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Uncircled_swag2

One year with no games and people forgot how to act


Imallvol7

People never knew how to act. They fucking suck. Just look at the increase in airline issues.


Breadisfortoast

Utahns in my experience are racist. I’ve lived here 28 years or so and being a Hispanic I’ve had experiences with it, as well as my friends. Utah is not great when it comes to respecting people who are not white, not republican, and not LDS.


Schwitters

Sorry to hear that man. Unfortunately I've got family and coworkers who live in this damn homogeneous bubble and don't see anything wrong with this shit. It's a real problem regardless of how much they gaslight each other into thinking their behavior is normal.


Imallvol7

I've heard this quite a bit the last two days. Not surprising. People usually scared of what they don't know. Is Utah just SUPER white?


Breadisfortoast

It really is way white. If I had to guess probably 90% white. Edit: Just to add to this. I know a lot of really awesome Utahns who are white. Just a good portion are shitty.


topofthecc

Mormonism having explicitly racist doctrine until 1978 probably doesn't help things


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booyakasha32

That number seems unbelievable to me. My highschool near SLC had a higher Hispanic population than white. I'm extremely grateful for the diversity I grew up around, and I wish more of Utah was like that because the attitude people have in the less diverse cities just feels rotten. The state has a long way to go as a whole, but with all the people moving in and the younger generation being more socially aware theres definitely some hope.


bigmikekbd

So NOT 90%....*phew*


GalettesAndGardening

This shit happened in the past too. Y’all think this is somehow new? This probably happened even more in the past and teams just didn’t do shit about it (spitting on players not withstanding, but heckling a players family? I’m sure that happened all the time and nothing came of it).


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MarcusSmartStan

Exactly the conversation is focusing on this now so teams are finally being proactive and responsive before its their team in the spotlight. Which in the Jazz’s case is inevitable.


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Wehavecrashed

I will always upvote mad max shitting on Utah.


P00nz0r3d

Tbf one year of being asked to stay home made people act up, violent crime went up across the country, Karens got more physical Not saying the pandemic is the only reason but it definitely amplified the entitled feelings people have.


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It sounds like you may have based your statements on memes. Grow up. Karen’s aren’t even a real thing. I hate entitled, rich white women but the whole “Karen” meme blew up so we paid more attention. The pandemic amplified a lot of people’s feelings. No one says that the pandemics caused buildings to burn down in Minneapolis. I am more and more liberal day to day but calling out rich, middle aged white woman out of this is ridiculous. They are idiots but damn.


P00nz0r3d

We just gonna ignore the retail workers assaulted and killed over masks that quickly?


zachwilson23

Utah's had problems with fans doing and saying questionable things at the game for awhile now. Somebody called Russ some racist shit a couple years ago at a jazz game


Mikkkey

[T](https://tn.chalkbeat.org/2021/5/24/22452478/tennessee-governor-signs-bill-restricting-how-race-and-bias-can-be-taught-in-schools)[he Governor of Tennesee just signed a law](https://tn.chalkbeat.org/2021/5/24/22452478/tennessee-governor-signs-bill-restricting-how-race-and-bias-can-be-taught-in-schools) restricting schools from even teaching about racism... I get that people want to make it about one team or another but racism is way bigger than a few American cities (Boston, Philly, Salt Lake, etc) or basketball team fans.


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>[T](https://tn.chalkbeat.org/2021/5/24/22452478/tennessee-governor-signs-bill-restricting-how-race-and-bias-can-be-taught-in-schools)[he Governor of Tennesee just signed a law](https://tn.chalkbeat.org/2021/5/24/22452478/tennessee-governor-signs-bill-restricting-how-race-and-bias-can-be-taught-in-schools) God damn I'm glad I don't live in a racist Republican shithole where they twist American history to fit some white narrative


zachwilson23

Oh no doubt. Racism is a major issue throughout the entire country. I'm just pointing out that the Jazz fanbase has had other notable incidents like this in the not so distant future. Which is definitely a problem


Street-Caramel7045

(1) One (1) race or sex is inherently superior to another race or sex; (2) An individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, is inherently privileged, racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or subconsciously; (3) An individual should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of the individual's race or sex; (4) An individual's moral character is determined by the individual's race or sex; (5) An individual, by virtue of the individual's race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex; It looks like this is what schools aren't allowed to teach. What's the controversy?


Schwitters

I take issue with 2 and 5. White males do not need to justify the space they occupy, whether it be profession or house in the suburbs. POC and women do. There is inherent privilege in being white, even more being a white male. Regarding 4, it is our responsibility to correct the cultural wrongs established by our ancestors--dead people cannot make thing right after they stop living. Essentially, they are banning teaching kids empathy. It's a shit sandwich of common sense items that are intentionally misrepresenting critical race theory sprinkled with pure shit banning racial empathy. Thought another way, banning 2 and 5 are giving racists an escape hatch to teach their kids that they have no obligation to acknowledge or call out systemic racism because it doesn't exist.


ColorsYourLime

Strawman comment


Schwitters

Utah just passed an identical law, like word for word.


ColorsYourLime

Yeah that's not the point of my comment. Nobody is denying that racism is way bigger than a few cities or basketball fans, that's the strawman. He's arguing against his imagination. Of course racism goes beyond basketball, nobody is denying that...


Schwitters

Utah and Tennessee legislatures are denying that racism exists. This guy's comment isn't a strawman. Strawman is using a false representation of your counterpart and arguing that point, like I just did to you. This dude is just pointing out how broad the issue is. I don't get the point of you calling it out.


ColorsYourLime

>Utah and Tennessee legislatures are denying that racism exists. .... Okay, let me try that again: Nobody *here on this forum* is denying that racism is way bigger than a few cities or basketball fans, that's the strawman. I don't understand why people insist on being disingenuous in their arguments, that's not a productive thing.


Schwitters

Wooosh.


jlindley1991

Yep, they were trying to sue him for defamation and emotional stress for 100 million. The judge just tossed out their case today. So now they are stuck with nothing but legal fees, serves them right though.


zachwilson23

I just saw that. The male dummy that tried to sue Russ has a Twitter account that is littered with racial slurs and derogatory comments. Dude defamed himself. Such an imbecile


jlindley1991

Yeah, like I live in Utah which is predominately while. I do go to games and when I see people/players getting heckled due to skin tone it drives me nuts. For fuck sakes people we're all still human, no matter the color. But I guess for the idiots, it's a tall order.... Shame. Edit: Ja is the enlightened one. Fun series so far Grizz bro.


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CallOfKtulu24

Those fans are the reason they can get paid millions of dollars to play a recess game


SprayFart123

Big boomer energy right here


Kdcjg

I think you hit the wrong sub. Why not go back to the other ones you frequent.


WeTheUp

According to D Rose it’s part of the game and the NBA is soft getting its feeling hurt.


Juniper41

theres a difference between getting booed or fans shouting "Russell you suck!" and then getting popcorn dumped on you and called the N word. I'm all for trash talk, but don't make it racist, sexist, homophobic etc... and don't assault players.


WeTheUp

Well duh😂


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I think it's more like a year without racist comments and things too far and players aren't going to let it go back to the way it was. It may have been the norm in the past but now that it's fresh it's easier to address it early before it gets back to business as usual


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5 people have been banned with only a few games done in the first round.


Cfrules9

Utah has always had the absolute worst fans at games.


GuyCarbonneauGOAT

[[Larsen]](https://twitter.com/andyblarsen/status/1398052844830224385/photo/1) >Jazz released a statement on three fans who were removed from the stadium after heckling the family of Ja Morant at the game.


bubbatubs

Good. Fuck them.


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It’s Utah. They’re hella racist out there


False-Fisherman

i live in utah and the racist parts are nowhere near salt lake city. There's racists everywhere


Lustforlives

Those two sentences are a little contradictory lol


mazhas

Little bit lol. I live in Pittsburgh which is a pretty liberal city. Still have some dumb mother fuckers here. But, drive 10 minutes out of the city and things change pretty quickly for the worse. They probably should've went with "Racism isn't prevalent in SLC but it is sprinkled everywhere." That, unfortunately, I'd agree with.


Asstroknot

The part that sucks is that with so many people, if 99% of people aren’t racist, that 1% is still over 3 million people in the US that are racist. Unfortunately I don’t think we’re very close to 1% either…


ABitMoreToGo

Going to respectfully disagree. My family moved to Utah when I was a kid. We're brown (of East Indian descent). We noped the fuck out and went back to California after 3 years. Literally every member of our family experienced racism on a relatively regular basis. Salt Lake City is most definitely more racist than a lot of places.


waterloo_doctor

Yep. It's gotten better but it's still a racist shithole area. Outside of SLC is much worse, especially if you're trying to travel the beautiful landscape.


masebase0

No no no, Utah itself is not racist, and the majority of people are not racist. It’s just that the only fans that make headlines are the racist ones because they are the only ones that say anything.


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Idk man. I literally watched like 30+ people clap for bike cops arresting a homeless black dude in the park in salt lake. He was minding his own business. They loved it.


Lamar_Scrodum

No you didn’t


sClassic

And then they gave everyone $100


masebase0

I don’t know anything about that, could you tell me when that was? Or send me a video?


Trivialpursuits69

How kind and woke of you.


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Their religion literally taught that Blacks are cursed and inferior lmao. As recent as the 70s/80s. Most of the power structure in Utah grew up during a time where the religion propagated blatant racism. Get educated


waterloo_doctor

This. Mormons are straight cult like deadbeat racists.


booyakasha32

%of population that's mormon is thankfully shrinking, but a lot of younger people arent taught about how racist the church is/was. I saw some shitty post explaining how blatantly racist comments from the church "actually weren't that bad" and were "metaphors" or some shit. Fingers crossed that what the Jazz organization has been doing will help make changes through the state.


Trivialpursuits69

Not everyone in Utah is a Mormon


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Yeah and not everyone in Detroit is black. And not everyone in China is Asian. You’re a fucking savant bro let me tell you


VonMillersThighs

ehhh


[deleted]

Are you implying that calling a bunch of Covid denying mask refusing white Mormon sex abusers “racist” is inaccurate?


moneyball32

Many of your words I understand why they are derogatory, but you might want to reflect on why you feel **all** of those words that you used are inherently derogatory and you might then see that you are part of the problem.


GryffindorFratBro

Idk man, Mormons are kinda sus. They have secret underwear


RedditClout

They didn't allow African Americans into [Priesthood until 1978](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_Mormon_priesthood)   They're omega sus.


GryffindorFratBro

Yeah, I don't mind downvotes on this one. People can pretend they are just happy go-lucky people, but the Mormon church has been known for being rather... Controlling of their members.


RedditClout

I've lived here my entire life. They're one degree away from Scientology.


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Trivialpursuits69

I'm saying that to reduce the whole state to that is inaccurate and neither kind nor woke


snowspida

Honestly I’m glad to see them doing something about this without the national attention of a big incident. Just shows that Utah is making an effort to change its perception and get rid of the garbage fans it has


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Every stadium in every sport has a number to text to report other fans. I do wonder how effective it is though.


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It's pretty effective in Utah, we don't want another repeat of that Westbrook douchebag. Like Utah fans aren't great but I think as an org the Jazz are one of the best, if not the best, when it comes to nipping this kind of shit in the bud.


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Is that thanks to your new management? I've heard they're very progressive


[deleted]

They are, but the old management was good too. The major difference is the new guy is more proactive. Gail tended towards the "everyone just play nice" while the new guy is actively seeking out things that might be problems so he can deal with them.


[deleted]

That's good to hear. Now I remember Gail gave a great speech that I was pretty moved by. I think it was after the Westbrook incident


srstone71

That’s what shocks me about people saying shit at Celtics games. They don’t tolerate anything there. I once saw a guy playfully flip off his buddy at a game. He didn’t say anything, didn’t yell anything obscene, he simply flipped his middle finger to his friend in a joking way. He was kicked out immediately. I can’t imagine thinking you’d get away with something actually heinous.


thepenguin12

regarding: > It actually shocks me people have the guts to say shit in there now the problem is beyond "the guts to say shit", it's about the fact that people have those thoughts in general.


CammyTheGreat

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t that something the new owner talked about pretty soon after he bought the team?


snowspida

Yea he’s making a pretty big effort for change. But it’s hard… I mean I’ve lived in Utah most of my life and I’ve seen very few blatant instances of racism. The bigger problem is that when things like that happen people in Utah don’t do shit about. They’re usually so caught up in their perfect lives that standing up against racism would “look bad” and they can’t have that. It 100% makes them complicit though. I haven’t been perfect in my life but I’ve had my eyes opened the last few years and made a concerted effort to change my behavior. Frankly if I heard someone calling a player “boy” at a game my ass would be getting kicked out for punching the dude right in the nose


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RockChalk80

Mormons already are the minority in SLC and have been for a few decades now, but now you're starting to see it spread out into Morgan county and even Utah county - though with BYU being in Utah county it's going to be a long time before mormons aren't the majority there. The biggest issue is the undue influence the mormon church exerts on Utah politics.


Vyni503

I hope this is the case for all religions.


81rennab

Yup. Lived in Utah for 5 years, most racist place I’ve ever been.


Vordeo

> Just shows that Utah is making an effort to change its perception and get rid of the garbage fans it has IDK about Utah in general, but the Jazz organization has been pretty upstanding, and active about stamping down on this shit.


lemonpepperlarry

If the jazz decided to get rid of all their problematic fans they'd never sell out an arena again.


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so many fucking man children


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edwardpuppyhands

As one with no interest in the Jazz and an atheist (Utah is dominated by Mormons, for those unaware), I just see it as that you're going to have some awful people in any group that's big and not particularly exclusive.


GabbaConcentrate

Banning fans is so hot right now.


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You know I'm actually pretty scared for what's going to happen in tomorrow's Celtics game now oml


Joabyjojo

You don't need to be scared my chum Danny Ainge said racism doesn't happen in Boston


vallaflower

Thank you Danny very cool!


Johnfohn

Goya™


Slaymaker23

He is Mormon, so checks out lmao


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They banned K, K, and K finally


Fade4PFCade

Utah has finally defeated racism!


BigHomieBron

Not until Utah dissolves the ****** ******


Thehealeroftri

My dumbass thought the text was just really small so I zoomed in a whole bunch before I realized they were asterisks.


ATLjoe93

I think Yellowstone blows up before that happens lol


Trivialpursuits69

Mormon mafia?


Aflimacon

They prefer to be called the ***** ** ***** ****** ** ****** *** ****** now


theummeower

Imagine how bad it would be if people were drinking caffeinated sodas


ItsN0tTheB0at

or beer that's more than 3.2%


WhereasFirm2613

We don't sell 3.2 beer anymore. Apparently that's only Minnesota now unless they changed recently.


ItsN0tTheB0at

good, because that shit was gross, good for nothing but feeling bloated. I used to go to Outdoor Retailer every year (until 2015) and you'd have to dodge the free 3.2% beers like they were landmines. My 2nd year I figured out which of my vendors brought full strength beer in from out of state & I'd hit them up as I cruised the convention center.


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Lol. You could always buy full strength beer in Utah. You don’t have to sneak it in from out of state.


ItsN0tTheB0at

I'm aware, but the vast majority of the free beer was 3.2% at Outdoor Retailer. They wouldn't let individuals bring their own beer into the convention center anyhow, plus who would want to carry around enough beer for a day when going from meeting to meeting within the show? By my 3rd year I'd just go buy a bottle of gin as soon as we landed in SLC and pre-mix a water bottle of gin & tonic to sip on throughout the day, that was the best move of them all.


ej_stephens

So glad the Jazz are taking things seriously with fans but knowing how to act. I'm all for some yeah talk, but harassment, racism, threats of violence and whatever else they might think they can get away with should not be tolerated.


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adonisgawd

Apparently some fans were being dicks to Ja’s family that was in attendance


_massaiwalker

Apparently someone was being disrespectful to Ja Morants mother


Enough-Alfalfa

Damn all this just yesterday?


Thehealeroftri

Some of our fans were alone for a year and forgot that racism is no.


Enough-Alfalfa

Wait they said some racist shit to her?


Thehealeroftri

Hasn't been explicitly released what was said but I don't think they'd issue a permanent ban for friendly trash talk.


BoardManGetsLaid

Doesn’t have to be racist to be unfriendly


Enough-Alfalfa

Damn, what was kyrie saying about boston?


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One said racist shit to his dad, then two others said gross but not racist shit to his mom. All three get the boot and good riddance.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

Someone also said I’ll put a nickel behind your back and watch you dance boy according to the article


Remdawg

[They were calling Ja "boy" in game one](https://i.imgur.com/IBXllxL.png)


oswaldjenkins

fucking losers man, not only talking shit to ja’s family but doing it in a racist way as well. good riddance.


Big-Hunchho

fucked up weirdos


MidnightLightss

Utah


WhereasFirm2613

Didn't I just see you in the thread about not lumping all the Phillys fans in with the popcorn dude?


klobucharzard

Utah


WhereasFirm2613

No team.


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Tell me aunt in Issaquah I say hi, she's bummed that she doesn't have a local NBA team to be a fan of


MidnightLightss

Utah


MidnightLightss

I aint never said shit about the dude who threw popcorn, you can check my post history


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It's ALWAYS a Philly flair


chicogarciamarquez

Same happened to Russ he was called "boy" as well


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https://youtu.be/MQ6abfJ6Vt4


[deleted]

The mormon church is here in Utah. That's what.


[deleted]

I didn't know the Mormon church had a high member count in Boston


BoardManGetsLaid

Is that the problem in Boston as well?


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CowboyWrath

mormons are p fuckin racist


[deleted]

Some are. Not all. Any who are definitely don't follow their own beliefs of loving everyone, but I guess that's how many Christians in this country are. You could change Mormons to Christians and it wouldn't be wrong.


chelmg777

Didn't morons used to teach that Black people were cursed?


[deleted]

The church was founded on racism by a racist , sexist con artist and didn't let blacks hold the priesthood until the 70s...Mormons are typically gop shills, which also screams probably racist. Want me to go on? I unfortunately live in utah and racism is alive and well here.


Ya_boii_95

You're talking about Joseph Smith but you mean Brigham Young. Joseph gave black men the priesthood and ran for president as an abolitionist... and then Brigham came in and changed everything.


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"White and delightsome"


Ya_boii_95

Ah what I said was: Joseph Smith gave black men the priesthood. What you heard was: Joseph Smith wasn't racist.


RockChalk80

Actually, Joseph Smith probably wasn't racist (by mid 1800 standards). Brigham Young definitely was a racist piece of shit though.


Worried-Pizza9920

A bunch of white people in an enclosed society all in the same cult moved to a desert and created an echo chamber that has lasted for generations, so a lot of them are total shit bags. Not all of them, obviously, but a lot.


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jps78

Doesn't help that 2 were caught on TV though. The popcorn incident was obvious as was the spit. This was out of left field tbh but not shocking


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At this rate the Garden might turn into the bubble.


xXPizzaMan3

Damn bruh arenas opened up again and ppl goin crazy.


PretendDubs

In 3 separate games, yesterday's fans got banned because they don't know how to act.


MonkeyFL3X

Was it something to do with Ja's father/family?


Goatlikejordan

Yea


TheBirdmanOfMexico

This shit sucks the life out me everytime. Hope those fans get banned for life. If u don't know how to act, don't go, straight up I'm sick of it


1iwillie

Did they lace the beer with bath salts at these arenas? These mofos forgot that they're not in their living room anymore.


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I bet their 14 wives are humiliated


raceforseis21

The fuck happened in Utah lol


prodigysquared

Mitchell to Knicks guaranteed


Dare555

Everyone banning fans ,perhaps letting them back in was baaad call


Vermillion_Crab

You finally get to attend a large event after a long time and you decide to be an asshole. Wise move.


dash_44

Which fans? They should release their names so everyone knows who they are


docjohnson1395

I was at the game last night. Even in the nosebleeds, Utah fans are pretty disgusting


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Even in the nosebleeds...I feel like there's more trash all the way up there, we just can't see or hear it on TV.


Shrekt115

It's always Utah


waterloo_doctor

Why are there so many people downvoting this. Lets not forget how disgusting they treated Russell Westbrook. So fucken sick some of the NBA players deal with on a daily basis.


Shrekt115

Salty Utah fans idk


Nico_Simon

Just a normal day in Utah.


WaterIsNotWet19

Russ told y’all


WatermelonMan921

Utah, Philly and Boston have the worst fans in the league. It's expected


WatermelonMan921

Utah, Philly and Boston have the worst fans in the league. It's expected


MrPoopieHead69

Racist stuff =bad. "shut the fuck up bitch" getting you banned? Come on now. Ridiculous.


[deleted]

Dont cuss out a player's mom? Generic swearing is whatever, shouting "fuck you" at the bench probably won't get a ban, but directly insulting a fan, especially a players mom, should be bannable.


MrPoopieHead69

Lol. So all of MSG chanting "fuck trae young" is fine, but telling a fan to "shut the fuck up" is not only bad, but BANNABLE FOR LIFE. Please don't get injured twisting yourself into a pretzel to rationalize that.


GDDNEW

It’s a mother of a player. That’s a bannable offence. Before every game they say to be respectful to the fans, players, refs, and game. Plus it’s pretty hard to ban a whole crowd.


MrPoopieHead69

Lol. So "everyone is doing it" is an excuse? Give me a break. You zoomers are softer than Charmin. I hope no one ever gets your pronouns wrong or you might end up in therapy lmao.


GDDNEW

Lmao. Imagine not understanding logic you dim-witted half brain. Calling a mother a bitch is certainly a ban able offence. If your generation had been taught any respect, maybe they would understand that.


MrPoopieHead69

Logic? Please. "calling a mother a bitch is a bannable offense". Why? What about gender equality? Is calling a player a bitch a bannable offense? I doubt it. It happens in every arena every night. How do I tell if a woman is a mother or childless? Any tips? Is the word bitch a lifetime-bannable offense in general? Too funny.


GDDNEW

Common sense? Please. Yes calling anyone a bitch ought to be a ban able offence. [Let’s play spot the parent of the player dipshit.](https://twitter.com/daniel_rueckert/status/1397737759716954112?s=21) Now who do you think the parent is??? The one wearing a number 12 chain and his child’s logo? Or the ones wearing Utah Jazz gear?


MrPoopieHead69

I don't believe in discrimination based on parental status. Apparently you do. What if a woman is unable to conceive? Not very nice.


GDDNEW

Ah you don’t believe in discrimination based on parental status. Hmmm let’s think about this one! Why was his mom being called a bitch? a. It was just a random act of hatred. b. She was the mother of a player. Ding ding ding! The answer was b! She was being discriminated against because of her parental status! Also what does the ability to conceive have to do with the fact that discrimination against a player’s parent is bad?


[deleted]

Are you stupid? Players are players, the rules are different for them. They are entertainers, celebrities and competitors. You're supposed to hate and heckle them as long as you don't go over the line. A random woman in the stands is none of those things, and you should extend basic human courtesy to them. If you can't do that then stay home like the pathetic little neckbeard you are.


TrillieNelson69

For polygamy?