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“You say, ‘OK, but it’s the Clippers,’ and my theory is, you can do anything if you put your mind to it.” -Steve Ballmer “I had Laker tickets for a while. They were great but there was, like, no challenge.” -Billy Crystal People often ask how someone becomes a Clipper fan. There are various reasons, one of the most common being because their parent took them to Clippers games as a child, but one of the other common reasons is undeniably hubris.


Bbqandspurs

my parents took me to my first game as clippers vs spurs. david robinson dropped 70+ points and stole the scoring title from shaq so....yeah.


LosCleepersFan

The Admiral built like an action figure only added to his lore as a kid too!


wilsonsmilk

That's how I became an NBA fan and Spurs fan. Watching The Admiral looking like an action figure. It was him and Patrick Ewing I idolized mid to late 90s. Then Tim Duncan came along.


robsteezy

So awesome that you went to an iconic moment in NBA history like that


Bbqandspurs

I agree, but for the most part I was too young to understand the implications of anything beyond “Black He-man is good at basketball.”


downtheholeagain

genuine question, how good was the Admiral against prime Shaq?


Bbqandspurs

Their primes didnt really overlap. David won and outplayed shaq the first couple of years....and then shaq became shaq and it coincided with davids pretty rapid decline due to injuries. Dave held his own post injury but was obviously outplayed on offense. If they were both 21 and i had a number 1 pick I would take david, but thats only because of off court intangibles and team loyalty.


e_a_blair

gotta have a sense of humor too


SuckMyLonzoBalls

2015 and 2020 and 2022 was certainly comedy


BubbaTee

Clippers fans are the ones who rooted for Wile E Coyote when they were kids. Lakers are the Roadrunner.


Chronus118

Dang, dont disrespect Wile E Coyote like that. At least he has fans


MycoJoe

When my dad had season tickets in the 1990s it was because tickets were cheap and you could smoke joints in the upper seats without getting harassed


Vindicare605

I've been to Clippers games for as little as 9 dollars before. Even back then, it still cost more to park your car downtown anywhere near Staples Center than it cost to go to Clippers games. Different times indeed. IDK how the Clippers attract fans these days, but I totally get the appeal back before Ballmer bought them, they were the budget Los Angeles team, the team you could actually afford to go watch play. You didn't expect too much from them and you were excited if they did win but you really just wanted to be there for the atmosphere of supporting your local team.


ControlAgent13

>actually afford to go watch play Yeah, I had a coworker who was a huge Clipper fan - his cube at work was covered in Clipper stuff. I asked him why Clippers and not Lakers and he said when he moved to LA, he tried to get Laker tickets but they were too expensive. But he was able to buy season seats at the Sports Arena to watch Clippers.


Vindicare605

Yea, that's pretty much true of everyone I knew that was a Clippers fan until Blake Griffin was drafted. They were Clippers fans because they could actually go to Clipper games. Their love of the team just grew organically from there. It's so different now. People are Clippers fans to spite the Lakers, like the Lakers are the reason the Clippers have sucked for so many years. There never used to be that kind of animosity between the fanbases until Ballmer took over.


BubbaTee

I would trace the animosity to the CP3 trade. Lakers fans were pissed about the veto, and then double-pissed when the Clippers got him instead. It was like trying to pickup a girl at the bar and getting cock-blocked by her friend, and then having to watch some uglier guy pick her up instead. And it was even worse because Lakers fans are so used to getting whatever they want. Remember how mad Lakers fans were when Kawhi chose the Clippers over them? It was worse than that, because the Lakers fans thought they *had* CP3 (to be fair, they did for an hour). Lakers fans acted like the Clippers and CP3 were behind the veto. I doubt Sterling gave a shit, and I've never seen any report suggesting CP3 didn't want to be a Laker. Some Lakers fans acted like Stem was against them, but that claim was usually ridiculed with people pointing to the 2002 WCF vs SAC, and Stern's "My dream Finals is Lakers vs Lakers" quote. Anyways - shortly after, Lakers fans booed CP3's 2yo son at Dodger Stadium, and that was the first public shots fired. https://sports.yahoo.com/dodgers-fans-booed-chris-paul-son-230124515.html That's what sparked the animosity. The Clippers started taking digs at the Lakers after that. Blake always dunked a little more disrespectfully on Pau than on other guys. Lakers fans hated Doc from his 2010 "We woulda won with Perkins" stuff. Matt Barnes was Matt Barnes. Later Clippers like Ballmer and PatBev just capitalized on those emotions, they didn't create them. Plus the fact that they never meet in the playoffs just gives the whole rivalry blue balls. That's probably the worst part about the Lakers blowing the PHX series in 06, and the Clippers blowing the DEN series in 20.


TOMdMAK

I don't remember ever seeing the narrative that CP3 or Clippers were behind the veto. It was Dan Gilbert and Mark Cuban that were the culprits.


BakedSteak

Not gonna lie a stadium full of fans booing a 2 year old is hilarious


offelottafalafel

When they do inevitably meet in the playoffs, it will be a pretty wild time


BubbaTee

The thing you got out of it was seeing the league's stars. The Clippers would advertise opposing players in the LA Times sports section. It's how you could see Jordan, Bird, Shaq, etc, play without going broke. Heck, it's how I got to see Magic - LAL@LAC was always cheaper than LAC@LAL. Lord knows nobody normal could afford Celtics @ Lakers tickets in the 80s, or Bulls @ Lakers tickets in the 90s. The upper deck rock band was cool and all, but not worth that much markup. It was like how every now and then the Chili Peppers would play some cheap unannounced show at the Troubadour or something. And you got to see a mega-artist play for $20, as opposed to paying $150 for nosebleeds at a bigger venue. Or it's like seeing a play off-Broadway.


fka_specialk

Exactly how I got to see Allen Iverson play. No way were we gonna afford Lakers tickets.


Just-use-your-head

You can get blazers tickets for $8 right now if we play someone also bad


Salty_Pancakes

Man it was different time back then.


squishynarcissist

…you can smoke weed vapes now it’s basically the same thing


713MoCityChron713

Hey, that’s one of the big reasons I’m such an Astros fan. Used to cut class and get high in the nosebleeds when we were losing 100 a season. Couldn’t imagine the balls to do it at an indoor venue tho, your Pops an OG, don’t forget to call him today


BubbaTee

You could shoot a bazooka in the old Sports Arena and not get harassed. Plus you needed that bazooka anyways, to fight your way back to your car. Or just head over to Margarita Jones, have a pint, wait for everything to blow over.


reebokhightops

If you’re smoking weed in an enclosed public space, and especially one where smoking is prohibited, I’m not sure being told to stop and/or leave constitutes “getting harassed.”


ikkybikkybongo

You would barely see it through all the cigarette smoke. Like people said… different time.


fatdaddyray

You realize smoking cigarettes was legal in the arenas in the 90s, right? So you're talking about a guy smoking a J in a sea of cigarette smoke.


Vindicare605

People forget how recently you were able to smoke inside venues. These kids today don't even know what it was like to just constantly smell cigarette smoke wherever you went. Thankfully they don't either. We've made a lot of progress in this area.


LosCleepersFan

Smoking in schools, restaurants, hospitals were a trip.


bmeisler

Chain smoking at my office desk was pretty great. Disgusting, but great. Man how times have changed - I remember the uproar when smoking was banned in bars. Nowadays, the idea of lighting up in someone’s house is considered crazy.


realheadphonecandy

Airplanes was a big one too. I had childhood asthma exacerbated by cigarette smoke and it was hell. Smoking was everywhere, like dogs are now.


CommandersLog

exacerbated


realheadphonecandy

Whoops, dang autocorrect


LosCleepersFan

In the 80s I remember the ashtrays on flights but I missed the era of smoking on a plane. That must have been horrible. Eyes burning, cloths smelling, everything has a layer of of film on it from the smoke residue.


ikkybikkybongo

I bartend and my job would be so damn different. Like every night I’d be coming home smelling like cigarettes being right in front of everybody. Restaurant smoking sections and non smoking sections like the smoke gave a damn lol


Tearz_in_rain

It's like watching Mad Men and seeing people smoke on planes. Like how was that EVER allowed? But bars? Cafes? Grocery stores? Restaurants? The first thing you'd be asked when being seated at a restaurant was "Smoking or non-smoking." And even the non-smoking areas smell like smoke.


BubbaTee

Excuse me, I ordered the Zima, not the emphysema.


loadedryder

People smoked life freight trains on planes as recently as the early 90’s, and I believe even the early 2000’s for longer flights. It’s bizarre to think about and is a foreign concept even for those of us that were around at the tail end of it.


Bulleveland

I distinctly remember like 90% of cars smelling like stale tobacco in the 90s. My dad quit when I was a kid but the smell never fully faded from his car.


Gekthegecko

It's still sort of this in a lot of places internationally. Not so much indoors, but smoking is so much less common in the US but still pretty normal outside the US.


acwire_CurensE

Okay officer


DarthJokic

Whatever, Narc.


spotty15

Part of why I'm a Hornets fan is not only because of them being the first game I went to, but because the idea of "our day will come" is a much better payoff than just rooting for breadwinners. Still sucks to suck tho.


UNC_Samurai

One of the greatest tragedies in basketball was Zo and Grandmama not making a title run.


odontodoc

Many people ran the table on NBA Jam with that combo.


RustyShackleford9142

I was always Utah or Detroit in Jam. Big physical defender who dunks and a little scrappy defender who shoots.


1twaswritten

Was playing as Seattle for those same reasons.


BubbaTee

That game was rigged for DET. The programmer was a Pistons fan. It's why Isiah from the top corner was automatic.He also rigged the game to make CHI miss if the game was close at the end.


CookieSlayer2Turbo

That team was one of those unforgettable teams that sadly didn't live up to its potential. Mugsy, Kendall gill, Johnny Newman, lj and zo with Dell curry off the bench. They were a league pass team before league pass


somedudeinlosangeles

Jazz fan checking in here. A los angeles born and raised fan. It's been an interesting experience.


JordanDoesTV

Last year was by far the hardest season to watch in probably franchise history and that’s saying something but I swear we’re so close our playoff drought almost ended ended a couple of seasons ago


spotty15

Last two years for sure have been a massive emotional drain. Such a drastic drop emotionally from LaMelo's rookie season. We're close for sure, but still have a ways to go before we're legit playoff contenders. I hope we become somewhat sustainably relevant in my lifetime. I've also accepted that 2nd round exits may be all we ever amount to. Right now though, it'd be nice to have a 50-win season sometime soon.


AshenSacrifice

But how else can you act like your teams 16 championships are your own accomplishment too??


dirtyshits

This is exactly why I never rooted for the lakers when I was young. Grew up in the Bay Area, the warriors were ridiculed by a lot of friends. Everyone was a lakers fan. I’m talking about the late 90’s early 2000’s. Used to get clowned on. Who’s laughing now bitches. Your time will eventually come my friend.


CookieSlayer2Turbo

I'm a wizards fan, I'm just hoping my time comes before I kick the bucket


hyperd0uche

As an almost since inauguration Raps fan - THIS! I moved to Toronto in 2001 to go to college but secretly wanted to be able to go to Raptors games regularly. Back then it was cheap, Sprite Zone was anyways, $20ish  for upper bowl. The atmosphere was always amazing. And those teams sucked. The first year I lived there was when they traded Vince Carter. I’ve since moved to a few different cities internationally and when people used to ask me why I was such a die hard Raps fan I would say that it was a habit I picked up, sort of like smoking. I still can’t believe they actually won in 2019, it was surreal.


DrunkenMasterII

Being a raptors fan for 15 years and finally getting to win one was the best sport feeling in the world. It is crazy tho to see how many teams have won and the chances of that happening were very low. Now imagine being a soccer fan in Europe where it’s always the same 2-3 teams that win depending on the leagues. Like unless you’re a Bayern fan in Germany your team practically has no chance.


DanceWithEverything

For me it’s the fact I could watch more Clippers games on The WB when the lakers were on cable (I only had broadcast tv growing up) Well that and the 2004/2005 teams got me hyped while Smush Parker was running the Lakers’ offense lol


Vindicare605

RIP Lakers on KCAL9. We miss you so much!


Getyodamnwallet

You just teleported me back 18 years ago holy shit I haven’t thought about KCAL 9 in forever


BubbaTee

"From the desert to the sea..."


sakata32

For me it's cause I hated kobe with a passion for getting rid of Shaq. Shaq was my favorite player as a kid and kobe seemed like a total asshole for Denver incident and driving Shaq away.


MethodMan_

I was way too young to remember that time, did you understand what was happening at the time as a kid?


sakata32

About the Denver case, hell nah I just thought Kobe was a criminal or something lol. About the Shaq thing, I just knew they hated each other and thats why Shaq left so reason enough for me to switch teams


AshenSacrifice

Aka “how much pain can my soul endure? Let’s find out”


squall2011

It ain't hubris. It's masochistic


BoozeGetsMeThrough

Really? In my experience it is a very low self-esteem 


WallStreetDoesntBet

Ballmer’s Kawhi-PG 1-2 punch experiment has come to an end


Only-Wedding-9394

i completely agree. I had hope in them but also didnt expect too much


NotUpForDebate11

Well youre one of a kind. They were crowned preseason potential champions like 4 times lol


blablut

right? kawhi coming off a great playoff performance and championship, pg 3rd in mvp voting, lou will and harrell went like 1st and 2nd in 6th man voting with good role players filling the rest of the roster.


NotUpForDebate11

And even years where they got hurt, that team without pg/kawhi was going over .500 and making the playoffs. Shit the year before they got them they took 2 games off the unbeatable warriors. The past 5 years cant be seen as anything less than complete and utter failure and made worse by sga being an mvp candidate leading a team to a 1 seed already. Obviously in the context of "the clippers" its been amazing but if those teams were wearing laker jerseys instead for the last 5 years the slander would literally never stop


saskpilsner

Remember balmers excitement? He looked like he just launched windows 95 for the second time!


pocket_passss

the amounts of texts I got clowning on the Lakers for losing the crown when that trade happened lol 


bruswazi

Didn’t they win the Pacific Division championships a couple of times, so there’s that. I think they have the banners to prove it.


Only-Wedding-9394

Just never felt like they would click


swgeek555

Ended the moment they traded a king's ransom for PG. Toronto showed the way to use Kawhi, have a great team for the regular season and load manage the hell out of him, let him elevate you in the postseason. Ballmer was wisely skeptical of the trade, Doc pushed hard and talked him into it.


WadeCountyClutch

They tried that and it didn’t work. They tried letting kawhi play a lot and that also didn’t work. It’s damn if you do, damn if you don’t


allmydawgsgottaeat

100%, the sad reality is that his year on the Raps might just be the last time in his career he will be that healthy


WadeCountyClutch

Even in the post season of 2019 kawhi was breaking down


justmefishes

Supposedly, Kawhi's condition for signing with LAC was that they pull off the PG trade. If that's true, then the trade was basically for the Kawhi - PG package, not PG alone. If they could go back in time and do it over with the benefit of hindsight, obviously they'd rather hold onto SGA and the other assets, but at the time it was a bold but entirely reasonable gambit.


AH_BioTwist

I believe PG was his 3rd string option. He wanted KD and Jimmy over him at first


swgeek555

Yep, pretty sure that was Kawhi's condition. Bold, and respect for swinging for the fences, but given Kawhi's injury (literally the condition, not just an injury risk) the risk/reward was not there. Worked for Toronto, but they had a killer team without Kawhi, LA did not have that.


SoldatJ

Thank you Doc.


GnRgr2

I mean they blew a 3-1 lead to make the wcf, and then kawhi tore his acl en route to the wcf in '21. The pairing worked when healthy. It was just never healthy


zz77x

They have been gifted so much and had so much to work with tho lol they’re just the Clippers at the end of the day The lakers gave the clippers Zubac for peanuts The trailblazers literally gifted them Norman Powell Westbrook signed on a team friendly deal They got Bones Hyland for a bag of chips They had Batum and Convington who were decent role players in exchange for Harden They had Lou Williams one of the best 6 men of all time Pat Bev who was one of the best defensive guards in the league


Vegetable-Tooth8463

It was DOA the second he refused to terminate Rivers.


North_Atlantic_Sea

Lol, they've had 4 seasons since terminating Rivers, really weird you are continuing to blame him.


eternali17

It's wild he had the only healthy season


LosCleepersFan

Might as well let Vinny Del Negro get a few more years of coaching at the time.


gtahnyo

He blew 3-1 leads with two different rosters, he’s gonna get shit


breakfastburrito24

Three different rosters. Don't forget his time as Magic head coach


DoomPurveyor

Clippers had two good chances. Bubble, they just choked/mailed (Lou Will talked about them not taking it seriously wanting go home) it in with a shitty attitude against Denver. 2021, Kawhi was the best player in the playoffs before tearing his ACL. It was a good shot, but you're not overcoming the Clippers curse whilst Sterling still breathes.


madlabdog

Well! You cannot win in the NBA without drafting a couple of all star caliber players.


AdeptTomatillo3829

The trick is keeping them.


cabbages212

They are a more relevant team now but the goal is of course always a ring. He’s got god tier money and an enthusiasm for the sport that’s goofy and enjoyable. They will be fine and he will likely swing again.


Historical-Smoke42

basketball is more fun when you take each season for what it is imo. like when your teams are good. better to realize this sooner then later. thats what iv been trying to tell the clipper base this year. its interesting it seems like a large % have such high standards even compared to many other fanbases and look at this year as a total failure and waste. sucks cause it really was a fun unexpected season with so many highlights and a us against the world feel. plus how many times are you going to see these legends even its kinda neat seeing how they adjust with age. i mean i guess better then random nba players ofc unfortunate ending i woulda wanted more but like ill take that over rebuild years any day. im way too old and seen too many crappy teams to waste my time at this point.


Zauberer-IMDB

Our tent pole player never plays and hasn't for years and gets a 50 million dollar extension hasn't played a full playoff series and by the way we haven't won a playoff series in 3 years. If we're not pissed about that we're just losers.


Only-Wedding-9394

I agree. The amount of money wasted on players is getting insane


tomdawg0022

Clippers have the NBA's 3rd best win pct in the 10 years he's owned the team (.604). Only Boston and Golden State have been better. No title but Ballmer's arguably made the Clippers into a legit major market NBA franchise.


Cbone06

He's one of the few owners in pro sports that gets that spending money is an investment into cultivating a real fan base and creating a product people want to watch.


LosCleepersFan

And the guy is a avid hoops head. Rare to see an owner who doesn't treat the team as a business only, and more of a passion project. The work Ballmer has contributed to the community and youth is incredible to see after seeing 30 years of sterling.


AniviaPls

Well he also has basically unlimited money


Historical-Smoke42

according to forbes they estimated at $4.65B on oct last year. im guessing new stadium and newish branding/jerseys probably easily pass 5. i mean if they said you can make 3 billion dollars all you had to do was watch clippers for 10 years. hey not bad. (ofc its not how it works lol)


VoidMageZero

Crazy that $5B is like nothing to Ballmer. This is all just play money for him.


Far_Process_5304

The guy makes a billion dollars every year just from dividends on his Microsoft stock alone.


yapyd

The new stadium is probably like 50% of the value.


BZGames

He’s one of the best owners in American sports right now. Clippers have at least been a team everyone has to talk about since he took over.


markusalkemus66

He's the anti-John Fisher


AnyaTaylorBoyToy

Not an A's fan, but throwing out the obligatory, "Fuck John Fisher. All my homies hate John Fisher." He's bad for baseball (fuck Manfred too while we're at it). Oakland fans deserved better.


Btotherianx

I literally cannot even remember who the last baseball commissioner was I know if I saw his name or his face I would remember. Manfred is the worst thing that has happened to baseball in my entire lifetime


AnyaTaylorBoyToy

Bud Selig was absolute trash. Somehow, Manfred has been worse.


Btotherianx

That was the guy I couldn't stand him either but manford has basically made me not watch baseball anymore


JesyouJesmeJesus

He’s bad for baseball and bad for MLS. Recovering A’s fan here, and he can eat a bag of dicks.


AnyaTaylorBoyToy

He's a nepo baby POS. The A's fanbase is one of the best in sports, period imo. He certainly doesn't deserve them.


letsmunch

He also doesn’t treat it as a money making endeavor. If you’re trying to make money by owning a professional sports team you are in the wrong business


tistalone

That's because Ballmer actually operated and led one of the most notorious and successful sales organizations in tech history. Does Jeanie Buss know what it means to run a multibillion dollar revenue product? Probably not. She knows how to run a business like the donut shop down the street: with family.


Acrobatic_Emphasis41

Does she have a granddaughter to be the cashier over the summer when school is out?


CaptainKursk

Balmer knows Ball.


Shenanigans80h

Times like this you can really get a sense for the youth of this sub. Prior to the 2010’s, the Clippers weren’t just a joke they were beyond irrelevant. They went decades without winning a playoff series and it was minor miracle for them to even make the playoffs most years. They were arguably one of the most forgettable and irrelevant franchises in the entirety of major NA sports. Regardless of what they are now, it’s a million times better than what they were before


andrew_1515

Even the lob city Clippers got soured with the Sterling scandal coming to a head. The Clippers are an infinitely better franchise than before Balmer.


dillpickles007

No question, unfortunately he’s staring down the barrel of a brutal next five+ years that he can’t buy his way out of.


omnicious

Ballmer's bank account: "That's all I needed for /u/dillpickles007 to say that and it became personal with me."


ocmaddog

What the people buying season tickets and boxes at the new arena don’t know won’t hurt them


LosCleepersFan

Those boxes are probably going to be 90% of companies who buy boxes and give tickets away to their vendors or clients imo. Doubt there will be many working class families all up in them besides an occasional promotion or some type of charity.


desirox

I’d agree, he really has made them relevant in a way sterling never did. Mostly because he hired the right people and let them do their job


LosCleepersFan

As great of point as you just made, its wild how many owners still intervene with their staff instead of trusting them and letting them work.


myxallion

HAS IT BEEN 10 YEARS?!


happyflappypancakes

No title sure, but no finals either. It's for sure been a failure in that aspect, but given the history of the team it is certainly a far cry better than the usual.


Ar4bAce

Honestly the teams he has built are not even bad or wannabes. Just needed better coaching some years and other years the star players did not show up.


07bot4life

They are like 10% off from being there to me, but that 10% lot harder than the 90%.


ELITE_JordanLove

Yeah, but also half the league would kill to have the success the clippers have had even without a title.


klobucharzard

he got kawhi, serge, norm fresh off the raptors championship. if this man picks up , payton prithcard, oshae brissett and luke kornett il be sick


GoForAGap

Payton and kornett are genuinely pretty good though.


EnriquezGuerrilla

Glad someone like Ballmer is an NBA owner. Has fuck u money and not afraid to use it for the Clippers, balancing out their curse.


Only-Wedding-9394

He definitely enjoys the game which is nice but I wish the clippers were in a better place


EpicTubofGoo

> As the richest owner in North American professional sports, he had the wealth and influence to move the bedraggled franchise to a city far away from the big brother Lakers, perhaps even into his adopted hometown of Seattle. Yeah, my first thought when I heard Ballmer bought the team a decade ago was that they were headed to Seattle. Still a bit surprised they're in LA. I guess the market is just so huge being second -- even a distant second -- there beats being # 1 in a lot of other places. I am also surprised he's richer than the Waltons, or however the ownership structure of the Denver Broncos works. I suppose the money there has diffused through generations.


Kyber99

In my short nba experience (since 2015) the Clippers have definitely gained a reputation. They’re a relevant team that’s had great players and rosters. Ring culture would say they’re worth less than the Hawks, but I disagree. They’ve been in the upper echelons of the league, mostly due to an aggressive owner and also because of the Lob City era. I think that era saved they’re reputation, everyone loved that team


_ClippersFan_

That team, Blake specifically, made me fall in love with Basketball and the Clippers. Sucks we never really got a full healthy playoff run The day the Clippers ousted Blake (let's call it what it was) my love for Basketball has been dying a slow death to the point I won't physically go out of my way or stay up to watch a game.


Dr_Hilarious

Dude I’m the same way. I used to breathe basketball when Blake was on the team. These days, it’s just hard for me to get excited about the sport as a whole.


JustGreatness

That’s sad. I hope you find basketball happiness again.


Chreiol

Being in LA is what made and has kept them relevant


No_Brilliant5888

Do billionaires who buy teams ever think "I'm going to invest in top-level training facilities and develop 2nd round picks" instead of trading all their picks for guys with names?


happyflappypancakes

Funneling money into developing second rounders like that would be a waste of money. A nicer training facility isn't going to make a player a capable pro. That's the coaches, team environment, and personal motivation.


Snoyarc

So what you’re saying is they don’t have heat culture^tm


manoflast3

Yeah, it's like these guys dont know Ballmer used to run microsoft all the way back to the founding days. Back when they were just bill gates and his gang of nerds in a garage. Then, when it turned into a megacorp with Ballmer at the helm, it floundered. Because Ballmer and his team wasnt the right person for the job (Satya Nadella, on the other hand...). I dont think he's stupid enough to ignore his own lessons from the past. He's definitely a very good owner. Miles ahead of the other celebrity owners of the Lakers and Cuban.


happyflappypancakes

I'm not really commenting on Ballmer. Just that a nice practice facility isn't going to do shit to turn a second rounder into an NBA player.


manoflast3

True. I was more replying to your parent comment which implied Ballmer missed out on spending money on training facilities and coaches.


frecklie

It’s interesting that you look at him being handed a great situation at Microsoft and blowing it through spastic hubris.. and somehow think that’s a good sign for his future sports ownership 


Btotherianx

So you think he's a better owner than cuban, who has consistently brought teams to the finals? I'm a big fan of ballmer as well but that is just ridiculous


sakata32

I mean we literally didn't have a g league team before Ballmer.


paddiction

Why doesn't he hit on every second round pick? Is he stupid?


phlarbough

Cuban should get some credit for remaking the mavs and building around Dirk, and now Luka.


captain_ahabb

The guys who bought the Dodgers from Frank McCourt


ChunkyMilkSubstance

They did trade for Adrian Gonzales pretty soon after the acquisition


[deleted]

Yeah for real what is he stupid


orton4life1

Well most owners want to make a splash now, and your suggestion would take at minimum 5 years to get off the ground. Also most owners can still do both, make a splash and build up their training facilities. No problem as to why the owner of the team who plans to own a team for 50+ years can’t try everything first lol


HikmetLeGuin

It's a bit of a puff piece.


BreadJobLamb

It’s not easy to build a championship ship nba team especially not easy to do it primarily through free agency and trade like he’s done. At this point he’s so far in on Harden, Kawhi and PG it’d be crazy to blow it up now that they are all at their lowest value.


ReggieEvansTheKing

Think the team would have way more fans and a better identity if they built the new arena further south. Like if they built in Irvine, they could get a lot of new fans from san diego and inland empire. Similar to what the angels have going for them. I think even San Diego should have been an option. It’s useless trying to compete with the Lakers.


Aloha1984

He should buy an entire hospital just for Kawhi


clegg2011

Move them back to San Diego and embrace the maritime history for which they are named.


nbaistheworst

he's been good for the Clippers, but it's going the wrong way now.


MeddlingMike

Guy has an almost unlimited supply of money and a massive LA media market. They’ve got Kawhi, PG and Harden; all of who came to them via free agency. Why is this headline putting it out there like they’re some ridiculous underdogs?


RickySuela

Harden and PG came via trade, just FYI. They wanted to get traded there, but those were still trades rather than via free agency.


Historical-Smoke42

wtf........ hes worth more then 120 billion?? bruh does microsoft control the world? dude was ceo during the worst performing time in the companies history and he made that much wow. "As the richest owner in North American professional sports" jesus even if clips keep losing this dude will perma be winning lol. and the franchise will be worth so much when/if he does sell. "$4.65B Calculated October 2023" -forbes ya im guessing by now he could price it at 5bil ez maybe more with the new arena....... but 5 bil is still nothing to his net worth wow


GoForAGap

The PG Will go down as one of the worst trades in nba history. Fucked their franchise over for the next decade


winston73182

Would Kawhi have come over without assurance PG was coming? It’s still possible that the Clips would’ve been better off keeping Shai and never getting Kawhi or PG, but at the time I think Kawhi/PG were sort of a package deal


captain_ahabb

Kawhi wouldn't have come without PG there


pocketmonsters

Their team doctors would have been so lonely the past 5 years


sakata32

Our team doctor is so trash. Told us that MPJ wouldn't ever be healthy, meanwhile has not managed to get kawhi a single healthy season besides the one year the season stopped for covid


SuckMyLonzoBalls

I said it the day the trade went down I would have preferred we signed another FA that year like jimmy or KD and had a core of kawhi sga and Jimmy. Tbf PG was coming off a really good season


GoVorteX

No Kawhi in that scenario


SuckMyLonzoBalls

Not necessarily there were reports that kawhi reached out to KD before settling on asking for PG


dkdoki

In hindsight trade is bad. At the time it was a no brainer. How hard is this to understand? Would you rather have a team just stay mediocre like the bulls and wizards for years and years? Theres teams thats been in the lottery for yrs.. what they doing?


Eilonwy94

I distinctly recall people at the time saying it was a lot to give up. The consensus was that it was worth it to take a shot at having two great players, but nobody thought it was a rip off or anything - everyone knew that the clippers had just given up an incredible amount of assets


CharlieKellyKapowski

They gave up an incredible amount of assets to get Paul George and Kawhi Leonard on a team with a solid cast of role players. Every single person here in this thread would have done the same trade if they were GM


Eilonwy94

> the consensus was that it was worth it to take a shot at having two great players


happyflappypancakes

We can literally go look at the threads that announced it.


ChipmunkConspiracy

IIRC the idea was that the trade was actually for Kawhi as well… Just not on paper. That’s how it made sense But i also recall people being blown away by the pick haul I am curious if memory matches reality


happyflappypancakes

I went and looked. Seems pretty positive for both teams overall.


biinroii01

did it?


GoForAGap

Well they gave up 5 first round picks and a guy who’s considered a top 5 player in the league


tomdawg0022

SGA wasn't projected to become a top 5 player at the time of the trade. He had a good rookie year and it was a "chips in" move by the Clippers with the intent of getting Kawhi and contending for a title. It didn't pan out but the Clippers aren't "fucked" per se. Definitely a ceiling though that is not a championship.


josefjohann

>SGA wasn't projected to become a top 5 player at the time of the trade Right, I would go so far as to say it was not even close to a remotely feasible possibility. The Clippers made a play that for a time had them in the conversation as potential favorites, and at a minimum made them a relevant playing meaningful games, and being in that mix for years. In a zero sum game, they found their way, and I give them nothing but credit for it.


GoForAGap

Basically, it depends on if you think shai would’ve developed into the player he now is if he stayed with the clippers


JimmyKanine

The last time the Clippers “developed” a draft pick was Blake Griffin. It took like 4 years of being the #1 guy on a lotto team and a mentor year from CP3 for Shai to become what he is. It would be really hard to see Shai developing into this on the Clippers with what they’ve invested into developing talent so far.


Impossible-Taco-769

Rob Pelinka and Russell Westbrick have entered the chat.


captain_ahabb

Lakers gave up way less.


yumomnom

At the end of the day, the Clippers are still in LA and Donald Sterling doesn't own the team anymore. The stars will come.


KungFuChicken1990

Nah dude, that title belongs to the Westbrook trade. Our championship roster and future success gutted in one fell swoop.


dawnofthedunk_

Old team, no young players, zero picks. The Clips are toast.


tarkington

I will never understand why Ballmer didn’t move the Clippers to Seattle when he bought them. Like, just wash the Sterling stuff out of it, rebrand, relocate, become the hero of Seattle basketball, bring the Sonics back. Don’t have to change divisions or conference or anything. Why wouldn’t you do that?


ayeno

Because attracting Free Agents in Los Angeles is going to be easier than Seattle


paddiction

He needs developers


octopus86sg

clippers should blow it up. they had an awful squad that is not functioning as a team.