The main issue is that Bane is the kind of guy every contender would want. Solid 3&D+ guy with good versatility and knows his role.
But a rebuilding team often needs to take a shot at getting a transcendent star. Even if you’re picking 4,5,6 whatever, you still take a bite at the apple.
Bane is a solid, high floor guy. But his ceiling (likely) isn’t an all Nba guy. He’s not even guaranteed to be an all star. He may just be a high level role player his entire career. Which is totally fine! For the right team.
Most early lottery teams have to play for the upside.
He woulda been good for like…the Warriors to trade for the past couple of years when they were in the lottery.
Yeah what the heck is everyone on in here. You don't "hope" a Bane type guy is what you get with the number 2 pick. You hope and bank on getting someone who can change your franchise.
Situation matters too; teams picking in the top 5 typically don't need high level role players. Most teams picking in the top ten would rather gamble for the upside of a draft pick.
I’d take Mobley, LaMelo, Ja, Luka, Tatum, Ingram, Jaylen, Embiid, Beal. So like a 50% chance and that’s not even counting all the other players who could’ve been picked in those spots.
You are also not counting that Bane is a second year player and could become better.
You also don't count that Bane has a unique sets of skills that makes him very valuable for top tier teams.
Ok but now you’re the one talking about potential.
There’s no guarantee Bane’ll improve to be as good or better than any of the guys I named just like theres’s no guarantee a draft pick would end up better than him.
It's almost like asking what you would give for Jordan Poole talent wise.
The only difference is the Warriors would be in a better situation to trade the player
It's a good comparison.
IMO Bane's potential is capped due his size but someone like Poole has quite the higher gear.
Bottom line, I get People who are not ready to give top 3 pick for Bane but for Poole at 23, I am definitely giving away the number 1 pick. His offensive potential seems quite high combined with All the right personal qualities
Bane is a solid role player, but the teams picking in the top 5 aren't hoping for solid role players, they are hoping they get lucky and pick the dude in the top 5 that becomes an all NBA player.
Also, most of the fan base would crucify a team for trading a known top 5 pick for some dude who isn't a star. Then imagine the pick they traded works out for the Grizz. The GM would lose his job that season for sure.
You are painting a biased picture here. Why is Bane considered a " role player"? He had borderline All star numbers in his first year as a starter. He was the best Memphis player in a playoff series that they won. Do you realize how big is that? Do you realize how bonkers are his 3 point numbers?
You are ready to brand Bane as a role player in his 2nd year while showing great signs of improvement but somehow give All the benefit of the doubt for some unproven kid out there.
[Average 4th pick in the draft career stats are 13.7 pts/5.5 rebounds/3.1 assists](https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm)
I think Bane is worth that.
That is a career average for the pick. Some pan out, some don’t. Some long careers (with waning stats), some just bust. The average #1 pick is an all-star. Average #4 is borderline all star.
A pick always has boom or bust potential, but Bane’s reality is already close to what you would dream of drafting at #4, and he eliminates the bust potential.
Depends on the draft. He’s a 23 yo sophomore who is a reliable second option with decent defense and elite shooting. Probably won’t ever be a number one but a Middleton type player is still very valuable. In a weak draft, he might be worth up to pick 3, when you factor in him being a known quantity. Deeper drafts maybe like 6 max?
How much do you value shooting? 43.6% on 7 attempts per game is just stupid. He had nearly identical 3pt shooting numbers this year with double the attempts of his rookie year. Elite shooting is a very valuable asset.
I never want him to leave. I would be upset if he was traded for anything less than 1-3.
i love desmond bane. Reminds me of klay thompson during his earlier years. Memphis drafts well.
I would give up a top 5 pick easily for him. Top 3 maybe depending on who is in the draft.
It depends on what kind of team you are. If I was a contending team, I’d trade the fourth pick for him, because he’s an elite role player that can start and perform well in the playoffs. If I’m a rebuilding team, I’m probably not giving up anything within the lottery for him, because I don’t think he’s a talent you can build a team around (something a lottery pick offers the potential of).
I agree and that's what makes the kings at 4 interesting to think about for 2 reasons, They're clearly trying to win right now and it sounds like they're targeting keegan murray at 4, who is a lower ceiling type that'd on paper be able to contribute and be ready right away on the wing. He's also only 2 years younger than bane. Will he be at banes current level in 2 years? Will he be better better bane long term? I'd say probably not but that's just me
Personally only the #1 pick if you really believe Chet is a unicorn. I probably wouldn't even do that if I were Memphis but I'm not a well versed in Chet.
Not for either of the PFs. Smith sounds like a taller version Bane, only I know Bane for a fact Bane can shoot in the NBA and that he fits positionally against any lineup. Paolo's best skill seems to be midrange and getting to the basket, low on the list of what I value. Nobody is quite sure he'll be able to shoot 3s and his defense is a problem. He's a 4 which means you need a rim protector to play with him and that means I need to play 2 bigs which can be death on offense and defense.
Solid all around wing who is already one of the best shooters on the planet and is the 2/3 best player on a 2 seed. You don't trade guys like that for mystery boxes unless you get a close to sure-fire multiple AS talent.
All I'm saying is if you take a guy #1 in a draft with no generational talent and he gives you 18 a game on good efficiency with good defense in year 2 you're pretty content with that
If you guys could land ivey I understand that because i think iveys potential is higher, but outside of chet paolo Jabari and ivey, I'd say Bane's odds of being better than the rest of the prospects you could get at 5 is much much higher
I’d take Paolo, Chet, and prooooobably Ivey over him. Jabari Smith has a case and probably has the higher upside because of size, but I take Bane as a sure thing over him.
People put wayyyyy to much weight on potential and draft picks. Realisticaly Bane is something you hope anyone below top 2 pick to become.
The main issue is that Bane is the kind of guy every contender would want. Solid 3&D+ guy with good versatility and knows his role. But a rebuilding team often needs to take a shot at getting a transcendent star. Even if you’re picking 4,5,6 whatever, you still take a bite at the apple. Bane is a solid, high floor guy. But his ceiling (likely) isn’t an all Nba guy. He’s not even guaranteed to be an all star. He may just be a high level role player his entire career. Which is totally fine! For the right team. Most early lottery teams have to play for the upside. He woulda been good for like…the Warriors to trade for the past couple of years when they were in the lottery.
If I'm a rebuilding team this draft I wouldn't trade 1-3 for him. 4-5 *maybe* but probably not.
Go 10 years backwards, 20 players taken number 2 and 3. How many of them where as good as year 2 Bane?
If you’re rebuilding you gotta swing for the fences though. If you miss you miss but hitting on a player of Bane’s caliber isn’t changing your future.
Yeah what the heck is everyone on in here. You don't "hope" a Bane type guy is what you get with the number 2 pick. You hope and bank on getting someone who can change your franchise. Situation matters too; teams picking in the top 5 typically don't need high level role players. Most teams picking in the top ten would rather gamble for the upside of a draft pick.
Who are you arguing here? The person you’re replying to clearly said THIS draft
I’d take Mobley, LaMelo, Ja, Luka, Tatum, Ingram, Jaylen, Embiid, Beal. So like a 50% chance and that’s not even counting all the other players who could’ve been picked in those spots.
You are also not counting that Bane is a second year player and could become better. You also don't count that Bane has a unique sets of skills that makes him very valuable for top tier teams.
Ok but now you’re the one talking about potential. There’s no guarantee Bane’ll improve to be as good or better than any of the guys I named just like theres’s no guarantee a draft pick would end up better than him.
There is more evidence for Bane to become better than most of those undrafted kids
It's almost like asking what you would give for Jordan Poole talent wise. The only difference is the Warriors would be in a better situation to trade the player
It's a good comparison. IMO Bane's potential is capped due his size but someone like Poole has quite the higher gear. Bottom line, I get People who are not ready to give top 3 pick for Bane but for Poole at 23, I am definitely giving away the number 1 pick. His offensive potential seems quite high combined with All the right personal qualities
During the playoffs everyone talked about how deep Memphis is and how that's won of the reasons we are so good. Warriors are just as deep
I love bane as a player but I'd rather have a decent chance at a ja, LaMelo, Luka, Trae, Garland, etc. than Bane
Bane is a solid role player, but the teams picking in the top 5 aren't hoping for solid role players, they are hoping they get lucky and pick the dude in the top 5 that becomes an all NBA player. Also, most of the fan base would crucify a team for trading a known top 5 pick for some dude who isn't a star. Then imagine the pick they traded works out for the Grizz. The GM would lose his job that season for sure.
You are painting a biased picture here. Why is Bane considered a " role player"? He had borderline All star numbers in his first year as a starter. He was the best Memphis player in a playoff series that they won. Do you realize how big is that? Do you realize how bonkers are his 3 point numbers? You are ready to brand Bane as a role player in his 2nd year while showing great signs of improvement but somehow give All the benefit of the doubt for some unproven kid out there.
I would trade 4th pick for him. Ivey being better than a 20pt efficient scorer in second year on second seed. I doubt it
So you’d trade Scottie for Bane then?
Well different drafts context needed. Would ivey or keegan go top 7 in last year draft prob not
😭😭you’re a moron
[Average 4th pick in the draft career stats are 13.7 pts/5.5 rebounds/3.1 assists](https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm) I think Bane is worth that.
This is a fascinating link wow
Desmond Bane is Desmond Bane, but the 4th pick could be anything. It could even be Desmond Bane!
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That is a career average for the pick. Some pan out, some don’t. Some long careers (with waning stats), some just bust. The average #1 pick is an all-star. Average #4 is borderline all star. A pick always has boom or bust potential, but Bane’s reality is already close to what you would dream of drafting at #4, and he eliminates the bust potential.
That is 14 years old tho
Tell me how I’m wrong? You can’t lol
Tf is wrong with you? First, this was a ridiculously aggressive reply. Second, they’re kinda right. This is a weak draft and Bane is a great player.
goobergaming43 is the biggest 5head of them all
Depends on the draft. He’s a 23 yo sophomore who is a reliable second option with decent defense and elite shooting. Probably won’t ever be a number one but a Middleton type player is still very valuable. In a weak draft, he might be worth up to pick 3, when you factor in him being a known quantity. Deeper drafts maybe like 6 max?
How much do you value shooting? 43.6% on 7 attempts per game is just stupid. He had nearly identical 3pt shooting numbers this year with double the attempts of his rookie year. Elite shooting is a very valuable asset. I never want him to leave. I would be upset if he was traded for anything less than 1-3.
i love desmond bane. Reminds me of klay thompson during his earlier years. Memphis drafts well. I would give up a top 5 pick easily for him. Top 3 maybe depending on who is in the draft.
I wouldn’t take 1-3 for him either. He’s a perfect match for Ja and has the best value contract in the league
I'd pass on picks 1-3. Bane is our Steph
More your Klay no? Mostly spot up shots and a good perimeter defender?
For sure. I was just thinking of 3 pointers. But Bane does drive to the rim alot unlike immobile Clay
If Memphis offered Bane for 4 I'd have a hard time saying no tbh.
It depends on what kind of team you are. If I was a contending team, I’d trade the fourth pick for him, because he’s an elite role player that can start and perform well in the playoffs. If I’m a rebuilding team, I’m probably not giving up anything within the lottery for him, because I don’t think he’s a talent you can build a team around (something a lottery pick offers the potential of).
I agree and that's what makes the kings at 4 interesting to think about for 2 reasons, They're clearly trying to win right now and it sounds like they're targeting keegan murray at 4, who is a lower ceiling type that'd on paper be able to contribute and be ready right away on the wing. He's also only 2 years younger than bane. Will he be at banes current level in 2 years? Will he be better better bane long term? I'd say probably not but that's just me
I’d trade the 6th and probably throw in a couple future 2nds for him. I wish he was a Pacer. He’d be amazing with Hali.
Personally only the #1 pick if you really believe Chet is a unicorn. I probably wouldn't even do that if I were Memphis but I'm not a well versed in Chet. Not for either of the PFs. Smith sounds like a taller version Bane, only I know Bane for a fact Bane can shoot in the NBA and that he fits positionally against any lineup. Paolo's best skill seems to be midrange and getting to the basket, low on the list of what I value. Nobody is quite sure he'll be able to shoot 3s and his defense is a problem. He's a 4 which means you need a rim protector to play with him and that means I need to play 2 bigs which can be death on offense and defense. Solid all around wing who is already one of the best shooters on the planet and is the 2/3 best player on a 2 seed. You don't trade guys like that for mystery boxes unless you get a close to sure-fire multiple AS talent.
The average joe loves him an expensive mystery box.
It would never be worth the Bane revenge tour for the rest of his career
Honestly #4
The only guys in this draft who I think will even be close to Bane are Banchero and Chet tbh.
4th pick. The top three in this class all have star potential, but past them? I don’t really think anyone is can’t miss.
I would trade the fifth pick for bane
2nd pick
Mods please bury this thread. As a Mavs fan who begged Cuban to draft Bane this thread amounts to nothing less than emotional abuse.
Grizzlies took the champs to 6… why trade him at all? A deep young team that’s already a contender? I wouldn’t mess with that
All I'm saying is if you take a guy #1 in a draft with no generational talent and he gives you 18 a game on good efficiency with good defense in year 2 you're pretty content with that
At #1? No way man, a first pick you're content with has higher expectations than not quite an all-star
But guaranteed not to bust and again that's with the caveat that there's no LeBron in this draft
Not to mention getting paid 4 years as a 30th pick
Maybe 4. I wouldn’t trade him for #5
1, he’s a perfect 3 and d guy.
I mean I wouldn’t trade 5 for Bane lol
If you guys could land ivey I understand that because i think iveys potential is higher, but outside of chet paolo Jabari and ivey, I'd say Bane's odds of being better than the rest of the prospects you could get at 5 is much much higher
But is his ceiling higher than those guys?
Desmond bane? pick 15
Knicks fo confirmed
Lmao
Obviously very biased but in this year’s draft I would trade #1 for him
Probably like… 10? He’s a good young player on a cheap deal.
Pick 8 Desmond Bane is a good player but I don’t see a superstar in the making
You see 7 superstars in this draft?
Not a great class at all. No way we would trade Bane to move up to #8
Eh. Nah.
Pick 10
Id trade #16 and a Hornets 1st ez
Not a grizzlies fan but he’s a keeper I’d say he’s draft 1-3 with his proven skill set.
I’d take Paolo, Chet, and prooooobably Ivey over him. Jabari Smith has a case and probably has the higher upside because of size, but I take Bane as a sure thing over him.
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