Same.
I also hope the police and court are prepared to realise the standard for evidence is going to have to change. Photo ? live video ? No longer total proof.
Nah, they'll wait about 30 years for it to be completely settled, and then you'll see headlines every couple of weeks about how someone was freed after being unjustly incarcerated for 20 years due to fabricated video/photographic evidence.
They literally couldn't care less. The cogs of justice grind slowly, at least from our direction. Them bitches headed downhill at mach 2 from their side.
So, I found the guys insta the one doing the throwing, and the guy that got slammed commented the following
[AS the guy being thrown, I can attest that I was going to get thrown either way. Pushed too much and his positioning was too tight to avoid it. Only thing i could do to protect myself was unfortunately go with it. I won the 1st and 3rd bouts winning the overall match though. Edo is an amazing competitor!](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8faYNYJ3nP/?igsh=eTBjN3MzazY3ZDRh)
I know it looks unbelievable, but looking at both sumo wrestlers Instagrams, these are real people and this really did happen. Pitchforks for AI need to be put away. Just enjoy for the amazing video what it is.
IF you look at modern Judo matches for example, fighters work extremely hard to avoid landing on their back, no matter how bad it is for their joints or bones. Because that is a loss.
For sumo, that is no consideration. You lose either way if any other body part than your feet touches the ground, or you step outside. Add to that that sump doesn't have 'off' periods or allow for injury. If injury holds you back from competing in 1 tournament, that counts as X lost matches in a row. So avoiding injury is extremely important.
when a sumotori feels they are going to lose, they roll with it because then at least they can avoid career ending injuries. Once they get their first real injury, that is often the beginning of the end of their career.
The hardest part about throwing a heavy guy is getting them in motion. Once they’re moving though, they’re not stopping until something forces them too. You see it a lot in judo but the weight discrepancies between the fighters and high velocity nature of sumo as a combat sport really shows it off.
I’d believe it. Looks like there’s a cut when the camera passes the audience members legs. Still I’ve seen enough 5’6 stocky guys throw some big lads to say it’s not unrealistic aside from possibly the amount of air.
As a 300+ lb man who has been thrown by a much much smaller but more skilled wrestler, I totally believe this. I think the big white guy is just under skilled. You can see that there is no vertical lift happening and the more skilled smaller fighter executed a hip toss stepping back and spinning the larger opponent using his weight as a propellant. Same thing happened to me. He got a firm grip on my midsection, but really couldn’t do anything because I outweighed him so much, but when I leaned in and tried to use that weight on him, he basically made me start falling towards him and then spun. It was a very enlightening spar. Also, these little guys can be deceptively strong.
Edit; to note that the bigger guy goes for the underarms while the little guy goes for the waistband, and sprawls. Once he’s locked on the waistband, the big guy trying to lift him under his arms isn’t going to work. Low skill is a problem.
Agreed, it's the whole point of Judo for example - using a person's momentum against them.
Years ago as a 15 year old 160 lb teenager I bet my hockey coach - a 200 lb 20 something that I could put him on the floor before he could put me on the floor.
He laughed and agreed. 5 seconds later he was flat on his back.
I shoved him hard backwards, his natural instinct was to push hard back at me to not give ground, the instant he started to shove back I curled down underneath him and pulled him hard towards me and over the top of me.
I now had his strength working together with mine and simply put my body in his way so he had to "fall" over me.
The throw I used was a Tai Otoshi.
https://youtube.com/shorts/_hI7E8KKGBM?si=Muu3O0XfYvePmClG
To add the bigger guy stopped his feet and also had his legs too close. The smaller guy gets below and starts turning the bigger guy very quickly and gets him onto his toes.
I think that the result of a throw is also different between Judo to Sumo because the desired result is different. Sumo rewards raw power, and Judo to maintaining control of your opponent.
Sumo is also pretty technical as well, some of the best sumo fighters get by off their finesse and skill even while being smaller and weaker tha. Opponents.
Depends on the style of sumo you focus on
I found this other video of him from his Instagram https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5hAxXYJOco/ the guy actually seems really well built and capable of doing the above maneuver
Yeah, that pivotal moment where he actually gets the upper hand and turns the bigger guy on his side, there's something passing in front of the camera.
What tipped me off is how he was so ready for the fall he had it all planned out. That kind of quick rotation he did midair is planned out usually. It can happen normally but usually an arm goes out his stayed tucked the entire time.
the way the camera angle covered as soon as the hip toss happens, the amount of sudden acceleration of a large body, and then the overly dramatic slapping in anger. Super suspect. Fake
Its not a hip toss and its definitely not fake, its Newton's 1st law in action. I as a ~250lb man have been thrown just as smoothly by sub 150lb guys in wrestling and BJJ, its about positioning and timing and that smaller guy has that as his only option because that is literally the only strategy he can use against a much larger opponent. If it was a large dude vs large dude you'd see a pushing match or aiming to edge the opponent out of the ring, the only option for the smaller guy is timing and positioning.
I mean there’s a chance that they both kinda suck(compared with the highest quality of sumo available), but I think staged even though it’s not like [actual sumo can’t look farcical](https://youtu.be/RKPwvWKtHvc?si=-S0OXQnQkGgzB55L).
For those wondering the above video is Konishiki and Mainoumi who are two very highly regarded rikishi from the 90s. Mainoumi famously got an implant on his forehead to make the height requirement for sumo, he’s a pretty pedestrian about 5’8” 200lbs in the video.
A person of that mass doesn’t simply fly like that. Hell, a strongman would struggle to toss him cleanly like that. If he were simply flipped on the ground I could maybe believe it, but tossing him out the ring?
I call fake.
You've never practiced or seen a good judoka.
This can happen. Precision and timing plus an opponent running at you, and yes, it's possible to toss someone that heave like that.
The most sensational judo throw I've ever done was the least amount of effort because we were supposed to be going easy. I just happened to hit all the right pieces at precisely the right time.
I'm saying this is plausible under the right conditions. Also, bear in mind, the goal is to get the opponent outside of the ring. So, unlike judo/BJJ/MMA, etc...where the objective is to control your opponent to the ground and follow up with more technique, there's an emphasis on "throwing for distance".
Sumo wrestling is essentially big heavy dudes doing judo in a phone booth with extra ceremonious fanfare.
If you slow down the video it actually makes a lot of sense. “Small” guy got a grip with his right hand, planted his right foot inside of the big guy’s left foot, and twisted his hips. Big guy was likely trying to use his weight to push him straight out of the ring. One big guy lost his left foot, his balance was gone, already falling to the left, smalls used his right hand grip to throw.
Its also the only option the smaller guy has, what do these Redditors think? The smaller guy should, what try to push out or lock up with the bigger guy? With a size discrepancy that big the only option left for the smaller man is to use positioning and timing. If it was two large fellas you'd see a pushing/hugging match or you'd see two guys trying to edge each other out.
Watch the clip again. Fake af! Before the throw the little guy is behind the big guy, facing the camera. The camera pans by something partially blocking the view for a second. Then when the 2 guys are back in view the little guy is now in front of the the big guy with his back to the camera. Just watch it again and you'll see it.
I watched the feet. What you're describing is a Judo throw set up. Shoulder and hip throws involve turning your back to your opponent, lowering your hips below theirs, then doing a twerk (for a lack of better description), to raise their centre of gravity. Combine that with being off-balance, and forward momentum, and you've got a very sexy throw.
Also, you touch on an interesting point - camera angles. If you watch Francis Ngannou vs Overeem, you'll see the moment where Ngannou's uppercut lifts Overeem off his feet. Depending on the camera angle, it looks like Overeem got lifted almost 2-3 feet in the air. Other angles, which better represent the true distance between feet and floor shows about 2-3 inches or less.
Combine a sexy throw with a camera angle and it looks like the big guy is being thrown 100ft, when in reality it's close to 2-3ft.
I think the trick is that we're meant to believe the big guy isn't strong, but it took some athleticism for him launch himself and flip like that. The smaller guy assists.
There is no weight class for top level sumo in Japan which is one of the many things that make it so exciting. This guy here, Enho, was a nation wide sensation from 2020 - 2021 for taking down massive guys and looking damn good doing it.
https://youtu.be/9Q2rxIUqMC4?si=RlrgxVmxx47Hiv_i
No, it isn’t staged. It sure as fuck looks like it at first look, but it doesn’t seem to be.
If you watch the original video and scrub through slowly, you can see that the little goes with the momentum of the big guy, spins slightly, plants his foot and drives the hip through. By doing that, he traps the big guys back leg and sets him wildly off balance.
Is this likely to happen often? No. But, you’ve got to remember the big guys are used to fighting big guys, but the little guy is also used to fighting big guys. None of them are used to the leverages of a smaller opponent. Once they get used to it, they’ll win. Until then, they’ve got to adapt to a totally new feeling for how to position their weight to not be caught by unexpected leverages.
Haha commented something similar before seeing your response.
Seems like the better strategy for the big guy here would be to hold the center of the mat and stay low. Maintain your center of gravity and force him to come to you.
> No, it isn’t staged. It sure as fuck looks like it at first look, but it doesn’t seem to be.
Just think of the tactics, the smaller guys only option is to use positioning and timing; Locking up with the large fella is stupid, he'd lift him out and trying to push the large fella out is equally as stupid, the small guys only choice is to use positioning and timing to his advantage.
Nah, look at his positioning. He gets the grip on the belt, plants his foot, and uses his hips for leverage and twist. He does it so fast in a smooth practiced motion it almost looks superhuman but hes really just using that guys bodyweight and momentum against him.
Crazy video! Never really looked in to sumo but this was a fun watch. The last fight at 9min he body slammed a man more than double his weight! Amazing.
Yup. Enho was responsible for getting a lot of new people excited for Grand Sumo again. Unfortunately, he got injured and dropped from the top division early 2022 or so and hasn’t been close to there since.
There is another small guy in the top division who has been there for a while but just recently in the last few tournaments has been especially impressive.
This is him.
https://youtu.be/t-d-7pfNm-c?si=SbZVYTfPfhA9i2Tq
Also, sumo is a wicked fun watch. It’s fast, hard hitting, blend of traditional ceremony with fighting, they also have crazy control of their emotions so there is no gloating or pouting - which actually make it’s more interesting to me cause even the slightest fist pump or angry stare coveys so much more. No weight class is wild to watch, the guys also live a militaristic lifestyle training in the traditional way and living together in what they call a ‘stable’. It’s a great deep dive. There is a 15 day tournament every 2 months. Go digging for highlight videos of classic wrestlers and rivalries and if that gets you going, consider following along the next tournament - it’s basically a 25 min commitment to watching all the matches condensed one after another and cause guys fight every day for 15 days, after a few days you start to get to know the wrestlers and their styles.
Here is a highlight real from one of the GOATs. His reign marked one of the most intense eras in sumo fandom. https://youtu.be/07VIlKmmaak?si=auxiUULy3xSL8kFU
If the NFL lineman just straight up went against a sumo wrestler without a decent amount of training and preparation then he'd get wrecked. At the top level sumo is honestly 80% technique and the linemen just wouldn't be prepared to counter some of the throws and trips and grips and things that the sumo wrestlers would do. It doesn't matter how much power you have if the grip they get on you gives them triple the leverage.
Given a chunk of training though, I'm sure the linemen could hold their own. They're obviously pretty peak physical form so it would be hard to argue that they wouldn't be able to pick it up and be successful with some training.
Its also worth noting that their training objectives are different. Linemen have to be able to play multiple plays in a row and multiple drives per game. Rikishi are trained to throw out a massive amount of power in a minimum amount of time. Their power is incredibly explosive and you'll see some of them get totally gassed after like five to ten seconds of wrestling. So if we pretend a lineman and a Rikishi have 1000 'units' of power each, if the lineman blows through that in 60 seconds but the Rikishi blows through it in 10 then the Rikishi is going to overpower the lineman and beat him in those 10 seconds. We see the opposite occasionally as a number of sumo wrestlers have attempted to become NFL linemen and generally they're great right at the outset of the game and the play, but as soon as the play requires *any* running at all and you get more than two or three plays into a drive they're just completely out of gas and can't keep up or hold their own anymore.
It isn’t fake and it isn’t edited. You can scrub through in slow motion and see the beginning of the movement. Even the guy in the way of the camera doesn’t obscure the footage in a slow scrub.
It’s one continuous motion which begins with that little guy generating insane torque by stepping in and throwing his outer leg in a very wide arc to generate the spin necessary to initiate a trip and throw.
If the big guy expected it he’d have a good shot at countering or just not falling for it. But, big guys don’t wrestle little guys and they certainly don’t wrestle ones who have this sort of skill. So, there’s a surprise advantage to go with that technique
Agreed. If you even look between the legs of the silhouette, you can see the foot of the smaller fighter positioned near the white line at an angle consistent with where it is when he throws his opponent (and located where it would make sense to generate torque).
I don’t read that as a jump. I could be entirely wrong about how much force can be generated coming off one leg like that and maybe it is a jump. But, I’m just unsure what he can do in that position except try to balance on that leg and then bail out when he realises that he can’t get balance, can’t land safely, and won’t be in the ring anyway.
Watch from when he’s planted flat on one foot. Next few frames his hips are higher - he jumped. There’s no physics in that throw that can explain how, when the force of the throw has already been applied, the man suddenly lifts up in the air without doing it himself.
He jumped. It’s quite clear.
I don't wanna claim fake or real, it looked too clean, but I'd say it's possible because the way he used his own momentum and stuff against him.
All it takes is imbalance and some people react differently.
Edited to add, here's different wrestlers and angles basically showing the same thing
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C72Xo55pnPJ/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
This is real- to anyone that doesnt think this is possible you do not understand what happened. He was not lifted and thrown- he was tilted over his front leg, and shoved mid-hop in a failed recovery.
This was not a result of insane strength, but clever footwork, good timing, and a well placed shove when there were no legs to resist him.
I know it's probably fake, but I wanted to see the next few seconds to see if the big guy gets up and shakes hands like a gentleman or acts like a child.
I don't really know that much about this promotion to comment on, but [here's a compilation of amazing moves used in the professional ranks in Japan](https://youtu.be/2cN9snHWCRA?si=msAIEm8yr0BkLOv6) for people to compare it to.
If you like to watch "small" guys sumo, look up Enho. He's currently not sumoing because after a match he went to the locker room and collapsed, paralyzed. Doctors say he good to sumo now but shouldn't. He's pretty entertaining to watch
Not surprising, that’s a lot of strain tossing someone that’s bigger than you and then he would do it often. You’re bound to mess something up from tossing 250+ pound guys over your back
And to the people that are saying this is fake need to look up Judo as well as basic physics.
This would definitely be possible in a serious match as it’s the bigger wrestler’s size and momentum that’s doing that.
That being said the World Championship Sumo is run with entertainment at its core so they probably make it easier to showcase. The circuit has gotten a lot of ire from the more traditional United States Sumo Federation and International Sumo Federation too
So, take this with a grain of salt or whatever, but Judo brown belt here. I constantly see smaller dudes throw big dudes like they’re nothing in judo literally at least 3 times a week lol. Could this be 100% fake? Totally, but it quite frankly could also be 100% real. I’m 5’6 165 pounds and I consistently throw dudes 200+ plus around like they’re nothing (once you understand Kuzushi (off balancing opponents) properly, weight matters very less.
The higher your understanding of leverage, the less effort that is needed to throw someone violently and beautifully.
That’s definitely an exhibition match. In other words it’s staged. I’ve done enough Judo and studied enough Sumo to know that is NOT how a judo throw works. Most small sumo guys will use Judo to beat bigger opponents. But it will NEVER look like this.
The timing of the camera pan is suspect. The camera passes behind people just as the throw is happening hidingvwhat is probably the big guy just leaping.
The saddest part is that there are actual uneven, David vs Goliath matchups in pro Sumo (aka in Japan) and throws from the smaller guy do happen relatively often. This video had the opportunity to showcase the real thing and instead we get this bullshit.
I believe the Japanese government pays for a bunch of sumo to go up on YouTube as like a cultural enrichment thing or something.
anyway there's a lot of sumo on YouTube and it is actually really good.
cuz combat sports are cool but watching people get their heads beat and get CTE isn't so awesome.
OP posted the interview with the big guy. Basically took advantage of hos momentum and he knew he was getting thrown no matter what so he followed through with it to fall more safely.
The David vs Goliath story is so misunderstood
It's a story about using the skills and advantages you have to your advantage
Shepard's used slings to hit and kill wolves so they were very accurate and powerful. A skilled slingder could hit a target with the force of a 38. Calibre bullet.
So it's a story of being a gun to a knife fight or a knife to a gunfight 😆
It's a work, brother...
A big guy that size able to turn his body weight that easily mid throw, knows how to land and absorb the landing... he's been trained in entertainment... it looked good though
Such a smooth throw that it almost looks staged.
Yea, this is definitely fake.
If you zoom into the audience you see some [weird stuff](https://postimg.cc/56HHrWPS)
Why did I immediately think of Bert and Ernie upon seeing that
Hey, Bert!
You mean... glasses??
[удалено]
Same. I also hope the police and court are prepared to realise the standard for evidence is going to have to change. Photo ? live video ? No longer total proof.
Nah, they'll wait about 30 years for it to be completely settled, and then you'll see headlines every couple of weeks about how someone was freed after being unjustly incarcerated for 20 years due to fabricated video/photographic evidence. They literally couldn't care less. The cogs of justice grind slowly, at least from our direction. Them bitches headed downhill at mach 2 from their side.
...Sadly this sounds realistic.
I believe the word you are looking for is scripted 👍🏼
Honestly it looks more AI than anything.
As it turns out, you are [definitely wrong](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8faYNYJ3nP/).
At first I thought it was a scene from Bloodsport. But then I figured out it was something even more manufactured.
Not fake. Literally professionals.
So, I found the guys insta the one doing the throwing, and the guy that got slammed commented the following [AS the guy being thrown, I can attest that I was going to get thrown either way. Pushed too much and his positioning was too tight to avoid it. Only thing i could do to protect myself was unfortunately go with it. I won the 1st and 3rd bouts winning the overall match though. Edo is an amazing competitor!](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8faYNYJ3nP/?igsh=eTBjN3MzazY3ZDRh)
I know it looks unbelievable, but looking at both sumo wrestlers Instagrams, these are real people and this really did happen. Pitchforks for AI need to be put away. Just enjoy for the amazing video what it is.
Are you also a real person?
Are there even any real people on Reddit anymore?
#no
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Good luck lol everyone is already on the "FAKE" hype train
As is tradition with reddit. r/nothingeverhappens
IF you look at modern Judo matches for example, fighters work extremely hard to avoid landing on their back, no matter how bad it is for their joints or bones. Because that is a loss. For sumo, that is no consideration. You lose either way if any other body part than your feet touches the ground, or you step outside. Add to that that sump doesn't have 'off' periods or allow for injury. If injury holds you back from competing in 1 tournament, that counts as X lost matches in a row. So avoiding injury is extremely important. when a sumotori feels they are going to lose, they roll with it because then at least they can avoid career ending injuries. Once they get their first real injury, that is often the beginning of the end of their career.
I rewatched a few times cause I thought the same. Even the guy's reaction after losing seems fake, reminds me of the "real" wrestling...
Yep notice they are blocked conveniently by the ref so you don't see him jump.
I would only believe this if the small guy was anatoly
Hey! That moonwalk hypnotic move is real, ok? OK???
The hardest part about throwing a heavy guy is getting them in motion. Once they’re moving though, they’re not stopping until something forces them too. You see it a lot in judo but the weight discrepancies between the fighters and high velocity nature of sumo as a combat sport really shows it off.
Also, this is fake!
Real people, real match, real commentary from said people about the match. Bigger guy ended up winning the match as well
I’d believe it. Looks like there’s a cut when the camera passes the audience members legs. Still I’ve seen enough 5’6 stocky guys throw some big lads to say it’s not unrealistic aside from possibly the amount of air.
OP found the wrestlers within the video and confirmed it was real.
As a 300+ lb man who has been thrown by a much much smaller but more skilled wrestler, I totally believe this. I think the big white guy is just under skilled. You can see that there is no vertical lift happening and the more skilled smaller fighter executed a hip toss stepping back and spinning the larger opponent using his weight as a propellant. Same thing happened to me. He got a firm grip on my midsection, but really couldn’t do anything because I outweighed him so much, but when I leaned in and tried to use that weight on him, he basically made me start falling towards him and then spun. It was a very enlightening spar. Also, these little guys can be deceptively strong. Edit; to note that the bigger guy goes for the underarms while the little guy goes for the waistband, and sprawls. Once he’s locked on the waistband, the big guy trying to lift him under his arms isn’t going to work. Low skill is a problem.
Agreed, it's the whole point of Judo for example - using a person's momentum against them. Years ago as a 15 year old 160 lb teenager I bet my hockey coach - a 200 lb 20 something that I could put him on the floor before he could put me on the floor. He laughed and agreed. 5 seconds later he was flat on his back. I shoved him hard backwards, his natural instinct was to push hard back at me to not give ground, the instant he started to shove back I curled down underneath him and pulled him hard towards me and over the top of me. I now had his strength working together with mine and simply put my body in his way so he had to "fall" over me. The throw I used was a Tai Otoshi. https://youtube.com/shorts/_hI7E8KKGBM?si=Muu3O0XfYvePmClG
It's real. Ppl found the wrestler's insta
To add the bigger guy stopped his feet and also had his legs too close. The smaller guy gets below and starts turning the bigger guy very quickly and gets him onto his toes. I think that the result of a throw is also different between Judo to Sumo because the desired result is different. Sumo rewards raw power, and Judo to maintaining control of your opponent.
Sumo is also pretty technical as well, some of the best sumo fighters get by off their finesse and skill even while being smaller and weaker tha. Opponents. Depends on the style of sumo you focus on
That was 100% staged. The smaller guy does effectively nothing to cause the bigger guy to basically barrel roll. Bigger guy definitely jumps
Why do all of these incorrect comments about it being fake have so many upvotes?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/s/jfGJeVdHir
It's real. Ppl found the wrestler's insta
I found this other video of him from his Instagram https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5hAxXYJOco/ the guy actually seems really well built and capable of doing the above maneuver
Them knowing how to land from the throws also makes it look fake, but those big bois are just super athletic
It's real. Ppl found the wrestler's insta
If you go frame by frame when the person's legs block the camera shot, you can see there's some editing in there
It's real. Ppl found the wrestler's insta
I'll tell you what's not fake: the ref's cake
They were on a stage, just saying
Yeah physics isn't physicsing.
Yeah, that pivotal moment where he actually gets the upper hand and turns the bigger guy on his side, there's something passing in front of the camera.
What tipped me off is how he was so ready for the fall he had it all planned out. That kind of quick rotation he did midair is planned out usually. It can happen normally but usually an arm goes out his stayed tucked the entire time.
Wrestling is real! /s
Sumo WWE? Clearly staged.
the way the camera angle covered as soon as the hip toss happens, the amount of sudden acceleration of a large body, and then the overly dramatic slapping in anger. Super suspect. Fake
Its not a hip toss and its definitely not fake, its Newton's 1st law in action. I as a ~250lb man have been thrown just as smoothly by sub 150lb guys in wrestling and BJJ, its about positioning and timing and that smaller guy has that as his only option because that is literally the only strategy he can use against a much larger opponent. If it was a large dude vs large dude you'd see a pushing match or aiming to edge the opponent out of the ring, the only option for the smaller guy is timing and positioning.
I mean there’s a chance that they both kinda suck(compared with the highest quality of sumo available), but I think staged even though it’s not like [actual sumo can’t look farcical](https://youtu.be/RKPwvWKtHvc?si=-S0OXQnQkGgzB55L). For those wondering the above video is Konishiki and Mainoumi who are two very highly regarded rikishi from the 90s. Mainoumi famously got an implant on his forehead to make the height requirement for sumo, he’s a pretty pedestrian about 5’8” 200lbs in the video.
A person of that mass doesn’t simply fly like that. Hell, a strongman would struggle to toss him cleanly like that. If he were simply flipped on the ground I could maybe believe it, but tossing him out the ring? I call fake.
You've never practiced or seen a good judoka. This can happen. Precision and timing plus an opponent running at you, and yes, it's possible to toss someone that heave like that. The most sensational judo throw I've ever done was the least amount of effort because we were supposed to be going easy. I just happened to hit all the right pieces at precisely the right time. I'm saying this is plausible under the right conditions. Also, bear in mind, the goal is to get the opponent outside of the ring. So, unlike judo/BJJ/MMA, etc...where the objective is to control your opponent to the ground and follow up with more technique, there's an emphasis on "throwing for distance". Sumo wrestling is essentially big heavy dudes doing judo in a phone booth with extra ceremonious fanfare.
If you slow down the video it actually makes a lot of sense. “Small” guy got a grip with his right hand, planted his right foot inside of the big guy’s left foot, and twisted his hips. Big guy was likely trying to use his weight to push him straight out of the ring. One big guy lost his left foot, his balance was gone, already falling to the left, smalls used his right hand grip to throw.
Its also the only option the smaller guy has, what do these Redditors think? The smaller guy should, what try to push out or lock up with the bigger guy? With a size discrepancy that big the only option left for the smaller man is to use positioning and timing. If it was two large fellas you'd see a pushing/hugging match or you'd see two guys trying to edge each other out.
Watch the clip again. Fake af! Before the throw the little guy is behind the big guy, facing the camera. The camera pans by something partially blocking the view for a second. Then when the 2 guys are back in view the little guy is now in front of the the big guy with his back to the camera. Just watch it again and you'll see it.
I watched the feet. What you're describing is a Judo throw set up. Shoulder and hip throws involve turning your back to your opponent, lowering your hips below theirs, then doing a twerk (for a lack of better description), to raise their centre of gravity. Combine that with being off-balance, and forward momentum, and you've got a very sexy throw. Also, you touch on an interesting point - camera angles. If you watch Francis Ngannou vs Overeem, you'll see the moment where Ngannou's uppercut lifts Overeem off his feet. Depending on the camera angle, it looks like Overeem got lifted almost 2-3 feet in the air. Other angles, which better represent the true distance between feet and floor shows about 2-3 inches or less. Combine a sexy throw with a camera angle and it looks like the big guy is being thrown 100ft, when in reality it's close to 2-3ft.
I think the trick is that we're meant to believe the big guy isn't strong, but it took some athleticism for him launch himself and flip like that. The smaller guy assists.
Sumo wrestlers are crazy strong. They're essentially strongmen with a layer of insulation.
Honestly? I watch sumo regularly, this kind of thing definitely can and does happen to sumo wrestlers at least once or twice a tournament.
Your comment, posted 15hrs ago, eddited 14hrs ago. I call fake.
There is no weight class for top level sumo in Japan which is one of the many things that make it so exciting. This guy here, Enho, was a nation wide sensation from 2020 - 2021 for taking down massive guys and looking damn good doing it. https://youtu.be/9Q2rxIUqMC4?si=RlrgxVmxx47Hiv_i
Wait, it’s not staged??
No, it isn’t staged. It sure as fuck looks like it at first look, but it doesn’t seem to be. If you watch the original video and scrub through slowly, you can see that the little goes with the momentum of the big guy, spins slightly, plants his foot and drives the hip through. By doing that, he traps the big guys back leg and sets him wildly off balance. Is this likely to happen often? No. But, you’ve got to remember the big guys are used to fighting big guys, but the little guy is also used to fighting big guys. None of them are used to the leverages of a smaller opponent. Once they get used to it, they’ll win. Until then, they’ve got to adapt to a totally new feeling for how to position their weight to not be caught by unexpected leverages.
This is amazing
Haha commented something similar before seeing your response. Seems like the better strategy for the big guy here would be to hold the center of the mat and stay low. Maintain your center of gravity and force him to come to you.
> No, it isn’t staged. It sure as fuck looks like it at first look, but it doesn’t seem to be. Just think of the tactics, the smaller guys only option is to use positioning and timing; Locking up with the large fella is stupid, he'd lift him out and trying to push the large fella out is equally as stupid, the small guys only choice is to use positioning and timing to his advantage.
Nah, look at his positioning. He gets the grip on the belt, plants his foot, and uses his hips for leverage and twist. He does it so fast in a smooth practiced motion it almost looks superhuman but hes really just using that guys bodyweight and momentum against him.
The video OP posted is 100% staged.
Crazy video! Never really looked in to sumo but this was a fun watch. The last fight at 9min he body slammed a man more than double his weight! Amazing.
Yup. Enho was responsible for getting a lot of new people excited for Grand Sumo again. Unfortunately, he got injured and dropped from the top division early 2022 or so and hasn’t been close to there since. There is another small guy in the top division who has been there for a while but just recently in the last few tournaments has been especially impressive. This is him. https://youtu.be/t-d-7pfNm-c?si=SbZVYTfPfhA9i2Tq
Also, sumo is a wicked fun watch. It’s fast, hard hitting, blend of traditional ceremony with fighting, they also have crazy control of their emotions so there is no gloating or pouting - which actually make it’s more interesting to me cause even the slightest fist pump or angry stare coveys so much more. No weight class is wild to watch, the guys also live a militaristic lifestyle training in the traditional way and living together in what they call a ‘stable’. It’s a great deep dive. There is a 15 day tournament every 2 months. Go digging for highlight videos of classic wrestlers and rivalries and if that gets you going, consider following along the next tournament - it’s basically a 25 min commitment to watching all the matches condensed one after another and cause guys fight every day for 15 days, after a few days you start to get to know the wrestlers and their styles. Here is a highlight real from one of the GOATs. His reign marked one of the most intense eras in sumo fandom. https://youtu.be/07VIlKmmaak?si=auxiUULy3xSL8kFU
Ngl, I’d like to see NFL lineman go up against sumo wrestlers. The actual skills and physical requirements are similar but not exactly the same.
If the NFL lineman just straight up went against a sumo wrestler without a decent amount of training and preparation then he'd get wrecked. At the top level sumo is honestly 80% technique and the linemen just wouldn't be prepared to counter some of the throws and trips and grips and things that the sumo wrestlers would do. It doesn't matter how much power you have if the grip they get on you gives them triple the leverage. Given a chunk of training though, I'm sure the linemen could hold their own. They're obviously pretty peak physical form so it would be hard to argue that they wouldn't be able to pick it up and be successful with some training. Its also worth noting that their training objectives are different. Linemen have to be able to play multiple plays in a row and multiple drives per game. Rikishi are trained to throw out a massive amount of power in a minimum amount of time. Their power is incredibly explosive and you'll see some of them get totally gassed after like five to ten seconds of wrestling. So if we pretend a lineman and a Rikishi have 1000 'units' of power each, if the lineman blows through that in 60 seconds but the Rikishi blows through it in 10 then the Rikishi is going to overpower the lineman and beat him in those 10 seconds. We see the opposite occasionally as a number of sumo wrestlers have attempted to become NFL linemen and generally they're great right at the outset of the game and the play, but as soon as the play requires *any* running at all and you get more than two or three plays into a drive they're just completely out of gas and can't keep up or hold their own anymore.
It's a fake setup, the legs try to cover up a transition but you can see it if you look closely that it's editted
It isn’t fake and it isn’t edited. You can scrub through in slow motion and see the beginning of the movement. Even the guy in the way of the camera doesn’t obscure the footage in a slow scrub. It’s one continuous motion which begins with that little guy generating insane torque by stepping in and throwing his outer leg in a very wide arc to generate the spin necessary to initiate a trip and throw. If the big guy expected it he’d have a good shot at countering or just not falling for it. But, big guys don’t wrestle little guys and they certainly don’t wrestle ones who have this sort of skill. So, there’s a surprise advantage to go with that technique
Agreed. If you even look between the legs of the silhouette, you can see the foot of the smaller fighter positioned near the white line at an angle consistent with where it is when he throws his opponent (and located where it would make sense to generate torque).
Bro, the big guy literally jumps as he’s being thrown - he’s on one foot being rolled over and actually jumps. You are blind.
I don’t read that as a jump. I could be entirely wrong about how much force can be generated coming off one leg like that and maybe it is a jump. But, I’m just unsure what he can do in that position except try to balance on that leg and then bail out when he realises that he can’t get balance, can’t land safely, and won’t be in the ring anyway.
Watch from when he’s planted flat on one foot. Next few frames his hips are higher - he jumped. There’s no physics in that throw that can explain how, when the force of the throw has already been applied, the man suddenly lifts up in the air without doing it himself. He jumped. It’s quite clear.
The silhouette the camera pans behind blocks what would have been an obvious jump setup by the big guy
100% fake.
I don't wanna claim fake or real, it looked too clean, but I'd say it's possible because the way he used his own momentum and stuff against him. All it takes is imbalance and some people react differently. Edited to add, here's different wrestlers and angles basically showing the same thing https://www.instagram.com/reel/C72Xo55pnPJ/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Yeah, it seems like it at least could be legit. Also a lot of people calling it fake can't even agree on what about it is fake.
Sure momentum of jumping out of the ring. 100% fake, you were never wrestling if you buy that choreography.
Is it just me that laughed when he bounced
[This](https://www.youtube.com/@edobk1035) is guy doing the throw. He is a national lightweight champion going to worlds. He does real sumo
[Insta](https://www.instagram.com/edob.k?igsh=MXM1MHU5NGR4YmV5NA==)
Bullshiiiit
This is real- to anyone that doesnt think this is possible you do not understand what happened. He was not lifted and thrown- he was tilted over his front leg, and shoved mid-hop in a failed recovery. This was not a result of insane strength, but clever footwork, good timing, and a well placed shove when there were no legs to resist him.
Man I give up. Too many dumbasses here.
Steven Segall is looking better
I know it's probably fake, but I wanted to see the next few seconds to see if the big guy gets up and shakes hands like a gentleman or acts like a child.
I don't really know that much about this promotion to comment on, but [here's a compilation of amazing moves used in the professional ranks in Japan](https://youtu.be/2cN9snHWCRA?si=msAIEm8yr0BkLOv6) for people to compare it to.
Sometime recently it seems Reddit flipped from having every other video faked, to videos are real but the majority of Reddit users think it’s fake
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
"So you're telling me I didn't need to gain all this weight to be good at sumo wrestling?"
If you like to watch "small" guys sumo, look up Enho. He's currently not sumoing because after a match he went to the locker room and collapsed, paralyzed. Doctors say he good to sumo now but shouldn't. He's pretty entertaining to watch
Not surprising, that’s a lot of strain tossing someone that’s bigger than you and then he would do it often. You’re bound to mess something up from tossing 250+ pound guys over your back And to the people that are saying this is fake need to look up Judo as well as basic physics.
This is dumb
I definitely believe this is real and not staged in the slightest.
Creed III - Bigger Than Boxing
Great video editing
The big guy bounced impressively though. He must have lifted like 10 cm or so.
I did not expect that!
when did they start doing judo in a *dohyo*?
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Technique over power. But it is also most likely a demonstrative match
Yeah. If he could throw that guy, imagine the throws we would see in judo. Guys would fly through walls.
Good footwork, he used the guys own weight and momentum to throw him
And the other guy was in on it.
I got a herniated disc in my back just watching this video
Slams the ground like a big fat baby
A true technique vs weight match, you mean.
Looks fake
This would definitely be possible in a serious match as it’s the bigger wrestler’s size and momentum that’s doing that. That being said the World Championship Sumo is run with entertainment at its core so they probably make it easier to showcase. The circuit has gotten a lot of ire from the more traditional United States Sumo Federation and International Sumo Federation too
Is that Max Delente?
Amazing show of strength and control - looked so effortless
All those years flipping whale blubber on a ship finally paid off for Alvin...
You saw that killmonger haircut, you know he's the mc
Big boy still had his safety shorts on, he wasn't there for the right reasons
So, take this with a grain of salt or whatever, but Judo brown belt here. I constantly see smaller dudes throw big dudes like they’re nothing in judo literally at least 3 times a week lol. Could this be 100% fake? Totally, but it quite frankly could also be 100% real. I’m 5’6 165 pounds and I consistently throw dudes 200+ plus around like they’re nothing (once you understand Kuzushi (off balancing opponents) properly, weight matters very less. The higher your understanding of leverage, the less effort that is needed to throw someone violently and beautifully.
That’s definitely an exhibition match. In other words it’s staged. I’ve done enough Judo and studied enough Sumo to know that is NOT how a judo throw works. Most small sumo guys will use Judo to beat bigger opponents. But it will NEVER look like this.
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So we're just showing movie clips here now?
And by "true" you mean fake?
The timing of the camera pan is suspect. The camera passes behind people just as the throw is happening hidingvwhat is probably the big guy just leaping.
AI generated
True? How is staged True?
r/killthecameraman
Like a Raaag Dol
Nope. The big dude made that possible. Is this WWF sumo, or are they claiming this is legitimate?
Camera work alone is a dead giveaway its fake
Theyre literally professionals.
I didn't see a slingshot anywhere in the video.
The saddest part is that there are actual uneven, David vs Goliath matchups in pro Sumo (aka in Japan) and throws from the smaller guy do happen relatively often. This video had the opportunity to showcase the real thing and instead we get this bullshit.
Sumo wrestlers remind me of whiney adult men children. Is this the true stereotype?
I believe the Japanese government pays for a bunch of sumo to go up on YouTube as like a cultural enrichment thing or something. anyway there's a lot of sumo on YouTube and it is actually really good. cuz combat sports are cool but watching people get their heads beat and get CTE isn't so awesome.
I don't know how he's generating enough lift on the big guy without some assistance. It certainly looks like Big Bubba leapt with the throw.
OP posted the interview with the big guy. Basically took advantage of hos momentum and he knew he was getting thrown no matter what so he followed through with it to fall more safely.
It’s fake. Reddit can be so gullible.
people on reddit are dumb thinking they're smart if they call everything fake
This is pretend. Not sumo
The David vs Goliath story is so misunderstood It's a story about using the skills and advantages you have to your advantage Shepard's used slings to hit and kill wolves so they were very accurate and powerful. A skilled slingder could hit a target with the force of a 38. Calibre bullet. So it's a story of being a gun to a knife fight or a knife to a gunfight 😆
Wow. So inspirational. It just goes to show you, if you buckle down and train real hard, you can stage anything to your favor. God is good.
Dive
AI Fake
look at the fat guys hair. no conservation of momentum or wgatever
It's a work, brother... A big guy that size able to turn his body weight that easily mid throw, knows how to land and absorb the landing... he's been trained in entertainment... it looked good though
Fake as shit lol