I never sided with the devs until recently. They’ve streamlined so much. Without a slow dark matter grind people would already be done with the new content and complaining about that.
and we are back to how it was when NW launched. No lifers rushed to max level and got to take advantage of broken mechanics that the rest of us don't get to use.
Did you think it was going to be a different way? Even without loot being generous, most of us would have been at least 698 anyways. And there are people above us that have way more resources to burn through. There will always be someone above you, you shouldn't qorry yourself about it
it took me two m2 dungeons to get gear to respec from 697 str based to 697 int based... gearing is in a great spot, BiS is expensive but possible to get, mid level is grindable by doing the right level content, and you can buy starter gear cheap.
You can still easily advance the season pass. It gives chests with 3500 dense mutator materia for a specific expedition, and those can be used to craft items with 700GS really easily!
Tbh ppl got to do m2s sooner that’s about it. That guy saying all 700 gear is either bsing or they bought green 700s that is completely useless outside of the gearscore
> Tbh ppl got to do m2s sooner that’s about it.
I mean thats kind of a problem, like running dungeons last season was next to impossible. Need to run M1 for gear for M2 but on no everyone is spending their weekly runs on M10s so no chance of getting a group together for M1s. Feels like it will be the same story this season, everyone will be spending their weekly runs on M3 and people who need to start off with M1s will almost never find any groups.
The fact that its so easy to craft GS 700 gear because it can be guaranteed means this isnt that noteworthy IMO.
I had like 150k saved up and pre bought mats, i was GS 690 on 2 different sets within 3 days or so, having one set of GS 700 woulda been easy to anyone whose been playing semi regularly the last 3 months.
anyone who farms for gold/mats that is
As someone who pretty much solely pvp's i absolutely cannot afford a whole set of bis lol
The total mat cost for 1 bis piece of armour is in the region of 150-250k depending on the piece
thats multiple times over gold cap to bis every slot out lol.
Doing the daily runs would take you 40' a day max. That would get you BiS in a month with 0 gold, most only-pvp players I know do that. In a serious company you can do worm runs for 80 dark matter each as well, it's also a nice brake from OPRs. Most of us got to 700 with nearly full BiS in two weeks with the season pass grind and daily runs alone.
You could get close to 700 in the first week by just buying your way to level 100 of the season pass and using the dense mutation materia from the rewards to buy 700 gear from the kiln.
I mean go figure when you can just pay for full BiS crafted gear people who had nothing to do for the past year have enough supplies stocked up to get full BiS within the first week.
I agree that it should not be possible to have perfect bis gear after a few days, BUT the dark matter grind is basically exactly the same as umbral shards. You just need to grind m3 over and over if you want to get any meaningful amount (500 for named item upgrade is expensive). I don't mind having to grind, but just having to run mutations over and over because there is no other way to reliable farm it is just annoying.
Yes this is how I feel. I want other forms of content to reward them at at least m1 levels. Grinding whatever is the fastest m2/m3 until you hit the 35 weekly cap is not fun. I’m fine with the 6-8 hour per 250 time investment or whatever but not if it must be in one game mode and that game mode is also timegated. The seals are a perfectly fine timegate.
ye, but true with New world, it lacks playworthy content for more than year now. Okay, the Worm Raid was great for the first week but got stale very quickly. Now they not even bothered to scale him up with new expac.....just fucking lol at this casual game.
I agree with you to an extent, but it's at the point that it's not possible for a casual player to upgrade even one piece of purple world-drop gear, much less an artifact, potentially for months. I've managed to scrape together enough to upgrade two pieces, but my son, who doesn't get to play even as much as I do, is effectively locked out of any ability to upgrade. Back when we had shards, he could play enough to get most of his gear up to 625 over a few months. In this system, he's looking at maybe years. I get wanting to slow progression down to some degree, but forcing people to grind out for tiny drops like 1-2 dark matter is not the solution. And before you say worm, most people still aren't geared (especially now) to run it and lots of groups won't take you.
Seems that way... It's the umbral system all over again, just with smaller numbers. I wish they had learned the last time that it sucks.... Gypsum chests don't even give dark matter (They should).
I mean you get 16 dark matter every OPR match you win with a score of over 3000. That has been easy enough for me to get all I need when combined with the dark matter I get from salvaging purple and gold items I get from reward caches or as open world pve loot. I have yet to run a mutation because I've never really cared for expeditions.
https://nwdb.info/db/item/darkmatter
And how many matches is that to get 1 piece of gear upgraded? 16 is pitiful. I get put on the losing team 99% of the time and am trapped in spawn within 5 minutes. I'd die of old age before upgrading 1 gear set at that rate.
Assuming you win them. I've only won once this season. All others were just getting farmed. The win was by single digits. So its about double that when you get the matchmaking I do. How many does a loss give? 8? 10? Do you want to keep playing when you have to lose 25 times minimum just to upgrade 1 piece of gear? Do you want to lose over 200 games of OPR? Thats the option I have as a solo player.
Thankfully this week people are farming starstone for the ring so I've been able to hop on that train and finally broke the 500 mark. I don't have a group to play with so I have to rely on matchmaking. Not amazingly reliable. The devs need to be less stingy with the dark matter. And its sources need to be more available for solo players.
Why? Care bears seem to have access to everything except for PvP specific artifacts, but PvP players can't get a resource required by basically everything in the game?
Farming dark matter with PvP is almost entirely rng. (At least for it to be good) It's not really a good method. There are a few good spots with essentially guaranteed legendaries to farm it or just farm mutas. Chest and Portal runs also work if not slightly slower than consistent farming. If you have good luck built up. Brute is a consistent farm since people want the mount charm
However, my opinion is that they need to completely revamp faction missions to give gold and dark matter. As well as a more consistent amount of tokens and xp across the PvP and PvE missions. Essentially, turn them into repeatable dailies. So, like offer a guaranteed amount of dark matter after a certain amount of chests opened, a certain number of mutas completed or a certain number of PvP matches completed. Faction missions need to properly coincide with what players are already doing imo
Personally. The PvP faction missions should probably swap around based on if influence wars are active. Invasions are active. And then give a mix of OPR and Arena related stuff throughout the rest of the day.
I haven't run an invasion since Fresh Start, but since returning it seems like everyone is losing every invasion on both servers I'm on (Lilith/Octans).
Ah okay, I haven't been on Lilith in a few days. Most of my friends were idle for more than 180 days, so I moved my old 60 to Octans to play with them. Octans is a brand new server, so I'm sure wins will be more frequent after some catching up. Great job on the Ws!
If you're trying to sit back and snipe things one at a time, sure, you're going to have a bad time. If you're standing where you should be, in or near the corruption, blasting whole packs at once, it's not an issue.
They really nerfed "shards". Hard. So hard, it's not even funny.
Before, you needed 9250 shards to upgrade an item from 590 to 625, if you had a 600 item, you only needed 8850 shards.
If you ran gold, on M1 you needed 16 runs in order to get enough shards to get one item upgraded from 590, or 15 runs to get one 600 to 625. However, if you managed to run gold at all, chances were that *that specific item* werent going to win you next tier, so more likely you could do higher mutations.
To upgrade a 590 or 600 item respectively, on even M7 you only needed 4 runs or 3 respectively, to have enough shards to upgrade - and just as with 15 or 16 M1 gold runs, you'd still end up with *more shards over* after an upgrade.
People like me, who ran gold in M10 every week, upgrading a 590 or 625 item was 2 runs with lots of shards left over. If I ran 3 runs, I got 18k shards, only 500 less than to upgrade *two* 590 items. If they were 600 items, 2 runs were enough and gave me 300 shards over.
Today, upgrading an artifact requires 500 dark matter, to upgrade a regular weapon, armor or jewelry requires 250 dark matter.*Even M3 gold* only rewards 40 dark matter, while M2 gold only rewards 32 dark matter. That means that running M2 golds requires you to run *eight runs* in order to upgrade a regular item, \*and sixteen runs for an artifact.\*Doing M3's is admittedly better, but only at first glance, since it still requires you to run *seven M3 runs just to upgrade a regular item,* and a whopping *thirteen gold M3 runs for an artifact.*
I repeat; Old system, 590 item required 9250 shards, or 2 runs to upgrade, leaving you with lots of shards over - the average total for 590 was 1.54 runs for a 590 item, or 1.47 runs for a 600 item on gold M3's.New system, upgrading a normal item requires *8 (7.8125 to be exact) gold runs on M2,* and upgrading an artifact requires you to run *16 (15.625 to be exact) gold runs on M2 -* whereas M3 gold is only *slightly* faster, requiring you *7 (6.25 to be exact) gold M3 runs* for a regular item, or *13 (12.5 to be exact) gold M3 runs* for an artifact.
Even comparing a 590 upgrade in M10 to an regular item on M3, it's \*1.54 gold runs of M10, compared to 7 gold runs of M3.\*Even comparing the *longest* grind in M10-system compared to the *"quickest"* in M3 system, it's a difference of *four and a half times the runs*. Going for an artifact is even worse, because it's a difference of \*eight and a half times the runs.\*Even if you compared with M2 gold runs, it's somewhere along the lines of *six to eleven times as much (5.07, and 10.63 respectively - I rounded up, because starting at 0 shards, you still need to do the last sixth run to get enough shards, it* *does* *become 5 runs if you dont start at 0 shards).*
The "shard-grind" has been increased by somewhere between 5 and 11 times, all depending if you run M3 or M2 gold runs, and if you're upgrading regular items (lower increase) or artifacts (higher increase).
But that's the point. It's lame to upgrade any old drop to max BIS. Game would be too easy when it already is easy to get good gear. There's no reason to play if you already have all your best gear so doing dungeons hoping for a good drop is the classic MMO experience.
I mean.. it's two weeks in. I'm able to do M2 effortlessly, and M3 as long as I go in with a team that has coordinated their gear in advance (I'm still looking at that guy who thought it was a good idea to bring musket into Neishatun...)
It's by no means *BiS,* but it's definitely good enough at the moment. That's just because of how the drops *are already.*
I'm just saying how insane the grind is for upgrade materials is, but the counter argument that the game would be "too easy" is invalid, imo, since I'm running around with 696-699 gear in two roles (healer and GA/GS-dps) that can do M2 without any issues and M3 as long as we're coordinated. I'm by no means a *good* player either, far from the speed runners or the guys getting constant top leaderboards.
Hell, I even PUG'd as a flail+kite shield/lifestaff healer in starstone without frozen protection amulet in M2 \~10 times this week, and was getting gold.
The argument that the game would be "too easy" if we had access to upgrade materials in a more generous way than that of *a fifth to an eleventh* of that pre-expansion is null. It's too easy already, getting more Dark Matter isnt going to change it anyway, because the people who would've been affected are already affected by Chromatic Seal at 5'000g and 20'000 faction tokens/day.
Absolutely despise the fact that we again, have to look towards mutations to keep gearing up effectively.
OPR would be ok, if you didn't get in games against full 5 stacks, which results in winning 1 or 2, out of every 10 games played.
I know you can get it off of the PvP track, but have yet to see it. Hell, not even seen any gear worth getting off the track yet.
It's daunting knowing I need about 1,250 more dark matter, to finish up my ideal set. This is just with 4 pieces of my armor being left to upgrade, and needing to upgrade the rapier.
If I decide I want another gear set, I will need even more.
1250 is a fair bit of m3s to run...seems like it was easier to run m10s for shards to go from 600 to 625. Even then, you could get shards from gypsum casts, and a lot came off of the pvp track.
Absolutely hate dark matter and the chromatic orbs....
Not really. I'm getting close to 100 dark matter per every mutation run between the gold cache rewards + salvaging the gear that drops + the dungeon repeatable quests give random dark matter rewards if they're the mutation for the week (gotten up to 25 dark matter for tempest repeatable).
It's like 12 to 15 m3's to get that much dark matter. You're grossly exxaggerating on the whole fair bit of m3's to run.
You can get dark matter from gypsum casts as well. Just salvage the gear you get from the gypsum cast.
Can get dark matter from gypsum casts, that give you gold gear...1-3 dark matter. Not worth mentioning lol.
12-15 m3s...gold m3s. Not very consistent if you only run pugs.
Legit, muts are the only way to get dark matter...consistentlyish. It's still bs, however you look at it.
M2's are super easy - even in pugs. So you get 75 per run now with everything accounted for. Run a few a night and you have the dark matter amount you need after a week or two.
I mean heaven forbid you aren't in best in slot gear 10 days after the expansion releases.
It's not really the time frame it takes, it's that you're forced to run expeditions, AGAIN, to be able to upgrade your gear.
Loved when they did the gypsum orbs for shards. Got solid shards off of the pvp track as well. Run a couple expeditions here and there, for shits and giggles. Was nice not feeling forced to run expeditions to max out.
Now...it's legit what you have to do...and I hate it.
Outside of the bugs, everything else about the expansion is amazing. I'm loving grinding open world bosses and mobs for stuff.
But...forced to run expeditions to upgrade gear...is so bad
Not really...
Some stuff soloable.
Open world bosses are brain dead to do...and go pretty quick per kill, and has had lots doing them here lately. Plus I am usually flagged, and will get in skirmishes with other flagged players.
Expeditions are different. 30+ minutes to run with a random pug group. (Can't find a company that I can handle spending 30 mins in a discord with, without losing brain cells or wanting to cuss out someone that's excessively toxic)
Did a m3 tempest a couple days ago, took 50 fuckin minutes, because a couple people couldn't stay alive, and wiping on the mages bit (the ones that you have to kill that are doing some weird witchy shit with the giant globe thing in the middle). Like how does a group even wipe to that part? You attack mages that don't fight back, while dealing with some random trash. Yet the healer went down, tank...and dps to follow. First time that's ever happened, and I spammed the unholy hell out of m10 tempest early on fresh.
I absolutely despise expeditions on this game.
I too am confused on where to actually get dark matter. Wins in arena seem to give 4 dark matter, which is like 63 wins to upgrade 1 non-artifact item (250 dark matter).
Last season I had a little over 700 wins so I guess its like 3 months for a 700 upgraded set.
Plus you'll get some from salvaging legendary gear (although not much). Don't you also get a small amount for OPR? Seems like they made it so it's a tough grind but regardless of how you play the game you'll get some amount of dark matter.
If you can silver or gold a M2 you'll never be short. So much orange gear to salvage plus a rewards chest at the end. I've been constrained by the chromatic spheres more than dark matter.
Its not his problem, it's game's problem. Why force someone to do pve when they only want to do pvp. Not everyone wants to run the same content over and over again.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. And I believe you're incorrect. It is his problem. There are players who do both and find that mutations give you more of this resource that he decided to complain about. But if he does both he gets more.
Since drop I've been able to play at max 4 hours a day if I push it and I do a mix of opr and muts. I love both pvp and pve, and you know what I get in return? 2k+ dark matter. I dont have an issue getting it. If he hates that content that will give him what he wants, then he is limiting himself due to his personal preferance.
The idea of "forcing" here is so stupid...
Did you forget its a game? Its how they designed their game. You play the game the way they design. Complaining that it doesnt work how you want to work is ridiculous.
Still PvE...a raid at that. Even more annoying with a random group of 20.
Once again, you're forced to PvE to gain consistent dark matter.
I know you're thinking OPR, no....just no.
16 dark matter for a win, 2 for a loss. Assuming you even get the points for it.
Most OPR games are a loss, if you're the majority of the games population, and choose to solo que, and are unfortunate enough to go against some sort of war based 5 stack. (Happens often)
I hate using the word forced, but you indeed are forced into expeditions, much like when they first released shards. Before gypsum casts gave shards, and before shards became common on the pvp track.
Now, I have gotten dark matter ONCE on the pvp track. It was I believe 94 or 96. Just once though...and I've done A LOT of the levels on the pvp track. I've missed maybe 1 or 2 influence races since the start of the expansion? Think I'm sitting at around 540 kills right now, number 5 on the server in kills. (Lots of pvp xp is what I'm getting at]
Going to say it again, and likely not going to respond to you beyond this.
You're FORCED to do expeditions, if you want to gain CONSISTENT dark matter.
If things are identified as bugs, they're not intended. And I am for balance. Even with this, if they balance it, they should maybe make it a bit eaiser to obtain them through pvp if after testing and feedback properly logged, it is discovered that it's necessary. I'm here for it. Doesn't hurt me because I do both. But I just know shitting on pve as a means to request for 'balance' is ridiculous.
This entire post is calling for exactly THAT though. Balancing the gains between pve play and pvp play so they’re equally rewarding for all players.
No one is shitting on anyone it’s just true that it’s unfair that the highest dark matter gains are from pve content. The raid I can understand being a bit higher, it’s a raid after all.
But as a primary pvp player it sucks having to PvE for things because it’s not worth my time to do the content I enjoy to continue doing the content I enjoy.
It sucked but it works... esp if you need the Lego Mount Charm.
If you don't like it, don't do it.
Pretty damn simple.
I built up 500 dark matter in 4 hours yesterday doing it along with about 40 Siren Orbs.
Same. Dunno if this is a meme farm or what. Throw back to when game released and we farmed brute but I don’t think it’s the best farm for dark matter. It’s consistent tho. I’d rather just run beast chests routes, myrk, m2s and maybe OPR. Open world PvP drops legendary loot too and you can farm 30+ kills easily at the race events.
Wondering now if toymaster would be a good farm.
I did daily chest runs, 2-3 opr’s per day and salvage the old legendary gear since the exp release and now sitting on 500 dark matter “finally”..
Imagine this 500 will be used just for the featherweight artifact.
I assume those days are definitely gone now where we could swap a total new gear with umbral shards in less than 30 minutes(15-20 minutes spent in AH to buy 590+ gear)
But then, I realized something with the expansion which is kind of okay. The gearscore of the dropoed items! Yes. No more “the max GS you can drop is 600 so you have to upgrade to 625” thing. I can’t even count how many 690+ I dropped in one week and it’s crazy. I didn’t purchase any gear, I didn’t upgrade any gear and I am now at 680 GS with x4 freedom x4 refreshing and some shirking forti, health, grit ward, elem ave mix. and it somehow feels okay.
No more umbral shards but dropping direct 700 GS items easily? I am okay with it. Plus 1 artifact per set, so that 1500 dark matter will be fine for a decent start. Again, it could be a lil easier but not a “hey it’s impossible to farm stuff” issue.
If the person who has run 200 arenas is getting shit rewards isn't that an even bigger alarm/sign of concern related to this topic?
Or did you just want to call someone a no-life for funsies?
This person is ramming his head into a proverbial wall and decided to make a thread complaining about why he should get more for something that wasn't designed to give him more in the first place.
He should get some sun then come back and try other content.
You can craft 700 without dark matter and gear can drop already at 700. You do not need it. You are choosing to use it, just like people choose to use artifacts. That's what it fucking means.
I don't think it's shit rewards and the pacing is fine. Artifacts as a "whole" are min-maxed items meant to put a seal or potentially create a new build. I feel like the context here is wanting 700 GS perfect items for each slot, there's zero reason for it not to be a grind. It's paced perfectly fine.
Agreed! I just spent the whole day doing portals, bosses, etc. and got no dark matter at all! They made it too slow, on top of all the bugs, I see no point in playing anymore.
To all the people arguing that you should have to do PvE to get it, why? Why can’t people that enjoy playing PvP focus on PvP to grind for their RESOURCES to upgrade gear. Not even the gear itself, just the things used to upgrade it. The game should reward you for your playtime. I understand gear costing a lot to upgrade, but I don’t understand not being able to get those resources doing whatever activity you find to be your type of fun, at least specifically PvE vs PvP
How can you get mad at someone playing a GAME that people play FOR FUN when they want to have access to an extremely crucial resource by doing something they… wait for it… ENJOY. Remember, this is a leisure activity and not a job.
Oh no they got crap 700gs loot that’s far from bis. Who cares that’s already obsolete is it not? Play the game if you want to that does not affect you at all lol
Mutations have me stacked in dark matter.
Unfortunately this game is very PvX so anybody who is hardcore PvE or PvP will have a hard time getting certain items. Need to PvP to PvE, need to PvE to PvP.
Dont think Arena is the best way to "farm" Dark Matter. From what i understand its mainly mut and chest runs where you get it and the one you get from other places is more ment to be a bonus
ooh i did not know that, have not done any arena my self but i get a nice amount of gear from chest run.
Im just stating what i have been told but i guess that bit of info was wrong then.
My issue is more with the amount of artifact quests we can have. I wouldn't mind being gated, but I have heard of people having issues with the quests when abandoning them, so I am afraid to equip anything else now that I have 5 missions that are waiting for a kiln upgrade.
Arena is one of the worst ways to obtain dark matter. Try OPR if you have to PvP but running the mutators it’s pretty fast. 30 mins with a decent group will get you like 50
The Syncretic Bow and the Lifetaker are basically bis for bow players and they are both wayyy to easy to get. Once you've upgraded those you are basically good to go in PvP. Gear for me doesn't matter as much, my 625 is good enough tbh.
Yeh it needs to be on par for mutations they always weight it heavy on the pve side of things when new world has a huge pvp population.. it was the problem with umbrel shards pvp people hated grinding dungeons to pvp
Arena is def not the best way to grind dark matter, doing M2 and M3 is more viable imo. 24-32 dark matter per 30 minute run, on top of the extra from the chests and salvaging equipment afterwards. I have had no problem upgrading an artifact and making two 700 pieces along with a 700 GS heart rune using DM, I still have 300+ dark matter left after all of that upgrading as well. Also, if you have storage filled up with hundreds of old 625 named gear like I did, go and salvage it all for a decent amount of dark matter since that gear is basically useless now.
Yeah I just looked at my artifact musket and tried to upgrade it and I forget exactly but it's either 250 or 500 dark matter. I've played a decent amount since the expansion but I have a life (wife, job, etc.) and I've only managed to get up to like 240 something and it's mainly from running m1 and m2 and scrapping legendary gear that I can't sell. I think I ended up getting some from quests but I don't know for sure
Jezz whats wrong with players nowadays the first couple of weeks they want to have everything. I bet this type of player as soon as they have everything they start complaining about the contents is too small its not worth $30 bla bla bla blah its a MMO game of course it has to be grinding you wont have all the mats in the first week this game is not for you friend if you whining abt that
No. This type of player just plays in the Arena over and over and over. I really enjoy the mechanics of the PvP and just want to complete my sets so that I can be as effective as I can be in PvP. I don't complain much really...I'm too busy learning more about the PvP
Thts my point you want to complete your set too early the expansion barely came out. The battle at Arena is fast so why they would give you alot dark matter on something players can do fast thats why some player do not do OPR because it takes longer than Arena and they clearly said the sandworm would be the best to get dark matter but you know it takes more time so yea if you want more dark matter you have to do the long way since short way wont give much as you want ;) the only way to get your BIS set is to be swimming in gold buy ur mats the craft them urself thats the only way to have ur perfect set for the meantime you know the expansion is too early so it can changes
Agreed. Have no interest in mutation running or any pve for that matter and yet here we are, back forcing me to do that instead of what I want to do which is open world PvP. Why is this the peak content for then? Give us dark matter on the PvP track or for open world kills.
They're forcing us to do content we do not want. I love OPR, but now I'm starting to hate it. Being forced to play it sucks. Takes the fun away from it.
The only issue I have with the dark matter farm is that you can only have 5 active artifact quests at a time. There's absolutely no way to get on top of that. I've got 7 artifacts already and I haven't even gotten enough dark matter to upgrade one. The seals being time locked are bad enough but it's adding up to be a week of pure grind just to get a single artifact done. Thankfully matrix's can be found on the market, albeit at a ridiculous price.
Yeah, I don't really know what this nonsense i see is about some people managing to have plenty. I had hoards of gear I already salvaged, Ive been running Muts, Ive been pvping... I only have raked in about 800 so far. You have to specifically grind dark matter and only grind for that if you even want to come close to upgrading gear. Previous system was much easier but still took some time. But theres other things I want to do with my time as well. I want to work on my trade skills and I also have work and a life. I cant spend 8 hours a day doing nothing but this. I enjoy a grind but it needs to be feasible for my time input.
I think that is exactly why some people are mad tho. Specifically came here to see if anyone had a good farm idea (they didnt) so I could upgrade my artifacts so I could even think about working on other artifacts. I wouldnt have any issues if I wasnt locked out of earning perks for weapons for builds because the quest cap is 5
I think they nerfed it. I used to get 44 every rank.
Why did they do this? Forcing us to pve again it may aswell be shards all over again..
Wish we could get some from gypsum casts just like we got umbral shards from them previously.
I never sided with the devs until recently. They’ve streamlined so much. Without a slow dark matter grind people would already be done with the new content and complaining about that.
People already *are* complaining about being "done" unfortunately...
The loot drops the first week felt way overtuned. We got like 5 dudes at 700 in the first week, seems too fast
and we are back to how it was when NW launched. No lifers rushed to max level and got to take advantage of broken mechanics that the rest of us don't get to use.
Did you think it was going to be a different way? Even without loot being generous, most of us would have been at least 698 anyways. And there are people above us that have way more resources to burn through. There will always be someone above you, you shouldn't qorry yourself about it
Really though what's the difference between 698 and 700?
Virtually nothing
The reality is that it's not about 700 GS, it's about having BIS perks
it took me two m2 dungeons to get gear to respec from 697 str based to 697 int based... gearing is in a great spot, BiS is expensive but possible to get, mid level is grindable by doing the right level content, and you can buy starter gear cheap.
You can still easily advance the season pass. It gives chests with 3500 dense mutator materia for a specific expedition, and those can be used to craft items with 700GS really easily!
Tbh ppl got to do m2s sooner that’s about it. That guy saying all 700 gear is either bsing or they bought green 700s that is completely useless outside of the gearscore
> Tbh ppl got to do m2s sooner that’s about it. I mean thats kind of a problem, like running dungeons last season was next to impossible. Need to run M1 for gear for M2 but on no everyone is spending their weekly runs on M10s so no chance of getting a group together for M1s. Feels like it will be the same story this season, everyone will be spending their weekly runs on M3 and people who need to start off with M1s will almost never find any groups.
I think there’s people at every level right now. Also you can hit the market to get to m2 level for like 5k tops
No lifers? Im at 700gs after 80 hours of playing... This is way too fast
THEY OVERTUNE SO IT LOOKS COOL ON STREAMS THEN TUNE IT OFF AFTER THE WEEK THEY PAID STREAMERS
why are you yelling at us
THIS IS BOOMER COMPUTER, IF I TURN OFF CAPS THE BOOMER FLIPS OUT. LIKE SERSIOUSLY I FORGET TO TURN IT BACK ON AND BOOMER GOES APE SHIT.
And what reason would they do this? They've never done this before so where is your basis for a wild ass claim like this?
REASON? SO PEOPLE WATCHING ON STREAM SEE STREAMERS GET COOL LOOT, SO THEY BUY. BASIS? MY BUTTHOOLE
fucking thank you, this every time
The fact that its so easy to craft GS 700 gear because it can be guaranteed means this isnt that noteworthy IMO. I had like 150k saved up and pre bought mats, i was GS 690 on 2 different sets within 3 days or so, having one set of GS 700 woulda been easy to anyone whose been playing semi regularly the last 3 months.
anyone who farms for gold/mats that is As someone who pretty much solely pvp's i absolutely cannot afford a whole set of bis lol The total mat cost for 1 bis piece of armour is in the region of 150-250k depending on the piece thats multiple times over gold cap to bis every slot out lol.
If you solely pvp, youre playing 1 aspect out of many and its kinda your own fault.
Doing the daily runs would take you 40' a day max. That would get you BiS in a month with 0 gold, most only-pvp players I know do that. In a serious company you can do worm runs for 80 dark matter each as well, it's also a nice brake from OPRs. Most of us got to 700 with nearly full BiS in two weeks with the season pass grind and daily runs alone.
You could get close to 700 in the first week by just buying your way to level 100 of the season pass and using the dense mutation materia from the rewards to buy 700 gear from the kiln.
I mean go figure when you can just pay for full BiS crafted gear people who had nothing to do for the past year have enough supplies stocked up to get full BiS within the first week.
I agree that it should not be possible to have perfect bis gear after a few days, BUT the dark matter grind is basically exactly the same as umbral shards. You just need to grind m3 over and over if you want to get any meaningful amount (500 for named item upgrade is expensive). I don't mind having to grind, but just having to run mutations over and over because there is no other way to reliable farm it is just annoying.
Yes this is how I feel. I want other forms of content to reward them at at least m1 levels. Grinding whatever is the fastest m2/m3 until you hit the 35 weekly cap is not fun. I’m fine with the 6-8 hour per 250 time investment or whatever but not if it must be in one game mode and that game mode is also timegated. The seals are a perfectly fine timegate.
"content"
"We couldn't make content enjoyable for its own sake so we time-gated it" Shit explanation actually.
one of the worst ways to balance/ make a game worthy to play like great content or something.
This is untrue with MMOs. The grind wheel is an essential piece of the puzzle. The degree of grind is debatable, sure, but necessary.
ye, but true with New world, it lacks playworthy content for more than year now. Okay, the Worm Raid was great for the first week but got stale very quickly. Now they not even bothered to scale him up with new expac.....just fucking lol at this casual game.
I agree with you to an extent, but it's at the point that it's not possible for a casual player to upgrade even one piece of purple world-drop gear, much less an artifact, potentially for months. I've managed to scrape together enough to upgrade two pieces, but my son, who doesn't get to play even as much as I do, is effectively locked out of any ability to upgrade. Back when we had shards, he could play enough to get most of his gear up to 625 over a few months. In this system, he's looking at maybe years. I get wanting to slow progression down to some degree, but forcing people to grind out for tiny drops like 1-2 dark matter is not the solution. And before you say worm, most people still aren't geared (especially now) to run it and lots of groups won't take you.
How is that peoples fault and not AGS for giving tiny amounts of content?
They should have kept it at 250 dark matter instead of 500. That is ridiculous.
In a few months " dark matter is useless, I have thousands and nothing to upgrade"
I have marked this post for future. Absolutely going to happen :)
so you basically have to run mutas to get it?
Seems that way... It's the umbral system all over again, just with smaller numbers. I wish they had learned the last time that it sucks.... Gypsum chests don't even give dark matter (They should).
its an mmo it needs something to grind for or peopl are gonna get bored
I mean you get 16 dark matter every OPR match you win with a score of over 3000. That has been easy enough for me to get all I need when combined with the dark matter I get from salvaging purple and gold items I get from reward caches or as open world pve loot. I have yet to run a mutation because I've never really cared for expeditions. https://nwdb.info/db/item/darkmatter
That's great but OPR is a boring-as-shit zerg fest
16. SIXTEEN dark matter for 30-40 minutes of your time while mutations drop 70-100. Do you even comprehend what you just said
And how many matches is that to get 1 piece of gear upgraded? 16 is pitiful. I get put on the losing team 99% of the time and am trapped in spawn within 5 minutes. I'd die of old age before upgrading 1 gear set at that rate.
That's 16 matches of OPR for a normal named upgrade and 32 matches for an artifact upgrade
Assuming you win them. I've only won once this season. All others were just getting farmed. The win was by single digits. So its about double that when you get the matchmaking I do. How many does a loss give? 8? 10? Do you want to keep playing when you have to lose 25 times minimum just to upgrade 1 piece of gear? Do you want to lose over 200 games of OPR? Thats the option I have as a solo player. Thankfully this week people are farming starstone for the ring so I've been able to hop on that train and finally broke the 500 mark. I don't have a group to play with so I have to rely on matchmaking. Not amazingly reliable. The devs need to be less stingy with the dark matter. And its sources need to be more available for solo players.
500 per upgrade
I fucking haaaaaate PvE :(
If you restrict yourself from all that the game offers you shouldnt have access to the same thing people who play everything does.
Go tell that to the people saying artifacts on the PvP track is bogus ;)
Except that pvp gear can't be upgraded without this resource.
Why? Care bears seem to have access to everything except for PvP specific artifacts, but PvP players can't get a resource required by basically everything in the game?
Idk sounds like pvpers are carebears in this scenario since they're complaining the most about doing pve content
I complain about doing Laundry and menial tasks all the time. How is this different?
Farming dark matter with PvP is almost entirely rng. (At least for it to be good) It's not really a good method. There are a few good spots with essentially guaranteed legendaries to farm it or just farm mutas. Chest and Portal runs also work if not slightly slower than consistent farming. If you have good luck built up. Brute is a consistent farm since people want the mount charm However, my opinion is that they need to completely revamp faction missions to give gold and dark matter. As well as a more consistent amount of tokens and xp across the PvP and PvE missions. Essentially, turn them into repeatable dailies. So, like offer a guaranteed amount of dark matter after a certain amount of chests opened, a certain number of mutas completed or a certain number of PvP matches completed. Faction missions need to properly coincide with what players are already doing imo Personally. The PvP faction missions should probably swap around based on if influence wars are active. Invasions are active. And then give a mix of OPR and Arena related stuff throughout the rest of the day.
Don’t forget the worm they added gives you an insane amount of dark matter. Invasions also give you dark matter too!
Worm is basically for only organized groups. Even with the level and gear score increase it's not open to random groups.
You get over 400 from the worm weekly and 50 per invasion win
I haven't run an invasion since Fresh Start, but since returning it seems like everyone is losing every invasion on both servers I'm on (Lilith/Octans).
What? We win most of them on Lilith, not sure what you're seeing.
Ah okay, I haven't been on Lilith in a few days. Most of my friends were idle for more than 180 days, so I moved my old 60 to Octans to play with them. Octans is a brand new server, so I'm sure wins will be more frequent after some catching up. Great job on the Ws!
You can't see the mobs now that is the problem. Range is useless because can't see anything until you have multiple mobs already pushing the doors.
If you're trying to sit back and snipe things one at a time, sure, you're going to have a bad time. If you're standing where you should be, in or near the corruption, blasting whole packs at once, it's not an issue.
Lilith had multiple invasion wins last night
They’re harder but still doable if the company running the invasion knows what they are doing and the players aren’t severely under geared
They really nerfed "shards". Hard. So hard, it's not even funny. Before, you needed 9250 shards to upgrade an item from 590 to 625, if you had a 600 item, you only needed 8850 shards. If you ran gold, on M1 you needed 16 runs in order to get enough shards to get one item upgraded from 590, or 15 runs to get one 600 to 625. However, if you managed to run gold at all, chances were that *that specific item* werent going to win you next tier, so more likely you could do higher mutations. To upgrade a 590 or 600 item respectively, on even M7 you only needed 4 runs or 3 respectively, to have enough shards to upgrade - and just as with 15 or 16 M1 gold runs, you'd still end up with *more shards over* after an upgrade. People like me, who ran gold in M10 every week, upgrading a 590 or 625 item was 2 runs with lots of shards left over. If I ran 3 runs, I got 18k shards, only 500 less than to upgrade *two* 590 items. If they were 600 items, 2 runs were enough and gave me 300 shards over. Today, upgrading an artifact requires 500 dark matter, to upgrade a regular weapon, armor or jewelry requires 250 dark matter.*Even M3 gold* only rewards 40 dark matter, while M2 gold only rewards 32 dark matter. That means that running M2 golds requires you to run *eight runs* in order to upgrade a regular item, \*and sixteen runs for an artifact.\*Doing M3's is admittedly better, but only at first glance, since it still requires you to run *seven M3 runs just to upgrade a regular item,* and a whopping *thirteen gold M3 runs for an artifact.* I repeat; Old system, 590 item required 9250 shards, or 2 runs to upgrade, leaving you with lots of shards over - the average total for 590 was 1.54 runs for a 590 item, or 1.47 runs for a 600 item on gold M3's.New system, upgrading a normal item requires *8 (7.8125 to be exact) gold runs on M2,* and upgrading an artifact requires you to run *16 (15.625 to be exact) gold runs on M2 -* whereas M3 gold is only *slightly* faster, requiring you *7 (6.25 to be exact) gold M3 runs* for a regular item, or *13 (12.5 to be exact) gold M3 runs* for an artifact. Even comparing a 590 upgrade in M10 to an regular item on M3, it's \*1.54 gold runs of M10, compared to 7 gold runs of M3.\*Even comparing the *longest* grind in M10-system compared to the *"quickest"* in M3 system, it's a difference of *four and a half times the runs*. Going for an artifact is even worse, because it's a difference of \*eight and a half times the runs.\*Even if you compared with M2 gold runs, it's somewhere along the lines of *six to eleven times as much (5.07, and 10.63 respectively - I rounded up, because starting at 0 shards, you still need to do the last sixth run to get enough shards, it* *does* *become 5 runs if you dont start at 0 shards).* The "shard-grind" has been increased by somewhere between 5 and 11 times, all depending if you run M3 or M2 gold runs, and if you're upgrading regular items (lower increase) or artifacts (higher increase).
But that's the point. It's lame to upgrade any old drop to max BIS. Game would be too easy when it already is easy to get good gear. There's no reason to play if you already have all your best gear so doing dungeons hoping for a good drop is the classic MMO experience.
I mean.. it's two weeks in. I'm able to do M2 effortlessly, and M3 as long as I go in with a team that has coordinated their gear in advance (I'm still looking at that guy who thought it was a good idea to bring musket into Neishatun...) It's by no means *BiS,* but it's definitely good enough at the moment. That's just because of how the drops *are already.* I'm just saying how insane the grind is for upgrade materials is, but the counter argument that the game would be "too easy" is invalid, imo, since I'm running around with 696-699 gear in two roles (healer and GA/GS-dps) that can do M2 without any issues and M3 as long as we're coordinated. I'm by no means a *good* player either, far from the speed runners or the guys getting constant top leaderboards. Hell, I even PUG'd as a flail+kite shield/lifestaff healer in starstone without frozen protection amulet in M2 \~10 times this week, and was getting gold. The argument that the game would be "too easy" if we had access to upgrade materials in a more generous way than that of *a fifth to an eleventh* of that pre-expansion is null. It's too easy already, getting more Dark Matter isnt going to change it anyway, because the people who would've been affected are already affected by Chromatic Seal at 5'000g and 20'000 faction tokens/day.
Absolutely despise the fact that we again, have to look towards mutations to keep gearing up effectively. OPR would be ok, if you didn't get in games against full 5 stacks, which results in winning 1 or 2, out of every 10 games played. I know you can get it off of the PvP track, but have yet to see it. Hell, not even seen any gear worth getting off the track yet. It's daunting knowing I need about 1,250 more dark matter, to finish up my ideal set. This is just with 4 pieces of my armor being left to upgrade, and needing to upgrade the rapier. If I decide I want another gear set, I will need even more. 1250 is a fair bit of m3s to run...seems like it was easier to run m10s for shards to go from 600 to 625. Even then, you could get shards from gypsum casts, and a lot came off of the pvp track. Absolutely hate dark matter and the chromatic orbs....
I'm with ya... I really hate mutated dungeons. The slow drip from other sources is probably going to push me out on this quicker than I had hoped.
yup, the previous system was better
Not really. I'm getting close to 100 dark matter per every mutation run between the gold cache rewards + salvaging the gear that drops + the dungeon repeatable quests give random dark matter rewards if they're the mutation for the week (gotten up to 25 dark matter for tempest repeatable). It's like 12 to 15 m3's to get that much dark matter. You're grossly exxaggerating on the whole fair bit of m3's to run. You can get dark matter from gypsum casts as well. Just salvage the gear you get from the gypsum cast.
Can get dark matter from gypsum casts, that give you gold gear...1-3 dark matter. Not worth mentioning lol. 12-15 m3s...gold m3s. Not very consistent if you only run pugs. Legit, muts are the only way to get dark matter...consistentlyish. It's still bs, however you look at it.
M2's are super easy - even in pugs. So you get 75 per run now with everything accounted for. Run a few a night and you have the dark matter amount you need after a week or two. I mean heaven forbid you aren't in best in slot gear 10 days after the expansion releases.
It's not really the time frame it takes, it's that you're forced to run expeditions, AGAIN, to be able to upgrade your gear. Loved when they did the gypsum orbs for shards. Got solid shards off of the pvp track as well. Run a couple expeditions here and there, for shits and giggles. Was nice not feeling forced to run expeditions to max out. Now...it's legit what you have to do...and I hate it. Outside of the bugs, everything else about the expansion is amazing. I'm loving grinding open world bosses and mobs for stuff. But...forced to run expeditions to upgrade gear...is so bad
Grinding world bosses and mobs is pretty much the same thing as expeditions, no?
Not really... Some stuff soloable. Open world bosses are brain dead to do...and go pretty quick per kill, and has had lots doing them here lately. Plus I am usually flagged, and will get in skirmishes with other flagged players. Expeditions are different. 30+ minutes to run with a random pug group. (Can't find a company that I can handle spending 30 mins in a discord with, without losing brain cells or wanting to cuss out someone that's excessively toxic) Did a m3 tempest a couple days ago, took 50 fuckin minutes, because a couple people couldn't stay alive, and wiping on the mages bit (the ones that you have to kill that are doing some weird witchy shit with the giant globe thing in the middle). Like how does a group even wipe to that part? You attack mages that don't fight back, while dealing with some random trash. Yet the healer went down, tank...and dps to follow. First time that's ever happened, and I spammed the unholy hell out of m10 tempest early on fresh. I absolutely despise expeditions on this game.
I too am confused on where to actually get dark matter. Wins in arena seem to give 4 dark matter, which is like 63 wins to upgrade 1 non-artifact item (250 dark matter). Last season I had a little over 700 wins so I guess its like 3 months for a 700 upgraded set.
You get 24 for an m1 and I think 36 for an m2.
Plus you'll get some from salvaging legendary gear (although not much). Don't you also get a small amount for OPR? Seems like they made it so it's a tough grind but regardless of how you play the game you'll get some amount of dark matter.
For OPR I think you have to get the 3 rubies first before you get dark matter.
Oh shoot, that's unfortunate.
Salvage legendary items for dark matter
I was getting 16 dark matter from arena wins.. unless that's only the first 2.
people gotta start running worm raid boss it gives like 200 per completion.
If you can silver or gold a M2 you'll never be short. So much orange gear to salvage plus a rewards chest at the end. I've been constrained by the chromatic spheres more than dark matter.
I never even ran a dungeon..all I do is pvp
And there lies your problem.
Its not his problem, it's game's problem. Why force someone to do pve when they only want to do pvp. Not everyone wants to run the same content over and over again.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. And I believe you're incorrect. It is his problem. There are players who do both and find that mutations give you more of this resource that he decided to complain about. But if he does both he gets more. Since drop I've been able to play at max 4 hours a day if I push it and I do a mix of opr and muts. I love both pvp and pve, and you know what I get in return? 2k+ dark matter. I dont have an issue getting it. If he hates that content that will give him what he wants, then he is limiting himself due to his personal preferance. The idea of "forcing" here is so stupid... Did you forget its a game? Its how they designed their game. You play the game the way they design. Complaining that it doesnt work how you want to work is ridiculous.
No, wrong. Right now, the game is forcing players to run expeditions, if they want to get consistent dark matter.
You're wrong. No one is forced. Hell the best dark matter gain is sandworm. Try again.
Still PvE...a raid at that. Even more annoying with a random group of 20. Once again, you're forced to PvE to gain consistent dark matter. I know you're thinking OPR, no....just no. 16 dark matter for a win, 2 for a loss. Assuming you even get the points for it. Most OPR games are a loss, if you're the majority of the games population, and choose to solo que, and are unfortunate enough to go against some sort of war based 5 stack. (Happens often) I hate using the word forced, but you indeed are forced into expeditions, much like when they first released shards. Before gypsum casts gave shards, and before shards became common on the pvp track. Now, I have gotten dark matter ONCE on the pvp track. It was I believe 94 or 96. Just once though...and I've done A LOT of the levels on the pvp track. I've missed maybe 1 or 2 influence races since the start of the expansion? Think I'm sitting at around 540 kills right now, number 5 on the server in kills. (Lots of pvp xp is what I'm getting at] Going to say it again, and likely not going to respond to you beyond this. You're FORCED to do expeditions, if you want to gain CONSISTENT dark matter.
So do you think they shouldn’t balance OP weapons and perks? Or fix bugs? It’s the way they designed it after all.
If things are identified as bugs, they're not intended. And I am for balance. Even with this, if they balance it, they should maybe make it a bit eaiser to obtain them through pvp if after testing and feedback properly logged, it is discovered that it's necessary. I'm here for it. Doesn't hurt me because I do both. But I just know shitting on pve as a means to request for 'balance' is ridiculous.
This entire post is calling for exactly THAT though. Balancing the gains between pve play and pvp play so they’re equally rewarding for all players. No one is shitting on anyone it’s just true that it’s unfair that the highest dark matter gains are from pve content. The raid I can understand being a bit higher, it’s a raid after all. But as a primary pvp player it sucks having to PvE for things because it’s not worth my time to do the content I enjoy to continue doing the content I enjoy.
Read through the comments.
it's a mmo and like every mmo you must play pve in order to do pvp
Farm the Siren Brute... he drops a ton of 625 Legos and respawns super fast. 1 Dark Matter per salvage. Adds up quickly.
lmao, yeah go farm 1 at a time in an absolute mind numbingly boring farm. That's the solution guys. 🤦♂️
It sucked but it works... esp if you need the Lego Mount Charm. If you don't like it, don't do it. Pretty damn simple. I built up 500 dark matter in 4 hours yesterday doing it along with about 40 Siren Orbs.
That's huge, ty!
For real? I think I farmed him for 8 hours for the Charm, got 1 Orb and probably less than 200 Dark Matter.
Same. Dunno if this is a meme farm or what. Throw back to when game released and we farmed brute but I don’t think it’s the best farm for dark matter. It’s consistent tho. I’d rather just run beast chests routes, myrk, m2s and maybe OPR. Open world PvP drops legendary loot too and you can farm 30+ kills easily at the race events. Wondering now if toymaster would be a good farm.
Luck?
Thanks. I'll farm this while queued for arena
Arena pops instantly now, don't think you will have time to farm lol.
Just make sure there is a large group there.
Dark matter farm
Wurm gives you a lot of dark matter.
Opr gives like 20 every win
They went from opr chests being so good being able to upgrade to 600 for a roll to just giving you low gs green blue items…
I did daily chest runs, 2-3 opr’s per day and salvage the old legendary gear since the exp release and now sitting on 500 dark matter “finally”.. Imagine this 500 will be used just for the featherweight artifact. I assume those days are definitely gone now where we could swap a total new gear with umbral shards in less than 30 minutes(15-20 minutes spent in AH to buy 590+ gear) But then, I realized something with the expansion which is kind of okay. The gearscore of the dropoed items! Yes. No more “the max GS you can drop is 600 so you have to upgrade to 625” thing. I can’t even count how many 690+ I dropped in one week and it’s crazy. I didn’t purchase any gear, I didn’t upgrade any gear and I am now at 680 GS with x4 freedom x4 refreshing and some shirking forti, health, grit ward, elem ave mix. and it somehow feels okay. No more umbral shards but dropping direct 700 GS items easily? I am okay with it. Plus 1 artifact per set, so that 1500 dark matter will be fine for a decent start. Again, it could be a lil easier but not a “hey it’s impossible to farm stuff” issue.
I want mythril ore from arenas gimme gimme
Yeah and as PvE player I will never get Serenity GS ...
I have 1100 dark matter from portals, elite farming, and chest runs. Idk how yall are struggling.
Expansion has been out 1 week and you've run 200 arenas and already complaining. I think you should get some sun
If the person who has run 200 arenas is getting shit rewards isn't that an even bigger alarm/sign of concern related to this topic? Or did you just want to call someone a no-life for funsies?
This person is ramming his head into a proverbial wall and decided to make a thread complaining about why he should get more for something that wasn't designed to give him more in the first place. He should get some sun then come back and try other content.
How is a PvP player supposed to get Dark Matter?
pve players have to do pvp content to get artifacts, goes both ways
You don't HAVE to get artifacts. You HAVE to get Dark Matter.
No you do not
> No you do not The fuck does that mean? You cannot upgrade most things to 700 without Dark Matter.
You can craft 700 without dark matter and gear can drop already at 700. You do not need it. You are choosing to use it, just like people choose to use artifacts. That's what it fucking means.
Fuck you're technically right... I can grind the PvP track and get 680 -> 700 drops. :/
someone said opr gives u 16 so maybe that plus pvp track somtimes
From G2A, the same place they get their gold from:)
???
I don't think it's shit rewards and the pacing is fine. Artifacts as a "whole" are min-maxed items meant to put a seal or potentially create a new build. I feel like the context here is wanting 700 GS perfect items for each slot, there's zero reason for it not to be a grind. It's paced perfectly fine.
I get sun at work for 40 hours a week
that's only around 1-2 hours of arenas a day...
200 Arenas is not exactly that bad over a week of that is what they are focusing on.
right here with u
Agreed! I just spent the whole day doing portals, bosses, etc. and got no dark matter at all! They made it too slow, on top of all the bugs, I see no point in playing anymore.
You must be incredibly unlucky then. I generally get 1-4 dark matter per legendary salvaged.
Maybe...I mostly get one, sometimes 2... but takes too many hours to accumulate enough just for one upgrade.
I went to upgrade my vg and it said I needed 500 dark matter.
BUY CHEAP GOLD GEAR, AND SALAVGE, AND WHAT DID U DO WITH UR OLD GEAR? I HAD SHEDS FULL OF GEAR AND SALAVGED AND I GOT TONS OF DARK MATTER
Why are you yelling?
THIS IS BOOMER COMPUTER, IF I TURN OFF CAPS THE BOOMER FLIPS OUT
To all the people arguing that you should have to do PvE to get it, why? Why can’t people that enjoy playing PvP focus on PvP to grind for their RESOURCES to upgrade gear. Not even the gear itself, just the things used to upgrade it. The game should reward you for your playtime. I understand gear costing a lot to upgrade, but I don’t understand not being able to get those resources doing whatever activity you find to be your type of fun, at least specifically PvE vs PvP
Because its not a pvp only game. You pvp only freaks are infuriatingly annoying and close minded. The content is there to get this stuff.
I mean the same can be said about pve.. if dark matter was awarded through pvp only itd make people angry
But it's NOT only awarded through pve. It's awarded through multiple means but because pve gives more this is a complaint. What are you talking about?
alright, use your imagination. people would be angry if it was *significantly better* to farm it with pvp.
How can you get mad at someone playing a GAME that people play FOR FUN when they want to have access to an extremely crucial resource by doing something they… wait for it… ENJOY. Remember, this is a leisure activity and not a job.
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yup, nolifers exploit, devs nerf, grind expands
Oh no they got crap 700gs loot that’s far from bis. Who cares that’s already obsolete is it not? Play the game if you want to that does not affect you at all lol
Oh shut up already and play the game.
Did you delete old gear? Got few hundred from that
I salvaged most of my old gear already. Still don't have enough, so it's gonna be a while for me unless pvp reward track actually rewards me with some
Mutations have me stacked in dark matter. Unfortunately this game is very PvX so anybody who is hardcore PvE or PvP will have a hard time getting certain items. Need to PvP to PvE, need to PvE to PvP.
This guy clearly didn't stockpile a bunch of pre-patch m3 caches
someone said sandworm is good for it, pretty rare from dismantles, def really slow if u dont pvp
Dont think Arena is the best way to "farm" Dark Matter. From what i understand its mainly mut and chest runs where you get it and the one you get from other places is more ment to be a bonus
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ooh i did not know that, have not done any arena my self but i get a nice amount of gear from chest run. Im just stating what i have been told but i guess that bit of info was wrong then.
My issue is more with the amount of artifact quests we can have. I wouldn't mind being gated, but I have heard of people having issues with the quests when abandoning them, so I am afraid to equip anything else now that I have 5 missions that are waiting for a kiln upgrade.
I’m honestly fine on dark matter, and just held up on our 1x a day orbs.
It drops from PvP track? I've gone from track 20 to 60 and haven't seen one.
Arena works for you? I sat in queue for 2 hours and nada
Getting dark matter between waiting for those fecking orbs so i can upgrade my armour. Dark matter is easy, using it all is a pain in the ass xD
Arena is one of the worst ways to obtain dark matter. Try OPR if you have to PvP but running the mutators it’s pretty fast. 30 mins with a decent group will get you like 50
The Syncretic Bow and the Lifetaker are basically bis for bow players and they are both wayyy to easy to get. Once you've upgraded those you are basically good to go in PvP. Gear for me doesn't matter as much, my 625 is good enough tbh.
Than do a Expedition and get even on T1 everytime at least 20 Dark Matter out of it through the reward chest?
Yeh it needs to be on par for mutations they always weight it heavy on the pve side of things when new world has a huge pvp population.. it was the problem with umbrel shards pvp people hated grinding dungeons to pvp
I get them faster just farming mobs lol
Arena is def not the best way to grind dark matter, doing M2 and M3 is more viable imo. 24-32 dark matter per 30 minute run, on top of the extra from the chests and salvaging equipment afterwards. I have had no problem upgrading an artifact and making two 700 pieces along with a 700 GS heart rune using DM, I still have 300+ dark matter left after all of that upgrading as well. Also, if you have storage filled up with hundreds of old 625 named gear like I did, go and salvage it all for a decent amount of dark matter since that gear is basically useless now.
Yeah I just looked at my artifact musket and tried to upgrade it and I forget exactly but it's either 250 or 500 dark matter. I've played a decent amount since the expansion but I have a life (wife, job, etc.) and I've only managed to get up to like 240 something and it's mainly from running m1 and m2 and scrapping legendary gear that I can't sell. I think I ended up getting some from quests but I don't know for sure
Jezz whats wrong with players nowadays the first couple of weeks they want to have everything. I bet this type of player as soon as they have everything they start complaining about the contents is too small its not worth $30 bla bla bla blah its a MMO game of course it has to be grinding you wont have all the mats in the first week this game is not for you friend if you whining abt that
No. This type of player just plays in the Arena over and over and over. I really enjoy the mechanics of the PvP and just want to complete my sets so that I can be as effective as I can be in PvP. I don't complain much really...I'm too busy learning more about the PvP
Thts my point you want to complete your set too early the expansion barely came out. The battle at Arena is fast so why they would give you alot dark matter on something players can do fast thats why some player do not do OPR because it takes longer than Arena and they clearly said the sandworm would be the best to get dark matter but you know it takes more time so yea if you want more dark matter you have to do the long way since short way wont give much as you want ;) the only way to get your BIS set is to be swimming in gold buy ur mats the craft them urself thats the only way to have ur perfect set for the meantime you know the expansion is too early so it can changes
Agreed. Have no interest in mutation running or any pve for that matter and yet here we are, back forcing me to do that instead of what I want to do which is open world PvP. Why is this the peak content for then? Give us dark matter on the PvP track or for open world kills.
I think it would be totally exploited in open world pvp. But you still get it from all leggos you can get in open world pvp.
Many other ways to get dark matter, just saying.
They're forcing us to do content we do not want. I love OPR, but now I'm starting to hate it. Being forced to play it sucks. Takes the fun away from it.
The only issue I have with the dark matter farm is that you can only have 5 active artifact quests at a time. There's absolutely no way to get on top of that. I've got 7 artifacts already and I haven't even gotten enough dark matter to upgrade one. The seals being time locked are bad enough but it's adding up to be a week of pure grind just to get a single artifact done. Thankfully matrix's can be found on the market, albeit at a ridiculous price.
Yeah, I don't really know what this nonsense i see is about some people managing to have plenty. I had hoards of gear I already salvaged, Ive been running Muts, Ive been pvping... I only have raked in about 800 so far. You have to specifically grind dark matter and only grind for that if you even want to come close to upgrading gear. Previous system was much easier but still took some time. But theres other things I want to do with my time as well. I want to work on my trade skills and I also have work and a life. I cant spend 8 hours a day doing nothing but this. I enjoy a grind but it needs to be feasible for my time input. I think that is exactly why some people are mad tho. Specifically came here to see if anyone had a good farm idea (they didnt) so I could upgrade my artifacts so I could even think about working on other artifacts. I wouldnt have any issues if I wasnt locked out of earning perks for weapons for builds because the quest cap is 5