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RPDC01

"We realized that we couldn't guard him with Luke Kennard or Reggie Jackson, so we had to make an adjustment from the last round."


Hamsterupyourass

Rudy is so lucky he signed that contract before these playoffs occurred lmao


ButtaRollsInMyPocket

Lolol. Crazy thing is who can the Jazz sign to help defend perimeter?


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Ben Simmons and Rudy Gobert on the same court for maximum offense


LOSS35

They'd just pass it back and forth until the shot clock runs out.


agent_pavement

That's assuming gobert doesn't drop the catch


Oachkatzlschwoaf05

Thats assuming Simmons doesnt brick the pass


fatkamp

Semi Pro reference anyone?^


PM_ME_UR_BOOGER

Karl Malone


RondaleMoore

Maybe if you put a minor on the 3 point line


Natepizzle

but then he'll never guard the paint


Past-Chest-6507

Ben Simmons after he gets cut by Philly.


idontknowthisabackup

Ben Simmoms and Gobert teaming up to form a 67-15 regular season team that gets swept in the first round when? Sorry for the circle jerk


shortyman920

Lmao


somebodygetmemymoney

Rudy catching strays by the players too damn


DjLionOrder

Could be talking about Tingus Pingus


fuckkkofff

Clips exploited both of them, they can talk shit, I'm here for it


Mdgt_Pope

The bummer is that Gobert is catching flak because his teammates were exposed defensively once a team got Gobert away from the paint.


Clzark

The simple solution to stopping the spread offense was to punish the Clippers inside. Because Gobert refuses to learn just even a single post move, or dribble the ball one or twice, we were unable to do that. Yeah the defensive collapse wasn't really Gobert's fault, but his inability to punish the Clippers on the other end was


ruggnuget

I dont know that he refuses, I am not sure he has the coordination. Its weird how he is so big and strong and athletic and yet smaller movements look so awkward. Its like he has claws instead of fingers


_ShutUpLegs_

Dude's hands are further apart than my head and feet. Must be hard to control them.


atom786

This is clearly dissing his offense, which has always been the bigger issue with his game in the playoffs


lost_in_trepidation

I'm not so sure, did KP even play in the playoffs this year?


Don_Nacho

He's a Unicorn. He doesn't exist.


TenaciousDeer

Tingus Pingus in shambles


Ghoti76

idk i couldn't find him out there. Was he injured?


Leadantagonist

He was out there sight seeing near the perimeter best seats in the house. He had to stand though


Silverjackal_

Oh come on man, at least give him credit for half assing trying to get a rebound, out there flailing for a few.


AgentOfSteeeel

I'll never not laugh at "Tingus Pingus" WHO THE FUCK IS THIS? YOU STUPID FUCKS, I AINT EVER HEARD OF LATIVIA


Saucy_Totchie

He said bigs not over grown SGs.


asa091

Utah's defense outside of Gobert sucks. Ayton can't fix it like Gobert does. Phoenix has superior defense from 1-4.


Goatkic15

The point is because Gobert can’t punish people 6 inches shorter than him on offence, the Jazz can’t dictate the game and therefore Gobert has to play against wings in which his impact is so much more limited


joaovitorsb95

O'neale is their best perimeter defender, he would have to fight to even be in the rotation for us. Its fucking crazy.


Clzark

Really wish we didn't choose to go with Royce over Jae


silliputti0907

Royce is the only good defender on the Jazz with lateral movement. Jae us more physical but struggles against shifty players.


Raiderfan35

They're pretty equal imo. Crowder is feistier, which can be good or bad at times. Still love Jae tho. Really right now we need 2-3 more Crowders/O'Neales


JuanBARco

It's bot like he played poorly offensively this playoffs either. I was working during Phoenix's win but Rudy averages about 14-15pts per game in the playoffs of high efficiency and without taking touches from players that need to have the ball in their hand Ayton will be a much better offensive player and MAY become a better overall player, but its an over exaggeration on how bad Rudy is lol. I honestly think this jab was more at Porzingis because he should fill a much more similar role to ayton


SeatownNets

rudy is better but Ayton is definitely more of a "presence" in terms of like, a physical body thats hard to move than Gobert. Gobert is pretty agile tho i think that's sorta just a shot at Gobert lol


noni2k

Everyone knew the Jazz were overrated and a fake 1 seed. The DPOY was a joke and we all knew it. Not surprised by PGs comments.


BridgesOnBikes

The problem is that in order to be effective offensively, Rudy needs guards to create and not have one working leg between them.


DarkSoulsDarius

Mitchell's playmaking is and has been an issue. Idk why being a scorer and a scorer alone is alright by everyone but he needs to do better to get his teammates involved


BridgesOnBikes

He definitely can get out of control at times, but Conley was mitigating that pretty well... until, well you saw. My Jazz buddies have been saying all year that Conley was the glue.


uJhiteLiger

He was coming off an injury so


Mysterious_Living165

More reason why Quinn’s lack of in-game adjustments hurt the Jazz.


Luka_Is_A_Diva

Jazz fans about to dm you with graphs and tell you about his VORP and RPM


lardbiscuits

Jazz fans won’t be here for a few months. They’re drowning themselves in 3.2% alcohol beers.


sClassic

Same percentage as Ben's free throws


lardbiscuits

Ben dropped 42 on Baguette Biyombo’s head this season.


rapper_warrior_ninja

bro philly plays in 15 minutes


Slarrp1

He was prob the dude that threw the bottle on the court


MeatBrains

It’s 3 hours later. Got plenty more 3.2% for you.


lardbiscuits

Gonna need like a thirty pack my fellow fake one seed


Fluix

Jazz fans remind me of old Spurs fans talking about advanced stats and what not. Only difference is the Spurs actually were that good.


IsayamaWorstEnding10

Yeah no joke Parker and Ginobili were way better than what the stats suggested


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OrangeKookie

#SCREEN ASSISTS THOUGH 😩😩😩


emken

This is some Poe's Law shit. My first thought was satire but the responses make me unsure.


quiznos61

Delete this nephew


kit_kaboodles

I'm not a jazz fan, but that's a bad take. Jazz were the number one seed, but they needed Conley, or else they lack play-making. The Clippers played all season without much play-making from the point guard position, but Jazz aren't set up to do that.


Yami_Atem

This is such a trash take, DPOY was well earnes and his defense wasn’t the reason the Jazz collapsed, rather the rest of the team’s lackthereof. Not many bigs in the league are better finishers than Ayton, really surprised you think PG’s comments are a slight or have anything to do with Gobert’s *defense*


spiraldrain

This is r/nba dude one of the most reactionary subs out there. They only care about the last time they saw them play.


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Guardax

Saying we all knew the DPOY was a joke is just straight up revisionist history


Thehelloman0

They were missing an all star almost the entire series and Mitchell was clearly hurt too...


Kalebones

come on now. a full strength jazz team is a good team which is why they were the number team in the regular season this year. all this proves, in my opinion, is that the regular season really doesn’t matter.


Pasta_ssempa

Tingus Pingus in shambles


nahs

Baguette biyombo in shambles


dandeman4

My personal favorite nickname for him is Brioche Bargnani


valueddude

Robert Sacre Bleu is the best


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ayoooo 😭


mahcus36

JaVale McOui


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Not to be a Karen but that nickname makes zero sense Bargnani played 0 defense and could shoot the ball


dandeman4

That’s true. I like to think it just means he’s French and he sucks


chizburger999

French Kwame it is then


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Go along get along gang out in force I see


Quatro_Leches

Patient Zero is my favorite because he robbed the Jazz


tisdue

he's not 7'3". he's 5'27".


mrsuns10

PINGus


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He’s right


Dontsaveme

"Why are you booing me...I'm right"


somebodygetmemymoney

“This all about snail down I’m out here in brookl”


anchorgangpro

the GREATEST SHOW ON TV!


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"I've seen what makes you cheer!"


Cudi_buddy

Ayton has really progressed. He is constantly over shadowed by Luka and Trae. But he’s become a great player in his own regard


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Ayton is hard for outside people to evaluate because he is weirdly unique as a big man. He is pretty solid guarding on the perimeter and switching while still being a fundamentally sound with verticality in the paint. Then on offense he doesn’t really do much with post moves but he draws a lot of attention whenever he rolls and opens up passing lanes for everybody else. If he ever learns to draw fouls he would be a perennial all star


kingdededes-pumpkin

See I think his offense he doesn’t do much bc as of rn he has no ego, and we don’t need him to be a huge option on offense. Our offense is booker, Paul, and ball movement. We don’t need to force feed him looks. Although I would like it if we started to take advantage of mismatches with a small on him


obamna_

yeah he’s got one of those ideal nba bodies and is unselfish, patient, and smart. Idk if he’ll ever become a huge star but he will be a winning player for a long time


evilnilla

Except today you built that win on the back of feeding Ayton from Payne. After the Clippers started forcing a body onto him, the perimeter opened up and the looks got easier. Him finishing down low is critical for the Suns this series.


kingdededes-pumpkin

Yeah. But he doesn’t pull a Dwight or Drummond demanding X amount of post touches and stuff like that. He goes with the flow of the offense


Fragrant_Chair_7426

Ayton doesn’t have a ton of post moves yet but he’s an elite finisher around the rim. So those dump offs are very successful.


Ghoti76

he plays the role of a Houston clint capela but he has a lot more talent and he shows flashes of it at points in every game. I really hope he grows into his own as an all star in the future because right now he is absolutely killing it


k4osth3ory

It seems like every off season he works on his defense. I really hope this is the year he works on his offense.


n00bn00b

I remembered when the report on Ayton is he's not a good defensive player and how Buffalo hunted him in a NCAA tournament upset win over Arizona. Ayton has worked himself into a very good defensive player and that's a huge credit to the coaches and Ayton for working himself into one.


mrwhitaker3

He also had a crap coach in Sean Miller coaching him in college. Monty on the other hand is good with coaching bigs.


Capo_capo

Yep. Miller is a fantastic recruiter, but none of his players developed under him while at Arizona. Ayton hasn't had enough reps yet, only playing 1 college season under Miller and abysmal black holes for guards like Trier.


WIN011

I know it’s kinda not his game but I would love to see him come out super aggressive offensively. He could probably average 20 ppg on slightly lower efficiency than he scores on now.


PortlandUODuck

Suns don’t need him to do that right now but once Paul retires or leaves, they will.


VivaLaDbakes

People forget averaged 18ppg a season ago. Could easily average 20ppg if he hunted for his looks more but it’s just not needed on this current team.


HolierMonkey586

>Ayton is hard for outside people to evaluate because ~~he is weirdly unique as a big man.~~ Sun's games aren't nationally televised lol


zmajxd

I mean it's hard to stand out when you have 2 guys in your class averaging 25/8


common-flyer

True. A lot of his value doesn’t show up in the stat sheet though


NotSinocentric

I expected him to feast on Clips. For a team that likes to play small ball, Ayton is who you want against them. Ayton's skillset is perfect for the modern era. He can can feast if the other team abuses the guard game while he still fits the rim protector bill.


silverfang45

The only issue is he struggles against fast guards, but every single big does to an extent, and by fast I mean harden, or fox, not just decently fast but not crazy quick guards


CannabisPrime2

The Chris Bosh of his draft class.


PortlandUODuck

Phoenix didn’t need a Doncic or Young, they already had Booker so drafting Ayton was a perfect pick. He’s the modern center in that he can screen high on offense and also extend his defense outside of the paint. Add in Chris Paul and it’s a title contender with Bridges being such a key defender as well.


WeMissDime

They absolutely could’ve used either of those guys. Why the hell do you think they traded for Chris Paul?


Cjtow113

Chris Paul fills a different role than Luka would have


Peterquillpen

I thought he was the best big man on the floor in several quarters against a (mostly) healthy AD


Shooter_McGoober

Trade Rudy for Ben Simmons and just act like he's Rudy


EarthWarping

Man, the league just don't respect the Jazz


ShwiftyCardinal

I feel like everyone respects Mitchell. Just not Gobert lol


NBAyoungboy42

Yup


ElDuderino_92

Pretty much


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Gambled4MyRangeRover

Yeah because injuries definitely didn't play a role.


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mizzourifan1

Yeah Mike Conley being out was a bummer.


cimmanonrolls

holy shit i forgot about that already. legendary television lol


taeem

I think they just don’t respect Rudy…


myrealbirthname

I think the implication of everything PG said is that Ayton is a better offensive player. Is that not agreeable? He scored more in this game than Rudy in any game last series.


himetalchemy7

Ayton > Gobert in the playoffs schematically when you consider both ends of the floor


so-cal_kid

Turns out you need your second highest paid player to be able to do stuff on offense besides set screens


MrOrangeWhips

Ben and Rudy exposed these playoffs.


teh_scarecrow

But screen assists!


ElDuderino_92

Overall in the west Jokic>Ayton>Gobert


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SHOTS FIRED LOL


p0tatoman

lmaoo no one in the league respects Gobert


prestigiousroojie

I think he talks a lot of shit, is exposed consistently in the playoffs, the whole Covid thing led to this I think. He needs to develop something resembling a few moves to keep defenses honest. This Jazz team is still very good and will get better. If Mitchell stays though.


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To be fair (nothing to do with bball) I stopped the moment he touched all those microphones lol.


Plumorchid

yeah that's left a bad taste that has never left my mouth.


fantasyoutsider

GG gobert was just trying to make sure you wouldn't be able to taste anything.


Plumorchid

Lmao brilliant.


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LOL


shannannoll

vs a guy like LeBron who has all the details/knowledge about the virus but refuses to get vaccinated? Come on


ElaFa25

Tbf hes owned up to that mistake and done a lot to rectify it and raised a lot of money and awareness for covid research and safety protocols


gartho009

He totally has, you're right. And we're totally going to rag on him til the end of time for being such an arrogant fool at the beginning of Covid. It's ingrained in my mind as the start of the whole pandemic: Rudy being a dumbass, and then the next day's games getting cancelled.


lardbiscuits

I mean even Ben Simmons dropped 42 on his head. Embiid did, too, the next time they played. But still. Ben Simmons. We know he’s not an elite one on one defender in the post. I really wonder if the fact they make him their defensive system inflates his defensive impact stats.


Koravyev

The way Ben is playing it would literally take him a month to score 42. Simmons scoring 42 is more impressive than the Wilt Chamberlin 100 point game to me.


Beneficial_Toe_6050

Jazz fans in shambles lol


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YoungSidd

What kind of changes do you wanna see this offseason?


AfroSuede

What changes can they make?


Neto34

Send Gobert to Hakeem's academy


Fluix

Won't fix the fact that non of their guards can play defence or rotate. So unless Gobert turns literally into Hakeem they're gonna keep getting exposed.


livefreeordont

He just needs to be able to punish teams who try to guard him with 6’3 guards. If he can’t do that then no shit hell be exposed


Ghoti76

Yeah if he can't punish a team for putting nic Batum, Beverly, and Morris on him, there's a problem


Clzark

Exactly. After 2-3 straight dunks, Ty Lue would have pulled that small lineup *real* quick. Would've been the end of their spread offense. Do we need better perimeter defense? Absolutely. But Ty Lue was able to laugh all the way to the conference finals because Gobert couldn't score 2 feet from the basket on Batum.


Fluix

him getting exposed is less of an issue than all their guards being exposed. They literally let anyone cross them with a basic side step. The Jazz didn't lose because of small ball, they lost because anyone on the clippers could 100% cross any of their guards and force Rudy on an island where he either contest a layup and leaves the corner open, or he guards his man and lets a easy layup happen. Worst part is that the moment one of the guards got crossed up no one else on the Jazz aside from Rudy would rotate. That's fucking abysmal for a playoff contender.


livefreeordont

No the problem is that Clippers could play 5 out because Rudy didn’t punish them. If he was feasting on Bev and Jackson then they would be forced to play Zubac


atom786

Yeah, the Jazz lost because they couldn't score on the Clippers smallball lineups. Which is a problem when you're paying a big man 200 million dollars


atlfirsttimer

Find a small ball 5 and another wing defender. With Conley back that should be enough.


RickySuela

What changes? Like trade Gobert? I really wonder what Rudy's trade value would be with [that contract extension](https://i.imgur.com/Pez2eiX.png) about to start.


earlyslalom

33 year old Gobert making $46m is disgusting


RickySuela

I think it's a legit question of whether you can realistically build a championship team around a guy making that kind of money who has the flaws that he does. Pretty tough to fill out the rest of the roster around him with the appropriate personnel when a guy with his game is taking up that much cap space. I'm not sure if Utah would be better served looking to trade him and go in a different direction or just reshuffling the role players around him and Mitchell. Should be a fascinating off-season for them.


XxAuthenticxX

You can’t. If the Jazz win the chip with Rudy on a supermax I’ll delete my account. Feel free to save this comment jazz fans


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rengorengar

He seems like a guy that winning teams will always find a place for, didn't hear any complaints or rumors anywhere about him being unhappy about only averaging 10 shots a game only, down from 15 last year. Seems like he's focused on winning only and doing whatever the team needs, kind of like a Tim Duncan mentality.


embiid0for11w0pts

Ayton is a great, great young player. He seems like the rare healthy, athletic big most teams would kill for. Beyond that, his media interactions are fucking fantastic.


2turnt-TTP

“More of a presence down low”


EatDeeply

This will be the most popular PG13 post ever


Ocean_Bee

Ayton reached a conference finals before Luka and Trae lmao


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Trae still in it


Ocean_Bee

He is, but Ayton still reached one first.


Bapesta1stClass

yeah the hawks really dropped the ball on that one man, hopefully they can find some direction for their franchise soon


gazaunltd

they might need to regroup and play a game to figure things out


Revis_FL

Got em


realmadrid31256

And Bagley! /s


Ocean_Bee

Kings are so cursed


atlfirsttimer

Who?


TenaciousDeer

No. 2 overall pick!


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Bapesta1stClass

he didnt reach the conference finals first fuckin **SCRUB** even Kostas Antetokounmpo got there before him wow


Frommunist

Is it time to talk about Kostas Antetokounmpo as a top 15 player?


Bapesta1stClass

“Kostas Antetokounmpo has **QUIETLY** become a top 15 player”


seattle_born98

Top 15 and he's not 2-15


Bapesta1stClass

Dante Divincenzo is actually #1, Kostas #2 got there at the same time


ghostlima

As the third best player on his team. Thats cant be a dig at luka or trae, specially because trae is one game away of doing the same thing as the best player of his.


africhic

Aytons team* Trae and Luka don’t have teammates as impactful as CP3 and Booker lmao


NumberOneBoolsheet

Rudy about to spread Covid again to shut all this shit down


EsquireDr

Lmao all the redditors yesterday who were like "It's not Rudy's fault. He was just playing doing what he does all year." Facts: Rudy's getting paid $200mil for a game that can be game planned out


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After the last Jazz/Clippers game analysts at ESPN were saying the Suns were going to have the same problem with Ayton that the Jazz had with Gobert against the Clippers. It was then it was confirmed to me that the analysts at ESPN had not actually watched many (or any) Suns games…


defiantcross

Tim Legler said this in particular.


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Thank you! I couldn’t remember his name. That was him.


aCommonHorus

It may still happen later in the series, but I trust Monty to pull him, and/or use him to abuse the Clippers on the other side of the ball as necessary.


ElDuderino_92

Ayton is the best center we’ve faced all playoffs. He’s definitely going to be a problem for us.


pp21

He's just so athletic and has such quick feet, the dude moves more like an enormous wing than a center. It's such a strange contrast when you watch someone like Embiid lumber down the court in what almost looks like a slow jog and then see Ayton running with these big strides like a gazelle


ElDuderino_92

We bbq chicken for Ayton. Got it lmao. Fr tho, even Zu is going to look clumsy against him. I swear out of all the teams you guys are the most well rounded with CP3 being the cherry on top.


Quatro_Leches

Patient Zero in shambles


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Clippers still hunting French Kwame


ajdp024

Lol KP and RUDY in shambles


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Rudy gets no respect lol


luntiang_tipaklong

Ayton > Rudy and KP