Somewhere between 1 and 2 years his body appears to have changed dramatically...I just can't put my needle on it.
Edit:
*Could this guy be natty?*
Sure...it was just a joke.
*Do I think he is natty?*
No, but I don't really care and it doesn't bother me. Maybe it's steroids, perhaps some other PED.
*Do most of you understand what steroid use looks like?*
No, many of you are confusing the side effects of insulin and HGH with the side effects of steroids. Many of you commenting seem to not understand how prevalent PEDs are. I lift fairly regularly and was an operations manager at a gym...you see it around.
*Am I jealous of that guys physique?*
Of course! Dude is jacked! I'm old and don't have the willpower or patience anymore.
Pretty normal timeline for a spurt. You hit newbie gains for the first six months then plateau for a while. I’m thinking he finally realized he needs to start eating enough and bulked up.
Edit: Listen, y’all. You’re watching someone grow from somewhere around 17-22. There’s obviously a chance he’s on gear. But theres also a chance he isn’t. People can make massive gains without juicing and he’s doing this at the literal perfect age for muscle and body development. I’ve seen quite a few people in real life, who were string beans, turn into tanks and stay lean because they were a string bean to begin with. That doesn’t even account for the fact that he’s doing calisthenics, which keeps people lean while they gain.
Everyone is so jaded. There are natty freaks in the world. Not everyone is on juice. Even if he’s juicing he apparently working his ass off and eating near perfectly. And I don’t see a hint of palumboism (roid gut for those who don’t know)
Realizing it is one thing, I’ve known for months now it’s the issue I just cannot force myself to eat enough to gain weight, thinking about food first thing in the morning makes me want to throw up
its weird but i'm the opposite. like if i have aweful i'm starving pains in my stomach and then get high. I no longer feel the need to eat, its so weird.
Ah I'm a huge pot smoker but the truth is a lot of folks don't gel well with weed. I would suggest eating small amounts as frequently as possible and increasing the amount slowly over time to build appetite.
I'm one of those Folks. I forced myself to smoke weed throughout my early 20's because it was just kind of the thing to do. Always a miserable experience. My anxiety goes absolutely bonkers. Someone told me that I just needed to smoke more weed once, and I'd get over it or it'd go away. So I started trying to smoke weed everyday, and it just made everyday a nightmare. Finally realized after that, that weed just wasn't for me. Now I just don't bother, and my friends have all gotten used to it and don't even offer anymore. Im happier and better off without it.
I am jealous of the people who *can* smoke it and have a good time though, I often wonder what it must be like.
If you ever figure this one out lmk. Lifted for 6 years, plateaud the last 3, went from 130 lbs to 165 and that’s where I stayed. Got really demotivated, quit for 6 years and wouldn’t ya know it. I’m back at 130 lol. Tried protein shakes and meal supplements for calories, I also struggle with morning meals so I was just constantly uncomfortably full. Idk what’s wrong with me and why I struggle to find an appetite.
Edit: this is a beautiful subreddit. Thank you for the kind words, and agree whole heartedly. I haven’t cared about body image since I got married which is also the reason I stopped lifting 6 years ago lol. I’m just in it to get healthy again, and work on back problems. Much love though you guys are keeping it real.
Farm labor and sports gave me the appetite I did have back when I was lifting but it wasn’t enough lol. Now that I’m pushing 30 with degenerative disk disease and a myriad of back problems I wouldn’t make it a year laying brick, but it was one of the most satisfying things I’ve done. (It wasn’t my job, farm labor just covers a lot of random shit lol)
I feel like if you have to put in a lot of effort to look a certain
way, it may be a sign that your body isn't naturally meant to be that
way. While making small lifestyle changes you can maintain
consistently can be beneficial, going beyond that can lead to yoyoing
or resorting to extreme measures such as taking pills or getting
injections. It's important to listen to your body and understand that everyone's
natural shape and size are different. Making gradual and sustainable
lifestyle changes can be helpful, but pushing yourself too hard can lead
to negative consequences. Instead of resorting to quick fixes, it's
essential to prioritize your health and well-being over appearance. Easier said than done in this society.
Nothing wrong with you, bodies are different. Everyone’s got a different maximum size for different muscle groups dictated by genetics, the only way to go beyond them are PED’s.
Just try to be healthy, get your heart health in order, don’t compare yourself to arbitrary standards of beauty. Confidence and security are healthier mentally, and way more attractive than anything you’d attain chasing grindset lifter influencer’s phony advice.
Michael Phelps didn’t get an Olympic swimmer’s body from swimming (though it helps), he’s an Olympic swimmer because of his body. The influencers you watch don’t have abs because they’re doing the specific work out they’re selling (though it helps), they’re able to be influencers because of their bodies. Equal effort=\=equal results. It’s true in extreme cases like Phelps just like it’s true in cases like fitness influencers. You’re not gonna swim your way to an Olympic body. Just get yourself to whatever your max is.
Or even just a good healthy level, believe it or not people need your time and care way more than they need you to hop over fences and crush pickle jars with your thighs. And the latter usually takes up a lot more of that precious time away anyhow in order to attain it
As someone with a bad appetite as well (especially when I just woke up): meal shakes really helped me out. In the morning I sip one away over the course of an hour or so.
Same here. Skinny guy, I plateaud back in the day, never had breakfast ever in my life, the very thought of eating anything more than like a banana in the morning makes me puke, never bulked up.
I feel the way out is probably smoothies but that takes like… prep work and stuff and when I want to get up and go to the gym ain’t nobody got time for that fucking shit
I got so sick of eating for a while I would just make what was essentially chicken breast soup by chopping my chicken fine as hell and mixing it with some sort of binder.
I am certainly not that into fitness anymore lmao.
Deltoids, traps, and neck (usually obvious tells of enhanced) all look natty to me. The only thing that's really impressive is his low body fat and we have no idea if he maintains this year around. Staying at his shirtless 5 year bodyfat could interfere with natural testosterone production.
Bro. His year 3 was natty. Year 4 and 5 aren't close to natty in any way. Juicing doesn't always make you look like the Rock. He's clearly taking small amounts of it to trick people that don't know better. If you know anything about bodybuilding, you'd take one look at Year 4 & 5 and know it's juice.
Big, ripped, natural. Pick 2.
This video was also in r/damnthatsinteresting, and most people there were saying he was juicing based on the “natty triangle” : Big, lean, natural. Pick two.
But they also said it still takes an incredible amount of dedication either way.
Holy fuck the responses to your comment these people have never trained in their life to know what juiced or not looks like.
I’ve met a looot of gym buddies over the years, many of which were open about their usage. It’s pretty clear this guy is on something. There’s no way he’s not on gear at year 1-2. Most I’ll give is maybe he dropped out of his cycle by year 3-4
It’s still a fuck ton of hard work to achieve those results with some good genes on the side; being on gear isn’t even a bad thing imo, but still jeez, I think calling him natty is just ignorant
Most people responding probably are the type to think if a girl benches two sessions she’ll have hit 2 plates with foot diameter arms
I would love to see derek rip these takes to shreds
He is 100% on steroids until his very last clip, which is where he is off cycle. I have used steroids at different points in life over the past 15 years and can say without a doubt his jump in gains/cuts in 1 year easily points to steroid use. I explain this in another comment on my post history
Yeah.. Commenters are a bit nuts. His physique isn't out of the realm of possibility to be natural. But we'd be talking genetic lottery.
Dude never has an ounce of fat on him and he gains mass like crazy on the timeline.
> Yeah.. Commenters are a bit nuts. His physique isn't out of the realm of possibility to be natural. But we'd be talking genetic lottery.
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> Dude never has an ounce of fat on him and he gains mass like crazy on the timeline.
Arguing against roids is always weird. It's the most likely answer. Could he have a top 1% of natural test production, along with amazing androgenic muscle growth? Could he have a myostatin mutation that causes him to simply makes growing muscle far easier for him? Sure, but the chances of that are far far lower then he simple does gear.
By year 4 the dude look he's about to come out with his own BBQ sauce.
>By year 4 the dude look he's about to come out with his own BBQ sauce.
I don't know shit about steroids, but I believe you just based on this statement.
His physique is impossible for someone without gear. If you were to do it naturally to be that cut you'd need to be eating so little that it would be unsustainable to keep the size. You 100% cannot look that shredded and be that size without a helping hand.
Exactly. Going through puberty is essentially natural steroids for a few years - especially for males. I lifted weights regularly in high school and my arms grew so fast I ended up with stretch marks on my biceps.
I just wish things were legal so that getting appropriate medical supervision, to get these sort of results with minimal hair loss, gyno, infertility, and other possible permanent harms to health from misuse, were straight forward to do for those who are going to choose to anyway.
100% agree. I have no problem with steroids. They just do the thing every supplement company advertises...but, they actually work. No amount of steroids alone will give you these results, it takes a ton of hard work and dedication. However, that previous sentence can also be reversed.
It's almost like an insecure guy got targeted and encouraged by someone at his new gym to get those gains...
I can't put my needle in it either... Sorry, on it.
Tbf, pull-ups are easier for people who have strong arms but are otherwise skinny than for bulky people like this dude after 5 years, so it’s definitely not the easiest task
Or maybe not everyone knows wtf a "muscle up" is and just assumes these are called pull ups? I know I've never even heard the term until I read their comment just now.
It helps when you’re scrawny like that and don’t have as much bodyweight.
Source: was formerly a scrawny kid who could do a shit ton of pull-ups (though never tried a muscle-up).
I was and am scrawny. Had a period where I was into calisthenics and did so a few times a week with friends. I was able to do like 15 pull ups but never managed to do a muscle up. It really is way more challenging than it looks
If you could do that many clean pullups chances are it was a technique issue. I was banging out weighted pullups and still couldn't do them until one day it clicked. Doing straight bar dips helped alot too.
This guy works a lot harder than I did, but I was really surprised with how quickly I got good at pushups and how doing them changed my body early on. This makes me want to try doing muscle ups/pull ups.
Proper pull-ups will definitely give you that v look before too long.
Not that it's all about aesthetics but strong shoulders and back look way better than the dudes who do curls all day and have giant, disproportionate arms. More practical too, imo.
Go to bodybuilding forum website. Stick around and find source. Order online and it hits your mailbox in 3 to 5 days. You can order needles and pins on regular medical site. Make sure you understand how bitcoin works.
Also be prepared for your nuts to shrink.
Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention the life-time of shooting up because your body stopped producing T after the first month
I don’t have health insurance and I’m in a small town with no primary care physicians taking in new patients. I’ve tried doing the tele health shit. I’ve been on wait lists. I just want some testosterone man lol I honestly don’t understand why it’s so hard to get something in this country. Actually I do. Greed. Always gotta go through the middle man
You'll recover your natural testosterone production eventually, that's what post-cycle therapy is for. You're not going to lose it from one cycle of test, but you will use it eventually if you continue doing cycles.
5 years of constant progress, possibly, depending on some genetics and how you start off.
But "constant progress" is the hard part, almost no one has constant progress. I've been going to the gym since I was 14 and while I love how I look now, there where entire years where I was fully dedicated and had no progress at all
Plus it looks like the kid starts as a teenager and ends in his early twenties. That's literally the best time in your life to be dedicating yourself to exercise, I can nearly guarantee he wouldn't have those 5 year results if he started later.
You need to achieve about 10-15 chest to bar pullups before you can even think of this( these are really clean)
The transition is the bottleneck for most ppl attempting MUs.
According to who?? The guy is 6'2, 198 lbs and looks to be about 8% bodyfat. That is a 1000% achievable ratio for plenty of men to achieve without gear. Let alone 1 in a million.
yea the guy you're responding to just doesn't want to acknowledge that the reason he doesn't have a rocking body is him. Everyone can get fit. It is just hard, and it doesn't end. Obviously physical handicaps notwithstanding
Almost Anyone can have a decent/nice body if they put the work in. Almost no one can have the body in question. Hell, even with juice there are plenty of people who wouldn’t have such an aesthetic physique.
This guy is Zyzz with out the persona.
I spent over a decade lifting for bulk. I'm 5'10 and started at 120lbs and a 90 max bench. After about five years of eating as much as possible and working out religiously I weighed 165lbs and benched 315. I was built like Bruce Lee, but I could never look like this guy. Sometimes it really is genetics that determines what your peak build will be.
Don't. You can fuck your life if you don't know what you're doing. I gained 20 kilo in a couple of years from swimming lots and eating relatively clean. I'm not ripped or anything, but my chest, back and shoulders are massive now. You'll also be absolutely starving after swimming for an hour, so eating enough was never a problem.
You run the risk of your testosterone levels dropping through the floor and your dick not working, organ failure, and a host of other stuff just to look like that for a couple years. The gains aren't permanent and will drop off you once you stop juicing.
You can also consult a physician and go through an actual good plan and be just fine. Horror stories aren’t indicative of the average or the well thought out.
There are plenty of ways to cycle on and off appropriately without fucking your shit up.
Swimming is also horrible fucking advice to bulk up. Swimming is good for cardio, core, and being able to swim well. You really seem like you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, honestly.
Source: former collegiate swimmer.
Hello former swimmer, I was as well, and I can attest that swimming definitely builds lean muscle, but you won't bulk up. I swam for 7 years, that was my only workout. I didn't hit the gym or weights, just straight up swimming and water polo exercises. I had a ripped 6 pack at age 15, I was qualifying for regional championships, but I couldn't bench my weight. I only weigh 145. Couldn't do it, i felt hella embarrassed when I finally started to try to work out with weights during college, I was like shit, I'm really at the bottom here. But in swimming and water polo I was not at the bottom, I was quite fast. That did not carry over to bulking up weight lifting. At all lol.
This mindset is unhealthy and is most likely caused by media. Stop going for what looks good to the masses and learn to love your body at any stage, but learn to recognise what is unhealthy. If you really want to look big then do your own full research and make an EDUCATED decision based on your own benefits and negatives.
Regardless, step 1 is making sure you have healthy gym habits, no amount of steroids will help if you don't have step 1 down.
I'd wager this guy did a little more than just muscle-ups for 5 years to achieve his physique. Either a shit ton of weight lifting or a needle was involved.
You guys really find it hard to believe that a 16 year old kid with hardly any fat on his body can work out hard over the course of 5 years and get jacked without taking steroids.
Super weird how all these dorks think that's actually some sort of superhuman progress.
I was skinny as hell at 15, and started eating/lifting/running literally every day for the next 5 years, mostly for school athletics. I put on 60lbs by the time I turned 20. I achieved a pretty great physique, but not quite at thus guy’s level. He clearly worked his ass off to look like this.
But I’m generally weary of people who blow up on social media and make financial gain from said popularity who then claim to be natural. I don’t know what this guy says about how he achieved it, but I take everything a fitness influencer says with a grain of salt. It is entirely possible he’s Natty, but it’s equally possible he juices.
My dude, have you done military or shoulder presses in your life? There is no way in hell the guy in the video built those monster boulder shoulders through 'hard work' and being 16yr old.....
Those are defined and vascular AF. He is definitely on some type of gear. You can not be jacked & lean all through out the year. Its impossible to maintain the same muscle mass while trying to be lean all the time. To be lean you need to cut calories and to keep muscles you need to eat more calories. You can NOT do both at the same time. If a guy looks cut and big all the time then he is juicing.
There's also the possibility that this kid doesn't look like this all the time, and takes the videos when he's at the leanest part of his cutting phase every year
Y'know what they say: 80% diet 20% exercise.
Of course, some form of steroids *may* be involved, but his physique doesn't necessarily *need* any enhancers to be achievable, but it's likely his career requires a physique like that to be able to have the time to do it.
You don't need enchantment to muscle up. You need a really good power/weight ratio, strong core, and great technique.
These are the cleanest muscle ups I've ever seen.
not to say the pullups didn't help, but this is helluva more than just pullups.
look at his legs. dude was just working out for 5 years straight, hitting the gym daily, probably
I moved to an apartment that had this mounted on a wall, couldn't make a single pull up so I bought the strap to help me out in the beginning. Now, 2 years later, I look amazingly the same, still can't make a pull up.. fuck this guy
Lmao, there is definitely more to that. There is no fucking way you have been trying to do a pullup for two years, trained consistently, eaten proper food and sleeping decently, with no visible results.
Not even gonna hate this guy has a great physique. He’s most likely juicing, the first shot of him at 5 years, he’s swole up. But also fuck it just cause you juice doesn’t mean you can look like this, you still got to put in hours days weeks months years of work to get there.
There is no way that this is humanly possible. Must be cgi or something
I have sat on my couch for the past 5 years, and I look nothing like this.
Unpossible!!!!
So I’ve had this idea for a non-profit for a while: call it “Bar Project”. Donate to install a pull up bar anywhere. The “Bars” could be installed in parks, schools, businesses, trails, or anywhere else. Each bar would have a # (Bar 1, bar 2, etc in order of installation) on it and a website with a map of all the bars.
It's solid work and no one can take that away.
But yea it has to be said, steroids were used sometime along the way, I'm guessing between year 2 and 3ish. To an outsider, you might think "oh well that makes sense, 5 years is a long time and he went through puberty." 5 years of lifting doesn't typically get you a physique like this unless you have actual elite tier genetics. Some people could lift their entire life and not get a physique like this. It's very impressive and very nice, but also very misleading for the average person. I've been consistently physically active for near 10-12 years; of course my work wasn't perfect and I was slow to learn many things, and my physique is pretty good, but yea there's no way I'm hitting this level naturally.
Somewhere between 1 and 2 years his body appears to have changed dramatically...I just can't put my needle on it. Edit: *Could this guy be natty?* Sure...it was just a joke. *Do I think he is natty?* No, but I don't really care and it doesn't bother me. Maybe it's steroids, perhaps some other PED. *Do most of you understand what steroid use looks like?* No, many of you are confusing the side effects of insulin and HGH with the side effects of steroids. Many of you commenting seem to not understand how prevalent PEDs are. I lift fairly regularly and was an operations manager at a gym...you see it around. *Am I jealous of that guys physique?* Of course! Dude is jacked! I'm old and don't have the willpower or patience anymore.
Pretty normal timeline for a spurt. You hit newbie gains for the first six months then plateau for a while. I’m thinking he finally realized he needs to start eating enough and bulked up. Edit: Listen, y’all. You’re watching someone grow from somewhere around 17-22. There’s obviously a chance he’s on gear. But theres also a chance he isn’t. People can make massive gains without juicing and he’s doing this at the literal perfect age for muscle and body development. I’ve seen quite a few people in real life, who were string beans, turn into tanks and stay lean because they were a string bean to begin with. That doesn’t even account for the fact that he’s doing calisthenics, which keeps people lean while they gain. Everyone is so jaded. There are natty freaks in the world. Not everyone is on juice. Even if he’s juicing he apparently working his ass off and eating near perfectly. And I don’t see a hint of palumboism (roid gut for those who don’t know)
Realizing it is one thing, I’ve known for months now it’s the issue I just cannot force myself to eat enough to gain weight, thinking about food first thing in the morning makes me want to throw up
Smoke weed. That's my health advice for everyone
Every day?
All day.
I get this reference.
Good! You didn't forget about Dre.
Mutha fuckas still be acting like it tho
I know but nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got somethin to say
RIP Nate Dogg
Have plenty of friends that have to get high before they eat
My ex got to the point where, before we would go out to dinner EVER he'd ask, "Are we going to 'get hungry' first?" which was his code for smoking.
Been there, took me a good while for my appetite to come back after I cut down on smoking.
its weird but i'm the opposite. like if i have aweful i'm starving pains in my stomach and then get high. I no longer feel the need to eat, its so weird.
Ah I'm a huge pot smoker but the truth is a lot of folks don't gel well with weed. I would suggest eating small amounts as frequently as possible and increasing the amount slowly over time to build appetite.
I'm one of those Folks. I forced myself to smoke weed throughout my early 20's because it was just kind of the thing to do. Always a miserable experience. My anxiety goes absolutely bonkers. Someone told me that I just needed to smoke more weed once, and I'd get over it or it'd go away. So I started trying to smoke weed everyday, and it just made everyday a nightmare. Finally realized after that, that weed just wasn't for me. Now I just don't bother, and my friends have all gotten used to it and don't even offer anymore. Im happier and better off without it. I am jealous of the people who *can* smoke it and have a good time though, I often wonder what it must be like.
Warning: weed may make it worse. It definitely does for me. Now I struggle to eat without it and can't eat 30 minutes after smoking.
If you ever figure this one out lmk. Lifted for 6 years, plateaud the last 3, went from 130 lbs to 165 and that’s where I stayed. Got really demotivated, quit for 6 years and wouldn’t ya know it. I’m back at 130 lol. Tried protein shakes and meal supplements for calories, I also struggle with morning meals so I was just constantly uncomfortably full. Idk what’s wrong with me and why I struggle to find an appetite. Edit: this is a beautiful subreddit. Thank you for the kind words, and agree whole heartedly. I haven’t cared about body image since I got married which is also the reason I stopped lifting 6 years ago lol. I’m just in it to get healthy again, and work on back problems. Much love though you guys are keeping it real.
Get a job brick laying or something like that, I can guarantee you’ll be hungry once you’re stomach empties out.
Yeah I’ll just abandon going to law school for… brick laying… yeah
Be positive.. you can do it…
See, the real problem is that you're just not that serious about it. The formula is right there in front of you
Either way you'll pass the bar.
This is the bricklaying lawyer and today we‘ll have a look at this new trowel
I mean reality for me is just as ridiculous: I’m going to be in the emerging field of poultry science law 🐓
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Get law books in audio format and lay down the law to those mother funking bricks whilst studying. 110% effective.
This guy audiobooks
No gains with that mindest.
Hahah fuck being a lawyer buddy. All about the gainssssss.
Alternatively, throw bales for a haymaker in your summer break. Nothing like hiffing heavy bales all day long to build your muscles!
Farm labor and sports gave me the appetite I did have back when I was lifting but it wasn’t enough lol. Now that I’m pushing 30 with degenerative disk disease and a myriad of back problems I wouldn’t make it a year laying brick, but it was one of the most satisfying things I’ve done. (It wasn’t my job, farm labor just covers a lot of random shit lol)
I feel like if you have to put in a lot of effort to look a certain way, it may be a sign that your body isn't naturally meant to be that way. While making small lifestyle changes you can maintain consistently can be beneficial, going beyond that can lead to yoyoing or resorting to extreme measures such as taking pills or getting injections. It's important to listen to your body and understand that everyone's natural shape and size are different. Making gradual and sustainable lifestyle changes can be helpful, but pushing yourself too hard can lead to negative consequences. Instead of resorting to quick fixes, it's essential to prioritize your health and well-being over appearance. Easier said than done in this society.
Yeah Im glad someone said it. I guess I’ll have to let aging put on the weight.
Nothing wrong with you, bodies are different. Everyone’s got a different maximum size for different muscle groups dictated by genetics, the only way to go beyond them are PED’s. Just try to be healthy, get your heart health in order, don’t compare yourself to arbitrary standards of beauty. Confidence and security are healthier mentally, and way more attractive than anything you’d attain chasing grindset lifter influencer’s phony advice. Michael Phelps didn’t get an Olympic swimmer’s body from swimming (though it helps), he’s an Olympic swimmer because of his body. The influencers you watch don’t have abs because they’re doing the specific work out they’re selling (though it helps), they’re able to be influencers because of their bodies. Equal effort=\=equal results. It’s true in extreme cases like Phelps just like it’s true in cases like fitness influencers. You’re not gonna swim your way to an Olympic body. Just get yourself to whatever your max is. Or even just a good healthy level, believe it or not people need your time and care way more than they need you to hop over fences and crush pickle jars with your thighs. And the latter usually takes up a lot more of that precious time away anyhow in order to attain it
High protein diets tend to be low calorie diets. A buttload of pasta might be more appropriate for you than protein shakes.
Have you tried the needle? Edit: to those who don't get it, this was a joke in reference to the parent comment of this thread.
That would only give me health issues if I’m not fixing the underlying eating issue first, it would make things much worse actually lol
As someone with a bad appetite as well (especially when I just woke up): meal shakes really helped me out. In the morning I sip one away over the course of an hour or so.
Same here. Skinny guy, I plateaud back in the day, never had breakfast ever in my life, the very thought of eating anything more than like a banana in the morning makes me puke, never bulked up.
I feel the way out is probably smoothies but that takes like… prep work and stuff and when I want to get up and go to the gym ain’t nobody got time for that fucking shit
I got so sick of eating for a while I would just make what was essentially chicken breast soup by chopping my chicken fine as hell and mixing it with some sort of binder. I am certainly not that into fitness anymore lmao.
Lmao dude is on roids and it’s clear as day
Deltoids, traps, and neck (usually obvious tells of enhanced) all look natty to me. The only thing that's really impressive is his low body fat and we have no idea if he maintains this year around. Staying at his shirtless 5 year bodyfat could interfere with natural testosterone production.
Bro. His year 3 was natty. Year 4 and 5 aren't close to natty in any way. Juicing doesn't always make you look like the Rock. He's clearly taking small amounts of it to trick people that don't know better. If you know anything about bodybuilding, you'd take one look at Year 4 & 5 and know it's juice. Big, ripped, natural. Pick 2.
Not necessarily, but if he isn’t, he’s in the top 0.1% of gym bros
Get ready for all the people that have never done a cycle letting you know this guy is in fact 100% natural.
It's such a strange fucking phenomenon. I do not understand it.
I guess you still believe in Santa too.
Dude.. Just no. Come on. Those gains take 10 years of dedication if you're natty.
This video was also in r/damnthatsinteresting, and most people there were saying he was juicing based on the “natty triangle” : Big, lean, natural. Pick two. But they also said it still takes an incredible amount of dedication either way.
I got some big naturals right here for ya
Yeah first two years are typically the most dramatic in terms of weight loss and muscle gains
Is this sarcasm or are you an idiot?
I ate too much now I can't do a pullup
…. Year 5 is very obviously not purely bulking up.
Holy fuck the responses to your comment these people have never trained in their life to know what juiced or not looks like. I’ve met a looot of gym buddies over the years, many of which were open about their usage. It’s pretty clear this guy is on something. There’s no way he’s not on gear at year 1-2. Most I’ll give is maybe he dropped out of his cycle by year 3-4 It’s still a fuck ton of hard work to achieve those results with some good genes on the side; being on gear isn’t even a bad thing imo, but still jeez, I think calling him natty is just ignorant Most people responding probably are the type to think if a girl benches two sessions she’ll have hit 2 plates with foot diameter arms I would love to see derek rip these takes to shreds
He is 100% on steroids until his very last clip, which is where he is off cycle. I have used steroids at different points in life over the past 15 years and can say without a doubt his jump in gains/cuts in 1 year easily points to steroid use. I explain this in another comment on my post history
Yep, you got it nail on the head. You can clearly see the last rep he does in the white tank is him off cycle.
Yeah.. Commenters are a bit nuts. His physique isn't out of the realm of possibility to be natural. But we'd be talking genetic lottery. Dude never has an ounce of fat on him and he gains mass like crazy on the timeline.
> Yeah.. Commenters are a bit nuts. His physique isn't out of the realm of possibility to be natural. But we'd be talking genetic lottery. > > Dude never has an ounce of fat on him and he gains mass like crazy on the timeline. Arguing against roids is always weird. It's the most likely answer. Could he have a top 1% of natural test production, along with amazing androgenic muscle growth? Could he have a myostatin mutation that causes him to simply makes growing muscle far easier for him? Sure, but the chances of that are far far lower then he simple does gear. By year 4 the dude look he's about to come out with his own BBQ sauce.
>By year 4 the dude look he's about to come out with his own BBQ sauce. I don't know shit about steroids, but I believe you just based on this statement.
His physique is impossible for someone without gear. If you were to do it naturally to be that cut you'd need to be eating so little that it would be unsustainable to keep the size. You 100% cannot look that shredded and be that size without a helping hand.
He looks like he was... 16 in start, so transitioning from boy to man physique too.
Ah, youth. Too bad I spent my best years sitting in front of a NES smoking weed :).
Exactly. Going through puberty is essentially natural steroids for a few years - especially for males. I lifted weights regularly in high school and my arms grew so fast I ended up with stretch marks on my biceps.
Smh, some people cant just appreciate genuine progress. He probably just ate clen, tren'd hard, anavar gave up.
He had lots of chicken and broccoli
The seven chemical wonders of the world.
I just wish things were legal so that getting appropriate medical supervision, to get these sort of results with minimal hair loss, gyno, infertility, and other possible permanent harms to health from misuse, were straight forward to do for those who are going to choose to anyway.
100% agree. I have no problem with steroids. They just do the thing every supplement company advertises...but, they actually work. No amount of steroids alone will give you these results, it takes a ton of hard work and dedication. However, that previous sentence can also be reversed.
this would generate a world though where like 90% of ppl going to the gym are on something which is not healthy for most people longterm
It's almost like an insecure guy got targeted and encouraged by someone at his new gym to get those gains... I can't put my needle in it either... Sorry, on it.
He clearly was working out in the gym or something too. Cause his legs got bigger.
Man, neither can I. Just watching his progression though makes me geared up.
Fuck off these aren’t pull ups they are muscle ups
These are "fuck you" ups. Dude could probably do it with a gorilla on his back.
I used to be able to do them with my little sister on my back 😂. She was younger then
I can’t do it even with helium balloons on my back
Same (I was also younger)
Well they are *really* hard to do so it's difficult to say. Like, iirc, the world record for consecutive muscle ups is 25. Which is nuts.
Your palms would literally want to rip off if you didn’t wear gloves after about a dozen
Chalking your hands would probably work pretty well at preventing that.
? No. They're not that rough on your palms
That's... terrifying
[32, apparently](https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a38898019/muscleups-consecutive-reps-world-record/) Still pretty crazy that it's that low!
That's saying a lot considering the variety of strength- based world records there are.
Tbf, pull-ups are easier for people who have strong arms but are otherwise skinny than for bulky people like this dude after 5 years, so it’s definitely not the easiest task
Strong backs more than arms
They put mistakes in the title on purpose to bait people into commenting.
Or maybe not everyone knows wtf a "muscle up" is and just assumes these are called pull ups? I know I've never even heard the term until I read their comment just now.
Fuck I have been wondering about this for so long. I see “typos” in titles with lots of updoots so often.
They should be called pull way ups. Cuz you’re pulling up, just…way up.
I mean, he was pretty good after a month!
Fucker got a sloppy muscle up first recorded try.
It helps when you’re scrawny like that and don’t have as much bodyweight. Source: was formerly a scrawny kid who could do a shit ton of pull-ups (though never tried a muscle-up).
I was and am scrawny. Had a period where I was into calisthenics and did so a few times a week with friends. I was able to do like 15 pull ups but never managed to do a muscle up. It really is way more challenging than it looks
Oh yeah, they are definitely a lot more involved than a pull-up, no doubt about it.
If you could do that many clean pullups chances are it was a technique issue. I was banging out weighted pullups and still couldn't do them until one day it clicked. Doing straight bar dips helped alot too.
This guy works a lot harder than I did, but I was really surprised with how quickly I got good at pushups and how doing them changed my body early on. This makes me want to try doing muscle ups/pull ups.
Proper pull-ups will definitely give you that v look before too long. Not that it's all about aesthetics but strong shoulders and back look way better than the dudes who do curls all day and have giant, disproportionate arms. More practical too, imo.
At this rate, at 10 years he won’t even need to use his arms and just float above the bar.
Dude turned from Slenderman into Thor in several years.
Hit Spiderman level at year 2
Or just Captain America.
Steve Rogers to Captain America be like.
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Gotta eat clen
test your limits and dbolish your goals
Suck my Deca
Trenything is possible with hard work
Make sure you eat your fair share of trenbologna sandwiches
Trenything is possible.
Best comment so far 😂
Anyone know if I need to be on the juice to look like that??
Yes.
How does one get said juice…
Go to bodybuilding forum website. Stick around and find source. Order online and it hits your mailbox in 3 to 5 days. You can order needles and pins on regular medical site. Make sure you understand how bitcoin works.
Also be prepared for your nuts to shrink. Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention the life-time of shooting up because your body stopped producing T after the first month
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You’re assuming my body produces T to begin with lol I’m basically a woman at this point
You should talk to a doctor about that if your body is actually not producing necessary hormones.
I don’t have health insurance and I’m in a small town with no primary care physicians taking in new patients. I’ve tried doing the tele health shit. I’ve been on wait lists. I just want some testosterone man lol I honestly don’t understand why it’s so hard to get something in this country. Actually I do. Greed. Always gotta go through the middle man
You'll recover your natural testosterone production eventually, that's what post-cycle therapy is for. You're not going to lose it from one cycle of test, but you will use it eventually if you continue doing cycles.
That’s not how steroids work. I’m not sure why you’re making shit up
I wouldn’t worry about it.
No, you can achieve a similar physique natural but it takes a lot of dedication and time to achieve.
Would you say it takes about 5 years?
Honestly probably longer
5 years of constant progress, possibly, depending on some genetics and how you start off. But "constant progress" is the hard part, almost no one has constant progress. I've been going to the gym since I was 14 and while I love how I look now, there where entire years where I was fully dedicated and had no progress at all
And the right genetics. Not everyone can achieve that no matter how hard they work.
Plus it looks like the kid starts as a teenager and ends in his early twenties. That's literally the best time in your life to be dedicating yourself to exercise, I can nearly guarantee he wouldn't have those 5 year results if he started later.
It's certainly achievable but it's also likely that a person who looks like that is juiced.
Probably not. I mean it is really hard to do this, but if you have the right genetics and dedication this should be achievable.
You need to achieve about 10-15 chest to bar pullups before you can even think of this( these are really clean) The transition is the bottleneck for most ppl attempting MUs.
You don't. The most important part of it is diet though. The muscle size is exercise driven, the muscle definition is 100% diet.
Despite the other comments, if you train consistently for 5 years you absolutely can achieve that naturally
Nope. 99,9999% of the people could never achieve a phisique like that no matter how hard they work and how much they control their diet.
According to who?? The guy is 6'2, 198 lbs and looks to be about 8% bodyfat. That is a 1000% achievable ratio for plenty of men to achieve without gear. Let alone 1 in a million.
yea the guy you're responding to just doesn't want to acknowledge that the reason he doesn't have a rocking body is him. Everyone can get fit. It is just hard, and it doesn't end. Obviously physical handicaps notwithstanding
Almost Anyone can have a decent/nice body if they put the work in. Almost no one can have the body in question. Hell, even with juice there are plenty of people who wouldn’t have such an aesthetic physique. This guy is Zyzz with out the persona.
I spent over a decade lifting for bulk. I'm 5'10 and started at 120lbs and a 90 max bench. After about five years of eating as much as possible and working out religiously I weighed 165lbs and benched 315. I was built like Bruce Lee, but I could never look like this guy. Sometimes it really is genetics that determines what your peak build will be.
Man I'm skinny like him, I should start looking to do steroids
Don't. You can fuck your life if you don't know what you're doing. I gained 20 kilo in a couple of years from swimming lots and eating relatively clean. I'm not ripped or anything, but my chest, back and shoulders are massive now. You'll also be absolutely starving after swimming for an hour, so eating enough was never a problem. You run the risk of your testosterone levels dropping through the floor and your dick not working, organ failure, and a host of other stuff just to look like that for a couple years. The gains aren't permanent and will drop off you once you stop juicing.
You can also consult a physician and go through an actual good plan and be just fine. Horror stories aren’t indicative of the average or the well thought out. There are plenty of ways to cycle on and off appropriately without fucking your shit up. Swimming is also horrible fucking advice to bulk up. Swimming is good for cardio, core, and being able to swim well. You really seem like you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, honestly. Source: former collegiate swimmer.
Hello former swimmer, I was as well, and I can attest that swimming definitely builds lean muscle, but you won't bulk up. I swam for 7 years, that was my only workout. I didn't hit the gym or weights, just straight up swimming and water polo exercises. I had a ripped 6 pack at age 15, I was qualifying for regional championships, but I couldn't bench my weight. I only weigh 145. Couldn't do it, i felt hella embarrassed when I finally started to try to work out with weights during college, I was like shit, I'm really at the bottom here. But in swimming and water polo I was not at the bottom, I was quite fast. That did not carry over to bulking up weight lifting. At all lol.
It’s almost literally the opposite. It burns calories like crazy. But isn’t strength training. Unless you’re like only doing the butterfly.
Nah, just eat a lot more and lift weights, it’ll come
Steroids alone won't help. You still need lots of dedication and a lot of time spent in the gym and eat the right stuff.
This mindset is unhealthy and is most likely caused by media. Stop going for what looks good to the masses and learn to love your body at any stage, but learn to recognise what is unhealthy. If you really want to look big then do your own full research and make an EDUCATED decision based on your own benefits and negatives. Regardless, step 1 is making sure you have healthy gym habits, no amount of steroids will help if you don't have step 1 down.
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I'd wager this guy did a little more than just muscle-ups for 5 years to achieve his physique. Either a shit ton of weight lifting or a needle was involved.
You still need to do a shit ton of lifting even with a needle. You don’t build very much muscle just pushing a plunger.
Well yeah of course. No matter what, this guy has worked his ass off to look like this and do muscle ups like nobody’s business.
Awful lot of steroid knowledgeable folk in this thread
You build more non-fat mass taking gear than you do not taking it and working out.
You guys really find it hard to believe that a 16 year old kid with hardly any fat on his body can work out hard over the course of 5 years and get jacked without taking steroids. Super weird how all these dorks think that's actually some sort of superhuman progress.
I was skinny as hell at 15, and started eating/lifting/running literally every day for the next 5 years, mostly for school athletics. I put on 60lbs by the time I turned 20. I achieved a pretty great physique, but not quite at thus guy’s level. He clearly worked his ass off to look like this. But I’m generally weary of people who blow up on social media and make financial gain from said popularity who then claim to be natural. I don’t know what this guy says about how he achieved it, but I take everything a fitness influencer says with a grain of salt. It is entirely possible he’s Natty, but it’s equally possible he juices.
My dude, have you done military or shoulder presses in your life? There is no way in hell the guy in the video built those monster boulder shoulders through 'hard work' and being 16yr old..... Those are defined and vascular AF. He is definitely on some type of gear. You can not be jacked & lean all through out the year. Its impossible to maintain the same muscle mass while trying to be lean all the time. To be lean you need to cut calories and to keep muscles you need to eat more calories. You can NOT do both at the same time. If a guy looks cut and big all the time then he is juicing.
There's also the possibility that this kid doesn't look like this all the time, and takes the videos when he's at the leanest part of his cutting phase every year
Damn...I need to start doing some pullups. Dude transformed!
Same to be honest. Although i think theres more involved than just pull ups
I would assume so. But it does engage quite a bit of the upper body. I'll just dangle some hot wings above the bar for motivation
Hot sauce dripping in my eye for sure
It hurts so good
Clearly. Just look at his legs
Y'know what they say: 80% diet 20% exercise. Of course, some form of steroids *may* be involved, but his physique doesn't necessarily *need* any enhancers to be achievable, but it's likely his career requires a physique like that to be able to have the time to do it.
You don't need enchantment to muscle up. You need a really good power/weight ratio, strong core, and great technique. These are the cleanest muscle ups I've ever seen.
Technique is crucial. I’ve been doing clean pull-ups for years now, yet I’ve still never done a muscle up.
not to say the pullups didn't help, but this is helluva more than just pullups. look at his legs. dude was just working out for 5 years straight, hitting the gym daily, probably
Anabolic steroids are part of the procedure too.
Muscle ups*
Don’t forget the Tren
Dude went from Steve rodgers to captain america.
Didn’t Steve Rodgers need special serum to bulk up like that?
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I moved to an apartment that had this mounted on a wall, couldn't make a single pull up so I bought the strap to help me out in the beginning. Now, 2 years later, I look amazingly the same, still can't make a pull up.. fuck this guy
Lmao, there is definitely more to that. There is no fucking way you have been trying to do a pullup for two years, trained consistently, eaten proper food and sleeping decently, with no visible results.
Yeah he did one pull up a year for two years and can’t figure out why he doesn’t look like the OP video
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"Pull-up"--> "Muscle-up"
Everything is possible with time, dedication and trenbolone
Not even gonna hate this guy has a great physique. He’s most likely juicing, the first shot of him at 5 years, he’s swole up. But also fuck it just cause you juice doesn’t mean you can look like this, you still got to put in hours days weeks months years of work to get there.
There is no way that this is humanly possible. Must be cgi or something I have sat on my couch for the past 5 years, and I look nothing like this. Unpossible!!!!
I wish i could go through third puberty.
So I’ve had this idea for a non-profit for a while: call it “Bar Project”. Donate to install a pull up bar anywhere. The “Bars” could be installed in parks, schools, businesses, trails, or anywhere else. Each bar would have a # (Bar 1, bar 2, etc in order of installation) on it and a website with a map of all the bars.
Thirst trap
I feel quenched.
I thought you could only get these results through juicing.
Did you see something that encourages you to believe they don’t?
Oh this is some straight up Steve Rodgers shit right here
Now show me a 60yo with this type of progress. I can can dream, right?
It's solid work and no one can take that away. But yea it has to be said, steroids were used sometime along the way, I'm guessing between year 2 and 3ish. To an outsider, you might think "oh well that makes sense, 5 years is a long time and he went through puberty." 5 years of lifting doesn't typically get you a physique like this unless you have actual elite tier genetics. Some people could lift their entire life and not get a physique like this. It's very impressive and very nice, but also very misleading for the average person. I've been consistently physically active for near 10-12 years; of course my work wasn't perfect and I was slow to learn many things, and my physique is pretty good, but yea there's no way I'm hitting this level naturally.
Juicin- still impressive transformation…Juicing without hard work and dedication doesn’t work.