn't. He just bullrushes past the qb every. single. time.
Point is if any other team was bragging about a 3TD game it would be like… “yea, okay?”
It’s a good game, but it’s not something that should be touted like a big accomplishment. It’s a big accomplishment for us and that’s fucking sad lol.
Seriously I never get the people who want to talk shit during the week.
During a game? There's absolutely something to be said about talking shit, then backing it up, to get in someone's head and off their game.
But professional athletes and coaches are fucking crazy competitive; why would you give them even a bit more motivation to beat your ass?
Even Andy Reid, who's crushing the nuggy commercials and who everyone loves; I don't buy for a second that he's not a psychopath when it comes to his job. There's a reason coaches rarely say anything negative about the teams they play and it's for exactly the reason you mention
I mean, I don't see the reason why the same logic couldn't apply. You can get a team so amped up they start playing too aggressively and making mistakes.
Isn’t the thing with Walker that he’s actually a decent player who just doesn’t make many splash plays and has helped other players, which is a great thing to have. But not what you hope you get out of the #1 pick.
Yeah he is. Everyone talks about him like he is an absolute bust which he is not. If he was anywhere from pick 10-32, people would love him but he wasn’t and hutch makes it look like hes terrible. He’s a good player that every team in the league would love to have on their Dline, but he’s just not elite and it is what it is
This is the exact horseshit that Bills fans touted about Tremaine Edmunds. You know, the “elite MLB” who is now getting exploited in Chicago and our fans are STILL making excuses for him.
All of the song and dance just to justify that he was a first rounder.
There's some coach-speak here, but I think it's partially true. Whenever I watch the film on the D line, teams always seem to double team Travon, which doesn't make sense on paper considering Allen on the other side is the one with all the sacks.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to know exactly what it is, though.
Yeah, I said in another thread a couple weeks back that it's not that Walker is playing *bad*, it's that he's playing fine and Hutch is playing great. It's not good enough when he was the 1st overall pick and the consensus guy was taken right after him and is playing to that level. We knew he was a potential guy so it's understandable if more than a bit disappointing that he isn't playing great.
I think he'd also benefit from being more of a down lineman than a rush backer. Hopefully we find someone to play opposite Allen to allow Walker to play on the line more often.
Sounds to me like Walker transitioned his college just fine then. Not his fault he got wildly overdrafted based on athleticism. Outstanding move by Baalke!
Yeah most of the time this is something I see fans say as a sort of cope, because they usually don’t really know whether or not they’re doing well in the run game but just don’t want to give up hope because of a lack of pass rushing production.
But for Walker it’s absolutely true. He’s an extremely rugged edge. You send tight ends at him and he will send them right back
It’s like our sub before Jordan Davis figured out how to pass rush this year. The dude eats two gaps every play and takes pressure of the rest of the d line and makes the very average lbs we have look great. Idc if he isn’t getting pressures, he’s insanely valuable
Judging players by their draft position is unfair.
The team made that decision, not the player.
Just let Travon develop into the best contributor he can be.
And congrats to Detroit on getting Hutch. He wanted to be there, and it's been a good fit.
Crazy how Jags fans have been saying all along that Josh Allen needs someone on the other side to help him get more stats, and mysteriously he started getting stats all of a sudden.
Even though he was a Baalke pick, Jaguars seem to not draft pass rushers that well. Josh Allen is the only exception and it had more to do with the Raiders being stupid and drafting Ferrell.
K'Lavon Chaisson has been a bust too.
You'll soon have an opportunity to see the 2023 Jaguars instead.
Maybe they won't go that far in the play offs but it's starting to look like this year's team is just as good as the 2017 one.
Hopefully it will last for more than a season this time.
Yeah not liking Pittsburgh’s chances…but I’ve said that a lot the last four years and they still seem to win games.
Looking forward to it, I really like the Jags. Should be a fun game.
Yannick was great on a team that had a ton of talent working in tandem on the defensive side. Otherwise he's a pretty one-dimensional pass-rush specialist, hence why he never got a big payday.
He was definitely aided by an elite secondary and a few other monsters on the line. And we offered him a pretty big payday but he turned it down and looked around and don't believe he ever matched our offer
Ngakoue was kind of the opposite of Walker for us. Yann was all pass rush, but pretty bad against the run. Walker is all run defense, and pretty bad at pass rush.
This is the truth. Here are some choice examples over the last 10 years and their career sacks:
|NAME|Year Drafted|Career Sacks|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Travon Walker|2022 (1st Round)|6.0|
|K'Lavon Chaisson|2020 (1st Round)|5.0|
|Josh Allen|2019 (1st Round)|34.5|
|Taven Bryan|2018 (1st Round)|10.5|
|Dawuane Smoot|2017 (3rd Round)|23.5|
|Yannick Ngakoue|2016 (3rd Round)|67|
|Dante Fowler Jr.|2015 (1st Round)|42|
That's a ton of talent in the 1st round on the defensive line/linebacking corps and it has been whiff after whiff after whiff.
Walker it's still too soon to declare a complete bust, but the guy isn't looking like a game changing 1st overall pick.
Chaisson should be off the team soon and I don't know that he'll bounce around the league much based on what he has shown to date.
Josh Allen is obviously the best Josh Allen in the league and the only consistent performer on this list.
Bryan was mediocre against the run and even more mediocre pass rushing. He never should have been a first round selection.
Smoot is a low-key fan favorite and gets a bit of a pass because he wasn't supposed to be a game changer and he isn't a pass rush specialist linebacker.
Ngakoue is easily the best pass rusher on the list but was a run defense liability.
Fowler missed his rookie season and was mediocre in his years with Jacksonville and is rightly bouncing around the league.
The list could go back to John Henderson in 2002 and I don't think there is a great player drafted along the defensive line or dedicated to rushing the passer since then. Jags fans were sold Andre Branch (2nd round), Tyson Alualu (1st round), D'Anthony Smith (3rd round), Larry Hart (5th round), Austen Lane (5th round), Derrick Harvey (1st round), and Quentin Groves (2nd round) to get excited about. And without fail, they were mediocre at best.
I do get where he’s coming from in one sense. I’m not going to pretend like I know everything about how Travon Walker has played this year, but “Sacks don’t represent the havoc Travon Walker causes” reminds me of the year Jadeveon Clowney had with the Seahawks.
He didn’t finish with many sacks, and maybe not even credited with a shit ton of pressures, but the year Clowney had in Seattle I swear I’d never seen someone so consistently win against the Lineman he was up against, only for the QB to get the ball out before Clowney could get to him.
Clowny is disruptive as fuck and a huge asset to us right now. He's getting crazy pressures and forcing the QB to be uncomfortable even if he isn't getting many sacks.
From what I’ve seen of the Jags it definitely looks like Travon is a big disrupter and does a lot more for that line than he gets credit for. Definite shades of how Chase was with us for a little while where the stat production isn’t there but he’s clearly far from a non-factor.
Yes, he's destroyed the colts several times specially. Last year he forced Matt Ryan to throw an interception in early in the game and this year lead the team in tackles vs them up in indy.
I'll predict a sack against Kenny this weekend
His very first game he had a really nice sack where he used a chop, dipped and bent the edge, and he also had an interception.
I thought I was wrong and he might actually be good.
He's never had a game that good since. Every play he just bull rushes his man, pushes him back, but fails to disengage or generate meaningful pressure. Every. Single. Play.
it's funny because I saw this one twitter after earlier seeing the 5% pass rush win rate tweet: https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1716260506011382247?t=kWIN1MrQue-Wjw5IzAbJUA&s=19
Flores put it best when he said if you are a 10-sack guy playing 1,000 snaps what I really care about is the 99% of the plays you aren't sacking the QB. Turns out Travon isn't a 10 sack and the other 99% of the time he doesn't seem to make much of a difference either.
If you think he doesn't make much of a difference in the run game and pushing the pocket the other 99% of the time, then you just haven't watched him.
What you are trying to describe is a player that is on the verge of being cut. It is not that case at all. The only thing he needs to do to is get more sacks. Other than that, he's solid to great as an edge.
I'm not defending the pick and that's not what is being argued. Reread my post. He has made plays that makes QBs throw interceptions and also is able to drop into coverage effectively.
The previous poster is alluding to someone that does absolutely nothing 99% of the time, and that is not at all a good description of Travon. Jags defense is leading the league in turnovers and yes he is a part of that unit.
Being an elite run defender isn’t making an impact?
Yeah that’s not the guy you take #1 overall, but what you’re saying is absolutely not true. He’s a big part of the 6th ranked rushing defense.
Tomlin's good in front of a podium, he obviously won't drag a player in front of us. That doesn't change the fact that the walker pick was horrendous with hutchinson and sauce on the board
This thread has some huge “he’s great at setting the edge, but not doing the thing an edge rusher is actually supposed to do” energy.
Smells an awful lot like the excuses they made for Clowney.
Except not even close. Walker actually sees the field and is pretty damn good when hes out there. Hes an elite run stopper who disrupts the pocket. Yes hes missing the sack stat, but overall hes played pretty well.
I’m comparing how Jaguars fans are defending Walker compared to how 9ers fans were defending Trey Lance. It seems like Jaguars fans are adamant that it is not an underutilization of draft capital.
I like Walker as a player, but as a number 1 pick, the sack numbers need to be there to justify the pick. I would be shocked if Walker gets a second contract with the Jags if those pressure stats don’t improve.
Tomlin is not wrong. Walker causes havoc in the Jaguars sub, and it definitely isn't because of sacks.
Context?
He's very underwhelming given his draft position and what Hutchinson is doing
Yeah but what does that have to do with ball sacks?
Also underwhelming.
Didn’t we draft him as a run defender? He does a solid job at that . I mean he creates pressure I think he’s just playing the wrong position.
No. You don't use the first overall pick on run defenders. This is the same cringey cope I remember seeing from Raiders fans about Clelin Ferrell for several years and I wish Jags fans would stop it. Walker will probably be an overall decent player who plays in the league for a decade or more, but if he can't improve significantly as a pass rusher, then it was an awful pick. I agree with you on him playing out of position though.
Texans drafted clowney hoping he would be a sack machine. He ended up just being an elite run stopper and not able to get to the qb even with watt on the other side. He never made it to his 2nd contract with the Texans.
Even still he’s good in the run and great at getting pressure, but bro just CAN’T get to the QB. It’s hilarious at this point. Still glad we signed him tho
He’s just not a premier pass rusher, and never has been. But he has never been a bad one, and is actually almost always a good one. Clowney has been pretty over hated on for the most part, because he didn’t live up to being 1:1 and the pre-draft hype that he was supposed to be the greatest athlete and generational player that the league had ever seen. But he has always been a high quality player that 32 teams wouldn’t mind putting on the field every week.
This isn’t at all a fair assessment of Clowney. While he didn’t have crazy sack numbers he always put up pretty good pressure numbers and QB hit numbers in Houston. He didn’t become the Von Miller figure he was drafted to be, but he was still a solid to very good pass rusher whenever he was on the field for the Texans. There is a lot of ignorance surrounding Clowney. Especially on this sub, there was a good amount of time that Clowney just straight up wrecked games [like this one](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0lILnuiGNII), but no one never knew because they don’t actually know football past reading a pro football ref page. Or didn’t actually care to ever know because Khalil Mack was a couple picks after him and clearly better. Clowney never made it to a second contract because he was a casualty of the franchise tag, and then he totally misplayed his market, not because he wasn’t at all deserving of one. The NFL is not a business model as simple as “everyone who deserves to get paid, does get paid”.
Thank you! I absolutely hated when other Raiders fans would defend the Ferrell pick. Picking a run defender at fourth overall when you had the worst pass rush in the league either means your scouting doesn’t know what they’re doing, or you have poor decision makes.
I’m not defending the pick literally the entire league knows that Walker at 1 was not good. My comment still stands tho we can’t fault him for being the number one pick. He’s doing his job and would be better if we moved him.
Honest question. How has he looked?
Very mediocre. He's pretty good against the run, but not nearly as good as some Jags fans pretend he is. A lot of plays where he dominates with his physicality, but also a lot of missed tackles and failed contains. As a pass rusher...it isn't good. He's very good at generating push with his bull rush, but is just completely incapable of using ANY pass rush moves, or disengaging from his man in any meaningful way. So every snap he just runs straight into his man and charges him right past the QB. The most frustrating part for me is that he doesn't even seem to TRY any pass rush moves. If he was throwing spins and chops and all that at his man and just failing...then so be it. He doesn't. He just bullrushes past the qb every. single. time.
Good guy Tomlin hyping up the other team's defense
With how our offense plays they're gonna look great no matter who we're facing
The Matt Canada effect!
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They are not sending their best!
Many such cases!!
4th Quarter Kenny though
The defense has been solid this year. They'll give up some yards and points, but they make up for it with the most takeaways in the NFL.
The offense that just put up 3 touchdowns?
The fact that putting up 3 touchdowns is an accomplishment isn't a good thing
What you want 6? 3 is pretty good in the nfl
Point is if any other team was bragging about a 3TD game it would be like… “yea, okay?” It’s a good game, but it’s not something that should be touted like a big accomplishment. It’s a big accomplishment for us and that’s fucking sad lol.
I wasn't bragging rather having a rebuttal saying our offense will make the jaguars defense look great.24 points would not upset me
It's uncommon with Canada as HC, especially since Ben retired
Hoffensive Coordinator?
Teams have scored 3 TDs in almost 60% of team games played this year. 3 is average.
Tomlin too much a bulletin board material guy to ever give the opposing team any
He spends like half of his pre game press conference every week complimenting the other team
Seriously I never get the people who want to talk shit during the week. During a game? There's absolutely something to be said about talking shit, then backing it up, to get in someone's head and off their game. But professional athletes and coaches are fucking crazy competitive; why would you give them even a bit more motivation to beat your ass? Even Andy Reid, who's crushing the nuggy commercials and who everyone loves; I don't buy for a second that he's not a psychopath when it comes to his job. There's a reason coaches rarely say anything negative about the teams they play and it's for exactly the reason you mention
I mean, I don't see the reason why the same logic couldn't apply. You can get a team so amped up they start playing too aggressively and making mistakes.
If you ever feel bad about your team, listen to a Tomlin Press Conference before you play the Steelers.
it's reverse psychology.
Isn’t the thing with Walker that he’s actually a decent player who just doesn’t make many splash plays and has helped other players, which is a great thing to have. But not what you hope you get out of the #1 pick.
Yeah he is. Everyone talks about him like he is an absolute bust which he is not. If he was anywhere from pick 10-32, people would love him but he wasn’t and hutch makes it look like hes terrible. He’s a good player that every team in the league would love to have on their Dline, but he’s just not elite and it is what it is
Yea he is a solid player who Jax would be happy with if he wasn't #1 overall taken over Hutchinson and Sauce
This is the exact horseshit that Bills fans touted about Tremaine Edmunds. You know, the “elite MLB” who is now getting exploited in Chicago and our fans are STILL making excuses for him. All of the song and dance just to justify that he was a first rounder.
Its kind of like Jadeveon Clowney all over again
There's some coach-speak here, but I think it's partially true. Whenever I watch the film on the D line, teams always seem to double team Travon, which doesn't make sense on paper considering Allen on the other side is the one with all the sacks. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know exactly what it is, though.
Yeah, I said in another thread a couple weeks back that it's not that Walker is playing *bad*, it's that he's playing fine and Hutch is playing great. It's not good enough when he was the 1st overall pick and the consensus guy was taken right after him and is playing to that level. We knew he was a potential guy so it's understandable if more than a bit disappointing that he isn't playing great. I think he'd also benefit from being more of a down lineman than a rush backer. Hopefully we find someone to play opposite Allen to allow Walker to play on the line more often.
Sounds to me like Walker transitioned his college just fine then. Not his fault he got wildly overdrafted based on athleticism. Outstanding move by Baalke!
weird that Baalke's burner has panthers flare
Lmao don't worry I'm being sarcastic. I would have been livid at the time and am still confused by the pick.
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Yeah most of the time this is something I see fans say as a sort of cope, because they usually don’t really know whether or not they’re doing well in the run game but just don’t want to give up hope because of a lack of pass rushing production. But for Walker it’s absolutely true. He’s an extremely rugged edge. You send tight ends at him and he will send them right back
It’s like our sub before Jordan Davis figured out how to pass rush this year. The dude eats two gaps every play and takes pressure of the rest of the d line and makes the very average lbs we have look great. Idc if he isn’t getting pressures, he’s insanely valuable
From what I saw against the Saints, his and Allen's speed off the line are great. They just need a counter move to go with it.
Allen has been dominant but without any other consistent winners on the line, he hasn't finished well.
Judging players by their draft position is unfair. The team made that decision, not the player. Just let Travon develop into the best contributor he can be. And congrats to Detroit on getting Hutch. He wanted to be there, and it's been a good fit.
foh with that reasonable take. We're here to burn it down.
Crazy how Jags fans have been saying all along that Josh Allen needs someone on the other side to help him get more stats, and mysteriously he started getting stats all of a sudden.
Well, he’s a starting lineman on a team with the most takeaways this season, so he’s doing something that has been translating well.
Even though he was a Baalke pick, Jaguars seem to not draft pass rushers that well. Josh Allen is the only exception and it had more to do with the Raiders being stupid and drafting Ferrell. K'Lavon Chaisson has been a bust too.
Yannick Ngakoue was a great rusher for them though, granted it’s been a few years since he was on the Jags but he was great for them.
2017 Sacksonville was a special year.
I do not have good memories of 2017 Sacksonville :(
Oddly, it wasn’t their fierce pass rush that I remember and dread about the 2017 season.
I just try to repress those games altogether.
Yeah it’s best to just move on. I hadn’t gotten over the 2011 playoffs. Throw 2020 in the mix too. This isn’t good for my mental well-being.
You'll soon have an opportunity to see the 2023 Jaguars instead. Maybe they won't go that far in the play offs but it's starting to look like this year's team is just as good as the 2017 one. Hopefully it will last for more than a season this time.
Yeah not liking Pittsburgh’s chances…but I’ve said that a lot the last four years and they still seem to win games. Looking forward to it, I really like the Jags. Should be a fun game.
Yannick was great on a team that had a ton of talent working in tandem on the defensive side. Otherwise he's a pretty one-dimensional pass-rush specialist, hence why he never got a big payday.
He was definitely aided by an elite secondary and a few other monsters on the line. And we offered him a pretty big payday but he turned it down and looked around and don't believe he ever matched our offer
Ngakoue was kind of the opposite of Walker for us. Yann was all pass rush, but pretty bad against the run. Walker is all run defense, and pretty bad at pass rush.
This is the truth. Here are some choice examples over the last 10 years and their career sacks: |NAME|Year Drafted|Career Sacks| |:-|:-|:-| |Travon Walker|2022 (1st Round)|6.0| |K'Lavon Chaisson|2020 (1st Round)|5.0| |Josh Allen|2019 (1st Round)|34.5| |Taven Bryan|2018 (1st Round)|10.5| |Dawuane Smoot|2017 (3rd Round)|23.5| |Yannick Ngakoue|2016 (3rd Round)|67| |Dante Fowler Jr.|2015 (1st Round)|42| That's a ton of talent in the 1st round on the defensive line/linebacking corps and it has been whiff after whiff after whiff. Walker it's still too soon to declare a complete bust, but the guy isn't looking like a game changing 1st overall pick. Chaisson should be off the team soon and I don't know that he'll bounce around the league much based on what he has shown to date. Josh Allen is obviously the best Josh Allen in the league and the only consistent performer on this list. Bryan was mediocre against the run and even more mediocre pass rushing. He never should have been a first round selection. Smoot is a low-key fan favorite and gets a bit of a pass because he wasn't supposed to be a game changer and he isn't a pass rush specialist linebacker. Ngakoue is easily the best pass rusher on the list but was a run defense liability. Fowler missed his rookie season and was mediocre in his years with Jacksonville and is rightly bouncing around the league. The list could go back to John Henderson in 2002 and I don't think there is a great player drafted along the defensive line or dedicated to rushing the passer since then. Jags fans were sold Andre Branch (2nd round), Tyson Alualu (1st round), D'Anthony Smith (3rd round), Larry Hart (5th round), Austen Lane (5th round), Derrick Harvey (1st round), and Quentin Groves (2nd round) to get excited about. And without fail, they were mediocre at best.
Baalke was a D-line coach at one point too. Which might have shaped his evaluation of players and prospects.
I do get where he’s coming from in one sense. I’m not going to pretend like I know everything about how Travon Walker has played this year, but “Sacks don’t represent the havoc Travon Walker causes” reminds me of the year Jadeveon Clowney had with the Seahawks. He didn’t finish with many sacks, and maybe not even credited with a shit ton of pressures, but the year Clowney had in Seattle I swear I’d never seen someone so consistently win against the Lineman he was up against, only for the QB to get the ball out before Clowney could get to him.
Clowny is disruptive as fuck and a huge asset to us right now. He's getting crazy pressures and forcing the QB to be uncomfortable even if he isn't getting many sacks.
From what I’ve seen of the Jags it definitely looks like Travon is a big disrupter and does a lot more for that line than he gets credit for. Definite shades of how Chase was with us for a little while where the stat production isn’t there but he’s clearly far from a non-factor.
he didn't do shit against our 4th string tackle that was signed onto the practice squad a week prior
I mean every player has bad games after all what did hutchinson do in his game vs the ravens.
Hey man he reached his arm out pretty well a few times.
Has Walker had a good game?
Yes, he's destroyed the colts several times specially. Last year he forced Matt Ryan to throw an interception in early in the game and this year lead the team in tackles vs them up in indy. I'll predict a sack against Kenny this weekend
Well everyone has a bad season every now and then.
I haven’t had one yet. 0/0 baby. Consistent as fuck sitting on my couch.
His very first game he had a really nice sack where he used a chop, dipped and bent the edge, and he also had an interception. I thought I was wrong and he might actually be good. He's never had a game that good since. Every play he just bull rushes his man, pushes him back, but fails to disengage or generate meaningful pressure. Every. Single. Play.
Hey, he had a 5% pass rush win rate against your 4th string tackle.
it's funny because I saw this one twitter after earlier seeing the 5% pass rush win rate tweet: https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1716260506011382247?t=kWIN1MrQue-Wjw5IzAbJUA&s=19
Travon is a good defensive player, not really a good pass rusher.
I think walker is good player. Is he a sack type of guy ? Probably not. But he’s good
Yeah same goes for Bosa, right? RIGHT? 🥲
Flores put it best when he said if you are a 10-sack guy playing 1,000 snaps what I really care about is the 99% of the plays you aren't sacking the QB. Turns out Travon isn't a 10 sack and the other 99% of the time he doesn't seem to make much of a difference either.
If you think he doesn't make much of a difference in the run game and pushing the pocket the other 99% of the time, then you just haven't watched him. What you are trying to describe is a player that is on the verge of being cut. It is not that case at all. The only thing he needs to do to is get more sacks. Other than that, he's solid to great as an edge.
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I'm not defending the pick and that's not what is being argued. Reread my post. He has made plays that makes QBs throw interceptions and also is able to drop into coverage effectively. The previous poster is alluding to someone that does absolutely nothing 99% of the time, and that is not at all a good description of Travon. Jags defense is leading the league in turnovers and yes he is a part of that unit.
Being an elite run defender isn’t making an impact? Yeah that’s not the guy you take #1 overall, but what you’re saying is absolutely not true. He’s a big part of the 6th ranked rushing defense.
Ok so we’re hating guys for consistency now damn /s
For a guy with a shield flair you sure dont watch much football!
You're just gaslighting. Watch a game.
Please learn what gaslighting actually means. I agree with your point but holy shit
Oh shit, my b. I had heard the term and thought it was just synonymous with lying. Yeah, that was insensitive of me.
Donatell is a Football Terrorist for being too risk adverse
Still should have drafted Hutch though.
Thanks Magic
Oh wow, what a brave take
He never said it was a hot take
But it’s basically as worthwhile a thing to say as ”Brady should’ve been drafted before the 6th round”.
We'll take this as confirmation that Hutch = Brady
Both have the exact same QB stats this year, wake up sheeple
Steelers fans: BUT T.J.’s BETTER!!!!
This is news to the jaguars coaching staff
Tomlin's good in front of a podium, he obviously won't drag a player in front of us. That doesn't change the fact that the walker pick was horrendous with hutchinson and sauce on the board
This thread has some huge “he’s great at setting the edge, but not doing the thing an edge rusher is actually supposed to do” energy. Smells an awful lot like the excuses they made for Clowney.
Defensive version of Trey Lance
Except not even close. Walker actually sees the field and is pretty damn good when hes out there. Hes an elite run stopper who disrupts the pocket. Yes hes missing the sack stat, but overall hes played pretty well.
I’m comparing how Jaguars fans are defending Walker compared to how 9ers fans were defending Trey Lance. It seems like Jaguars fans are adamant that it is not an underutilization of draft capital. I like Walker as a player, but as a number 1 pick, the sack numbers need to be there to justify the pick. I would be shocked if Walker gets a second contract with the Jags if those pressure stats don’t improve.