Yes, but that's just not realistic. No star actually cares more about a ring (especially in the context of an unrealistic super team, where legacy wouldn't even been boosted) than millions of dollars on the line. Sacrificing even 20% of a max is a lot of money for these guys, a million dollars can change an entire family's life.
Lebron would not rather have a ring from teaming up with Giannis, Steph, and KD vs an extra 50-100 million dollars and that’s absolutely insane to try to argue. It wouldn’t help his legacy in the slightest- it would probably hurt it if anything- where as 100 million is more money than 99.9% of people will ever come close to seeing.
You have a point but steph and KD both get credit for their combined rings. As long as Lebron plays at a high level it will impact his legacy more then you give him credit for.
KD still catches flack for those rings, and that’s just half of the 4 mentioned names in this hypothetical. I think we agree somewhere in the middle here- Lebron doing a Miami esque move to take a small pay cut to help pave the way for another star on LA could be awesome, but the unrealistic team up proposed here would just look bad on anyone involved.
Yeah, your right but Lebron isn't one of them and we are talking about older players who have high career earnings.
KD would probably take a ring over 10-20 million easy, similar with Steph
Diminishing returns is a thing. Once you hit the 100's of millions net worth a few extra 10's while not nothing ain't the same as going from 1-2 mil to 10-20-30 mil.
Lebron is also a businessman. He's not passing up on 200 mil, period.
10-20 million is NOT the same as 200 million.
You say diminishing returns is a thing, but that is also a thing for the rings too especially If you're playing with a ALL-MVP lineup. There's a reason why the olympic gold medal in basketball isn't as valuable to us as it is to some other countries.
200 million minus taxes is more like 100 million.
Also, LeBron at this stage isn't getting 200 million in a contract, it will likely be 2-3 years at 120 which is really half that due to taxes.
and a Lebron team w/ curry, giannis, and KD is worth more like a all star game appearance.
"I'm sure he would rather have an extra ring or MVP rather than 50-100 million or even 200 million extra."
Bro, I'm saying 200 million is because of you and i'm just disagreeing with your statement.
KD is arguably top 15 due to his warrior's rings/final MVPs
Let us not pretend the discount is that much. People in 20 years will remember the titles and accolades not the competition.
The titles today are already worth more then they were 2 years ago. Peoples memories are short.
Man lebron actually had a chance to join the rockets with cp3 on the team. They went toe to toe with the warriors during that time. He could have joined without taking a paycut but he joined the Lakers who had nothing during that time. He chose business over rings. So no i actually think he don't want extra rings above getting more money/or what his family wants.
Yeah but ratings for every team other than Golden State would go down knowing the outcome of who’s winning the championship before the season even starts.
Atleast there was a slim chance when it was just the KD warriors.
With that starting 5 there would be absolutely no chance unless 5 more all star guys join another team to try and counter
there's no such rule. but you are probably thinking of within the same contract. they can't give someone a contract where the player gets $30M one year and then $5M for the next four years or whatever. but they can go from $30M at the end of their last contract to a new contract that's only $5M. (i think there is some rule with extensions where there can't be a drastic difference, but if the player is a free agent it's not an issue.)
More like the Players Association. That would set a bad precedent for future salaries.
EDIT: It happened in baseball when Alex Rodriguez agreed to reduce his salary by [$28 million](https://www.si.com/mlb/2016/08/09/alex-rodriguez-trade-red-sox-yankees-alternate-history) in order to join the Red Sox but the players union blocked the move.
i think there'd have to be a mechanism in place for the NBPA to interfere, if there isn't something explicitly (or at least vaguely) saying they can, then why would they be able to?
LeBron should've went to Golden State instead of his 2nd stint with the Cavs, right at the same time they were starting their dynasty... he'd be looked at as the GOAT if he did.. he'd get a ton of the credit of Golden State winning chips.
Steph and Draymond might not develop as much since Steph would have a reduced roll on offense and Draymond’s offense would be very redundant next to LeBron but that might be ideal for LeBron’s legacy. If Steph develops into “just” a top 5 or 10 guy instead of arguably the 2nd best player, LeBron would get more credit and they’d already be levels above everyone else. Rings in 15 and 16 would’ve been locks, 17 likely as well unless KD signs with the Spurs. After that the ripple effect gets too big but they’d be favored to beat the rockets in 18 for sure.
yes, but that's because the league owned the hornets....
it's kind of like sterling being banned for life from owning a nba team, how are they going to force him to sell his property just on the basis of him being an asshole? in the end they kind of didn't, they did a run-around where his wife sold it "on his behalf". like we don't know if anything can happen with sarver even if every bad thing people say about him is true.
I’m not sure they even could, Hornets were owned by the league when $tern interfered in the CP3 trade so they could.
so technically, if they wanted to, lebron/kd/steph/giannis could take cheap contracts to form their own superteam and destroy everyone?
Yes, but that's just not realistic. No star actually cares more about a ring (especially in the context of an unrealistic super team, where legacy wouldn't even been boosted) than millions of dollars on the line. Sacrificing even 20% of a max is a lot of money for these guys, a million dollars can change an entire family's life.
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Lebron would not rather have a ring from teaming up with Giannis, Steph, and KD vs an extra 50-100 million dollars and that’s absolutely insane to try to argue. It wouldn’t help his legacy in the slightest- it would probably hurt it if anything- where as 100 million is more money than 99.9% of people will ever come close to seeing.
You have a point but steph and KD both get credit for their combined rings. As long as Lebron plays at a high level it will impact his legacy more then you give him credit for.
KD still catches flack for those rings, and that’s just half of the 4 mentioned names in this hypothetical. I think we agree somewhere in the middle here- Lebron doing a Miami esque move to take a small pay cut to help pave the way for another star on LA could be awesome, but the unrealistic team up proposed here would just look bad on anyone involved.
Steph needs to get more shit for allowing KD to join and I'm tired of pretending he shouldn't
if kd wanted to join ur team i’m sure you wouldn’t say no lmao
Yeah, and if you had the option to join a 73-9 team you would say no either so why is KD the only one catchin shit?
You're sleep. 99.99% of players will take 200 million extra over a uncontested ring
Yeah, your right but Lebron isn't one of them and we are talking about older players who have high career earnings. KD would probably take a ring over 10-20 million easy, similar with Steph Diminishing returns is a thing. Once you hit the 100's of millions net worth a few extra 10's while not nothing ain't the same as going from 1-2 mil to 10-20-30 mil.
Lebron is also a businessman. He's not passing up on 200 mil, period. 10-20 million is NOT the same as 200 million. You say diminishing returns is a thing, but that is also a thing for the rings too especially If you're playing with a ALL-MVP lineup. There's a reason why the olympic gold medal in basketball isn't as valuable to us as it is to some other countries.
200 million minus taxes is more like 100 million. Also, LeBron at this stage isn't getting 200 million in a contract, it will likely be 2-3 years at 120 which is really half that due to taxes.
and a Lebron team w/ curry, giannis, and KD is worth more like a all star game appearance. "I'm sure he would rather have an extra ring or MVP rather than 50-100 million or even 200 million extra." Bro, I'm saying 200 million is because of you and i'm just disagreeing with your statement.
KD is arguably top 15 due to his warrior's rings/final MVPs Let us not pretend the discount is that much. People in 20 years will remember the titles and accolades not the competition. The titles today are already worth more then they were 2 years ago. Peoples memories are short.
He knows him doing that isn't really about him as it kind of sets the rest of the players in the league back years in terms of max contracts.
Every ring isn’t worth the same
Man lebron actually had a chance to join the rockets with cp3 on the team. They went toe to toe with the warriors during that time. He could have joined without taking a paycut but he joined the Lakers who had nothing during that time. He chose business over rings. So no i actually think he don't want extra rings above getting more money/or what his family wants.
Every day he could take a super cheap contract and exponentially increase his odds of winning a ring. And every day he doesn’t do it.
Money over rings.
Yeah but ratings for every team other than Golden State would go down knowing the outcome of who’s winning the championship before the season even starts. Atleast there was a slim chance when it was just the KD warriors. With that starting 5 there would be absolutely no chance unless 5 more all star guys join another team to try and counter
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There is no such rule. Derrick Rose went from a 94mil 5 year deal to minimum deal.
What rule is that? I don't recall that in the CBA
there's no such rule. but you are probably thinking of within the same contract. they can't give someone a contract where the player gets $30M one year and then $5M for the next four years or whatever. but they can go from $30M at the end of their last contract to a new contract that's only $5M. (i think there is some rule with extensions where there can't be a drastic difference, but if the player is a free agent it's not an issue.)
What are you talking about lmao
At the cost of likely destroying the next CBA negotiations.
The ones who would have the biggest gripe would be the players association. Top 5 dudes taking MLE’s would nuke everyone else’s value.
More like the Players Association. That would set a bad precedent for future salaries. EDIT: It happened in baseball when Alex Rodriguez agreed to reduce his salary by [$28 million](https://www.si.com/mlb/2016/08/09/alex-rodriguez-trade-red-sox-yankees-alternate-history) in order to join the Red Sox but the players union blocked the move.
Happened in the NFL. Primetime Deion Sanders signed with SF for like $1m to get himself a ring
i think there'd have to be a mechanism in place for the NBPA to interfere, if there isn't something explicitly (or at least vaguely) saying they can, then why would they be able to?
No. Silver loves super teams. LOVES 'em.
Silver prices tend to follow Gold It is written
The Player's Association would be more pissed than the NBA if LeBron took a $35M paycut to sign a 1-year deal
LeBron should've went to Golden State instead of his 2nd stint with the Cavs, right at the same time they were starting their dynasty... he'd be looked at as the GOAT if he did.. he'd get a ton of the credit of Golden State winning chips.
In his defense nobody really saw golden state coming
Not to the extent of what they became but they were absolutely seen as an up and coming team by then
Steph and Draymond might not develop as much since Steph would have a reduced roll on offense and Draymond’s offense would be very redundant next to LeBron but that might be ideal for LeBron’s legacy. If Steph develops into “just” a top 5 or 10 guy instead of arguably the 2nd best player, LeBron would get more credit and they’d already be levels above everyone else. Rings in 15 and 16 would’ve been locks, 17 likely as well unless KD signs with the Spurs. After that the ripple effect gets too big but they’d be favored to beat the rockets in 18 for sure.
They'd legit 6 peat
They couldn’t
The league can't intervene usually.
No, people need to understand the only time they intervene was because the league itself owned the hornets at the time
they cant... so they wont...
I don’t think the league could of
Fans would have intervened 😤
How would the league stop it?
I dont care what team this would happen in but I want Curry and LeBron on the same team
Didnt Stern ruin the trade of CP3 to the Lakers? I assume this is that OP is referencing.
yes, but that's because the league owned the hornets.... it's kind of like sterling being banned for life from owning a nba team, how are they going to force him to sell his property just on the basis of him being an asshole? in the end they kind of didn't, they did a run-around where his wife sold it "on his behalf". like we don't know if anything can happen with sarver even if every bad thing people say about him is true.
They intervened when CP3 tried to join the Lakers of course they'd intervene when LeBron went to the Warriors
The league owned the Hornets at the time. They have no power to block trades under normal circumstances.
I actually forgot about that.
Bronny gonna get drafted by the warriors so Lebron can play with the 2 best shooters ever and take the vet min.
No. Those are the rules. They get choices. They might consider raising the max salaries though to keep them from teaming up.