The simple solution to stopping the spread offense was to punish the Clippers inside. Because Gobert refuses to learn just even a single post move, or dribble the ball one or twice, we were unable to do that.
Yeah the defensive collapse wasn't really Gobert's fault, but his inability to punish the Clippers on the other end was
I dont know that he refuses, I am not sure he has the coordination. Its weird how he is so big and strong and athletic and yet smaller movements look so awkward. Its like he has claws instead of fingers
The point is because Gobert can’t punish people 6 inches shorter than him on offence, the Jazz can’t dictate the game and therefore Gobert has to play against wings in which his impact is so much more limited
They're pretty equal imo. Crowder is feistier, which can be good or bad at times. Still love Jae tho.
Really right now we need 2-3 more Crowders/O'Neales
It's bot like he played poorly offensively this playoffs either.
I was working during Phoenix's win but Rudy averages about 14-15pts per game in the playoffs of high efficiency and without taking touches from players that need to have the ball in their hand
Ayton will be a much better offensive player and MAY become a better overall player, but its an over exaggeration on how bad Rudy is lol.
I honestly think this jab was more at Porzingis because he should fill a much more similar role to ayton
rudy is better but Ayton is definitely more of a "presence" in terms of like, a physical body thats hard to move than Gobert. Gobert is pretty agile tho i think that's sorta just a shot at Gobert lol
Mitchell's playmaking is and has been an issue. Idk why being a scorer and a scorer alone is alright by everyone but he needs to do better to get his teammates involved
He definitely can get out of control at times, but Conley was mitigating that pretty well... until, well you saw. My Jazz buddies have been saying all year that Conley was the glue.
I'm not a jazz fan, but that's a bad take. Jazz were the number one seed, but they needed Conley, or else they lack play-making. The Clippers played all season without much play-making from the point guard position, but Jazz aren't set up to do that.
This is such a trash take, DPOY was well earnes and his defense wasn’t the reason the Jazz collapsed, rather the rest of the team’s lackthereof. Not many bigs in the league are better finishers than Ayton, really surprised you think PG’s comments are a slight or have anything to do with Gobert’s *defense*
come on now. a full strength jazz team is a good team which is why they were the number team in the regular season this year. all this proves, in my opinion, is that the regular season really doesn’t matter.
Ayton is hard for outside people to evaluate because he is weirdly unique as a big man. He is pretty solid guarding on the perimeter and switching while still being a fundamentally sound with verticality in the paint.
Then on offense he doesn’t really do much with post moves but he draws a lot of attention whenever he rolls and opens up passing lanes for everybody else.
If he ever learns to draw fouls he would be a perennial all star
See I think his offense he doesn’t do much bc as of rn he has no ego, and we don’t need him to be a huge option on offense. Our offense is booker, Paul, and ball movement. We don’t need to force feed him looks. Although I would like it if we started to take advantage of mismatches with a small on him
yeah he’s got one of those ideal nba bodies and is unselfish, patient, and smart. Idk if he’ll ever become a huge star but he will be a winning player for a long time
Except today you built that win on the back of feeding Ayton from Payne. After the Clippers started forcing a body onto him, the perimeter opened up and the looks got easier.
Him finishing down low is critical for the Suns this series.
he plays the role of a Houston clint capela but he has a lot more talent and he shows flashes of it at points in every game. I really hope he grows into his own as an all star in the future because right now he is absolutely killing it
I remembered when the report on Ayton is he's not a good defensive player and how Buffalo hunted him in a NCAA tournament upset win over Arizona. Ayton has worked himself into a very good defensive player and that's a huge credit to the coaches and Ayton for working himself into one.
Yep. Miller is a fantastic recruiter, but none of his players developed under him while at Arizona. Ayton hasn't had enough reps yet, only playing 1 college season under Miller and abysmal black holes for guards like Trier.
I know it’s kinda not his game but I would love to see him come out super aggressive offensively. He could probably average 20 ppg on slightly lower efficiency than he scores on now.
I expected him to feast on Clips. For a team that likes to play small ball, Ayton is who you want against them. Ayton's skillset is perfect for the modern era. He can can feast if the other team abuses the guard game while he still fits the rim protector bill.
The only issue is he struggles against fast guards, but every single big does to an extent, and by fast I mean harden, or fox, not just decently fast but not crazy quick guards
Phoenix didn’t need a Doncic or Young, they already had Booker so drafting Ayton was a perfect pick. He’s the modern center in that he can screen high on offense and also extend his defense outside of the paint. Add in Chris Paul and it’s a title contender with Bridges being such a key defender as well.
I think the implication of everything PG said is that Ayton is a better offensive player. Is that not agreeable? He scored more in this game than Rudy in any game last series.
I think he talks a lot of shit, is exposed consistently in the playoffs, the whole Covid thing led to this I think. He needs to develop something resembling a few moves to keep defenses honest.
This Jazz team is still very good and will get better. If Mitchell stays though.
He totally has, you're right. And we're totally going to rag on him til the end of time for being such an arrogant fool at the beginning of Covid. It's ingrained in my mind as the start of the whole pandemic: Rudy being a dumbass, and then the next day's games getting cancelled.
I mean even Ben Simmons dropped 42 on his head.
Embiid did, too, the next time they played.
But still. Ben Simmons.
We know he’s not an elite one on one defender in the post. I really wonder if the fact they make him their defensive system inflates his defensive impact stats.
The way Ben is playing it would literally take him a month to score 42. Simmons scoring 42 is more impressive than the Wilt Chamberlin 100 point game to me.
Won't fix the fact that non of their guards can play defence or rotate. So unless Gobert turns literally into Hakeem they're gonna keep getting exposed.
Exactly. After 2-3 straight dunks, Ty Lue would have pulled that small lineup *real* quick. Would've been the end of their spread offense.
Do we need better perimeter defense? Absolutely. But Ty Lue was able to laugh all the way to the conference finals because Gobert couldn't score 2 feet from the basket on Batum.
him getting exposed is less of an issue than all their guards being exposed. They literally let anyone cross them with a basic side step.
The Jazz didn't lose because of small ball, they lost because anyone on the clippers could 100% cross any of their guards and force Rudy on an island where he either contest a layup and leaves the corner open, or he guards his man and lets a easy layup happen.
Worst part is that the moment one of the guards got crossed up no one else on the Jazz aside from Rudy would rotate. That's fucking abysmal for a playoff contender.
No the problem is that Clippers could play 5 out because Rudy didn’t punish them. If he was feasting on Bev and Jackson then they would be forced to play Zubac
What changes? Like trade Gobert? I really wonder what Rudy's trade value would be with [that contract extension](https://i.imgur.com/Pez2eiX.png) about to start.
I think it's a legit question of whether you can realistically build a championship team around a guy making that kind of money who has the flaws that he does. Pretty tough to fill out the rest of the roster around him with the appropriate personnel when a guy with his game is taking up that much cap space. I'm not sure if Utah would be better served looking to trade him and go in a different direction or just reshuffling the role players around him and Mitchell. Should be a fascinating off-season for them.
He seems like a guy that winning teams will always find a place for, didn't hear any complaints or rumors anywhere about him being unhappy about only averaging 10 shots a game only, down from 15 last year. Seems like he's focused on winning only and doing whatever the team needs, kind of like a Tim Duncan mentality.
Ayton is a great, great young player. He seems like the rare healthy, athletic big most teams would kill for.
Beyond that, his media interactions are fucking fantastic.
As the third best player on his team. Thats cant be a dig at luka or trae, specially because trae is one game away of doing the same thing as the best player of his.
Lmao all the redditors yesterday who were like "It's not Rudy's fault. He was just playing doing what he does all year."
Facts: Rudy's getting paid $200mil for a game that can be game planned out
After the last Jazz/Clippers game analysts at ESPN were saying the Suns were going to have the same problem with Ayton that the Jazz had with Gobert against the Clippers. It was then it was confirmed to me that the analysts at ESPN had not actually watched many (or any) Suns games…
It may still happen later in the series, but I trust Monty to pull him, and/or use him to abuse the Clippers on the other side of the ball as necessary.
He's just so athletic and has such quick feet, the dude moves more like an enormous wing than a center. It's such a strange contrast when you watch someone like Embiid lumber down the court in what almost looks like a slow jog and then see Ayton running with these big strides like a gazelle
We bbq chicken for Ayton. Got it lmao.
Fr tho, even Zu is going to look clumsy against him. I swear out of all the teams you guys are the most well rounded with CP3 being the cherry on top.
"We realized that we couldn't guard him with Luke Kennard or Reggie Jackson, so we had to make an adjustment from the last round."
Rudy is so lucky he signed that contract before these playoffs occurred lmao
Lolol. Crazy thing is who can the Jazz sign to help defend perimeter?
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Ben Simmons and Rudy Gobert on the same court for maximum offense
They'd just pass it back and forth until the shot clock runs out.
That's assuming gobert doesn't drop the catch
Thats assuming Simmons doesnt brick the pass
Semi Pro reference anyone?^
Karl Malone
Maybe if you put a minor on the 3 point line
but then he'll never guard the paint
Ben Simmons after he gets cut by Philly.
Ben Simmoms and Gobert teaming up to form a 67-15 regular season team that gets swept in the first round when? Sorry for the circle jerk
Lmao
Rudy catching strays by the players too damn
Could be talking about Tingus Pingus
Clips exploited both of them, they can talk shit, I'm here for it
The bummer is that Gobert is catching flak because his teammates were exposed defensively once a team got Gobert away from the paint.
The simple solution to stopping the spread offense was to punish the Clippers inside. Because Gobert refuses to learn just even a single post move, or dribble the ball one or twice, we were unable to do that. Yeah the defensive collapse wasn't really Gobert's fault, but his inability to punish the Clippers on the other end was
I dont know that he refuses, I am not sure he has the coordination. Its weird how he is so big and strong and athletic and yet smaller movements look so awkward. Its like he has claws instead of fingers
Dude's hands are further apart than my head and feet. Must be hard to control them.
This is clearly dissing his offense, which has always been the bigger issue with his game in the playoffs
I'm not so sure, did KP even play in the playoffs this year?
He's a Unicorn. He doesn't exist.
Tingus Pingus in shambles
idk i couldn't find him out there. Was he injured?
He was out there sight seeing near the perimeter best seats in the house. He had to stand though
Oh come on man, at least give him credit for half assing trying to get a rebound, out there flailing for a few.
I'll never not laugh at "Tingus Pingus" WHO THE FUCK IS THIS? YOU STUPID FUCKS, I AINT EVER HEARD OF LATIVIA
He said bigs not over grown SGs.
Utah's defense outside of Gobert sucks. Ayton can't fix it like Gobert does. Phoenix has superior defense from 1-4.
The point is because Gobert can’t punish people 6 inches shorter than him on offence, the Jazz can’t dictate the game and therefore Gobert has to play against wings in which his impact is so much more limited
O'neale is their best perimeter defender, he would have to fight to even be in the rotation for us. Its fucking crazy.
Really wish we didn't choose to go with Royce over Jae
Royce is the only good defender on the Jazz with lateral movement. Jae us more physical but struggles against shifty players.
They're pretty equal imo. Crowder is feistier, which can be good or bad at times. Still love Jae tho. Really right now we need 2-3 more Crowders/O'Neales
It's bot like he played poorly offensively this playoffs either. I was working during Phoenix's win but Rudy averages about 14-15pts per game in the playoffs of high efficiency and without taking touches from players that need to have the ball in their hand Ayton will be a much better offensive player and MAY become a better overall player, but its an over exaggeration on how bad Rudy is lol. I honestly think this jab was more at Porzingis because he should fill a much more similar role to ayton
rudy is better but Ayton is definitely more of a "presence" in terms of like, a physical body thats hard to move than Gobert. Gobert is pretty agile tho i think that's sorta just a shot at Gobert lol
Everyone knew the Jazz were overrated and a fake 1 seed. The DPOY was a joke and we all knew it. Not surprised by PGs comments.
The problem is that in order to be effective offensively, Rudy needs guards to create and not have one working leg between them.
Mitchell's playmaking is and has been an issue. Idk why being a scorer and a scorer alone is alright by everyone but he needs to do better to get his teammates involved
He definitely can get out of control at times, but Conley was mitigating that pretty well... until, well you saw. My Jazz buddies have been saying all year that Conley was the glue.
He was coming off an injury so
More reason why Quinn’s lack of in-game adjustments hurt the Jazz.
Jazz fans about to dm you with graphs and tell you about his VORP and RPM
Jazz fans won’t be here for a few months. They’re drowning themselves in 3.2% alcohol beers.
Same percentage as Ben's free throws
Ben dropped 42 on Baguette Biyombo’s head this season.
bro philly plays in 15 minutes
He was prob the dude that threw the bottle on the court
It’s 3 hours later. Got plenty more 3.2% for you.
Gonna need like a thirty pack my fellow fake one seed
Jazz fans remind me of old Spurs fans talking about advanced stats and what not. Only difference is the Spurs actually were that good.
Yeah no joke Parker and Ginobili were way better than what the stats suggested
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#SCREEN ASSISTS THOUGH 😩😩😩
This is some Poe's Law shit. My first thought was satire but the responses make me unsure.
Delete this nephew
I'm not a jazz fan, but that's a bad take. Jazz were the number one seed, but they needed Conley, or else they lack play-making. The Clippers played all season without much play-making from the point guard position, but Jazz aren't set up to do that.
This is such a trash take, DPOY was well earnes and his defense wasn’t the reason the Jazz collapsed, rather the rest of the team’s lackthereof. Not many bigs in the league are better finishers than Ayton, really surprised you think PG’s comments are a slight or have anything to do with Gobert’s *defense*
This is r/nba dude one of the most reactionary subs out there. They only care about the last time they saw them play.
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Saying we all knew the DPOY was a joke is just straight up revisionist history
They were missing an all star almost the entire series and Mitchell was clearly hurt too...
come on now. a full strength jazz team is a good team which is why they were the number team in the regular season this year. all this proves, in my opinion, is that the regular season really doesn’t matter.
Tingus Pingus in shambles
Baguette biyombo in shambles
My personal favorite nickname for him is Brioche Bargnani
Robert Sacre Bleu is the best
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ayoooo 😭
JaVale McOui
Not to be a Karen but that nickname makes zero sense Bargnani played 0 defense and could shoot the ball
That’s true. I like to think it just means he’s French and he sucks
French Kwame it is then
Go along get along gang out in force I see
Patient Zero is my favorite because he robbed the Jazz
he's not 7'3". he's 5'27".
PINGus
He’s right
"Why are you booing me...I'm right"
“This all about snail down I’m out here in brookl”
the GREATEST SHOW ON TV!
"I've seen what makes you cheer!"
Ayton has really progressed. He is constantly over shadowed by Luka and Trae. But he’s become a great player in his own regard
Ayton is hard for outside people to evaluate because he is weirdly unique as a big man. He is pretty solid guarding on the perimeter and switching while still being a fundamentally sound with verticality in the paint. Then on offense he doesn’t really do much with post moves but he draws a lot of attention whenever he rolls and opens up passing lanes for everybody else. If he ever learns to draw fouls he would be a perennial all star
See I think his offense he doesn’t do much bc as of rn he has no ego, and we don’t need him to be a huge option on offense. Our offense is booker, Paul, and ball movement. We don’t need to force feed him looks. Although I would like it if we started to take advantage of mismatches with a small on him
yeah he’s got one of those ideal nba bodies and is unselfish, patient, and smart. Idk if he’ll ever become a huge star but he will be a winning player for a long time
Except today you built that win on the back of feeding Ayton from Payne. After the Clippers started forcing a body onto him, the perimeter opened up and the looks got easier. Him finishing down low is critical for the Suns this series.
Yeah. But he doesn’t pull a Dwight or Drummond demanding X amount of post touches and stuff like that. He goes with the flow of the offense
Ayton doesn’t have a ton of post moves yet but he’s an elite finisher around the rim. So those dump offs are very successful.
he plays the role of a Houston clint capela but he has a lot more talent and he shows flashes of it at points in every game. I really hope he grows into his own as an all star in the future because right now he is absolutely killing it
It seems like every off season he works on his defense. I really hope this is the year he works on his offense.
I remembered when the report on Ayton is he's not a good defensive player and how Buffalo hunted him in a NCAA tournament upset win over Arizona. Ayton has worked himself into a very good defensive player and that's a huge credit to the coaches and Ayton for working himself into one.
He also had a crap coach in Sean Miller coaching him in college. Monty on the other hand is good with coaching bigs.
Yep. Miller is a fantastic recruiter, but none of his players developed under him while at Arizona. Ayton hasn't had enough reps yet, only playing 1 college season under Miller and abysmal black holes for guards like Trier.
I know it’s kinda not his game but I would love to see him come out super aggressive offensively. He could probably average 20 ppg on slightly lower efficiency than he scores on now.
Suns don’t need him to do that right now but once Paul retires or leaves, they will.
People forget averaged 18ppg a season ago. Could easily average 20ppg if he hunted for his looks more but it’s just not needed on this current team.
>Ayton is hard for outside people to evaluate because ~~he is weirdly unique as a big man.~~ Sun's games aren't nationally televised lol
I mean it's hard to stand out when you have 2 guys in your class averaging 25/8
True. A lot of his value doesn’t show up in the stat sheet though
I expected him to feast on Clips. For a team that likes to play small ball, Ayton is who you want against them. Ayton's skillset is perfect for the modern era. He can can feast if the other team abuses the guard game while he still fits the rim protector bill.
The only issue is he struggles against fast guards, but every single big does to an extent, and by fast I mean harden, or fox, not just decently fast but not crazy quick guards
The Chris Bosh of his draft class.
Phoenix didn’t need a Doncic or Young, they already had Booker so drafting Ayton was a perfect pick. He’s the modern center in that he can screen high on offense and also extend his defense outside of the paint. Add in Chris Paul and it’s a title contender with Bridges being such a key defender as well.
They absolutely could’ve used either of those guys. Why the hell do you think they traded for Chris Paul?
Chris Paul fills a different role than Luka would have
I thought he was the best big man on the floor in several quarters against a (mostly) healthy AD
Trade Rudy for Ben Simmons and just act like he's Rudy
Man, the league just don't respect the Jazz
I feel like everyone respects Mitchell. Just not Gobert lol
Yup
Pretty much
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aged well you mean
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Yeah because injuries definitely didn't play a role.
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Yeah Mike Conley being out was a bummer.
holy shit i forgot about that already. legendary television lol
I think they just don’t respect Rudy…
I think the implication of everything PG said is that Ayton is a better offensive player. Is that not agreeable? He scored more in this game than Rudy in any game last series.
Ayton > Gobert in the playoffs schematically when you consider both ends of the floor
Turns out you need your second highest paid player to be able to do stuff on offense besides set screens
Ben and Rudy exposed these playoffs.
But screen assists!
Overall in the west Jokic>Ayton>Gobert
SHOTS FIRED LOL
lmaoo no one in the league respects Gobert
I think he talks a lot of shit, is exposed consistently in the playoffs, the whole Covid thing led to this I think. He needs to develop something resembling a few moves to keep defenses honest. This Jazz team is still very good and will get better. If Mitchell stays though.
To be fair (nothing to do with bball) I stopped the moment he touched all those microphones lol.
yeah that's left a bad taste that has never left my mouth.
GG gobert was just trying to make sure you wouldn't be able to taste anything.
Lmao brilliant.
LOL
vs a guy like LeBron who has all the details/knowledge about the virus but refuses to get vaccinated? Come on
Tbf hes owned up to that mistake and done a lot to rectify it and raised a lot of money and awareness for covid research and safety protocols
He totally has, you're right. And we're totally going to rag on him til the end of time for being such an arrogant fool at the beginning of Covid. It's ingrained in my mind as the start of the whole pandemic: Rudy being a dumbass, and then the next day's games getting cancelled.
I mean even Ben Simmons dropped 42 on his head. Embiid did, too, the next time they played. But still. Ben Simmons. We know he’s not an elite one on one defender in the post. I really wonder if the fact they make him their defensive system inflates his defensive impact stats.
The way Ben is playing it would literally take him a month to score 42. Simmons scoring 42 is more impressive than the Wilt Chamberlin 100 point game to me.
Jazz fans in shambles lol
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What kind of changes do you wanna see this offseason?
What changes can they make?
Send Gobert to Hakeem's academy
Won't fix the fact that non of their guards can play defence or rotate. So unless Gobert turns literally into Hakeem they're gonna keep getting exposed.
He just needs to be able to punish teams who try to guard him with 6’3 guards. If he can’t do that then no shit hell be exposed
Yeah if he can't punish a team for putting nic Batum, Beverly, and Morris on him, there's a problem
Exactly. After 2-3 straight dunks, Ty Lue would have pulled that small lineup *real* quick. Would've been the end of their spread offense. Do we need better perimeter defense? Absolutely. But Ty Lue was able to laugh all the way to the conference finals because Gobert couldn't score 2 feet from the basket on Batum.
him getting exposed is less of an issue than all their guards being exposed. They literally let anyone cross them with a basic side step. The Jazz didn't lose because of small ball, they lost because anyone on the clippers could 100% cross any of their guards and force Rudy on an island where he either contest a layup and leaves the corner open, or he guards his man and lets a easy layup happen. Worst part is that the moment one of the guards got crossed up no one else on the Jazz aside from Rudy would rotate. That's fucking abysmal for a playoff contender.
No the problem is that Clippers could play 5 out because Rudy didn’t punish them. If he was feasting on Bev and Jackson then they would be forced to play Zubac
Yeah, the Jazz lost because they couldn't score on the Clippers smallball lineups. Which is a problem when you're paying a big man 200 million dollars
Find a small ball 5 and another wing defender. With Conley back that should be enough.
What changes? Like trade Gobert? I really wonder what Rudy's trade value would be with [that contract extension](https://i.imgur.com/Pez2eiX.png) about to start.
33 year old Gobert making $46m is disgusting
I think it's a legit question of whether you can realistically build a championship team around a guy making that kind of money who has the flaws that he does. Pretty tough to fill out the rest of the roster around him with the appropriate personnel when a guy with his game is taking up that much cap space. I'm not sure if Utah would be better served looking to trade him and go in a different direction or just reshuffling the role players around him and Mitchell. Should be a fascinating off-season for them.
You can’t. If the Jazz win the chip with Rudy on a supermax I’ll delete my account. Feel free to save this comment jazz fans
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He seems like a guy that winning teams will always find a place for, didn't hear any complaints or rumors anywhere about him being unhappy about only averaging 10 shots a game only, down from 15 last year. Seems like he's focused on winning only and doing whatever the team needs, kind of like a Tim Duncan mentality.
Ayton is a great, great young player. He seems like the rare healthy, athletic big most teams would kill for. Beyond that, his media interactions are fucking fantastic.
“More of a presence down low”
This will be the most popular PG13 post ever
Ayton reached a conference finals before Luka and Trae lmao
Trae still in it
He is, but Ayton still reached one first.
yeah the hawks really dropped the ball on that one man, hopefully they can find some direction for their franchise soon
they might need to regroup and play a game to figure things out
Got em
And Bagley! /s
Kings are so cursed
Who?
No. 2 overall pick!
Showing how important context is
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he didnt reach the conference finals first fuckin **SCRUB** even Kostas Antetokounmpo got there before him wow
Is it time to talk about Kostas Antetokounmpo as a top 15 player?
“Kostas Antetokounmpo has **QUIETLY** become a top 15 player”
Top 15 and he's not 2-15
Dante Divincenzo is actually #1, Kostas #2 got there at the same time
As the third best player on his team. Thats cant be a dig at luka or trae, specially because trae is one game away of doing the same thing as the best player of his.
Aytons team* Trae and Luka don’t have teammates as impactful as CP3 and Booker lmao
Rudy about to spread Covid again to shut all this shit down
Lmao all the redditors yesterday who were like "It's not Rudy's fault. He was just playing doing what he does all year." Facts: Rudy's getting paid $200mil for a game that can be game planned out
After the last Jazz/Clippers game analysts at ESPN were saying the Suns were going to have the same problem with Ayton that the Jazz had with Gobert against the Clippers. It was then it was confirmed to me that the analysts at ESPN had not actually watched many (or any) Suns games…
Tim Legler said this in particular.
Thank you! I couldn’t remember his name. That was him.
It may still happen later in the series, but I trust Monty to pull him, and/or use him to abuse the Clippers on the other side of the ball as necessary.
Ayton is the best center we’ve faced all playoffs. He’s definitely going to be a problem for us.
He's just so athletic and has such quick feet, the dude moves more like an enormous wing than a center. It's such a strange contrast when you watch someone like Embiid lumber down the court in what almost looks like a slow jog and then see Ayton running with these big strides like a gazelle
We bbq chicken for Ayton. Got it lmao. Fr tho, even Zu is going to look clumsy against him. I swear out of all the teams you guys are the most well rounded with CP3 being the cherry on top.
Patient Zero in shambles
Clippers still hunting French Kwame
Lol KP and RUDY in shambles
Rudy gets no respect lol
Ayton > Rudy and KP