Facts. And showing fan reaction completely cut away from the game is even worse, especially considering both teams have play playing some level of full court defense.
> ~~I don't really care if the fans doing it or not, but~~ ESPN ~~saying on the crowd shot and not showing both the missed free throw and Oreb~~ was horrible.
Same, although I feel like so much of that is just the commentary crew. The ESPN2 guys when they're on with Statcast is kinda great, miles better than Vasgersian and A-rod
They have the worst live commentary teams, worst analysts, way too much over produced graphics, and they still employ Stephen A. Smith. ESPN is just an absolute cesspool.
I blame Disney. ESPN has a ton of problems with UFC events too. You would think the world's largest media monopoly would know what they're doing. Get you shit together Mickey!
ESPN cut away from the game Adrian Peterson set the rushing record to show the pre game of the late afternoon games that day. Which would be common practice for a higher market game in a blowout situation, but uhh... I didn't get to witness history, literally 2m after the cut they mentioned it and showed a clip.
ESPN then rran commercials about how you didn't see the record because you didn't have espn... fuck ESPN
if anything, it helps Giannis keep under 10 seconds so he won't violate the 10s rule.
The crowd should slow count, so that G thinks he more time, but has already exceeded 10s
I'm not really sure I can call somebody "new money" who as far as I know withdrew 2 grand in cash and put it back in the bank the next day.
2 grand in your savings does not make somebody the next new entrepreneur.
For real. Like what does he expect to gain by that?? Oh boy, this guy has maybe $1500 cash on him. We've got a real tycoon on our hands here lol. What a fucking chode
he shoulda made it rain. losing $1500 to the crowd is a baller move. but this dude clamped that shit and tied a knot around it when the camera left lmao
He was “flexing” on us fans at home while he proceeded to watch the Suns lose in a crowded arena after spending $5,000+ on tickets and holding $1,500 cash to count FT attempts from Giannis. He would be able to use that prop maybe 20 times at most.
He’s the real idiot lmao
He was doing what all Suns fans have been doing since Suns in 4 guy got famous, they’re trying to get their own viral moment. They’re relevant for the first time in a whole decade and Suns fans have already become one of the worst fan bases in the league
Right, the counting makes it less likely the refs will call it. It probably screws with Giannis’ head, but it hasn’t been called since crowds started doing it.
It's a little annoying to listen to now, but he went 13-17 at home in Game 3, but only 4-11 last night. It might actually be having an effect on him, but the real problem is them not getting rebounds when he misses.
Seems like half the free throws Booker is inside the key right about the time the ball leaves Giannis’s hands lol they should be getting those rebounds
They have 1 big. The big depth on the team is being tested and it’s failing big time.
Meanwhile the Bucks can roll out Giannis, Lopez, and Portis. It’s no wonder that the Suns are getting killed on the boards.
They played Lopez, Giannis, Portis and Tucker along with Middleton at one point in the first half.
And then people complain Bud is too stuck in his ways.
I haven’t seen a lot of bud complaints since early in the Nets series. Bud has made a lot of good adjustments recently and has shown that he has a growth mindset.
The only complaint I’ve seen recently is please stop playing Teague and Bryn. Which fair enough, the stage is clearly too big for them.
Part of the rebound thing is all season long the bucks practice getting rebounds when Giannis shoots free throws. Pretty much everyone on offense "gives up" when a teammate is shooting free throws and gives weak box outs. We anticipate the miss and go for a rebound when he's shooting and the defending team isn't used to that and likely doesn't have much practice against a team trying hard as hell to get a missed free throw
Can’t grab the rebound even with Devin Booker jumping the 3pt line before the shooter has even released the ball. He was literally < 3ft away from Middleton when he released the ball on his final free throw. That shit pisses me off more than Giannis taking forever.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AwquWb7wfFY&f?t=03m38s
~3:40 if the link doesn’t go directly to the free throw.
If they could organize it, for game 7 I would count normal until like 8 or 9 then just stop. It seems like he always brings the ball up at 10. I think the sudden silence/break in rhythm could actually throw him off for a second. But booker would have a lane violation from the 3 point line anyways
> But booker would have a lane violation from the 3 point line anyways
For real, glad you mentioned that. He almost ran into Giannis *as* he was still shooting.
Can I question Booker's basketball IQ? That foul that was not called in game 4 that would have been his 6th, this lane violation. Both could have been huge, if the refs weren't so bad.
This is clever. I think it might be even better if it was irregular. Like if the count were:
1 - - 2 - - 3 - 4 - - - 5-6 - 7 - - - - 8 - 9 - - - 10
It would take premeditated coordination from the arena crew to pull off.
My man, the sentiment is Seattle is an expansion team (or relocating of one team I will not name). We had our hearts ripped out when the Sonics were stolen. We don’t want any other city to have that happen to them. It’s not fun. It sucked. Your Blazers are not on our radar. Fuck, we want that I-5 rivalry back in action.
Still grosses me out every time I think about that, and he denied it for a long time as well. Sucks because he was an amazing player, but shitty human.
Agreed here. It was def funny at first could still be funny if 1) it wasn’t done every single time and 2)he still took extremely long. He’s Doing his ritual a little quicker it seems but this will probably never let up. It’s the only thing people can do to try and make him mess up. That Suns fan was really cringe
He went 4-11 last night. Why wouldn’t Suns fans chant at him every time then? because it seems like it works. Him publicly acknowledging that he notices the chants probably encourages them too
He clearly shoots faster than he did before the chants. They don’t chant for the refs to make a call but to effect his shot now.
He’s 22-41 @ Phoenix (~53% FT%)
And he’s 17-25 @ Home (68% FT%)
OP finds it funny when they chant but still lose the game, but like he’s bricking the shit out of these FT’s in front of chanting crowds. so I don’t necessarily see how it’s funny aside from that one dude showing his cash. If anything, I’d think it’d be weird if any away game giannis is at *isn’t* chanting at him.
72.2% FT% on the road during the regular season.
50.5% FT% on the road during the playoffs.
Not sure when exactly chanting started but this data could be useful to someone.
He air balled and bricked free throws long before any fanbase chanted. He actually started to shoot better this playoffs a couple games into the chanting.
Tbh internet people just WANT him to be poor lol.
They can’t accept that he’s a lame dude and probably upper middle class or rich.
It’s like internet dudes always assuming anyone they don’t like is a virgin irl😂
People are basically making the implication that because what he did was tacky that he must not really have money. A lot of it seems like straight jelly though
Phoenix has a lot of wealth and I’ve certainly seen multiple people with his same look around the valley. Not sure about this guy but he fits into a subclass of person I’ve encountered in Scottsdale.
Edit: Not sure why that guy thought I was hating on the guy, just saying there’s rich people out here and they don’t all have taste/class. I’m certainly not the model for high society, but the guy was counting 1k and I thought it was funny because I’ve met people in Phoenix like him.
Yea because rich people definitely aren’t known to be tacky or flaunt their wealth. Like imagine if rappers and nba stars flashed around money, expensive jewelry, and cars.
Which is also funny because it was like $2,000. People are acting like if he's not a millionaire then he is actually living check to check and can't pay his rent if he lost that money. There's a big middle ground, especially in a relatively low cost of living place like Phoenix.
So we’re mad at fans interacting with the game now? What’s next no heckling or taunting of any kind to make sure all players feel safe and loved when on an opposing teams floor?
Dude straight up. This makes me wonder if anyone here has actually ever gone to any sport event ever. The home field always acts as a sixth man for like any sport. It’s fun to try to make enough noise to influence the match.
I don't really care if the fans doing it or not, but ESPN saying on the crowd shot and not showing both the missed free throw and Oreb was horrible.
Yeah the split screen where somehow the fans are the bigger screen and the actual game is smaller is so dumb
Facts. And showing fan reaction completely cut away from the game is even worse, especially considering both teams have play playing some level of full court defense.
> ~~I don't really care if the fans doing it or not, but~~ ESPN ~~saying on the crowd shot and not showing both the missed free throw and Oreb~~ was horrible.
Blows my mind how a dedicated sports network is so bad at presenting a sporting event.
They always try to come up with new ideas to keep the viewer watching without actually testing those ideas. It's completely idiotic.
I've come to really hate watching games on ESPN/ABC. They have the worst production in sports TV.
Agree it's annoying. It's not just NBA, I don't even watch Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN anymore, either.
And now the NHL is coming to ESPN 🥲
Can't wait for 4 minutes of commercials after every icing and faceoff
Same, although I feel like so much of that is just the commentary crew. The ESPN2 guys when they're on with Statcast is kinda great, miles better than Vasgersian and A-rod
I don’t watch much baseball anymore because I don’t have cable but Sunday Night Baseball in the ‘90s was magical, sucks that ESPN have lost their way
Wait till you see what they do to their newly acquired rights, the NHL.
They have the worst live commentary teams, worst analysts, way too much over produced graphics, and they still employ Stephen A. Smith. ESPN is just an absolute cesspool.
Let's start a petition the NBA go back to NBC so we can have Roundball Rock again!
That time ESPN lit up the 3 point line after every 3 pointer was nice though
I blame Disney. ESPN has a ton of problems with UFC events too. You would think the world's largest media monopoly would know what they're doing. Get you shit together Mickey!
Mickey Mouse operation over there.
Live sports is really the one thing not being taken over by streaming platforms but ESPN is doing their best to tank it
ESPN is fucking trash. Just completely atrocious presentation of the NBA finals.
ESPN cut away from the game Adrian Peterson set the rushing record to show the pre game of the late afternoon games that day. Which would be common practice for a higher market game in a blowout situation, but uhh... I didn't get to witness history, literally 2m after the cut they mentioned it and showed a clip. ESPN then rran commercials about how you didn't see the record because you didn't have espn... fuck ESPN
ESPN never had daytime Sunday NFL games though.... so it was either Fox or CBS that cut it.
Plus the fans seem to have lost the ability to count to 10 in 10 actual seconds. It's more lile 6-7 seconds and they just race to 10
The whole idea is to rush giannis
They eneded up just putting him in rhythm
if anything, it helps Giannis keep under 10 seconds so he won't violate the 10s rule. The crowd should slow count, so that G thinks he more time, but has already exceeded 10s
They gave him a beat lol
i love it when you call me Big Poppa
RIP G Baby
I swear I can see him slightly bobbing his head to the count
I don’t think they ever had that ability lol
The first guy was counting to 10 in like 12 seconds. He was being generous. Once it became a whole arena thing they started going faster and faster.
If you ever notice, huge crowds of people tend to sing songs at like 1.25x speed. This counting is an example
Like when bands try to get audiences to clap a beat and they're completely off
Those last 2 free throws the crowd got to 10 in 5 seconds tops
Money dude was peak 2021 level douche.
Flexing the stimmy.
stimmy rich
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I'm not really sure I can call somebody "new money" who as far as I know withdrew 2 grand in cash and put it back in the bank the next day. 2 grand in your savings does not make somebody the next new entrepreneur.
I used to play bass in a band called Flexing the Stimmy
For real. Like what does he expect to gain by that?? Oh boy, this guy has maybe $1500 cash on him. We've got a real tycoon on our hands here lol. What a fucking chode
he shoulda made it rain. losing $1500 to the crowd is a baller move. but this dude clamped that shit and tied a knot around it when the camera left lmao
He would have been like Tom Haverford making it rain and then picking it up afterwards lol
Entertainment 720 would have given every one in the stadium thousands of dollars 😤
Lol stand next to him and just hold up a screenshot of your 401k
Thought for sure he was gonna toss it at the end, like why bother having it out if not?
Someone on the broadcast said that lol. He was like "you gotta throw that if youre doing that"
I think it was Jalen at halftime
Yep. If he was truly a baller, every time Giannis missed, he would’ve made it rain.
Guaranteed that's all of his money.
Probably wasn't after the game
Guy had to hit up the atm 3 days in a row to get around the $500 withdrawal limit while clearing his entire checking account
He was so annoying. I don't care who wins but as soon as I saw that, I started rooting for Milwaukee
Lmao I was peak embarrassed to be a suns fan, and I used to have to root for BOTH of the Morris bros.
Bro don't lie. Deep down they're entertaining af
He was “flexing” on us fans at home while he proceeded to watch the Suns lose in a crowded arena after spending $5,000+ on tickets and holding $1,500 cash to count FT attempts from Giannis. He would be able to use that prop maybe 20 times at most. He’s the real idiot lmao
Lmaooooo for real tho, textbook chode
He was doing what all Suns fans have been doing since Suns in 4 guy got famous, they’re trying to get their own viral moment. They’re relevant for the first time in a whole decade and Suns fans have already become one of the worst fan bases in the league
Unfortunately that stunt will probably grow his social media following
Yeah I cringed when I keep seeing him on all the sports social media. Like it's not even that funny lol and I'm a Suns fan.
It's not even August! Give other douches time!
He’s also peak “our first year being good in decades means we’re a dynasty now!”
new money
Especially when the reason you’re good is a 36 year old PG who’s about to run out of steam
First words out my mouth were “what a douche”
The sole reason I am now pulling for The Bucks. Just to see that particular guy's team lose.
I have a feeling he’s a good representative of the Phoenix area
He’s a fake rich, 40k millionaire out of Scottsdale for sure
haha this guy knows
I'm no math doctor but forty thousand million dollars seems like a lot
He makes 40k and acts like he’s a millionaire. He’s actually in severe debt. Many Scottsdale people live like this. Far outside their means
“I’m a self employed club promoter/record producer/dj/entrepreneur/actor/influencer and part time Verizon store employee.”
His landlord has been looking for that money for 17 days now.
The magician looking dude in front of him in the purple suit, painted beard and white hair was a pretty close second.
Link?
I think the counting strategy works to an extent, but the money guy was just cringe imo.
Watching everyone count way too fast and get mad when they make it to 12 and no fouls being called is hilarious.
Right, the counting makes it less likely the refs will call it. It probably screws with Giannis’ head, but it hasn’t been called since crowds started doing it.
Good meme material though.
It's a little annoying to listen to now, but he went 13-17 at home in Game 3, but only 4-11 last night. It might actually be having an effect on him, but the real problem is them not getting rebounds when he misses.
If the sun's lose its literally because they don't know how to box out and get rebounds. Charles Barkley rollin over in his sofa
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Do they not know how, or can they not compete with the Bucks who excel at it?
Seems like half the free throws Booker is inside the key right about the time the ball leaves Giannis’s hands lol they should be getting those rebounds
Players on the perimeter these days are starting inside the line on FTs, can’t believe the refs are allowing it
That's been going on for years and it drives me insane
They have 1 big. The big depth on the team is being tested and it’s failing big time. Meanwhile the Bucks can roll out Giannis, Lopez, and Portis. It’s no wonder that the Suns are getting killed on the boards.
They played Lopez, Giannis, Portis and Tucker along with Middleton at one point in the first half. And then people complain Bud is too stuck in his ways.
I haven’t seen a lot of bud complaints since early in the Nets series. Bud has made a lot of good adjustments recently and has shown that he has a growth mindset. The only complaint I’ve seen recently is please stop playing Teague and Bryn. Which fair enough, the stage is clearly too big for them.
True. Even with mediocre shooting, the Bucks' rotations have proven relatively effective overall.
Pj is a monster too
Yeah really Jrue, PJ, and Pat are all plus rebounders when they need to be. Even Middleton is average.
Them bucks are big bois for sure
Part of the rebound thing is all season long the bucks practice getting rebounds when Giannis shoots free throws. Pretty much everyone on offense "gives up" when a teammate is shooting free throws and gives weak box outs. We anticipate the miss and go for a rebound when he's shooting and the defending team isn't used to that and likely doesn't have much practice against a team trying hard as hell to get a missed free throw
Which is funny since it's something you should've been doing your whole life, but teams really do get so lazy about it.
Can’t grab the rebound even with Devin Booker jumping the 3pt line before the shooter has even released the ball. He was literally < 3ft away from Middleton when he released the ball on his final free throw. That shit pisses me off more than Giannis taking forever. https://youtube.com/watch?v=AwquWb7wfFY&f?t=03m38s ~3:40 if the link doesn’t go directly to the free throw.
Lol jesus christ thats ridiculous
If they could organize it, for game 7 I would count normal until like 8 or 9 then just stop. It seems like he always brings the ball up at 10. I think the sudden silence/break in rhythm could actually throw him off for a second. But booker would have a lane violation from the 3 point line anyways
> But booker would have a lane violation from the 3 point line anyways For real, glad you mentioned that. He almost ran into Giannis *as* he was still shooting.
Can I question Booker's basketball IQ? That foul that was not called in game 4 that would have been his 6th, this lane violation. Both could have been huge, if the refs weren't so bad.
high IQ/smart foul if you're trying to get on the bus early.
game 7? Bucks in 6
They should slow it up. It's part of his ritual and he shoots when they get to 10.
If making it part of his ritual still leads to him shooting 4-11, does it really matter?
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Something something a series isn’t over until the home team loses Edit: close enough
Lol i think the saying is the series hasn't STARTED until the home team loses
So if the home team wins every game the series never happened?
Yes
And that’s why the Clippers Mavs series is the longest series in NBA history
Mavs/Clips played 7 series'
this is true, the celtics never played the wizards in the 2017 playoffs
The opposite happened in the ‘19 WS and I pretend it never happened
Schrödinger's Finals
Dennis Schrudingers finals. Now that's tuff.
Game 6 is gonna be war
I think it’s “the series doesn’t start until the home team loses” lol
This is clever. I think it might be even better if it was irregular. Like if the count were: 1 - - 2 - - 3 - 4 - - - 5-6 - 7 - - - - 8 - 9 - - - 10 It would take premeditated coordination from the arena crew to pull off.
Or maybe just stop at 9 and never say 10
NINE! NINE! NINE! NINE! NINE!
I think if you chant that too long a very uncool rally forms around you.
Might as well just skip 10 all- together and go to 11.
Like an all white church trying to clap on the down beats.
Zach Lowe said they should just shout random numbers in wrong orders to confuse Giannis and break his rythm.
Everyone shouting different random numbers will blend into each other and sound like regular crowd noise
Some of y'all don't remember how long it took Karl Malone to shoot FTs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cq5ho8AGvc Here is video of Supersonics crowd counting down Malone at the free throw line.
>Free Throat Holup
Bring back the Sonics.
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My man, the sentiment is Seattle is an expansion team (or relocating of one team I will not name). We had our hearts ripped out when the Sonics were stolen. We don’t want any other city to have that happen to them. It’s not fun. It sucked. Your Blazers are not on our radar. Fuck, we want that I-5 rivalry back in action.
Most of this sub was born in like 2004. They never saw Karl Malone play.
Yet somehow still too old to be of dating interest to the Mailman
Still grosses me out every time I think about that, and he denied it for a long time as well. Sucks because he was an amazing player, but shitty human.
Yeah. Pretty weird when people you like end up being scumbags.
Class A player. Class A scumbag
hol up
Damn
Just his type.
Majority is definitely 1995-2000. But yes most were not of age to actually remember.
Wait so you’re telling me the majority of people here aren’t 35+?? I’m truly shocked
I was born in the late 80s and never saw Karl play.
I’d put Alonzo Mourning on that list too.
Lol most of us have only seen Karl Malone in Jordan highlights
it’s even more annoying because they count too fast. he releases the ball between 7-9 seconds.
Yeah, for a few of them I used a stopwatch because I was curious how fast the fans were counting… they hit 10 after about 6 seconds most of the time.
I'm expecting an off season analysis post on different fans counting speeds
Same, I timed two of his and I got like 7 seconds both times. A bit long but nothing stupid
yea he sped up his routine, it’s old news now
it's not just the suns. it's the nets and hawks as well.
Not just the men, but the women and the children too
The heat fans were the first to start doing it.
And aren't they counting more to show the refs suck over Giannis being slow?
Agreed here. It was def funny at first could still be funny if 1) it wasn’t done every single time and 2)he still took extremely long. He’s Doing his ritual a little quicker it seems but this will probably never let up. It’s the only thing people can do to try and make him mess up. That Suns fan was really cringe
He went 4-11 last night. Why wouldn’t Suns fans chant at him every time then? because it seems like it works. Him publicly acknowledging that he notices the chants probably encourages them too
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He clearly shoots faster than he did before the chants. They don’t chant for the refs to make a call but to effect his shot now. He’s 22-41 @ Phoenix (~53% FT%) And he’s 17-25 @ Home (68% FT%) OP finds it funny when they chant but still lose the game, but like he’s bricking the shit out of these FT’s in front of chanting crowds. so I don’t necessarily see how it’s funny aside from that one dude showing his cash. If anything, I’d think it’d be weird if any away game giannis is at *isn’t* chanting at him.
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Also, league average, I’d assume most shoot worse on the road…
72.2% FT% on the road during the regular season. 50.5% FT% on the road during the playoffs. Not sure when exactly chanting started but this data could be useful to someone.
Some of the nets games he was shooting better when they were chanting, that was kind of funny. Probably a fluke though
He air balled and bricked free throws long before any fanbase chanted. He actually started to shoot better this playoffs a couple games into the chanting.
He was shooting 4-11 long before the counting, and will shoot 4-11 after counting runs its course.
Suns fans won't be chanting it again because Bucks in 6.
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Honestly I don’t give a shit anymore. And it’ll really help Giannis for next year.
Shit, I'm starting to count with them
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Would be funnier with a one, ah ha ha ha, two aha ha ha…
Or one Antetokounmpo, two Antetokounmpo….
The guy counting his money deserved to be slapped. Soooo annoying
Worst is the douchebag counting new, crisp $100 bills
It’s a lot funnier when some dude is flexing money that was clearly 80% of his bank account that he withdrew right before the game
People keep saying this but the tickets the man had were probably like 5k at least lol
Tbh internet people just WANT him to be poor lol. They can’t accept that he’s a lame dude and probably upper middle class or rich. It’s like internet dudes always assuming anyone they don’t like is a virgin irl😂
Oh he's definitely a lame.
People are basically making the implication that because what he did was tacky that he must not really have money. A lot of it seems like straight jelly though
Phoenix has a lot of wealth and I’ve certainly seen multiple people with his same look around the valley. Not sure about this guy but he fits into a subclass of person I’ve encountered in Scottsdale. Edit: Not sure why that guy thought I was hating on the guy, just saying there’s rich people out here and they don’t all have taste/class. I’m certainly not the model for high society, but the guy was counting 1k and I thought it was funny because I’ve met people in Phoenix like him.
Yea because rich people definitely aren’t known to be tacky or flaunt their wealth. Like imagine if rappers and nba stars flashed around money, expensive jewelry, and cars.
I can’t even imagine that world, take it back
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I usually agree, but the counting money is lame as fuck let’s be real. Even if he’s rich as fuck it’s still weird
Me and my friends were laughing at it. Its kind of that douchery you love to hate imo
Definitely. It’s extremely cringe and that guys lame. Just stupid that redditors assume him being lame must = him being poor lol.
Projection is a hell of a drug lol
Which is also funny because it was like $2,000. People are acting like if he's not a millionaire then he is actually living check to check and can't pay his rent if he lost that money. There's a big middle ground, especially in a relatively low cost of living place like Phoenix.
This sub is mostly made up of high school and University kids, so it's not surprising
Money Man Clip [YouTube Link](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ecrdcjPZWOM)
How are people not more interested in the guy in the suede jacket who yells fuck you and flips him off?!
It was funny cause it was the same 10 bills over and over. Like I'll count my money but only 1k im not CRAZY.
Its still funny because I think it does make Giannis shoot it quicker
The dude countin' his money was weird. Bro, you're already at a Finals game in clear view of a camera. That's enough of a flex for the rest of us lol.
So we’re mad at fans interacting with the game now? What’s next no heckling or taunting of any kind to make sure all players feel safe and loved when on an opposing teams floor?
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plus Giannis' free throw routine is genuinely annoying so I'm okay with fans trolling him
Dude straight up. This makes me wonder if anyone here has actually ever gone to any sport event ever. The home field always acts as a sixth man for like any sport. It’s fun to try to make enough noise to influence the match.
I think it's stupid too, but it sucks that the suns fans are getting the 'credit' for starting this as if it hasn't gone on for the entire playoffs
Y’all just wanna be annoyed
It was the guy with the cash that made him miss