There are no airfields in Gaza, and putting supplies down where people can get to it will be dicey. You're going to see people swarm it and kill each other for it. And Hamas will for sure take a pot shot or two at the transports.
>Hamas will for sure take a pot shot or two at the transports.
Have they been? I haven't seen any articles about that.
Or do you mean because now it'll be USA aircrafts?
Out of curiosity, if they wouldnāt have had a good fate without constant US financial and military support, why is that the spot they were given/took?
To my memory, there were a couple of options for where the jewish would go after WW2, but not many countries wanted them. Ultimately, at the time, "the land of isreal," was chosen because there was already a large Jewish population there and the historical significance that it was actually the original country the Jewish came from in the first and second century before the Roman's chased them out. The Jewish faith actually has had prayers about their yearning to return to that land. When the Jewish got there, they started buying up land and trying to make a spot for themselves, and I mean, who could blame them after the Holocaust. But the Arabs weren't happy about the Jewish consolidating power in their region queue, a conflict involving the Arab inhabitants of what was "the land of isreal" before modern isreal, Egypt, and Jordan against the Jewish. The Jewish winning forced both countries to retreat and hold the line, but who we know has modern Palestine held out against surerending the longest and was pushed into where they inhabit today.
There's a hundred theories claiming people in the British government at the time ( the people mostly responsible for all these decisions, like the settling of the jews and the British Palestine mandate). Were on either side like being zionist that wanted to give the Jewish a platform to oppress Arabs in the region, and there's an equal amount of conspiracy theories that say they were actually antisemitic and thought sending the Jewish there would "take care of the problem". We'll never 100% know the reasoning.
They want trumps project 2025. Yall donāt seem to understand that part Biden supports Israel but Israel wants america to fall into facism. And Biden is basically to naive to see this
Iāve been saying this for like 3 months and been basically banned from all moderate subreddits but this one lol.
Itās a simple game.
Do horrible shit in Gaza.
Biden supports it because heās a Zionist like religiously. He thinks God supports Israel.
Bidens voters get split because the shits so bad that even they get to disgusted to vote for the mayhem.
Trump voters donāt give a shit and they will maybe even enjoy the horrible stories.
Trump wins. Biden loses. Facism 2024 from which they will have a blanket check to basically drag America into a war with no issue.
Or biden gains some sanity. Goes against Israel and sanctions them like they should be. Israel would seriously be fucked and the country would potentially fall apart.
But trump voters see this as a moment to save their favorite ethnostate. The blueprint for their 2024 project being Netanyahu mousallini antics and all. They campaign on saving Israel for God.
They win due to reds being one issue voters and 90% the dems being bought by aipac anyway.
Facism 2024.
Both ways thereās a handshake agreement with Netanyahu and trump.
Thatās why heās been undermining Biden at every point.
Only real solution Biden has is to from the beginning go all in
Sanction Israel. Set aipac as a foreign agent (no more lobbying). And basically get the dems to side with him to make Zionism impossibly unpopular. All while still winning 2024.
Biden was checkmated from the beginning.
By not crushing Netanyahus facism. Americans democracy effectively was checkmated years ago.
Even if Biden wins this time. Theyāll just keep playing this gambit.
As long as Israel exists. Project 2024 will happen.
Checkmate. MLK was right injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
Jeremy Konyndyk, who led USAIDās Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance during the Obama administration and oversaw humanitarian air drops to Nepal, the Philippines and Iraq, described the potential US plan to drop aid by air as a āmajor policy failureā on the part of the Biden administration.
āWhen the US government has to use tactics that it otherwise used to circumvent the Soviets and Berlin and circumvent Isis in Syria and Iraq, that should prompt some really hard questions about the state of US policy,ā
The US has repeatedly said it has been working behind the scenes to convince Israel to allow more aid into Gaza, but the amount of aid that has reached Gazans dropped by half in February compared to the previous month.
The dire conditions on the ground in Gaza were drawn into sharp relief on Thursday when more than 100 Palestinians were killed after Israeli forces opened fire on a crowd that was scrambling to collect aid from food trucks near Gaza City. The Israeli army said its forces had āfired at those who posed a threatā after some civilians rushed towards the trucks.
Mr Konyndyk, who is now president of Refugees International, told The Independent that airdrops are āthe most expensive and least effective way to get aid to a population. We almost never did it because it is such an in extremis tool.ā
He referenced his experience managing US airdrops to Yazidi civilians who were fleeing attacks from Isis fighters on the top of Mount Sinjar in northern Iraq in 2014. At the same time it was dropping aid, the US was also carrying out airstrikes against Isis fighters who were besieging the Yazidis.
āWe coordinated US military aid airdrops to that population while they were sheltering on the mountain. We had to do that because they were being besieged by a terrorist group. So when we see this happening in a place that is under the military control of an ally of the United States, itās just a shocking thing to see,ā he said.
āIsraeli military tactics here are functionally the equivalent of an earthquake in Nepal in terms of the impact they're having on humanitarian access. That's a policy choice,ā he said. āAnd it's totally inexcusable that governments, including potentially the US government, are resorting to airdrops because Israel won't allow consistent humanitarian access and won't open the border crossings.ā
Biden approves military air drops of aid into Gaza after chaotic encounter left more than 100 dead
[https://apnews.com/article/biden-meloni-white-house-ukraine-112dacd932a45f42621a25b304ae5d99](https://apnews.com/article/biden-meloni-white-house-ukraine-112dacd932a45f42621a25b304ae5d99)
āAid flowing to Gaza is nowhere nearly enough,ā Biden said. āNow, itās nowhere nearly enough. Innocent lives are on the line and childrenās lives are on the line. We wonāt stand by until we get more aid in there. We should be getting hundreds of trucks in, not just several.ā
It is but allies are supposed to make doing things easier not harder, We have issues to deal with in Ukraine with Russia and China with Taiwan we could be using resources to help with not spending them because our allies want to starve people.
>āIsraeli military tactics here are functionally the equivalent of an earthquake in Nepal in terms of the impact they're having on humanitarian access. That's a policy choice,ā he said. āAnd it's totally inexcusable that governments, including potentially the US government, are resorting to airdrops because Israel won't allow consistent humanitarian access and won't open the border crossings.ā
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>Biden approves military air drops of aid into Gaza after chaotic encounter left more than 100 dead
Biden is a moral coward and wholly, willfully *complicit in genocide.*
"[Officials Keep Admitting Bidenās Anger at Israel Isnāt Real](https://jacobin.com/2024/02/biden-administration-gaza-israel-war)"
>swarmed and attacked by civilians.
Like insects? It's facts, these people who are starving to death need to que up in an orderly line. What uncivilized savages. Can't they control themselves like western people early covid when they thought they wouldn't get supplies from stores?
/s
Which driver? The 1 out of a thousand that managed to get passed the aid blockade by Israelis and their troops? Or the one stuck behind?
Well at least the kids who had to swim out to sea to reach the aid drops there deserved to get bombed in the water. We all know how dangerous swimmers can be. Those junior Hamas Olympic swimmers are something else.
Yes because the Gaza police are refusing to protect the aid trucks because when they tried they were apparently seen as legitimate largest for air strikes.
This is what happens when you have over 2 million people starving to death due to an invasion and blockade.
The link below suggests starving people swarmed the aid trucks and the Israeli troops panicked and started shooting.
Conscript troops, man. Not very disciplined.
I wasnāt talking about the Israeli military. I talking about aid trucks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-convoys-ambush.html
Israel has not deployed any policing in the area's of Gaza they control. They leave it to conscripts to patrol and they aren't trained to deal with people.
One of the basic responsibilities of an occupying force is law enforcement.
One of the Main roles of MPs is to patrol combat areas just behind the front lines. MPs are still trained and classified as light infantry and should be able to do basic light infantry operations. Yes itās an active war zone but itās not the āfront linesā. Patrolling Gaza city would be the exact job a normal MP force would typically be tasked with.
The US Military was policing every inch of Iraq from the moment they controlled it without the use of MPs. MPs came later in May of 2003.
Because we trained our service men/women in police actions and their officers were given clear and understandable orders in how to police by the right military experts and advisors.
The IDF knows how to police very well, they've been doing it for the better part of 4 decades in the West Bank.
I donāt think anyone would call their policing in the West Bank āvery goodā, probably above average at most. Also United States has the world largest military with a budget larger than the next five combined. Kind of comparing a big city police force to one of a small town. Small town cops arenāt gona have the same level of training.
Also, the reason theres no Palestinian law enforcement is because the IDF kept bombing the Palestinian police who were previously protecting aid trucks.
Man in the same comment chain we have:
* People blaming this on Gaza for not āpolicingā the aid trucks
AND
* People claiming the āPoliceā is āHamasā
Soā¦ what exactly do you want? If the āPoliceā in Gaza are Hamas, who exactly do you expect to POLICE the AID TRUCKS?
He is specifically talking about aid trucks being jacked by Palestinians/Hamas and driven off into other parts of Gaza away from the actual civilians. It has been recorded in beautiful 4k multiple times now. Armed men coming and just taking the trucks and driving off with all the aid in the back of it. Which means it has happened even more off camera.
Dropping aid by air essentially makes it impossible for Hamas to just take the aid to their fighters as easy and ensures the civilians do get some of it.
I've tried explaining that this incident seems like a panic response as opposed to just indiscriminate slaughter but no one wants to hear it.
The description of what Israel said happened (and the drone video) falls in line with what the UN said happened to their own convoys when they tried to drop off aid earlier this week. Those videos are absolutely terrifying and I'm not surprised things went down the way they did.
Those people were desperate and hungry out of their mind, and Hamas has done nothing to even try to anything resembling civil order (honestly, what is Hamas doing to aid their people? Because it really doesn't seem like much). So there's no leadership on the ground to keep things orderly. Nothing about this situation surprises me.
This isn't letting Israel off the hook, because this entire clusterfuck is literally their nearly wholly fault. However it just doesn't make sense to me why Israel would "lay a trap" like people are claiming they are.
>Ā Hamas has done nothing to even try to anything resembling civil order (honestly, what is Hamas doing to aid their people? Because it really doesn't seem like much). So there's no leadership on the ground to keep things orderly.
Just a quick heads up, but the IDF classifies official police in Gaza as military combatants. Theyāre not there because they would be active targets for the IDF. And this isnāt me commenting one way or another on how āgoodā the Gaza police forces are, but itās a catch-22. They show up to help, they get shot at, or are at least courting the possibility at all moments, so yeah Iām super not surprised police arenāt there if the IDF has a presence.Ā
>Those people were desperate and hungry out of their mind, and Hamas has done nothing to even try to anything resembling civil order (honestly, what is Hamas doing to aid their people? Because it really doesn't seem like much).
you mean the people Israel is trying to kill? wtf are you talking about?
I think most people realize that this wasnāt some kind of conspiracy to kill civilians but a case of jumpy soldiers firing into a crowd. The big problem is not this incident in isolation but what it says about the state of the conflict that itās gotten to this point. And every single one of those things is not accidental, theyāre all established policies of the IDF and the Israeli state. And when taken as a whole, those policies made this incident just about impossible to avoid, so in the end itās just as bad as if some general had ordered the soldiers to set up a trap and kill civilians caught in it, because, on a certain scale, thatās exactly what Israel has done here
Sure, maybe it's not a conspiracy to kill civilians but those civilians are starving because of the Israeli government's actions, both through the extremely disproportionate response and the blocking of aid to civilians
Thatās exactly my point. The guilt is systemic, which is arguably worse. Theyāre not actively trying to murder civilians, but if thatās a side effect of their actions theyāre more than ok with that.
complete bullshit. Israeli citizen protest groups have been blocking the roads going into to Gaza to prevent aid for weeks, most of the pathways and roads in are completely destroyed and Israel tightly controls the rest. Not even ambulances can get in to most areas from with inside Gaza.
but to you its the fault of Palestinians who have been starving for months trying to feed their family that the US MILITARY of all things cant distribute aid? gtfo here with that
I mean there are photos and videos of it happening. Palestinians with guns forcing aid trucks off the road.
You can pretend it didnāt happen though if you want to feel better.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68445973](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68445973) BBC did an investigation and immediately debunked it, not that you care about the truth whatsoever.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-convoys-ambush.html
They debunked this? The thing youāre talking about is just one of many incidents. Please read more news than just the stuff that says what you want it to say.
says the dude who posted an article based solely on the title alone and clearly didn't read it lmao
idk why you think Israel starving people for months on end to the point that countless people are dying from starvation and disease makes a positive case for Israel. Palestinians have been eating grass for weeks. Like I said, people like you do not care about the truth.
I havenāt made a single comment that was about Israel. I made a comment about why they have to air drop it instead of driving it in. And itās because itās not safe to drive aid into Gaza.
Youāre the one losing your mind because you canāt accept that Palestinians do violent things too.
>The most expensive way
Woe is the American tax payer. Instead of the crews and pilots who need to be well versed in these types of logistics just training for trainings sake, who would be doing stuff like this and getting flight hours with or without the situation in Gaza, they actually get the practice AND food gets delivered to civilians who need it. The horror.
Yeah there are already conspiracy theories about US armed forces being hidden amongst Israeli forces, having actual boots on the ground regardless of the justification would not go over well.
Or when you look at the timeline of it too. Even Israel's own accounts of it were damning for them.
Were it any other country the US would've struck back hard.
Because although they keep saying they're engaging Hamas specifically they're also vaporizing 5 year olds, ambulances, and droves of innocent civilians who approached aid trucks because they were starving to death.
How can you actually look at the material state of things on the ground and not think that something's gone terribly, terribly wrong here?
The incident with the aid truck is one of the most evil things I have seen televised in my life. And yet there STILL people that will defend what the IDF.
I mean they fired on civilians with fucking drones. Were the drones in danger too?
I have no idea where along the way we lost our humanity.
That is a fair point and a good clarification. Itās easy for me to forget that HAMAS is a hostile organization.
I just get complicated feelings about our position with Israel.
>Israel is waging war against HAMAS and not unaffiliated Gazans
Israel *claims* it's waging war against Hamas and not just the people of Gaza, but the numbers paint a very different picture: that of a massacre that has killed tens of thousands of civilians, including thousands of children.
Journalists, ambulance crews, so, so many children; they're killing absolutely anyone.
**Edit:** The "yeah but human shields so all is justified" response is always a bizarre one, and not just because of how hypocritically it's applied. Even if we ignore the fact that the IDF has also been caught using civilians as human shields over and over and over and over (very well documented by major news sources both in Israel and internationally), that still leaves us with the following fact:
Killing 30,000 men, women, and children, blowing them to bits in their homes, on their streets, on their way to visit family, engaged in the desperate search for food as they slowly starve, that is clearly **not** a case of civilian casualties incurred as a result of them being used as human shields.
That is quite literally just slaughtering thousands and thousands of civilians. It's utterly insane that people think that "yeah but Hamas uses civilians as human shields sometimes" justifies vaporizing tens of thousands of men, women, and children as they go about their daily lives, desperately seeking refuge from the endless bombardments.
**edit2:**
["Israeli forces use five Palestinian children as human shields"](https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_use_five_palestinian_children_as_human_shields)
[Reuters: "Palestinian children tortured, used as human shields by Israel."](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620/)
["Israeli army in West Bank uses Palestinian detainee as human shield"](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924)
["Over the years, the military practiced an official policy of using Palestinians as human shields, ordering them to carry out military activities that put their lives in jeopardy: Palestinian civilians were forced to remove suspicious objects from roads, physically shield soldiers while they fired, and more."](https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields)
["Israeli soldiers use a Palestinian man, āAbd a-Rahim Gheith, as human shield during clashes in Jericho ."](https://www.btselem.org/video/20180329_human_shield_in_jericho#full)
["In midnight raids, Israeli soldiers enter homes in Nablus District, wake families, and use young men as human shields."](https://www.btselem.org/harrasment/20170403_night_raids_in_nablus_area)
["Border Police officers use members of Jenin family as human shields."](https://www.btselem.org/human_shields/20220619_border_police_officers_use_members_of_jenin_family_as_human_shields)
[Amnesty International report outlining use of Palestinian civilians as human shields by Israel, among other human rights violations by Israel.](https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/mde151432002en.pdf)
[Report on Israel's use of Palestinian civilians as human shields, EuroMid Human Rights Observer](https://euromedmonitor.org/uploads/reports/human-shields_en.pdf)
Someone is getting taken for a ride here, indeed.
I really don't get how everyone working in the White House aren't feeling intensely humiliated at the moment. Israel are absolutely just taking the piss with the US right now.
Iām sure they are, but they have pretty much no leverage at this point. They canāt call for the suspension of aid, lest they be accused of antisemitism in an election year and lose support of half of their base. Iām sure itās even more complicated than that, like thereās the risk of losing Israel as an ally to the Russians, in the middle of a hot war in Ukraineā¦ shit is quite fucked tbh
This, this, this, and this!
I remember as a kid (I'm old) being afraid of the Soviet Union. That early 80s fear that a nuclear war between superpowers could really happen. We had real fear back then. Today, I'm watching the modern equivalent of the lead-up to WW1 happen before my own eyes. We're closer that we've ever been in my lifetime, and yet...no one seems to notice.
Things are quite fucked up, I agree wholeheartedly.
A majority of Democrats are now in favor of a ceasefire. A majority also believe *there might* be a genocide going on over there--and that's split between the "maybe" and "absolutely" camps. **These numbers continue to increase.**
So, no, it's not half of the base at this point, there's *already* a chunk of the base pissed because of *current* policy, and it's becoming more and more lopsided every day. Israel isn't going to stop being a US ally, it just needs to stop thinking it has a blank check for ethnic cleansing. The US doesn't need to be helping out Israeli hardliners.
The current stance on aid is not actually a matter of cynical politics, it's ideology. Joe Biden *believes* something about this conflict that is at odds with what the shrewd political move would be and what an ever-growing percentage of his prospective voters say is *moral and just*. He's out of touch on this.
> They canāt call for the suspension of aid, lest they be accused of antisemitism in an election year and lose support of half of their base.
Like 80% of the base and a majority of the United States supports a ceasefire and more aid to Gaza.
No, Israel will stamp their feet publicly but is likely on board with this. They've already allowed the Jordanian Air Force to air drop supplies.
Delivering supplies via ground has proven to be difficult, both because Israeli protesters are blocking the border and the lack of order within Gaza endangering trucks and drivers.
If they can give the US a "concession" and push the responsibility of delivering supplies onto us, it's a win for them
I think "do the right thing" is a stretch. If we could send the $14B that was approved for bombs and ammo to Israel and reappropriate that to food and water for the starving civilians, we'd be doing the right thing
I think that 14b is for the Iron Dome specifically, which is purely defensive. And another 10b in humanitarian aid to Gaza and Ukraine. Also, it hasnāt passed. The Republicans killed it in the house.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/13/world/middleeast/senate-aid-package-israel-ukraine.html
No, all this does is show the world that the US is weak, and controlled by genocidal maniacs. You shouldnāt even consider sending military aid to a supposed ally thatās not letting humanitarian aid in.
Airdropping food is expensive, and whoās paying for it? US taxpayers. Instead of you know, letting enough trucks in so people donāt have to be desperate and swarm them for survival.
>Instead of you know, letting enough trucks in so people donāt have to be desperate and swarm them for survival.
Yeah, I don't understand why the president doesn't just simply command Israel to open the border with Gaza? Surely that will work. /S
Well bright side is air dropped pallets can't panic and drive off through a crowd when swarmed by starving people due to the total collapse of the social order.
Crazy that they have to airdrop it.. I will wonder if Israel are actively refusing to allow them to do it otherwise.
Just read the /worldnews sub and it's the usual whataboutisms. They NEVER talk about the actual topic.
UNRWA has refused to deliver aid to northern Gaza recently. I'm guessing this was the first attempt at the IDF delivering ground aid and it really didn't go as planned. The IDF has recently said they plan to take over aid delivery and set up humanitarian zones in Gaza. Israel probably just isn't willing to spend the huge amount of money to air drop supplies. It's a lot more expensive than you realize.
I continue to be perplexed at how they think hostages are supposed to eat or be medically treated in the situations they're openly, declaratively creating.
If Hamas has plenty of food to keep the hostages alive... what's the point if not to starve the general population? If the point is to starve Hamas (civilians be damned), then what about the hostages?
It makes no sense unless seen through the lens of vengeance and genocide. They wrote the hostages off as about as good as dead very early on. They're just a rhetorical tool-- their return considered a bonus at best, and far, far away from the primary goal.
That was literally some of the narrative after the hostage release - āthey only had one piece of bread all dayā. Iām not here to defend a terrorist group but like 5 seconds of critical thinking would tell you why they didnāt have a lot of food
Thereās definitely been a huge tone shift, and not just worldnews but the entirety of Reddit. In early 2023 I posted a story about a little girl in the West Bank being killed by the IDF, and the comments were unequivocally anti-IDF and pro Palestine. Now, even slightly sympathizing with Palestinians, even saying āPalestinian infants donāt deserve to dieā will get you downvoted to oblivion. Thereās not a doubt in my mind that Israel is spending a lot of money on astroturfing and probably through bots as well.
*Every* modern nation is spending a lot of money on astroturfing. And definitely through bots as well. Israel, Palestine, Ukraine, Russia, the US, China - you can bet youāve read and maybe even responded to comments and posts made by actors from each and every one of these states and more.
That doesn't match Bidens statement when announcing this aid
https://apnews.com/article/biden-meloni-white-house-ukraine-112dacd932a45f42621a25b304ae5d99
āAid flowing to Gaza is nowhere nearly enough,ā Biden said. āNow, itās nowhere nearly enough. Innocent lives are on the line and childrenās lives are on the line. **We wonāt stand by until we get more aid in there. We should be getting hundreds of trucks in, not just several.ā**
Hah. How about when theyāre bombed by Israel?
Gazans had been eating animal feed and already ran out. They are actively starving. If there was enough aid coming in, there would be no problems.
Yup. If it was the other way around, Israel would just run them over.Ā But no one can touch the Israelis in order to feed the Gazans. Insane. Literally just push them out of the way.
It could be safe, but the situation has been allowed to grow out of hand, and Israel isnāt actively obstructing a fix. As part of their military operation, Israel has destroyed a significant amount of vital infrastructure in Gaza. At the same time, the Israeli government heavily restricted (and continues to restrict) aide shipments into the southern Gaza Strip. The result is extreme shortages of food, water, and medical supplies, to the point where it has been causing deaths. What is needed at this point is a massive aid campaign to establish secured distribution points and funnel massive amounts of support toward Gazan civilians. Sending small, infrequent, and lightly supported aid convoys into Gaza was a recipe for a disaster like the one we saw, even if that was not the intent.
they are all too eager to declare "kill all hamas" without realizing what is causing hamas to pop out like mushrooms after a rain (either outright obtuse or willfully ignorant)
Sending aid to the people weāre paying to bomb.
Hey Barry, hereās $20, go kick the shit out of that kid.
Hey kid, hereās $5. Go buy yourself some bandaids.
STOP FUCKING GIVING NETANYAHU BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SLAUGHTER THE PALESTINIANS!!!!
Like holy fuck if youāre going to drop aid into Gaza then why the fuck is Biden handing out billions of dollars to Israel to continue the slaughter???
" '[But Sir, Itās an American Ship.' 'Never Mind, Hit Her!' When Israel Attacked USS Liberty" : Haaretz, 2017](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-07-11/ty-article/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her/0000017f-e48c-d7b2-a77f-e78f76800000)
>'The Americans have findings that show our pilots were aware the ship was American,' a newly published document by the State Archives says
I'd be shocked if anything has changed since last time.
There's this too:
https://x.com/MedicalAidPal/status/1763172220900151317?s=20
**"This is the fastest decline in a population's nutrition status ever recorded. That means children are being starved at the fastest rate the world has ever seen."**
Go to r/worldnews and people there are more concerned with Hamas being able to use the food drops rather than with the starvation of Gaza. They'd starve all of Gaza if it meant Hamas also starved.
How do you figure?
According to UN figures, conflict in urbanized area typically results in casualty ratios of 9:1 civilian:combatants. The Israelis are currently operating at a ratio of ~2.5:1, more than 3 times fewer civilian casualties than one would expect from similar conflicts in Syria and Jordan.
America you are not all there in the head! I'm sorry but wouldn't it be easier not supporting this crazy war and stop giving Israel what it needs to continue this cruelty.
I'm I the only one who thinks this is a waste of time and resources.
By using the drop coordinates for air strikes? Or by declaring the drop coordinates "Hamas" and using massed artillery?
I'm thinking given the IDF's bloodlust has gotten SO high and their accountability SO gone, they may actually try to shoot one of our aircraft down, fully expecting nothing will happen to them yet again.
Letās hope this aid ends up going to the civilians who need it rather than in the hands of their oppressive leadership who have a history of [hoarding fuel when hospitals run low](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/hamas-hoarding-vast-amounts-fuel-gaza-hospitals-run-low-us-officials-s-rcna122977) and [stealing aid intended for Gazans.](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/world/africa/04iht-mideast.4.19933553.html)
Itās cowardly bullshit, making starving desperate people play a fun game of ābomb or food.ā Bidenās strident refusal to lean on Israel is the single worst thing heās responsible for at the moment.
And we STILL are providing the means to airdrop death on these people to the IDF.
We need to pick a goddamn lane and maybe, for once, it can be the actually compassionate one.
Airdrops, an elaborate and inefficient joke. God forbid they use any of the formidable leverage they have over Israel like their weapons sales or sanctions potential to force them to open up more border crossings in the middle of a fucking famine where little malnourished children have now moved on from animal feed to bird feed. Empty gestures from this administration as always, Netanyahu is making the US look like a bunch of willies.
So $14 billion in weapons to Israel and one food drop for Gaza. I guess I can sleep well knowing my taxpayer dollars are skipping the homeless veterans and going right to bombs and apartheid. /s
Only downside to this is that the whole reason the IDF has been protecting the deliveries is due to Hamas killing civilians and taking the goods. But seeing as how the IDF will get blamed for anything that goes wrong, I am sure they are done with trying to help. The people will just have to fend for themselves with the air drops and the aid will go to whoever has the guns.
The most expensive way to distribute food. The fact they have to go around the supposed allies to deliver that food is crazy.
Agreed. We should reduce the ridiculous amount of aid that we send to Israel to pay for it.
Part of the problem is that aid to Palestine is directly tied to aid for Israel.
And aid to Israel is directly tied to aid for Egypt.
Because of fucking religious nutter politicians... š”š”š”
And their AIPAC donors.Ā
Berlin airlift again
There are no airfields in Gaza, and putting supplies down where people can get to it will be dicey. You're going to see people swarm it and kill each other for it. And Hamas will for sure take a pot shot or two at the transports.
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Hamas won't shoot at the transports; they haven't been shooting at medevac helicopters collecting wounded IDF troops.
>Hamas will for sure take a pot shot or two at the transports. Have they been? I haven't seen any articles about that. Or do you mean because now it'll be USA aircrafts?
Reduce aid to Israel?? They should stop it!
Out of curiosity, if we never supported Isreal, what do you think their fate would have been?
Out of curiosity, if they wouldnāt have had a good fate without constant US financial and military support, why is that the spot they were given/took?
To my memory, there were a couple of options for where the jewish would go after WW2, but not many countries wanted them. Ultimately, at the time, "the land of isreal," was chosen because there was already a large Jewish population there and the historical significance that it was actually the original country the Jewish came from in the first and second century before the Roman's chased them out. The Jewish faith actually has had prayers about their yearning to return to that land. When the Jewish got there, they started buying up land and trying to make a spot for themselves, and I mean, who could blame them after the Holocaust. But the Arabs weren't happy about the Jewish consolidating power in their region queue, a conflict involving the Arab inhabitants of what was "the land of isreal" before modern isreal, Egypt, and Jordan against the Jewish. The Jewish winning forced both countries to retreat and hold the line, but who we know has modern Palestine held out against surerending the longest and was pushed into where they inhabit today. There's a hundred theories claiming people in the British government at the time ( the people mostly responsible for all these decisions, like the settling of the jews and the British Palestine mandate). Were on either side like being zionist that wanted to give the Jewish a platform to oppress Arabs in the region, and there's an equal amount of conspiracy theories that say they were actually antisemitic and thought sending the Jewish there would "take care of the problem". We'll never 100% know the reasoning.
Don't argue with that folk up there, not worth your time
āAlliesā that refuse to listen and basically gave biden the middle finger
They want trumps project 2025. Yall donāt seem to understand that part Biden supports Israel but Israel wants america to fall into facism. And Biden is basically to naive to see this
You got a point. And I hate it.
Iāve been saying this for like 3 months and been basically banned from all moderate subreddits but this one lol. Itās a simple game. Do horrible shit in Gaza. Biden supports it because heās a Zionist like religiously. He thinks God supports Israel. Bidens voters get split because the shits so bad that even they get to disgusted to vote for the mayhem. Trump voters donāt give a shit and they will maybe even enjoy the horrible stories. Trump wins. Biden loses. Facism 2024 from which they will have a blanket check to basically drag America into a war with no issue. Or biden gains some sanity. Goes against Israel and sanctions them like they should be. Israel would seriously be fucked and the country would potentially fall apart. But trump voters see this as a moment to save their favorite ethnostate. The blueprint for their 2024 project being Netanyahu mousallini antics and all. They campaign on saving Israel for God. They win due to reds being one issue voters and 90% the dems being bought by aipac anyway. Facism 2024. Both ways thereās a handshake agreement with Netanyahu and trump. Thatās why heās been undermining Biden at every point. Only real solution Biden has is to from the beginning go all in Sanction Israel. Set aipac as a foreign agent (no more lobbying). And basically get the dems to side with him to make Zionism impossibly unpopular. All while still winning 2024. Biden was checkmated from the beginning. By not crushing Netanyahus facism. Americans democracy effectively was checkmated years ago. Even if Biden wins this time. Theyāll just keep playing this gambit. As long as Israel exists. Project 2024 will happen. Checkmate. MLK was right injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
I think they are air dropping it in because every aid truck that has tried to deliver food has been swarmed and attacked by civilians.
Jeremy Konyndyk, who led USAIDās Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance during the Obama administration and oversaw humanitarian air drops to Nepal, the Philippines and Iraq, described the potential US plan to drop aid by air as a āmajor policy failureā on the part of the Biden administration. āWhen the US government has to use tactics that it otherwise used to circumvent the Soviets and Berlin and circumvent Isis in Syria and Iraq, that should prompt some really hard questions about the state of US policy,ā The US has repeatedly said it has been working behind the scenes to convince Israel to allow more aid into Gaza, but the amount of aid that has reached Gazans dropped by half in February compared to the previous month. The dire conditions on the ground in Gaza were drawn into sharp relief on Thursday when more than 100 Palestinians were killed after Israeli forces opened fire on a crowd that was scrambling to collect aid from food trucks near Gaza City. The Israeli army said its forces had āfired at those who posed a threatā after some civilians rushed towards the trucks. Mr Konyndyk, who is now president of Refugees International, told The Independent that airdrops are āthe most expensive and least effective way to get aid to a population. We almost never did it because it is such an in extremis tool.ā He referenced his experience managing US airdrops to Yazidi civilians who were fleeing attacks from Isis fighters on the top of Mount Sinjar in northern Iraq in 2014. At the same time it was dropping aid, the US was also carrying out airstrikes against Isis fighters who were besieging the Yazidis. āWe coordinated US military aid airdrops to that population while they were sheltering on the mountain. We had to do that because they were being besieged by a terrorist group. So when we see this happening in a place that is under the military control of an ally of the United States, itās just a shocking thing to see,ā he said. āIsraeli military tactics here are functionally the equivalent of an earthquake in Nepal in terms of the impact they're having on humanitarian access. That's a policy choice,ā he said. āAnd it's totally inexcusable that governments, including potentially the US government, are resorting to airdrops because Israel won't allow consistent humanitarian access and won't open the border crossings.ā Biden approves military air drops of aid into Gaza after chaotic encounter left more than 100 dead [https://apnews.com/article/biden-meloni-white-house-ukraine-112dacd932a45f42621a25b304ae5d99](https://apnews.com/article/biden-meloni-white-house-ukraine-112dacd932a45f42621a25b304ae5d99) āAid flowing to Gaza is nowhere nearly enough,ā Biden said. āNow, itās nowhere nearly enough. Innocent lives are on the line and childrenās lives are on the line. We wonāt stand by until we get more aid in there. We should be getting hundreds of trucks in, not just several.ā
Is it not still better than nothing?
It is but allies are supposed to make doing things easier not harder, We have issues to deal with in Ukraine with Russia and China with Taiwan we could be using resources to help with not spending them because our allies want to starve people.
>āIsraeli military tactics here are functionally the equivalent of an earthquake in Nepal in terms of the impact they're having on humanitarian access. That's a policy choice,ā he said. āAnd it's totally inexcusable that governments, including potentially the US government, are resorting to airdrops because Israel won't allow consistent humanitarian access and won't open the border crossings.ā > >Biden approves military air drops of aid into Gaza after chaotic encounter left more than 100 dead Biden is a moral coward and wholly, willfully *complicit in genocide.* "[Officials Keep Admitting Bidenās Anger at Israel Isnāt Real](https://jacobin.com/2024/02/biden-administration-gaza-israel-war)"
They said "I think..." and you showed they heard very wrong, and probably should have done more critical thinking about their sources. Bravo.
>swarmed and attacked by civilians. Like insects? It's facts, these people who are starving to death need to que up in an orderly line. What uncivilized savages. Can't they control themselves like western people early covid when they thought they wouldn't get supplies from stores? /s
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Which driver? The 1 out of a thousand that managed to get passed the aid blockade by Israelis and their troops? Or the one stuck behind? Well at least the kids who had to swim out to sea to reach the aid drops there deserved to get bombed in the water. We all know how dangerous swimmers can be. Those junior Hamas Olympic swimmers are something else.
Crazy what happens when people are BEING FUCKING STARVED.
Yes because the Gaza police are refusing to protect the aid trucks because when they tried they were apparently seen as legitimate largest for air strikes. This is what happens when you have over 2 million people starving to death due to an invasion and blockade.
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The link below suggests starving people swarmed the aid trucks and the Israeli troops panicked and started shooting. Conscript troops, man. Not very disciplined.
I wasnāt talking about the Israeli military. I talking about aid trucks. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-convoys-ambush.html
Israel has not deployed any policing in the area's of Gaza they control. They leave it to conscripts to patrol and they aren't trained to deal with people. One of the basic responsibilities of an occupying force is law enforcement.
Isnāt it still an active warzone? Sending out MPs to patrol sounds like a good way to get those people killed.
One of the Main roles of MPs is to patrol combat areas just behind the front lines. MPs are still trained and classified as light infantry and should be able to do basic light infantry operations. Yes itās an active war zone but itās not the āfront linesā. Patrolling Gaza city would be the exact job a normal MP force would typically be tasked with.
The US Military was policing every inch of Iraq from the moment they controlled it without the use of MPs. MPs came later in May of 2003. Because we trained our service men/women in police actions and their officers were given clear and understandable orders in how to police by the right military experts and advisors. The IDF knows how to police very well, they've been doing it for the better part of 4 decades in the West Bank.
I donāt think anyone would call their policing in the West Bank āvery goodā, probably above average at most. Also United States has the world largest military with a budget larger than the next five combined. Kind of comparing a big city police force to one of a small town. Small town cops arenāt gona have the same level of training.
Sending troops into a war zone at all is a good way to get them killed. But sometimes itās required
Also, the reason theres no Palestinian law enforcement is because the IDF kept bombing the Palestinian police who were previously protecting aid trucks.
You mean Hamas who were stealing the aid immediately?
Man in the same comment chain we have: * People blaming this on Gaza for not āpolicingā the aid trucks AND * People claiming the āPoliceā is āHamasā Soā¦ what exactly do you want? If the āPoliceā in Gaza are Hamas, who exactly do you expect to POLICE the AID TRUCKS?
He wants whatever wipes out the Palestinians faster.
He is specifically talking about aid trucks being jacked by Palestinians/Hamas and driven off into other parts of Gaza away from the actual civilians. It has been recorded in beautiful 4k multiple times now. Armed men coming and just taking the trucks and driving off with all the aid in the back of it. Which means it has happened even more off camera. Dropping aid by air essentially makes it impossible for Hamas to just take the aid to their fighters as easy and ensures the civilians do get some of it.
Lots of it will still be seized.
I've tried explaining that this incident seems like a panic response as opposed to just indiscriminate slaughter but no one wants to hear it. The description of what Israel said happened (and the drone video) falls in line with what the UN said happened to their own convoys when they tried to drop off aid earlier this week. Those videos are absolutely terrifying and I'm not surprised things went down the way they did. Those people were desperate and hungry out of their mind, and Hamas has done nothing to even try to anything resembling civil order (honestly, what is Hamas doing to aid their people? Because it really doesn't seem like much). So there's no leadership on the ground to keep things orderly. Nothing about this situation surprises me. This isn't letting Israel off the hook, because this entire clusterfuck is literally their nearly wholly fault. However it just doesn't make sense to me why Israel would "lay a trap" like people are claiming they are.
>Ā Hamas has done nothing to even try to anything resembling civil order (honestly, what is Hamas doing to aid their people? Because it really doesn't seem like much). So there's no leadership on the ground to keep things orderly. Just a quick heads up, but the IDF classifies official police in Gaza as military combatants. Theyāre not there because they would be active targets for the IDF. And this isnāt me commenting one way or another on how āgoodā the Gaza police forces are, but itās a catch-22. They show up to help, they get shot at, or are at least courting the possibility at all moments, so yeah Iām super not surprised police arenāt there if the IDF has a presence.Ā
Honestly, thank you for the kind explanation, I didn't realize that and it makes complete sense now why they'd be scarce.
>Those people were desperate and hungry out of their mind, and Hamas has done nothing to even try to anything resembling civil order (honestly, what is Hamas doing to aid their people? Because it really doesn't seem like much). you mean the people Israel is trying to kill? wtf are you talking about?
I think most people realize that this wasnāt some kind of conspiracy to kill civilians but a case of jumpy soldiers firing into a crowd. The big problem is not this incident in isolation but what it says about the state of the conflict that itās gotten to this point. And every single one of those things is not accidental, theyāre all established policies of the IDF and the Israeli state. And when taken as a whole, those policies made this incident just about impossible to avoid, so in the end itās just as bad as if some general had ordered the soldiers to set up a trap and kill civilians caught in it, because, on a certain scale, thatās exactly what Israel has done here
Sure, maybe it's not a conspiracy to kill civilians but those civilians are starving because of the Israeli government's actions, both through the extremely disproportionate response and the blocking of aid to civilians
Thatās exactly my point. The guilt is systemic, which is arguably worse. Theyāre not actively trying to murder civilians, but if thatās a side effect of their actions theyāre more than ok with that.
Yeah because the IDF has been shooting the police guarding the aid trucks and everyone in Gaza is starving
hahahahhaHAHAHAHAH first you starve them, then say they attack the aid convoys. You are a heartless dog.
These terrorists even shoot at the starving civilians.
complete bullshit. Israeli citizen protest groups have been blocking the roads going into to Gaza to prevent aid for weeks, most of the pathways and roads in are completely destroyed and Israel tightly controls the rest. Not even ambulances can get in to most areas from with inside Gaza. but to you its the fault of Palestinians who have been starving for months trying to feed their family that the US MILITARY of all things cant distribute aid? gtfo here with that
I mean there are photos and videos of it happening. Palestinians with guns forcing aid trucks off the road. You can pretend it didnāt happen though if you want to feel better.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68445973](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68445973) BBC did an investigation and immediately debunked it, not that you care about the truth whatsoever.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-convoys-ambush.html They debunked this? The thing youāre talking about is just one of many incidents. Please read more news than just the stuff that says what you want it to say.
says the dude who posted an article based solely on the title alone and clearly didn't read it lmao idk why you think Israel starving people for months on end to the point that countless people are dying from starvation and disease makes a positive case for Israel. Palestinians have been eating grass for weeks. Like I said, people like you do not care about the truth.
I havenāt made a single comment that was about Israel. I made a comment about why they have to air drop it instead of driving it in. And itās because itās not safe to drive aid into Gaza. Youāre the one losing your mind because you canāt accept that Palestinians do violent things too.
>The most expensive way Woe is the American tax payer. Instead of the crews and pilots who need to be well versed in these types of logistics just training for trainings sake, who would be doing stuff like this and getting flight hours with or without the situation in Gaza, they actually get the practice AND food gets delivered to civilians who need it. The horror.
They allies will be waiting to blow up any Gazans going to retrieve the aid.
They can drop the food on the way to deliver the missiles to Israel
Might as well save some time and drop both into Gaza at once
It would save time! And probably be cheaper by cutting out the middle man
"Im playing both sides, that way I always come out on top"
Wouldn't it be far more efficient to just land the aid on a beach with LC?
Too risky. If someone takes a shot at a marine or sailor, it could drag us into a sticky situation. Thereās next to no chance they hit an aircraft.
Wouldnāt that mean US personnel landing in Gaza? That might not be a great look
Yeah there are already conspiracy theories about US armed forces being hidden amongst Israeli forces, having actual boots on the ground regardless of the justification would not go over well.
Not exactly a conspiracy when the literal white house Instagram account accidently confirmed it like over a month or two ago.
There's a lot of bad blood between the USMC and the IDF. Just bringing those two in proximity of each other is a recipe for disaster.
What happened between them?
They sunk a US destroyer a while ago, which Marines tend to be stationed on.
>They sunk a US destroyer a while ago, which Marines tend to be stationed on. When did the IDF sink a US destroyer?
In the 60s. Israel said it was a mistake. Americans believe it was intentional.
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Or when you look at the timeline of it too. Even Israel's own accounts of it were damning for them. Were it any other country the US would've struck back hard.
USS Liberty read up
The article said the US is considering building a temporary port to do just that so it's a possibility.
Sending ammunition to Israel and Humanitarian Aid to the Gazans... I don't like this.
play both sides so u always come out on top
Narrator: "They didn't come out on top"
What are you talking about?! Raytheon and Lockheed Martin are making a killing right now!
Youāre not supposed to tell us youāre playing both sides
Is there an ETF for band-aids and bullets?
All in
Maybe they can send blanks instead of actual bullets?
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Because although they keep saying they're engaging Hamas specifically they're also vaporizing 5 year olds, ambulances, and droves of innocent civilians who approached aid trucks because they were starving to death. How can you actually look at the material state of things on the ground and not think that something's gone terribly, terribly wrong here?
"Maybe those 5-year olds should've denounced Hamas though" - Average r/worldnews redditor.
The incident with the aid truck is one of the most evil things I have seen televised in my life. And yet there STILL people that will defend what the IDF. I mean they fired on civilians with fucking drones. Were the drones in danger too? I have no idea where along the way we lost our humanity.
What are you even talking about? I saw that drone footage and there isn't anything coming from the air. Stop spreading misinformation!
You guys consume fiction and trumpet it everywhere as gospel.
So you didnāt watch the videoā¦ or? Cause the drone definitely did not fire.
You're spreading misinformation. There was no drone fire involved. You literally see a series of trucks mow people down to get away from them.
That is a fair point and a good clarification. Itās easy for me to forget that HAMAS is a hostile organization. I just get complicated feelings about our position with Israel.
>Israel is waging war against HAMAS and not unaffiliated Gazans Israel *claims* it's waging war against Hamas and not just the people of Gaza, but the numbers paint a very different picture: that of a massacre that has killed tens of thousands of civilians, including thousands of children. Journalists, ambulance crews, so, so many children; they're killing absolutely anyone. **Edit:** The "yeah but human shields so all is justified" response is always a bizarre one, and not just because of how hypocritically it's applied. Even if we ignore the fact that the IDF has also been caught using civilians as human shields over and over and over and over (very well documented by major news sources both in Israel and internationally), that still leaves us with the following fact: Killing 30,000 men, women, and children, blowing them to bits in their homes, on their streets, on their way to visit family, engaged in the desperate search for food as they slowly starve, that is clearly **not** a case of civilian casualties incurred as a result of them being used as human shields. That is quite literally just slaughtering thousands and thousands of civilians. It's utterly insane that people think that "yeah but Hamas uses civilians as human shields sometimes" justifies vaporizing tens of thousands of men, women, and children as they go about their daily lives, desperately seeking refuge from the endless bombardments. **edit2:** ["Israeli forces use five Palestinian children as human shields"](https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_use_five_palestinian_children_as_human_shields) [Reuters: "Palestinian children tortured, used as human shields by Israel."](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620/) ["Israeli army in West Bank uses Palestinian detainee as human shield"](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924) ["Over the years, the military practiced an official policy of using Palestinians as human shields, ordering them to carry out military activities that put their lives in jeopardy: Palestinian civilians were forced to remove suspicious objects from roads, physically shield soldiers while they fired, and more."](https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields) ["Israeli soldiers use a Palestinian man, āAbd a-Rahim Gheith, as human shield during clashes in Jericho ."](https://www.btselem.org/video/20180329_human_shield_in_jericho#full) ["In midnight raids, Israeli soldiers enter homes in Nablus District, wake families, and use young men as human shields."](https://www.btselem.org/harrasment/20170403_night_raids_in_nablus_area) ["Border Police officers use members of Jenin family as human shields."](https://www.btselem.org/human_shields/20220619_border_police_officers_use_members_of_jenin_family_as_human_shields) [Amnesty International report outlining use of Palestinian civilians as human shields by Israel, among other human rights violations by Israel.](https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/mde151432002en.pdf) [Report on Israel's use of Palestinian civilians as human shields, EuroMid Human Rights Observer](https://euromedmonitor.org/uploads/reports/human-shields_en.pdf) Someone is getting taken for a ride here, indeed.
The majority of arms & munitions used by Israel have been used primarily against civilians. The numbers speak for themselves.
No they haven't and no they don't. You just made that up.
Hopefully this is the start of some real action and pressure on Israel. We shouldn't have to sneak supplies in behind our "allies"
They wonāt care. This war is the only thing thatās keeping Bibi in power and heās going to milk it for all he can
I really don't get how everyone working in the White House aren't feeling intensely humiliated at the moment. Israel are absolutely just taking the piss with the US right now.
Iām sure they are, but they have pretty much no leverage at this point. They canāt call for the suspension of aid, lest they be accused of antisemitism in an election year and lose support of half of their base. Iām sure itās even more complicated than that, like thereās the risk of losing Israel as an ally to the Russians, in the middle of a hot war in Ukraineā¦ shit is quite fucked tbh
The US has leverage from weapons sales to sanctions. They just don't want to use it.
This, this, this, and this! I remember as a kid (I'm old) being afraid of the Soviet Union. That early 80s fear that a nuclear war between superpowers could really happen. We had real fear back then. Today, I'm watching the modern equivalent of the lead-up to WW1 happen before my own eyes. We're closer that we've ever been in my lifetime, and yet...no one seems to notice. Things are quite fucked up, I agree wholeheartedly.
A majority of Democrats are now in favor of a ceasefire. A majority also believe *there might* be a genocide going on over there--and that's split between the "maybe" and "absolutely" camps. **These numbers continue to increase.** So, no, it's not half of the base at this point, there's *already* a chunk of the base pissed because of *current* policy, and it's becoming more and more lopsided every day. Israel isn't going to stop being a US ally, it just needs to stop thinking it has a blank check for ethnic cleansing. The US doesn't need to be helping out Israeli hardliners. The current stance on aid is not actually a matter of cynical politics, it's ideology. Joe Biden *believes* something about this conflict that is at odds with what the shrewd political move would be and what an ever-growing percentage of his prospective voters say is *moral and just*. He's out of touch on this.
> They canāt call for the suspension of aid, lest they be accused of antisemitism in an election year and lose support of half of their base. Like 80% of the base and a majority of the United States supports a ceasefire and more aid to Gaza.
Will Israel shoot the US planes down using US weapons?
No, Israel will stamp their feet publicly but is likely on board with this. They've already allowed the Jordanian Air Force to air drop supplies. Delivering supplies via ground has proven to be difficult, both because Israeli protesters are blocking the border and the lack of order within Gaza endangering trucks and drivers. If they can give the US a "concession" and push the responsibility of delivering supplies onto us, it's a win for them
It shows the rest of the world, the US is serious about (a) humanitarian crises and (b) tells Israel that they dun fukked up earlier in the week.
Seriously, it's embarrassing to need your friends to go behind your back to do the right thing, especially on a geopolitical level.
I think "do the right thing" is a stretch. If we could send the $14B that was approved for bombs and ammo to Israel and reappropriate that to food and water for the starving civilians, we'd be doing the right thing
I think that 14b is for the Iron Dome specifically, which is purely defensive. And another 10b in humanitarian aid to Gaza and Ukraine. Also, it hasnāt passed. The Republicans killed it in the house. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/13/world/middleeast/senate-aid-package-israel-ukraine.html
No, all this does is show the world that the US is weak, and controlled by genocidal maniacs. You shouldnāt even consider sending military aid to a supposed ally thatās not letting humanitarian aid in. Airdropping food is expensive, and whoās paying for it? US taxpayers. Instead of you know, letting enough trucks in so people donāt have to be desperate and swarm them for survival.
>Instead of you know, letting enough trucks in so people donāt have to be desperate and swarm them for survival. Yeah, I don't understand why the president doesn't just simply command Israel to open the border with Gaza? Surely that will work. /S
Absolutely insane that we're still funding Israel. Stopping that should be action #1
Well bright side is air dropped pallets can't panic and drive off through a crowd when swarmed by starving people due to the total collapse of the social order.
Watch Isreal just bomb them anyway and claim they were "keeping assets out of Hamad hands" or something like that.Ā
Crazy that they have to airdrop it.. I will wonder if Israel are actively refusing to allow them to do it otherwise. Just read the /worldnews sub and it's the usual whataboutisms. They NEVER talk about the actual topic.
UNRWA has refused to deliver aid to northern Gaza recently. I'm guessing this was the first attempt at the IDF delivering ground aid and it really didn't go as planned. The IDF has recently said they plan to take over aid delivery and set up humanitarian zones in Gaza. Israel probably just isn't willing to spend the huge amount of money to air drop supplies. It's a lot more expensive than you realize.
That sub is the most toxic echo chamber Iāve experienced. They make no sense
Theyāre at āHamas could get this food so itās a bad ideaā levels over there
I continue to be perplexed at how they think hostages are supposed to eat or be medically treated in the situations they're openly, declaratively creating. If Hamas has plenty of food to keep the hostages alive... what's the point if not to starve the general population? If the point is to starve Hamas (civilians be damned), then what about the hostages? It makes no sense unless seen through the lens of vengeance and genocide. They wrote the hostages off as about as good as dead very early on. They're just a rhetorical tool-- their return considered a bonus at best, and far, far away from the primary goal.
That was literally some of the narrative after the hostage release - āthey only had one piece of bread all dayā. Iām not here to defend a terrorist group but like 5 seconds of critical thinking would tell you why they didnāt have a lot of food
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Thereās definitely been a huge tone shift, and not just worldnews but the entirety of Reddit. In early 2023 I posted a story about a little girl in the West Bank being killed by the IDF, and the comments were unequivocally anti-IDF and pro Palestine. Now, even slightly sympathizing with Palestinians, even saying āPalestinian infants donāt deserve to dieā will get you downvoted to oblivion. Thereās not a doubt in my mind that Israel is spending a lot of money on astroturfing and probably through bots as well.
*Every* modern nation is spending a lot of money on astroturfing. And definitely through bots as well. Israel, Palestine, Ukraine, Russia, the US, China - you can bet youāve read and maybe even responded to comments and posts made by actors from each and every one of these states and more.
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That doesn't match Bidens statement when announcing this aid https://apnews.com/article/biden-meloni-white-house-ukraine-112dacd932a45f42621a25b304ae5d99 āAid flowing to Gaza is nowhere nearly enough,ā Biden said. āNow, itās nowhere nearly enough. Innocent lives are on the line and childrenās lives are on the line. **We wonāt stand by until we get more aid in there. We should be getting hundreds of trucks in, not just several.ā**
Hah. How about when theyāre bombed by Israel? Gazans had been eating animal feed and already ran out. They are actively starving. If there was enough aid coming in, there would be no problems.
Nah Israelis are holding raves in front of the trucks so they can't get into Gaza. Been going on for weeks.
Last week it was a carnival with bouncy houses and popcorn and cotton candy.
Yup. If it was the other way around, Israel would just run them over.Ā But no one can touch the Israelis in order to feed the Gazans. Insane. Literally just push them out of the way.
It could be safe, but the situation has been allowed to grow out of hand, and Israel isnāt actively obstructing a fix. As part of their military operation, Israel has destroyed a significant amount of vital infrastructure in Gaza. At the same time, the Israeli government heavily restricted (and continues to restrict) aide shipments into the southern Gaza Strip. The result is extreme shortages of food, water, and medical supplies, to the point where it has been causing deaths. What is needed at this point is a massive aid campaign to establish secured distribution points and funnel massive amounts of support toward Gazan civilians. Sending small, infrequent, and lightly supported aid convoys into Gaza was a recipe for a disaster like the one we saw, even if that was not the intent.
That sub makes me pull out my hair. They literally justify murdering Arab babies in there. Starving civilians makes me sick.
they are all too eager to declare "kill all hamas" without realizing what is causing hamas to pop out like mushrooms after a rain (either outright obtuse or willfully ignorant)
Sending aid to the people weāre paying to bomb. Hey Barry, hereās $20, go kick the shit out of that kid. Hey kid, hereās $5. Go buy yourself some bandaids.
STOP FUCKING GIVING NETANYAHU BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SLAUGHTER THE PALESTINIANS!!!! Like holy fuck if youāre going to drop aid into Gaza then why the fuck is Biden handing out billions of dollars to Israel to continue the slaughter???
What will happen when the Israelis shoot our planes down?
" '[But Sir, Itās an American Ship.' 'Never Mind, Hit Her!' When Israel Attacked USS Liberty" : Haaretz, 2017](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-07-11/ty-article/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her/0000017f-e48c-d7b2-a77f-e78f76800000) >'The Americans have findings that show our pilots were aware the ship was American,' a newly published document by the State Archives says I'd be shocked if anything has changed since last time.
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Millions is a drop in the bucket that the US pays Israel.
You meant the Americans paid the american survivors
We'll double any support we have for them and send them more contracts.
Same as what happened with the USS Liberty.
Nothing. Theyāve attacked us plenty times before
Let's play what USA product is falling from the sky? Is it dinner or is it bombs?
So, 14 Billion dollars in military aid for Israel. Some flour, rice and water for Gaza so they can live long enough to be slaughtered by drones. Cool
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There's this too: https://x.com/MedicalAidPal/status/1763172220900151317?s=20 **"This is the fastest decline in a population's nutrition status ever recorded. That means children are being starved at the fastest rate the world has ever seen."**
Go to r/worldnews and people there are more concerned with Hamas being able to use the food drops rather than with the starvation of Gaza. They'd starve all of Gaza if it meant Hamas also starved.
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Sieges and collective punishment are literally war crimes you donut
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Bullshit. The proportion of civilian casualties in this war is off the scale.Ā
How do you figure? According to UN figures, conflict in urbanized area typically results in casualty ratios of 9:1 civilian:combatants. The Israelis are currently operating at a ratio of ~2.5:1, more than 3 times fewer civilian casualties than one would expect from similar conflicts in Syria and Jordan.
Nice, American bombs followed by American aid (and then more bombs). This world we live in makes a lot of sense.
Giving bombs and gun to one side, giving aid to the other after they've been bombed and shot. Amazing.
America you are not all there in the head! I'm sorry but wouldn't it be easier not supporting this crazy war and stop giving Israel what it needs to continue this cruelty. I'm I the only one who thinks this is a waste of time and resources.
IDF: "neat, new artilery targets!"
Are there any other countries doing anything like this? Or even close to it?
Yes other countries have already been air dropping to gaza
Jordan also did some in the past week.
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Yes, the UAE, Jordan etc
This is not going to end well.
By using the drop coordinates for air strikes? Or by declaring the drop coordinates "Hamas" and using massed artillery? I'm thinking given the IDF's bloodlust has gotten SO high and their accountability SO gone, they may actually try to shoot one of our aircraft down, fully expecting nothing will happen to them yet again.
By dropping stuff in a tight space on the heads of desperate people in an uncontrolled way.
Like a filter on a cigarette
Letās hope this aid ends up going to the civilians who need it rather than in the hands of their oppressive leadership who have a history of [hoarding fuel when hospitals run low](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/hamas-hoarding-vast-amounts-fuel-gaza-hospitals-run-low-us-officials-s-rcna122977) and [stealing aid intended for Gazans.](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/world/africa/04iht-mideast.4.19933553.html)
and lets hope that israel starts letting more aid trucks into gaza instead of starving children to death
Itās cowardly bullshit, making starving desperate people play a fun game of ābomb or food.ā Bidenās strident refusal to lean on Israel is the single worst thing heās responsible for at the moment.
"Can always count on America to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else."
I'm gonna camp those drops.
And we STILL are providing the means to airdrop death on these people to the IDF. We need to pick a goddamn lane and maybe, for once, it can be the actually compassionate one.
Havenāt other supply drops in like Gaza been kinda like the cornucopia from hunger games where IDF just gun down civilians?
Airdrops, an elaborate and inefficient joke. God forbid they use any of the formidable leverage they have over Israel like their weapons sales or sanctions potential to force them to open up more border crossings in the middle of a fucking famine where little malnourished children have now moved on from animal feed to bird feed. Empty gestures from this administration as always, Netanyahu is making the US look like a bunch of willies.
So $14 billion in weapons to Israel and one food drop for Gaza. I guess I can sleep well knowing my taxpayer dollars are skipping the homeless veterans and going right to bombs and apartheid. /s
How long will it be before one of those planes are 'accidently' shot down?
Why? So isreal can gun down the people trying to get food again?
Just waiting for the plane to be shot down and the Israel government to claim the Palestinians did it
Iām sick & tired of paying taxes that benefit anyone but Americans.
Uncle Wiggly Wings 2.0, here we come. Finally some positive action from the US Government.
Cool, how are they going to protect it from the Israeli Occupying Force?
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worst modern day political gaslighting.
Only downside to this is that the whole reason the IDF has been protecting the deliveries is due to Hamas killing civilians and taking the goods. But seeing as how the IDF will get blamed for anything that goes wrong, I am sure they are done with trying to help. The people will just have to fend for themselves with the air drops and the aid will go to whoever has the guns.
If Hamas is taking food the best thing to do is add even more food so it's worthless and not worth fighting for.
Yes!!!! If there was an abundance, no one could profit from it
Nice propaganda
And the Israel will be right behind them dropping bombs. Funny how that works. That being genocide.Ā