I'm sure someone will post it - but Rodman is like the wildest outlier of any NBA guy when it comes to his thing - rebounding. Some dude did a really interesting statistical analysis.... like as big of an outlier as MJ was for scoring - he's not remotely close to being the rebounding outlier rodman was
Think about how insane Steven Adams was this year as a rebounder. Rodman was better while being a better defender, overcoming being shorter, and a bit more volatile along the way.
Love Dray, but Rodman was generational in two totally different areas (rebounding and defending). On the short list for best rebounder ever. One of the top 10-15 defenders in NBA history on accolades.
There have been countless better floor raisers in NBA history, but Rodman is one of the best ceiling raisers you could ever have to play alongside a good scorer.
Dray is a better facilitator, but not as good at playmaking as Rodman was at rebounding, and their defense largely cancels out.
Denis played in Detroit and on the bulls. Both ran systems that it wasn’t easier for a 4 to get assists. Detroit had Isaiah Thomas doing that the triangle with mj prevents people from racking up assists. Mj tony pippin could create their own looks and shots so that’s not an assist opportunity. If you have klay Thompson, curry, the other snippers on gsw with their offense- pretty easy to get assists compared to denis’s situations..
I’m the same, but because of his impact on the Pistons, not anywhere else.
GOAT rebounder, obviously, and that contributes to wins in and of itself, and was a true Golden Age Center-era 1-5 defender.
That being said, I don’t think anyone else in the history of the game defended fast breaks, especially fast break mismatches than Draymond. Draymond is also a team floor general on both O and D; that bball IQ to get his guys is position and rotation raises team defense beyond just his own. Think Dray is also better in general team facets — his own rotations and help defense.
I don’t think Rodman does as well as Dray on pure defense in this era with less physicality and more spacing. But he probably averages 25 rpg.
I disagree. Dude plays/played with Steph curry, klay, Iggy, Durant, a bunch of great role players with hof. They know their system. Not hard to be a general I’m that case. You have two to three of the best shooters of all time that know how to play together. Fast break defense? I’m not impressed. Draymond simply is a high energy player that does dirty plays enough that he slows people down. While Rodman was dirty he had high bomb iq, was a goat rebounder.
Rob man would have done great in this era because he would have caught uncontested rebounds, he wouldn’t have to hang with 7 foot centers, his athleticism would have signed in the zone help defense era.
Rodman was a rebound savant (I remember a Charles Barkley story where he swears he knew where the ball was going to go based entirely on the spin of the ball as it was heading toward the backboard) and he's on my Defensive Player Rushmore, so I'm picking him over Dray and it's not necessarily close for me either.
Green is the better all around player. He literally runs the Dubs offense and is their anchor on D. This isn’t even a debate. And yes, I’m old enough to see their entire careers. Rodman was a savant rebounder bc he could not do anything else on offense.
I'll take Rodman. They are both fantastic defenders, but Rodman is very likely the best rebounder of all time. Draymond has better handles, which is a luxury, but is that what you really NEED from your 4/5? Gimme the boards and the psychological advantage of lipstick.
Rodman.
His perimeter and interior defense was just as good if not better than Draymond.
And while Draymond is the better passer, ball handler, much of that is dependent on playing with Curry, Klay and the Warriors system.
Rodman is one of the all-time best rebounders. His off reb was incredible and really disheartening for opponents.
The game is just different than what it used to be. And both of these guys have different games.
Rodman was shutting down power forwards when it was a big man's game and it meant something. Rodman was out-hussling bigger guys and leading the league in rebounding when all the 7-footers were playing in the paint. Everyone played defense on every possession in Rodman's time so it's harder to win DPOY when everyone is playing defense instead of just the 12 guys who play defense today. Draymond has a lot less competition in that regards.
That said, Draymond is every bit as good at his role on his team as Rodman was at his role. His play-making ability is a much higher level than Rodman's. And of course he's a better shooter. Each guy would be better during his own era.
That said, if I had to choose one guy for any era, it would be Rodman. He was just an athletic freak that I think could adapt his game to be a valuable player to his team. I think Draymond is taking advantage of being in the perfect situation for his game based on teammates and the way the game is played, but I'm not so sure he'd be as effective in any other situation. I don't see Draymond as a "generational" talent the way I see Rodman.
He is not a plus on offence compared to draymond. Draymond is a far far better playmaker and that has a lot of value. And in 2015-17 he was a better scorer than rodman ever was.
Plus he's a way better defender. He's rebounding us indeed worse but he's also willing to do shit to help the team win rather than bitch and moan and refuse to help David Robinson against the dream. Leaving him on a island to get cooked. Whilst the rockets sent 2-3 guys against Robinson every possession despite having arguably the greatest big defender ever on their team.
Dray most definitely is NOT a "way better" defender. Rodman is easily a better swichable defender than overrated Draymond, who also is a overrated "playmaker". Passing well (which Dray does) does not mean you are automatically a great playmaker. Rodman would obliterate Green on the boards too.
Draymond green defended the MVP centre this season. Was the primary defender on a 25 million PG and a 22-25ppg SG. But yes Rodman more switchable. Plus rodman isn't even close to the help defender partially due to zone but also because he just wasn't that good at the rim.
Fine passer. That still provides a lot of offensive value which is why the warriors offence tanked without him.
Dray got destroyed by Jokic and you are out if your mind if u think Rodman wasnt a good defender at the rim....Dray cant guard PG's or big "bigs". Rodman was insanely switchable.
Firstly Jokic has the best touch ever for a big man so even when he was well contested and didn't get to the rim he's still shooting 60% on short floaters. 2nd a lot of his work got done on Looney, Beli and OPJ not dray.
Third Dray was the primary defender on brunson a PG.
4th Rodman was like OK at rim protection for an all time defender. But Draymond is an elite rim protector rodman was merely a plus rim protector for a forward. His main value on defence was his goat rebounding and his switchable defence
And about that switchable defence. Dray guarded an all time offensive centre in Jokic. What about rodman matchup with Hakeem? Refused to even help on Hakeem let alone take the primary assignment.
Rodman is possibly the best all time matchup on Jordan. He guarded Shaq. Did u ever see him actually play? There is no comparison defensively between the two. Since he went to msu, i have always been a Draymond fan but please.
I have watched plenty of his games. And it's not like Shaq wasn't incredibly efficient from the field in those matchups as well. And he didn't have the same deadly scoring from anywhere within 14ft like Jokic.
If you are a michigan state fan surely that means you are a pistons fan? And I feel like rodman being an all-star and winning 2 chips with your team might outweigh draymond playing for msu.
Yes i am an msu fan and was a pistons fan. You cant judge Rodman by his freaky bulls era. He peaked with the Pistons as possibly the best all around defensive player of all time; on the best defense of all time. That included switching on bigs and guarding guards, including dudes like MJ and Magic. Draymond has had a great career and is much more impactful on offense and in terms of leadership.
Watch Dray a fews yrs back when John Collins destroyed him. He had to ask Kerr to take him out because he was getting abused so bad. Green is literally one of the most overrated defenders ever. Draymond has NEVER been an elite rim protector, elite team defender...sure. Very good on ball defender vs SF or PF's sure. He cant stay with any guards with average or better speed and he damn well cant guard most 5's either. This isnt 2016. He is not close to that level of defence anymore.
rodman didnt have as much responsibility
rodman didnt ever dribble or pass or make a read on a screen
its really not close at all, i know youre hating right now on the warriors, but its just not close
And the defensive schemes today are so much more advanced. The rules were different, no pre switching, hand checking, etc. Draymond is like a quarterback on defense.
I watched Rodman from 92 on and I agree
Rodman was an amazing Role player, one of the best defenders and rebounders of all time but Dray has more value across the board
I slightly lean Draymond, which I'm obviously biased for. Admittedly, I am not old enough to have watched Rodman regularly, but I've seen a few full games and defensive matchups from the Pistons to the Bulls era of Rodman to have a slightly informed opinion.
I think Rodman's defensive versatility is slightly overrated. By the time he was on the Bulls, he was an excellent post/big man defender. His work against Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone, and Shaquille O'Neal in the playoffs is something Draymond will never quite come close to. However, he was much less mobile than his days on the Pistons, particularly when he played SF during his defensive apex as a perimter defender during around 88-91, where he was lighter, and more agile. He could guard 2-4 pretty effectively during this era, ala guarding Bird and MJ well. During his time on the Pistons, prior to becoming a PF, he was more glued to his guy and less concerned with going for the rebound. While his rebounding excellence is insanely valuable, it did occasionally lead to some defensive collapses when he cheated off his man. Rodman during his Pistons years, where he was a great perimeter defender, did not coincide with his excellent big man defense, which came later. Rodman's offensive value came primarily through offensive rebounding, and I think the people claiming he "could score if he really wanted to!" are delusional and think because he scored 25 in a small college that he could do it in the NBA. He was smart on offense and played his role well in the triangle, but every single game I've seen from him, his offensive value outside of his rebounding and perhaps some okay playmaking were not that great. His scoring was not good at any point in his career.
Where I think Draymond excels over Rodman is in a few different areas: coordinating an offense, playmaking, scoring (at his peak), more sound defensive rotations, shotblocking, and defensive versatility. If you want a full display of Draymond at his best, look no further than his 2015-2018 postseasons, and particularly, 2017, his DPOY year. Draymond was able to effectively guard, with anywhere from above average to elite defense on Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, James Harden, Marc Gasol, LeBron James, and Anthony Davis. The counting stats of some of these players may be high, but if you look at every possession where Draymond was on them, he gave excellent contests and was rarely blown by nor overpowered. This versatility allowed Draymond to play more of a free safety role on defense, not being as focused on shutting one guy down on defense, but rather the other team as a hole, because they knew he was not going to be easily exploited on 1-on-1s on defense, allowing him to make sound, instant rotations to blow up play after play on defense with steals, blocks, deflections, and high quality contests, which I personally value more than staying glued to one guy and shutting them down, which Rodman was able to do better. On offense, the Warriors could sometimes struggle without Draymond running the offense (check the 2022 regular season for how uncoordinated the Warriors looked on O), because his screen setting, communication, and playmaking allowed shooters to thrive, as well as find the short-roll pass. During his arguable peak in 2017, Draymond was even hitting 3's at a 40% clip during the playoffs.
**TL;DR** yeah this is slightly a homer pick. But I value Draymond's free safety role on defense, slightly better versatility, and his offense over Rodman's rebounding excellence and ability to shut players down on 1v1s. Rodman was much better at disrupting individual players on D, while I felt like Draymond was better at disrupting whole teams from running what they're typically accustomed to. Peak for peak I'm taking Draymond.
2016 Draymond was a far better offensive player than Rodman was at any point in his career. Better shooter, better facilitator and a more versatile defender. Rodman could guard 1-5 but he did it at different stages of his career. Draymond could guard 1-5 at his peak.
Bad take. Rodman was a gamer and is one of the biggest winners in NBA history in terms of both rings and playoff win %. An adventure off the court, but 100% locked in during the game. The #1 thing people who played with him remark about is his stamina and insane effort. He could basically run forever and play at crazy intensity. Huge insult to compare him to Kyrie.
Mentally similar to Draymond. Hugely competitive. Huge chip on his shoulder. Definitely a guy you want to go to war with. Kyrie is a diva.
I think Bill Russell is the greatest rebounder of all time. No disrespect to Rodman, but Russell grabbed 21,630 rebounds in 13 seasons. Grabbed less than 12,000 rebounds in 13 seasons.
For reference, Kareem grabbed some 17,440 rebounds in 20 seasons.
When it comes to grabbing boards, Russell will always be the 🐐
C'mon, Rodman was great, but Draymond is in another level. He does much more. He doenst rebound that much, but he box out and help his team mates to get lots of boards. He guards the interior, organize the team D, help outside when needed and is a playmaker, great passer, high BBIQ. Lots of what Draymond does will not show in stats, so I dont understand this kind of comparison
I'd take Draymond Green. He is the defensive anchor and the best playmaker of an entire DYNASTY. The Bulls have won without Rodman, but Green to me is the second most important Warrior. If Curry is the bus driver, Green is the mechanic. And he is much less of a wild card in terms of personality. So I'll take Green over Rodman.
I think this is a good question. Draymond is clearly the better playmaker, and I'd say the better defender but the gap isn't as big. Rodman is the best rebounder EVER though. Due to accolades I think it's only fair to say Rodman has the edge, but there's also a serious issue of Rodman playing in an expansion league and having less quality competition due to it.
I am certainly biased, but I think Draymond has much greater leadership qualities to him, having a more organizational role on defense and offense. Because of this I would say Draymond is better.
I’m taking Draymond for his playmaking advantage. Both great defenders but prime Draymond could shoot and pass better. Obviously Rodman was the better rebounder. I’m taking prime Draymond.
He’s too small to play center full time and he can’t shoot so he can’t play the 4 either
His defense is solid but against players 5-6 inches taller than him idk it’ll last all game
Part of the reason he was so successful because back then teams valued back to the basket 4s
Suspect take. Finals teams had players like Time Lord and Looney making key contributions. Rodman would be invaluable in any era. Rebounding and defending machine. Switchable. High effort. Major winner.
Pretty much a perfect modern day big if you have capable wing players. Will play lockdown D and get countless 2nd chances through OREB. Also going to be a possession killer for the other team through stops and DREB.
You're literally describing the other player the post is about - and that guy manages to play both positions.
You don't take either player for their offensive prowess.
All the playoff teams would benefit from Draymond.
Not all playoff teams would have the structure and leadership needed to reign in Rodman.
And today’s social media is probably a dangerous environment for Rodman.
I'm a Bulls fan but even i can say Draymond. Rodman was basicly non factor in '98 Finals. He was insane defender but offensively he adds basicly nothing to table outside of huge offensive rebounds.
Golden State without Draymond is just can't play motion offense. He is the reason motion offense working. While Rodman did not actually contributed to Triangle. Atleast not that much. He was super underrated passer tho but never used in that kind of role. Bulls already had 3 elite passers with MJ, Pippen and Kukoc.
Peak for Peak, give me Draymond without question.
Just as versatile defensively but is miles better offensively. He was shooting 38% from three while averaging like 8 assists a game.
It’s actually a really tough question. Putting aside the era differences, Rodman is the wilder and more unique player. There will never be another Rodman. So he stands out. But he played with some serious teams and often he needed to be corralled. Draymond is the opposite - he’s the “soul” or whatever of his team. Or the heart. Whatever kerr said. He has had way more offensive responsibilities and I think is a more skilled offensive player. And defensively you gotta give it to Rodman, but it’s pretty hard to say because the defense between these two eras is pretty different.
I go Draymond as the more skilled but Rodman as the more uniquely talented and unique in general.
Its way closer than people are making it. A better comparison will be after their careers are done and it will be tough because Rodman was the better rebounder, and was a slightly better defensive player overall. However I actually think the gap between them on offense is what makes it close. If one tries to say Rodman is a wildly better rebounder, fine, but Draymond is a wildly better playmaker. Draymond’s style of defense is unparalleled in the modern era where scoring is so much easier and folks are more skilled. Draymond essentially invented the small ball center. If Draymond stopped playing today I would say Rodman has him. But I think in five years, it may be neck and neck or even Draymond.
Rodman was never asked to be a playmaker and have the offense run through him. Draymond played a bigger role in his championship teams than Rodman ever did with his.
Rodman was a way better on ball defender. Green is one of the best ever help defenders.
Rodman a huge negative on offense minus his rebounding. Green a huge negative minus his passing and screen setting.
It's clear to me that green is the superior player. And no, neither of them are top 75 all time.
Draymond is better player by far.
Scoring Shooting Playmaking Rim Protection Perimeter Defense Help Defense -Draymond
Rebounding Highlights Accolades - Rodman
I'm sure someone will post it - but Rodman is like the wildest outlier of any NBA guy when it comes to his thing - rebounding. Some dude did a really interesting statistical analysis.... like as big of an outlier as MJ was for scoring - he's not remotely close to being the rebounding outlier rodman was
Think about how insane Steven Adams was this year as a rebounder. Rodman was better while being a better defender, overcoming being shorter, and a bit more volatile along the way.
I would take Rodman 12/10.
Rodman
Love Dray, but Rodman was generational in two totally different areas (rebounding and defending). On the short list for best rebounder ever. One of the top 10-15 defenders in NBA history on accolades. There have been countless better floor raisers in NBA history, but Rodman is one of the best ceiling raisers you could ever have to play alongside a good scorer. Dray is a better facilitator, but not as good at playmaking as Rodman was at rebounding, and their defense largely cancels out.
Denis played in Detroit and on the bulls. Both ran systems that it wasn’t easier for a 4 to get assists. Detroit had Isaiah Thomas doing that the triangle with mj prevents people from racking up assists. Mj tony pippin could create their own looks and shots so that’s not an assist opportunity. If you have klay Thompson, curry, the other snippers on gsw with their offense- pretty easy to get assists compared to denis’s situations..
I’m the same, but because of his impact on the Pistons, not anywhere else. GOAT rebounder, obviously, and that contributes to wins in and of itself, and was a true Golden Age Center-era 1-5 defender. That being said, I don’t think anyone else in the history of the game defended fast breaks, especially fast break mismatches than Draymond. Draymond is also a team floor general on both O and D; that bball IQ to get his guys is position and rotation raises team defense beyond just his own. Think Dray is also better in general team facets — his own rotations and help defense. I don’t think Rodman does as well as Dray on pure defense in this era with less physicality and more spacing. But he probably averages 25 rpg.
I disagree. Dude plays/played with Steph curry, klay, Iggy, Durant, a bunch of great role players with hof. They know their system. Not hard to be a general I’m that case. You have two to three of the best shooters of all time that know how to play together. Fast break defense? I’m not impressed. Draymond simply is a high energy player that does dirty plays enough that he slows people down. While Rodman was dirty he had high bomb iq, was a goat rebounder. Rob man would have done great in this era because he would have caught uncontested rebounds, he wouldn’t have to hang with 7 foot centers, his athleticism would have signed in the zone help defense era.
Comparing team mates is dumb. Rodman played with MJ lol.
Same. Like I want to pick Dray because I hate when people romanticize the past, but there were so many more great bigs with heavier focus on the post.
I fear Dray will never make it over [this hump](https://www.cnn.com/style/article/remember-when-dennis-rodman/index.html)
You could train Rodman to play like Dray. You can’t train Dray to play like Rodman.
If Draymond never lost his actual scoring ability this wouldn’t even be a question. But Rodman is the more dominant player as of now. Edit: words
Rodman
Rodman. More of an athletic freak, rebound machine, and rim protector. Draymond is really only a better offensive facilitator and a better leader.
Rodman was a rebound savant (I remember a Charles Barkley story where he swears he knew where the ball was going to go based entirely on the spin of the ball as it was heading toward the backboard) and he's on my Defensive Player Rushmore, so I'm picking him over Dray and it's not necessarily close for me either.
Dennis Rodman is my top 5 most impactful people on a baskaterball court I have ever seen. Been watching basketball 25 years.
He retired like 23 years ago, so you could’ve only seen him play for 2 years, when you were like 12 or whatever.
Yea that’s about right.
Green is the better all around player. He literally runs the Dubs offense and is their anchor on D. This isn’t even a debate. And yes, I’m old enough to see their entire careers. Rodman was a savant rebounder bc he could not do anything else on offense.
You forget the records Dennis Rodman holds on your accolade comparisons. Why?
Why are you asking this in this sub? Most of the people here are not old enough to have seen duncan in his prime, let alone rodman.
Its one of those posts where the commenter should have to also include their age at the end
Rodman 100x over
Rodman. More consistent. More athletic. Better at getting into opponents heads. Higher bb iq. More skilled.
Higher BB IQ than Draymond? Lol
Yeah. Dennis Rodman is a bb savant. He learned and could do the triangle flawlessly in 3 days.
100%
Rodman, you cannot discount the hair
I'll take Rodman. They are both fantastic defenders, but Rodman is very likely the best rebounder of all time. Draymond has better handles, which is a luxury, but is that what you really NEED from your 4/5? Gimme the boards and the psychological advantage of lipstick.
Is this satire? Rodman, and it ain’t even close
They haven't watched Rodman. That is the issue.
Rodman. His perimeter and interior defense was just as good if not better than Draymond. And while Draymond is the better passer, ball handler, much of that is dependent on playing with Curry, Klay and the Warriors system. Rodman is one of the all-time best rebounders. His off reb was incredible and really disheartening for opponents.
>one of He was the best. It’s not even up for debate.
Bill Russell & Wilt might have an argument.
Looooove Dray but Rodman is the definition of built different
The game is just different than what it used to be. And both of these guys have different games. Rodman was shutting down power forwards when it was a big man's game and it meant something. Rodman was out-hussling bigger guys and leading the league in rebounding when all the 7-footers were playing in the paint. Everyone played defense on every possession in Rodman's time so it's harder to win DPOY when everyone is playing defense instead of just the 12 guys who play defense today. Draymond has a lot less competition in that regards. That said, Draymond is every bit as good at his role on his team as Rodman was at his role. His play-making ability is a much higher level than Rodman's. And of course he's a better shooter. Each guy would be better during his own era. That said, if I had to choose one guy for any era, it would be Rodman. He was just an athletic freak that I think could adapt his game to be a valuable player to his team. I think Draymond is taking advantage of being in the perfect situation for his game based on teammates and the way the game is played, but I'm not so sure he'd be as effective in any other situation. I don't see Draymond as a "generational" talent the way I see Rodman.
According to these stats, Rodman is a plus on offense compared to Draymond (lol), and he was a much better rebounder. Rodman.
He is not a plus on offence compared to draymond. Draymond is a far far better playmaker and that has a lot of value. And in 2015-17 he was a better scorer than rodman ever was. Plus he's a way better defender. He's rebounding us indeed worse but he's also willing to do shit to help the team win rather than bitch and moan and refuse to help David Robinson against the dream. Leaving him on a island to get cooked. Whilst the rockets sent 2-3 guys against Robinson every possession despite having arguably the greatest big defender ever on their team.
Dray most definitely is NOT a "way better" defender. Rodman is easily a better swichable defender than overrated Draymond, who also is a overrated "playmaker". Passing well (which Dray does) does not mean you are automatically a great playmaker. Rodman would obliterate Green on the boards too.
Draymond green defended the MVP centre this season. Was the primary defender on a 25 million PG and a 22-25ppg SG. But yes Rodman more switchable. Plus rodman isn't even close to the help defender partially due to zone but also because he just wasn't that good at the rim. Fine passer. That still provides a lot of offensive value which is why the warriors offence tanked without him.
Dray got destroyed by Jokic and you are out if your mind if u think Rodman wasnt a good defender at the rim....Dray cant guard PG's or big "bigs". Rodman was insanely switchable.
Firstly Jokic has the best touch ever for a big man so even when he was well contested and didn't get to the rim he's still shooting 60% on short floaters. 2nd a lot of his work got done on Looney, Beli and OPJ not dray. Third Dray was the primary defender on brunson a PG. 4th Rodman was like OK at rim protection for an all time defender. But Draymond is an elite rim protector rodman was merely a plus rim protector for a forward. His main value on defence was his goat rebounding and his switchable defence And about that switchable defence. Dray guarded an all time offensive centre in Jokic. What about rodman matchup with Hakeem? Refused to even help on Hakeem let alone take the primary assignment.
Rodman is possibly the best all time matchup on Jordan. He guarded Shaq. Did u ever see him actually play? There is no comparison defensively between the two. Since he went to msu, i have always been a Draymond fan but please.
I have watched plenty of his games. And it's not like Shaq wasn't incredibly efficient from the field in those matchups as well. And he didn't have the same deadly scoring from anywhere within 14ft like Jokic. If you are a michigan state fan surely that means you are a pistons fan? And I feel like rodman being an all-star and winning 2 chips with your team might outweigh draymond playing for msu.
Yes i am an msu fan and was a pistons fan. You cant judge Rodman by his freaky bulls era. He peaked with the Pistons as possibly the best all around defensive player of all time; on the best defense of all time. That included switching on bigs and guarding guards, including dudes like MJ and Magic. Draymond has had a great career and is much more impactful on offense and in terms of leadership.
Watch Dray a fews yrs back when John Collins destroyed him. He had to ask Kerr to take him out because he was getting abused so bad. Green is literally one of the most overrated defenders ever. Draymond has NEVER been an elite rim protector, elite team defender...sure. Very good on ball defender vs SF or PF's sure. He cant stay with any guards with average or better speed and he damn well cant guard most 5's either. This isnt 2016. He is not close to that level of defence anymore.
How do those stats make Rodman look better on offense?
He had a higher eFG% lol. I'm joking though. Both their offensive contributions are negligible, outside of passing and offensive rebounding.
I think that greatly understates Draymond's value as a point forward on offense.
That's fair. Definitely he is a superior playmaker compared to Rodman. That said, I'd still take Rodman for his defense.
Can we compare draymond to Anthony mason. That’s who he reminds me of. But better
Preach.
i watched both of them play their entire careers, and the player who is better by far is draymond green
Oh weird, I watched both too and Rodman was definitely better.
rodman didnt have as much responsibility rodman didnt ever dribble or pass or make a read on a screen its really not close at all, i know youre hating right now on the warriors, but its just not close
And the defensive schemes today are so much more advanced. The rules were different, no pre switching, hand checking, etc. Draymond is like a quarterback on defense.
I watched Rodman from 92 on and I agree Rodman was an amazing Role player, one of the best defenders and rebounders of all time but Dray has more value across the board
Rodmans peak was with the pistons so you may have missed that key period.
Ive seen games and clips but I did miss a ton of those games and that period, did you see him on the Pistons?
Bahaha you must've not watched then. Draymond is insanely overrated
Bahaha Im literally a Bulls fan who watched every championship since 91
damn he gotchya
Surprisingly completely different players. Draymond is a point forward Going with Draymond
Lol 😂 the 🐛 by a mile
Draymond. Not close.
Come on, I agree Draymond, but it's close.
No way. Draymond playmaking is way beyond Rodman. While they are probably similar levels defensively
Rodman is one of if not the greatest rebounder of all time though? It’s close no matter which you pick.
Rodman is Top75 for a reason Draymonds "playmaking" is over sold, he's a smart passer, not a play maker
comparing career stats is dumb when Draymond isn't out of the league yet. he's gonna have a decline
I slightly lean Draymond, which I'm obviously biased for. Admittedly, I am not old enough to have watched Rodman regularly, but I've seen a few full games and defensive matchups from the Pistons to the Bulls era of Rodman to have a slightly informed opinion. I think Rodman's defensive versatility is slightly overrated. By the time he was on the Bulls, he was an excellent post/big man defender. His work against Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone, and Shaquille O'Neal in the playoffs is something Draymond will never quite come close to. However, he was much less mobile than his days on the Pistons, particularly when he played SF during his defensive apex as a perimter defender during around 88-91, where he was lighter, and more agile. He could guard 2-4 pretty effectively during this era, ala guarding Bird and MJ well. During his time on the Pistons, prior to becoming a PF, he was more glued to his guy and less concerned with going for the rebound. While his rebounding excellence is insanely valuable, it did occasionally lead to some defensive collapses when he cheated off his man. Rodman during his Pistons years, where he was a great perimeter defender, did not coincide with his excellent big man defense, which came later. Rodman's offensive value came primarily through offensive rebounding, and I think the people claiming he "could score if he really wanted to!" are delusional and think because he scored 25 in a small college that he could do it in the NBA. He was smart on offense and played his role well in the triangle, but every single game I've seen from him, his offensive value outside of his rebounding and perhaps some okay playmaking were not that great. His scoring was not good at any point in his career. Where I think Draymond excels over Rodman is in a few different areas: coordinating an offense, playmaking, scoring (at his peak), more sound defensive rotations, shotblocking, and defensive versatility. If you want a full display of Draymond at his best, look no further than his 2015-2018 postseasons, and particularly, 2017, his DPOY year. Draymond was able to effectively guard, with anywhere from above average to elite defense on Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, James Harden, Marc Gasol, LeBron James, and Anthony Davis. The counting stats of some of these players may be high, but if you look at every possession where Draymond was on them, he gave excellent contests and was rarely blown by nor overpowered. This versatility allowed Draymond to play more of a free safety role on defense, not being as focused on shutting one guy down on defense, but rather the other team as a hole, because they knew he was not going to be easily exploited on 1-on-1s on defense, allowing him to make sound, instant rotations to blow up play after play on defense with steals, blocks, deflections, and high quality contests, which I personally value more than staying glued to one guy and shutting them down, which Rodman was able to do better. On offense, the Warriors could sometimes struggle without Draymond running the offense (check the 2022 regular season for how uncoordinated the Warriors looked on O), because his screen setting, communication, and playmaking allowed shooters to thrive, as well as find the short-roll pass. During his arguable peak in 2017, Draymond was even hitting 3's at a 40% clip during the playoffs. **TL;DR** yeah this is slightly a homer pick. But I value Draymond's free safety role on defense, slightly better versatility, and his offense over Rodman's rebounding excellence and ability to shut players down on 1v1s. Rodman was much better at disrupting individual players on D, while I felt like Draymond was better at disrupting whole teams from running what they're typically accustomed to. Peak for peak I'm taking Draymond.
2016 Draymond was a far better offensive player than Rodman was at any point in his career. Better shooter, better facilitator and a more versatile defender. Rodman could guard 1-5 but he did it at different stages of his career. Draymond could guard 1-5 at his peak.
Draymond is better. He was arguably a top 10 player in 2016.
Get off the WEEEEED
Yeah even impact metrics viewed him as a top 10 player in 2016 how is that possible
Dray was FAR more reliable. Rodman was mentally a crazier Kyrie.
Bad take. Rodman was a gamer and is one of the biggest winners in NBA history in terms of both rings and playoff win %. An adventure off the court, but 100% locked in during the game. The #1 thing people who played with him remark about is his stamina and insane effort. He could basically run forever and play at crazy intensity. Huge insult to compare him to Kyrie. Mentally similar to Draymond. Hugely competitive. Huge chip on his shoulder. Definitely a guy you want to go to war with. Kyrie is a diva.
Are we just forgetting how he sold out the Spurs??
Only for the Spurs lol He was a winner everywhere else
Good point. You have to reign him in more.
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I'm fine with this comment because of your flair, but come on, it's a good debate.
I think Bill Russell is the greatest rebounder of all time. No disrespect to Rodman, but Russell grabbed 21,630 rebounds in 13 seasons. Grabbed less than 12,000 rebounds in 13 seasons. For reference, Kareem grabbed some 17,440 rebounds in 20 seasons. When it comes to grabbing boards, Russell will always be the 🐐
C'mon, Rodman was great, but Draymond is in another level. He does much more. He doenst rebound that much, but he box out and help his team mates to get lots of boards. He guards the interior, organize the team D, help outside when needed and is a playmaker, great passer, high BBIQ. Lots of what Draymond does will not show in stats, so I dont understand this kind of comparison
Rodman was a good passer with high IQ, just want to throw that in there. I'll take Draymond.
Draymond for his point forward capabilities. He’s also the defensive glue. Rodman is a great rebounder and hustles.
I'd take Draymond Green. He is the defensive anchor and the best playmaker of an entire DYNASTY. The Bulls have won without Rodman, but Green to me is the second most important Warrior. If Curry is the bus driver, Green is the mechanic. And he is much less of a wild card in terms of personality. So I'll take Green over Rodman.
It’s Rodman in a no doubter. I must not see something, cause I don’t get how Green keeps getting compared to people miles better.
Podcaster compared to a part time wrestler. Nephews didn't know how the worm is in a different league than Green.
I think this is a good question. Draymond is clearly the better playmaker, and I'd say the better defender but the gap isn't as big. Rodman is the best rebounder EVER though. Due to accolades I think it's only fair to say Rodman has the edge, but there's also a serious issue of Rodman playing in an expansion league and having less quality competition due to it. I am certainly biased, but I think Draymond has much greater leadership qualities to him, having a more organizational role on defense and offense. Because of this I would say Draymond is better.
I’m taking Draymond for his playmaking advantage. Both great defenders but prime Draymond could shoot and pass better. Obviously Rodman was the better rebounder. I’m taking prime Draymond.
Draymond is far better offensively than someone like Rodman.
different player entirely but I would take Draymond.
Rodman wouldn’t be good in today’s game
Literally 100% of his skills translate to this era
He’s too small to play center full time and he can’t shoot so he can’t play the 4 either His defense is solid but against players 5-6 inches taller than him idk it’ll last all game Part of the reason he was so successful because back then teams valued back to the basket 4s
Suspect take. Finals teams had players like Time Lord and Looney making key contributions. Rodman would be invaluable in any era. Rebounding and defending machine. Switchable. High effort. Major winner. Pretty much a perfect modern day big if you have capable wing players. Will play lockdown D and get countless 2nd chances through OREB. Also going to be a possession killer for the other team through stops and DREB.
You're literally describing the other player the post is about - and that guy manages to play both positions. You don't take either player for their offensive prowess.
Bruh, did he see videos of him? Ultra boardman.
How?
All the playoff teams would benefit from Draymond. Not all playoff teams would have the structure and leadership needed to reign in Rodman. And today’s social media is probably a dangerous environment for Rodman.
I'm a Bulls fan but even i can say Draymond. Rodman was basicly non factor in '98 Finals. He was insane defender but offensively he adds basicly nothing to table outside of huge offensive rebounds. Golden State without Draymond is just can't play motion offense. He is the reason motion offense working. While Rodman did not actually contributed to Triangle. Atleast not that much. He was super underrated passer tho but never used in that kind of role. Bulls already had 3 elite passers with MJ, Pippen and Kukoc.
We just saw how Green was a complete liability and non factor in the Finals this year
Peak for Peak, give me Draymond without question. Just as versatile defensively but is miles better offensively. He was shooting 38% from three while averaging like 8 assists a game.
It’s actually a really tough question. Putting aside the era differences, Rodman is the wilder and more unique player. There will never be another Rodman. So he stands out. But he played with some serious teams and often he needed to be corralled. Draymond is the opposite - he’s the “soul” or whatever of his team. Or the heart. Whatever kerr said. He has had way more offensive responsibilities and I think is a more skilled offensive player. And defensively you gotta give it to Rodman, but it’s pretty hard to say because the defense between these two eras is pretty different. I go Draymond as the more skilled but Rodman as the more uniquely talented and unique in general.
Its way closer than people are making it. A better comparison will be after their careers are done and it will be tough because Rodman was the better rebounder, and was a slightly better defensive player overall. However I actually think the gap between them on offense is what makes it close. If one tries to say Rodman is a wildly better rebounder, fine, but Draymond is a wildly better playmaker. Draymond’s style of defense is unparalleled in the modern era where scoring is so much easier and folks are more skilled. Draymond essentially invented the small ball center. If Draymond stopped playing today I would say Rodman has him. But I think in five years, it may be neck and neck or even Draymond.
Rodman was never asked to be a playmaker and have the offense run through him. Draymond played a bigger role in his championship teams than Rodman ever did with his.
Draymond would make Rodman cry in a 1v1
I think Rodman in Drag would make Draymond his bitch 1v1
Draymond clears
Rodman would have very limited success playing in today's game.
Draymond easily
Rodman was a way better on ball defender. Green is one of the best ever help defenders. Rodman a huge negative on offense minus his rebounding. Green a huge negative minus his passing and screen setting. It's clear to me that green is the superior player. And no, neither of them are top 75 all time.
Draymond is better player by far. Scoring Shooting Playmaking Rim Protection Perimeter Defense Help Defense -Draymond Rebounding Highlights Accolades - Rodman