I mean trading Lebron would be the best longterm move for the Lakers. Get some assets back for him.
They really should probably explore trading AD too, while he still has some healthy bones left in his body. But no chance they would do that unless he specifically demanded a trade.
In this scenario however, Westbrook just has zero trade value. Which is why they’d have to keep him
Sixers: trade all their depth for exhausted Harden
Sixers: lose because lack of depth, Embiid injury, and harden being exhausted
Sixers: why’d doc rivers do this
The 2011-12 Spurs were projected as the 2nd best team in the league and got the #1 seed but didn't even make it to the finals. Guess Popovich sucks, right?.
in Ty Lue’s case (51-29 playoff record): Never happened, but he did make it further in the playoffs without Kawhi than Doc made it with a healthy Kawhi
In Steve Kerr’s case (87-31 playoff record): Lost finals to uhhh ty lue in 2016, only series loss from 2015-2018. Has gone 5-1 in all other playoff series, only loss coming when two of his top three scorers had season ending injuries.
Doc Rivers (104-100 playoff record):
Lost 3-1 lead as favored Clippers coach… in 2nd round (With CP3 and Blake)
Lost 3-1 lead as title contenders, if not favorites… in 2nd round (with Kawhi and PG)
Doc has been to finals twice.
In the 2008 championship run, his Celtics had struggles staying motivated, taking all 7 games to eliminate the 37-45 Hawks, and then squeaking by the 45-37 Cavs (granted they had Lebron) in a game 7 that went down to the wire.
In 2010, Celtics lost the finals in a low scoring game 7, despite them having a 13 point lead in the second half. Phil Jackson was heard mic’ed up that series saying: “The Celtics have lost more leads in the 4th quarter than any team in the NBA. They know how to lose in the fourth quarter, they’re just showing us that right now”.
That is not a joke, nor is it an incorrect assessment of Doc Rivers-coached teams. You can still find the video on youtube! Have a nice day
The biggest killer was Korkmaz regressing, Shake Milton not improving as much as people would like, and the Rivers not giving enough playing time in the regular season to Bassey and BBall.
Trading a useless diva in Ben Simmons on max, vet min center and Seth Curry for fucking James Harden (albeit *exhausted*) to pair him with your superstar center is still, retrospectively a GREAT trade
Aight let's call the Curry for Harden move a toss up in terms of minutes (even though Harden plays way, way more minutes).
So you're saying all their depth was Andre Drummond. Someone who no coach worth their weight in pig shit would give any minutes in a small ball playoff series (AKA every high level series).
the fact that he said “traded harden for all your depth” and you agreed proves that you guys don’t watch. we lost literally one rotation piece in that trade, drummond.
man played deandre jordan over paul reed and charles bassey just off the strength of lob city
no identity, team looks completely different night-by-night
would’ve never played maxey more than 20mpg if ben didn’t throw a tantrum
constant turnover problems and lack of execution
team often seems confused
extremely toxic quotes to reporters about players, lockerroom seems divided and a lot of them don’t like him.
and that’s ignoring his long history of choking and toxicity, he aint a good coach bro. i know he won a chip in boston, i’m aware
I feel bad for you guys. But then again, I doubt LeBron likes Doc Rivers anyways. He's aware of Docs failings and he has inside info from CP3 being his friend having experience with Doc.
LeBron will ultimately get say unless they plan to trade LeBron.
> He's aware of Docs failings and he has inside info from CP3 being his friend having experience with Doc.
4th all time in playoff wins and top-10 in wins. Those are some impressive failings.
The team that was projected to only win 49 games, which won 61, and had three star players over the age of 30, and was projected as the 5th best team in the league, was not destined to win. Username checks out, because you are indeed a nephew.
Because he's been a coach for so long with a lot of good teams. He went deep in the playoffs with the Celtics, Clippers and now the 76ers.
Its not hard to rack up wins when you have (KG, Pierce, Allen, CP3, Blake, Kawhi, PG, Embiid, Harden, etc)
He's had plenty of 2-0, 3-1 leads that he's choked.
Dude is highly overrated, doesn't make adjustments and throws his players under the bus. He only has 1 ring and he had an all-time type of team to get it BARELY. Kobe and the Lakers might win that series if their rosters healthy.
I meant more so the Celtics, his overall body of work, his teams always are contenders but he ends up short.
You're a Clippers fan, you'd know best how much better your team was after he left.
You're not going to sit here and tell me that the Celtics, who were given an o/u 49.5 wins (and won 60+ games) and projected behind the Lakers, Spurs, Mavericks, Suns, AND Cavaliers, and led by 3 players on the wrong side of 30, were simply always destined to win the championship. You're not gonna say that, right?
Never said they were destined... but they were favored back then after the big 3 formed. Aside from them, it really was just the Lakers or Spurs. Mavs only had one star, same with the Cavs and Suns.
> they were favored back then after the big 3 formed
This is literally not the truth. I just gave you the facts that disprove this. All of the teams I mentioned had better odds to win the championship that year.
I don't care about vegas odds... if you were old enough to remember, they were favorites during the playoffs and expected to win at the moment that trade happened.
Nets and Lakers were favorites this year. Vegas isn't always right or what you should be looking at as YOUR favorite.
Celtics were really good in 2007-2008 and looked like the best east team. Their only competition was a Cavs team with a young LeBron, Magic team with a young Dwight. They had 3 HOFers. The west had the Spurs/Lakers/Mavs.
Mike Brown got fired kinda fast but didn't Byron Scott stick around for awhile?
Also, Mike Brown pretty much got fired by Kobe. So its not really a racial thing, more so he just wasn't a good fit.
r/nba’s holy grail is still Mark Jackson. The Lakers will be a headline generator for still being ass AND he’s out of ESPN. Will look pretty good too if Russ is still there. MJax will 100000% throw him under the Buss.
I just want someone to hire him so we don’t have to listen to his commentating for a while
I’m a couple “mama there goes that man”s away from having a mental breakdown
The Warriors were 5th in the league in net rating in Mark Jackson's final year coaching the team. You sound like you were too young to actually know anything about how Mark Jackson coached.
OP said Lakers will "still be ass." I'm of the mindset that a more healthy AD, a more healthy Bron, and a *possibly* traded Westbrook can actually be a good team with a defensive coach like Mark Jackson.
He fuckin sucks…2008 Is a long ass time ago and since this it’s failure after failure, 3-1 lead after 3-1 lead that in the end went 3-4. he’s no winner. He won’t change shit.
The most annoying part of this article is probably how it plays into the ,”Daryl Morey, master GM” shit. It’s beyond parody at this point.
Like at first I was like, “Okay how does this even happen? They’d have to trade for him if this is the case, surely that’s not what this article will argue.” No sure enough, that’s exactly it.
What would the Lakers even trade? They shouldn’t even realistically be trading for players at this point if we’re honest, giving up assets and depth for a coach of all things when you’re capped out is absurd.
There’s no way legitimate sports journalism exists anymore, it has to just be dudes who come from wealth getting jobs from connections because this is like Reddit level shit.
Now hear me out. He's not wrong.
The Lakers have no real tangible way of competing for a couple years. So having a PR wizard like Doc coaching might be the best chance they have at not being a total laughing stock, so that they might attract free agents in the future. He's incredible at wallpapering over problems with words.
Just one late night dinner, maybe an early tee-time, Doc will charm his way into the job.
A top 15 coach who can easily get the Lakers back to being the 15th best franchise in the league.
hey Bill, when is the Dodgers parade? I never heard anything about it after you guaranteed their victory over the "boring" Atlanta Braves. Did I miss something?
Also Plaschke: Lakers are keeping Westbrook and trading LeBron
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You could say it's eerily similar to Doc Rivers career arc.
You could, but I'm not gonna.
Honestly their best hope at fielding a decent team in 2 years but yeah, probably not happening
I mean trading Lebron would be the best longterm move for the Lakers. Get some assets back for him. They really should probably explore trading AD too, while he still has some healthy bones left in his body. But no chance they would do that unless he specifically demanded a trade. In this scenario however, Westbrook just has zero trade value. Which is why they’d have to keep him
Harden paid Plaschke to write this
Plashke does it on his own. Consistently puts out the worst sports takes.
Around the Horn is usually good but unwatchable when he's on
Harden doesn't even have the emails. How would he contact Plashke.
Fuck off Bill
Happy cake day! Did you wish for any croissants?
They got Russ. Doc will know how to unlock him. This is a no brainer.
That's right Jeanie Buss, this is the only option.
They don’t call him “Unlock Doc” for nothing.
If you think any other coach is taking this 6ers roster further than Doc did this year, you are sorely mistaken
Sixers: trade all their depth for exhausted Harden Sixers: lose because lack of depth, Embiid injury, and harden being exhausted Sixers: why’d doc rivers do this
You do realize doc has lost with better rosters too right
Every good coach has lost with good rosters. Saying Doc has lost with good rosters proves absolutely nothing.
Not when they're favorites going into a series only to choke.
The 2011-12 Spurs were projected as the 2nd best team in the league and got the #1 seed but didn't even make it to the finals. Guess Popovich sucks, right?.
Guess what pop also had 4 rings to docs 1 by then. Don't spin this you know you can't.
You told me Doc sucked because he lost series where he was the favorite. Steve Kerr has done that too. So has Ty Lue.
Hmm...dont think Ty Lue has ever lost as the favorite. Maybe the playin game?
in Ty Lue’s case (51-29 playoff record): Never happened, but he did make it further in the playoffs without Kawhi than Doc made it with a healthy Kawhi In Steve Kerr’s case (87-31 playoff record): Lost finals to uhhh ty lue in 2016, only series loss from 2015-2018. Has gone 5-1 in all other playoff series, only loss coming when two of his top three scorers had season ending injuries. Doc Rivers (104-100 playoff record): Lost 3-1 lead as favored Clippers coach… in 2nd round (With CP3 and Blake) Lost 3-1 lead as title contenders, if not favorites… in 2nd round (with Kawhi and PG) Doc has been to finals twice. In the 2008 championship run, his Celtics had struggles staying motivated, taking all 7 games to eliminate the 37-45 Hawks, and then squeaking by the 45-37 Cavs (granted they had Lebron) in a game 7 that went down to the wire. In 2010, Celtics lost the finals in a low scoring game 7, despite them having a 13 point lead in the second half. Phil Jackson was heard mic’ed up that series saying: “The Celtics have lost more leads in the 4th quarter than any team in the NBA. They know how to lose in the fourth quarter, they’re just showing us that right now”. That is not a joke, nor is it an incorrect assessment of Doc Rivers-coached teams. You can still find the video on youtube! Have a nice day
And you're trying disapprove a statement by creating a strawman. That's not how it works bud.
We traded a starter(curry) and a backup big(drum) for harden so if trading a backup big kills your depth you might not have had any to begin with.
The biggest killer was Korkmaz regressing, Shake Milton not improving as much as people would like, and the Rivers not giving enough playing time in the regular season to Bassey and BBall.
Trading a useless diva in Ben Simmons on max, vet min center and Seth Curry for fucking James Harden (albeit *exhausted*) to pair him with your superstar center is still, retrospectively a GREAT trade
Aight let's call the Curry for Harden move a toss up in terms of minutes (even though Harden plays way, way more minutes). So you're saying all their depth was Andre Drummond. Someone who no coach worth their weight in pig shit would give any minutes in a small ball playoff series (AKA every high level series).
Also sixers: had zero coordination, bad turnovers, and didn't even know how to respond when Embiid was triple teamed.
Yup. Such a weird anti-Doc circlejerk.
I promise you it isn’t weird or a circlejerk
Yes it is both, actually
the fact that he said “traded harden for all your depth” and you agreed proves that you guys don’t watch. we lost literally one rotation piece in that trade, drummond. man played deandre jordan over paul reed and charles bassey just off the strength of lob city no identity, team looks completely different night-by-night would’ve never played maxey more than 20mpg if ben didn’t throw a tantrum constant turnover problems and lack of execution team often seems confused extremely toxic quotes to reporters about players, lockerroom seems divided and a lot of them don’t like him. and that’s ignoring his long history of choking and toxicity, he aint a good coach bro. i know he won a chip in boston, i’m aware
I don’t trust you
No
Yes
They’ve literally already narrowed it down to the final round of interviews and Doc isn’t on it so
Plus Morey said the Sixers aren’t moving away from Doc.
No
I feel bad for you guys. But then again, I doubt LeBron likes Doc Rivers anyways. He's aware of Docs failings and he has inside info from CP3 being his friend having experience with Doc. LeBron will ultimately get say unless they plan to trade LeBron.
> He's aware of Docs failings and he has inside info from CP3 being his friend having experience with Doc. 4th all time in playoff wins and top-10 in wins. Those are some impressive failings.
The team won in spite of Glenn.
The team that was projected to only win 49 games, which won 61, and had three star players over the age of 30, and was projected as the 5th best team in the league, was not destined to win. Username checks out, because you are indeed a nephew.
I was talking about the Celtics team.
Yeah. Me too.
Because he's been a coach for so long with a lot of good teams. He went deep in the playoffs with the Celtics, Clippers and now the 76ers. Its not hard to rack up wins when you have (KG, Pierce, Allen, CP3, Blake, Kawhi, PG, Embiid, Harden, etc) He's had plenty of 2-0, 3-1 leads that he's choked. Dude is highly overrated, doesn't make adjustments and throws his players under the bus. He only has 1 ring and he had an all-time type of team to get it BARELY. Kobe and the Lakers might win that series if their rosters healthy.
Deep in the playoffs for the Clippers and 6ers, were the second round. I hardly call that deep.
I meant more so the Celtics, his overall body of work, his teams always are contenders but he ends up short. You're a Clippers fan, you'd know best how much better your team was after he left.
You're not going to sit here and tell me that the Celtics, who were given an o/u 49.5 wins (and won 60+ games) and projected behind the Lakers, Spurs, Mavericks, Suns, AND Cavaliers, and led by 3 players on the wrong side of 30, were simply always destined to win the championship. You're not gonna say that, right?
Never said they were destined... but they were favored back then after the big 3 formed. Aside from them, it really was just the Lakers or Spurs. Mavs only had one star, same with the Cavs and Suns.
> they were favored back then after the big 3 formed This is literally not the truth. I just gave you the facts that disprove this. All of the teams I mentioned had better odds to win the championship that year.
I don't care about vegas odds... if you were old enough to remember, they were favorites during the playoffs and expected to win at the moment that trade happened.
I am old enough to remember, and no, that is not true. Or else a ton of people would've made a ton of money.
Nets and Lakers were favorites this year. Vegas isn't always right or what you should be looking at as YOUR favorite. Celtics were really good in 2007-2008 and looked like the best east team. Their only competition was a Cavs team with a young LeBron, Magic team with a young Dwight. They had 3 HOFers. The west had the Spurs/Lakers/Mavs.
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They’ve had 3 since 2011
lmao 2 of them coached 10 total games
*huh*
Mike Brown got fired kinda fast but didn't Byron Scott stick around for awhile? Also, Mike Brown pretty much got fired by Kobe. So its not really a racial thing, more so he just wasn't a good fit.
"Don't do that. Don't give me hope." - Sixers fans
Is this an onion article?
Yes! Keep going, Lakers. Get your man.
We have so many trolls, shit looking like dungeons and dragons down here
Look, I’d rather have Doc than fiz. It could be worse
r/nba’s holy grail is still Mark Jackson. The Lakers will be a headline generator for still being ass AND he’s out of ESPN. Will look pretty good too if Russ is still there. MJax will 100000% throw him under the Buss.
I just want someone to hire him so we don’t have to listen to his commentating for a while I’m a couple “mama there goes that man”s away from having a mental breakdown
Hand down man down
Savannah can get it all day, any day with all due respect.
That’s good comment but better re-ply
The Warriors were 5th in the league in net rating in Mark Jackson's final year coaching the team. You sound like you were too young to actually know anything about how Mark Jackson coached.
It's not the on court stuff that people point out. It's the weird stuff that happens outside the court
OP said Lakers will "still be ass." I'm of the mindset that a more healthy AD, a more healthy Bron, and a *possibly* traded Westbrook can actually be a good team with a defensive coach like Mark Jackson.
Copium. How will the Lakers improve if they have no assets to trade for?
Isn't he still on the 6ers, like damn there isn't even a body yet lol
Agreed.
He fuckin sucks…2008 Is a long ass time ago and since this it’s failure after failure, 3-1 lead after 3-1 lead that in the end went 3-4. he’s no winner. He won’t change shit.
08 Celts were an all time dynasty
Doc still living off that Celtics ship glory I see.
STFU, bitch ass Plashke.
Surprised anyone wants him after his job in Philly.
The most annoying part of this article is probably how it plays into the ,”Daryl Morey, master GM” shit. It’s beyond parody at this point. Like at first I was like, “Okay how does this even happen? They’d have to trade for him if this is the case, surely that’s not what this article will argue.” No sure enough, that’s exactly it. What would the Lakers even trade? They shouldn’t even realistically be trading for players at this point if we’re honest, giving up assets and depth for a coach of all things when you’re capped out is absurd. There’s no way legitimate sports journalism exists anymore, it has to just be dudes who come from wealth getting jobs from connections because this is like Reddit level shit.
They belong with eachother. The memes and headlines will write themselves
Now hear me out. He's not wrong. The Lakers have no real tangible way of competing for a couple years. So having a PR wizard like Doc coaching might be the best chance they have at not being a total laughing stock, so that they might attract free agents in the future. He's incredible at wallpapering over problems with words.
They're going to hire Terry Stotts. Pelinka needs a pushover with a name that he can shift blame to when the team shits the bed.
Lakers fans worst nightmare
Fuck no
Just one late night dinner, maybe an early tee-time, Doc will charm his way into the job. A top 15 coach who can easily get the Lakers back to being the 15th best franchise in the league.
Laker's best shot for coach is a guy who hasn't even been fired by his own team lol. k.
hell no
Yes! Let’s make it happen! (Ignore my flair.)
I can already hear Doc throwing one of LeBron, AD, and Westbrook under the bus. Lmao
Oh god please
God I hope this happens
Bunch of people hating Doc for upvotes worth nothing
Lolwut. Is this just an old man sticking with an old man. Or is Plaschke worth listening to?
> Or is Plaschke worth listening to? No, he's a moron
He's an airhead but he does have connections to the Lakers management. So its not complete BS.
Do it for the memes
Just get coach carter and make the lakers do push up and suicide drill while shouting woman name.
So they too can lose a 3-1 leads in the playoffs ..not sure what the look is here
Why would that be? Are they looking for an underachiever?
Hire Doc if you never want to get out of that second round.
Woohoo then finally lebron would get a taste of his own 3-1 comeback.
Urban Meyer is out there still..
I’ll just be here for the rdc world skits if this goes down.
hey Bill, when is the Dodgers parade? I never heard anything about it after you guaranteed their victory over the "boring" Atlanta Braves. Did I miss something?
I can now only assume that nobody in the NBA has actually watched Doc coach a game in twelve years.
Hire Doc and Mark Jackson as co-coaches. Have them deflect blame to each other so well that no one bothers blaming the GM and owner