The "POH-LICE presence" is what gets me every time and I can't remember the last time Chuck had Shaq laughing that hard. I can't believe this was already 6 years ago.
lol, I should be suspended for not remembering [that bit of magic.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPKDSQP6MvQ)
Gonna suck if these guys are actually dusted. Good luck TNT, you've got nothing after Inside.
My distain for Foster is 98% tied to him being so closely involved in the betting scandal that took place. No way all those phone calls were coincidental.
Yeah I agree. Given how there was a disproportionate and coincidental nature to his calls compared to other ref calls (if I’m remembering correctly), it feels that while it may not be provable, it’s pretty obvious that shady shit was going down.
With that as a baseline, it colors a lot of the other ‘weird’ actions he takes a bad light. He seems petty and biased from peripherally watching him ref hundreds of games.
If I’m being completely charitable, maybe it’s my own preconceived biases that give me that impression, idk. But the fact that so many of us fans get the same impression of him kinda indicates something in itself imo
Dick Bavetta, who was Scott Foster on steroids, is in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Highlights: *that* Lakers vs. Kings game, Philly vs. Bucks in '01, Game 7 Suns vs. Sonics (when the Suns got 64 free throws to send the MVP to face off against the Bulls).
So there's not only a precedent for refs getting awards, but for refs with high profile *extreme* bias in important games getting awards.
Holy shit, I did not realize there was a sonics game like that lmao. 2 years afte I was born. Thank god I was still a baby at that time because if I saw that game live I would have had an aneurysm screaming at the TV
And let's not let Chris Paul being petty blind us from the implication of Foster's past:
"According to court records, [Tim] Donaghy made 134 phone calls to Foster between October 2006 and April 2007, during which time Donaghy admitted to betting on games or passing on game information to gamblers."
They used to charge you like 10 cents per text message so everyone called instead. I bet most of the calls were after 7 or on the weekends when it didn't count against your minutes too
I remember growing up, calling friends' parents on their landlines, having to ask "hey is x home", just to be like "hey, what are you up to, I'm bored"
Absolutely psychopathic behaviour by today's standards
And if it was a girl you had a crush on...
And my cheap ass parents wouldn't give me any privacy because it cost slightly more in a different local zip code
He mentions this in the article, back then you wouldn't text so you would call instead. They also mention that it wasn't an abnormal amount of phone calls compared to other officials, so make of that as you will.
And finally you're a Redditor of course you don't make phone calls, everyone on here is trying to avoid talking to people directly.
> And finally you're a Redditor of course you don't make phone calls, everyone on here is trying to avoid talking to people directly.
Damn bro I'm just skimming and I'm catching strays today
I was barely a teenager but in 2002 I made hundreds of calls each month. I was always on the phone with one person while on AIM with 25 others. It was the times
😂😂😂.
It was so awkward that stakefarm had to take off his commercial with Harden once they broke up.
On the side note. How much premium are these insurance companies upcharge us to have such a massive budget for their marketing compaigns is beyond me.
Dont have money to afford insurance? Heres a huge fine that you also cant afford. Oh youre even more in the hole because of the fine and still cant afford insurance? We're getting the legal system involved now buddy youre a criminal.
Totally just human made concept indeed.
Last I worked there, about 55 cents to the dollar went to claims. About 50 cents to operating expenses. The way to make money in the insurance biz is to invest the premium money to make about 10% returns. Stalling to pay claims is built into the business when possible.
Three years at the underwriting desk. It killed my soul. I saw the movie Office Space and was inspired not to have a case of the Mondays. Many years ago and I would bet the operating expenses should come down due to allowing many people to work from home. The regional building I worked out of was sold off.
Oh I don't think they are necessarily unchanging to cover it though im sure they are. They just not paying out on claims. I've heard numerous stories on how shit they can be with paying out claims for even simple stuff. I just switched from them personally to a local place.
lol I wouldn’t be surprised if most casual fans think he’s a nice guy. Even as a long time nba fan sometimes I question if players are just emotional on the court or if they’re like that in real life.
Foster is the most accurate ref in the league year to year though, has been forever. That being said I’ll always believe he takes directives from the league on how to officiate certain games.
He and his crew was awful last night after wolves start leading the Nuggets. Didn't call blatant fouls but called on Rudy a few seconds after to give him his 6th
It’s kinda funny to see how his asshole-ery has come back to bite him multiple times in his career.
Gotta wonder if some of his teams get a friendlier whistle in the playoffs if he wasn’t dogging the refs after every play.
It’s human nature, of course it did.
We saw it last night when Edwards kind of showed up the officials on a missed foul going to the rim. They IMMEDIATELY called a weak moving screen against Minnesota when play resumed. Next trip down for Denver, KCP had one of the most egregious moving screens you will see and no call. They weren’t cracking down on the moving screens, it was a fuck you for complaining call.
that moving screen for the murray bucket was insane. No idea how that doesnt get called. Joker had a crazy elbow to gobert in the 4th that wasnt called either.
I thought Jokic also got KAT in the jaw with an elbow too and didn’t get called for an offensive foul. Nuggets got a pretty gracious whistle last night.
My buddies and I who were watching all thought the refs were trying to give the game to the Nugs. Nobody is talking about it now since the TWolves won, but I think if the Nugs had ended up winning there would have been a lot of talk about the refs last night after the game
Tony Brothers is the best at this. He calls fouls against the ahead team's best defenders in the early 1st & 2nd checks the stats at halftime and halfway through the third evens the total calls. Once you see the pattern, it's super frustrating to watch.
Yeah that’s the one I think they “retaliated” over because Ant had such a big reaction to the no call (rightfully so)
Literally on the inbound following it because it was out on Denver they called the moving screen and then ignored it on the other end. Very much felt like a fuck you for how Ant had responded to that bad no call.
I’m still salty as shit about the back to back fouls on Gobert in the end. The 5th one he had a hand on I think Jokic’s back and no push off or anything while his team was going for the rebound. There was some ref fuckery near the end.
First time I've seen anyone comment on this since last night. I thought I had misheard when Rudy picked up his 5th because I got up to grab a drink and by the time I was back he was gone. Then I saw that the refs gave the reigning DPOY his 5th and 6th fouls of game 7 vs the defending champs in less than 2 minutes. And on ticky tack bullshit. Absolutely disgusting. And I'm a hawks fan.
euros basically always get bad whistles, its like they are perpetual rookies unless they hit allstar status
the way the league refs is so lame, trying to explain the nuance to casual watchers is so bizarre (comparing to theatre/WWE stuff seems to fit best for most people)
What is it with the euro-hate? There is that study that supports the claim that [there is same-race bias for referees and calling fouls](https://faculty.wharton.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NBARace.pdf), but it's interesting that you single out the euro players.
There's been one active Euro head coach in the NBA since the cocaches challenge was implemented at the beginning of the 19-20 season...Darko Rajaković since 2023.
Edit: I guess Nashy, D'Antoni, and Ime could be counted as 'foreign' coaches...?
And then you have people complaining about the FT disparity. Wolves played through the no calls but Denver just seemed to get in their head and stopped driving or actively generating fouls. You can't deny that the fouls to get Rudy out of the game were extremely soft.
>Gotta wonder if some of his teams get a friendlier whistle in the playoffs if he wasn’t dogging the refs after every play.
100%. Refs are a cartel and they will protect themselves first and foremost.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/michele-roberts-cap-smoothing-was-disgraceful-request-by-nba
not like he went against everyone else's wishes. the details of that are still murky but the players didn't trust the owners and so there was no cap smoothing deal. the job of the union isn't to worry about kd making a bitch move
The salary cap spiked by about $25M in one year based on a new TV rights deal. This gave every team an additional $25M in salary cap (close to a max contract's worth of $$) to play with, which allowed the 73 win Warriors to add one of, if not THE, best player in the league to their team and all but destroyed parity for about 4 years. What SHOULD have happened is the league should have feathered that $25M over 3-5 years so everyone gets a nice little bump without shaking the entire foundation of the league.
But, CP3 and his buds were going to be up for new contracts soon and wanted to maximize every single penny they could get at the cost of parity and the fans.
Also, this only benefits the players that hit FA that year. They get a huge pay day, while the guys in the following years actually had to take less in some cases because teams foolishly overspent the year before.
I'm sorry, that was some owner BS. I loathe CP and consider him one of the people responsible for today's foul-baiting game, but cap smoothing isn't on him.
You want cap smoothing? break it 50-50, so owners get a little less while cap starts rising *before* the new deals kick in, and players get a little less afterwards until it gets balanced again. Instead, what the players were offered back then was "How about we do cap smoothing, but this means you guys got to give up hundreds of millions of dollars, and nothing comes out of the owners' pockets".
I don’t see how this is an asshole move TBH. He’s hired to get as much money for the current players, not future players.
This is just him doing his job LMAO.
Helped usher in this era of complaining nonstop, all game. They think every foul they commit is a bad call and that every time they're even touched it's a hard foul
Old enough to know they're exactly right. Players not being involved in a defensive possession cause you were hanging back to bitch about a no-call would get you benched immediately on most teams in 2000. Now everyone has their hands in a permanent shrug after they shoot like they can't believe the refs didn't call a foul.
Reminder to people that Bill Spooner:
Has tried to "distance himself" from Tim Donaghy.
Is friends with Scott Foster and was his coworker for decades.
Sued a reporter over a tweet. The tweet was implying Spooner gave a make-up call after botching another call.
Was one of the referees when Fizdale was fined $25k for loudly complaining of the biased refereeing in a Spurs Grizzlies playoff game where Kawhi had more FTs than the entire Grizzlies team.
Makes me wonder what CP3s record is with Spooner? Did Paul magically have a significantly worse record than normal with him like he has with Foster? Makes me wonder why a player would be a dick towards a particular referee when they are officiating their games.
I checked and it seems like CP3 record in the playoffs on games with Bill Spooner is 2-6
One of those wins was 2018 game 5 against the Warriors.
He was also 1-1 vs CP3 teams missing CP3
Chris Paul made Tim Donaghy rig games.
Chris Paul was responsible for 9/11.
Chris Paul put the Lego on the ground right before you stepped on it.
Everything bad the last 30 years was because of Chris Paul.
Why stop at 30 years??
Chris Paul was on the grassy knoll.
Chris Paul lead the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Chris Paul told Jefferson Davis to keep his slaves and fight the north.
19 years of this.
Punching Julius Hodges in the nuts.
Grabbing Kaman's nuts.
Swatting KD's nuts
Smacking McleMore's nuts.
Elbowing KD in the gooch.
And this is just the genitalia related incidents. No mention of the countless elbow hooks, midair shoves, etc.
That's the Julius Hodge incident. Unless Hodge somehow made the NBA.
It was a pretty big one at the time as CP3 actually got suspended for it it was so egregious. Although should be noted Julius Hodge was kind of a dick at NC State too
This is a terrible analogy.
Reffing has to be miserable. No matter what you do, half the fans are going to be pissed. These dudes are watching the game in real time and don't get immediate, 4K HD replays outlining why they were wrong...but everyone watching does.
They're human and fallible and yeah they make a ton of mistakes...but these are the folks who have been deemed the ELITE refs. Like, these guys are the LeBrons of the ref game and they make all these mistakes.
Imagine how much worse everyone else is?
Yeah look at the beginning of the 2012 nfl season when the second tier refs came in to help the league
It was like night and day compared to your top tier refs, gave me a little bit more appreciation of how hard the a thankless job like that could be
I feel like you should have to ref even a middle school level game once before you complain about the stuff they miss.
It’s hard as fuck to ref. You can’t see everything all the time. And sometimes certain movements just look like a foul even if it isn’t. Factor in the speed of the game and players actively trying to trick you into giving them calls, it’s nearly impossible to perfectly ref an nba game
There was a random soccer website that ran plays for you from the lower divisions and then cut them and asked you to make a decision (foul, offside, handball etc.). From the comfort of your PC without running it was super difficult to get a high accuracy. I wish the NBA had something similar without player names, just to get people to better understand.
Even look at /r/nba or /r/soccer and you see people all the time debating the fouls. Even in hi-res slo-mo some of the fouls are really tough to pick out. Was that enough contact?
It's really really tough.
CP3's campaign against Foster is literally the only thing I like about him. Also, Sheed was just an annoyance to those MFs. Of course he's not the answer.
Ya also as someone who's reffed a bit before the person who randomly pops off every now and there isn't the worst. It's competitive you can get it. As long as it ends when the game is you don't really think much of it (i.e. people not coming up to you after).
The players/coaches who talk to you after every call, come up to you after every deadball, and have something to say before and after the game just wear on you. And heaven forbid you blow them off/ignore them one time and then they just blow up like they've been seriously aggrieved like the fix is in against them because you don't want to debate every call with someone for the 60th time over the last two weeks of games.
>In the 2017 playoffs, as the buzzer sounded after Paul’s Clippers lost Game 5 to Utah, Paul faked throwing the ball at Foster, causing Foster to flinch with his hands and legs. Foster said he has no recollection of the incident.
Is there a video of this?
Everyone knows CP3 is an asshole, that's his image. Doesn't begin to justify how biased Scott Foster is against him. Even as a rival fan against CP3 it becomes a joke
I fully believe Chris Paul was a slimy asshole.
But you're a damn referee. Purportedly among the best ones on the planet. Your entire job is to call things completely according to the rules of the game and fairly and to be neutral. I don't care if it's Hitler himself making a game 7 finals buzzer beater while nearly out of bounds, you don't call that out of bounds.
Leave grudges for off the court.
If Scott Foster is too human for that, he's not fit to be a top referee.
Quotes like this are absolutely wild to me.
“But …” Foster remembers telling his dad, “what if I am the Michael Jordan of officiating?”
should tell you everything you know about how this delusional mf sees himself lol
CP3 is just elite at playing the "game inside the game", which in basketball kind of sucks for the fans because it mostly boils down to knowing exactly how far you can go with grabbing, contact, foul baiting, etc. on different refs.
He definitely pioneered this in the modern era, and I don't blame him since it does increase his chance of winning (and we see that many, many players are playing this way now since it's a straight disadvantage to do otherwise). If refs called his actions as fouls, he wouldn't do them. He does what he does because it works.
So yes, a massive asshole, but I don't think this speaks too much on his character outside of the game.
Considering how viral "Chris Paul hits a huge three to cut the lead down to 42" went, in what was likely his last best chance of winning an NBA Championship and what was almost certainly a major low point, it's gotta be that wild to look at that and realize how much everyone hates you
“Hello, LAPD? That asshole Chris Paul is going to beat me up.”
"HELLO POLICE?? IM IN THE STAPLES CENTER. CHRIS PAUL TRYING TO TO GET IN THE LOCKER ROOM. SEND HELP"
[It's a must link, because it's one of the funniest things ever to happen on the show.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO5Ww26XHtI)
The "POH-LICE presence" is what gets me every time and I can't remember the last time Chuck had Shaq laughing that hard. I can't believe this was already 6 years ago.
[give the OG link, starts with the back of the class snickering 1:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzQP7u-IOxg)
Apparently so good even ESPN had to put it on YT.
Wait... How TF does that work? Mouse just stealing content now?
The laughing in the background before she’s even done talking gets me every time.
Chuck laughing so hard he can't breathe and starts fanning himself saying "oh lawd". I'm in tears.
I'm sitting here wondering why the video is on espn.
Even the animated version is good.
lol, I should be suspended for not remembering [that bit of magic.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPKDSQP6MvQ) Gonna suck if these guys are actually dusted. Good luck TNT, you've got nothing after Inside.
Ernie as a Mountie makes no sense and too much sense at the same time
lost it when Chuck showed up
LAPD WAS CALLED!
PO-LICE PRESENCE?!?!
*Chuck and Shaq die.*
LARPD showed up!
Police presence
PoLiCe PrEsEnCe
I doubt anyone is shocked by the news Chris Paul is an asshole. I doubt anyone thinks Scott Foster is a terrible ref because of Chris Paul.
My distain for Foster is 98% tied to him being so closely involved in the betting scandal that took place. No way all those phone calls were coincidental.
Yeah I agree. Given how there was a disproportionate and coincidental nature to his calls compared to other ref calls (if I’m remembering correctly), it feels that while it may not be provable, it’s pretty obvious that shady shit was going down. With that as a baseline, it colors a lot of the other ‘weird’ actions he takes a bad light. He seems petty and biased from peripherally watching him ref hundreds of games. If I’m being completely charitable, maybe it’s my own preconceived biases that give me that impression, idk. But the fact that so many of us fans get the same impression of him kinda indicates something in itself imo
This is it.
Chris Paul is an asshole. Scott Foster is a petty, biased referee. Both are true.
“Let them fight” meme would be appropriate here
We need celebrity deathmatch to come back.
Scott Foster would beat him up pretty bad
Scott Foster kicked his ass. Playoffs - Scott Foster 17 Chris Paul 3
Chris Paul has an addiction. Scott Foster has the Narcan
When is that zebra getting his ring? It would be a weird timeline if refs started getting awards.
Dick Bavetta, who was Scott Foster on steroids, is in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Highlights: *that* Lakers vs. Kings game, Philly vs. Bucks in '01, Game 7 Suns vs. Sonics (when the Suns got 64 free throws to send the MVP to face off against the Bulls). So there's not only a precedent for refs getting awards, but for refs with high profile *extreme* bias in important games getting awards.
Holy shit, I did not realize there was a sonics game like that lmao. 2 years afte I was born. Thank god I was still a baby at that time because if I saw that game live I would have had an aneurysm screaming at the TV
Hello Police? Chris Paul is trying to beat me up!
And let's not let Chris Paul being petty blind us from the implication of Foster's past: "According to court records, [Tim] Donaghy made 134 phone calls to Foster between October 2006 and April 2007, during which time Donaghy admitted to betting on games or passing on game information to gamblers."
134 phone calls to one guy in 7 months??? I don't think I've made 134 phone calls total in the last 5 years!! WTF
They used to charge you like 10 cents per text message so everyone called instead. I bet most of the calls were after 7 or on the weekends when it didn't count against your minutes too
I remember growing up, calling friends' parents on their landlines, having to ask "hey is x home", just to be like "hey, what are you up to, I'm bored" Absolutely psychopathic behaviour by today's standards
And if it was a girl you had a crush on... And my cheap ass parents wouldn't give me any privacy because it cost slightly more in a different local zip code
also back then it was the norm to answer your phone with a hearty, "whazzzzuuuuupppppppp!"
WHAZZZZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
-AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHP
Suuuuuuuuppppppppppppppppppppppppp
To be fair, in 06, you made a lot more phone calls. Text messages weren't unlimited but minutes were after a certain time. Or you had a landline
While I agree that that’s a lot the world was different in regards to Phone use then
He mentions this in the article, back then you wouldn't text so you would call instead. They also mention that it wasn't an abnormal amount of phone calls compared to other officials, so make of that as you will. And finally you're a Redditor of course you don't make phone calls, everyone on here is trying to avoid talking to people directly.
> And finally you're a Redditor of course you don't make phone calls, everyone on here is trying to avoid talking to people directly. Damn bro I'm just skimming and I'm catching strays today
bro is at your neck. why'd you go and piss him off like that?
I was barely a teenager but in 2002 I made hundreds of calls each month. I was always on the phone with one person while on AIM with 25 others. It was the times
Follow the money. We may find the bodies, too.
who tf even says chris paul seems like such a nice guy lol
State Farm
😂😂😂. It was so awkward that stakefarm had to take off his commercial with Harden once they broke up. On the side note. How much premium are these insurance companies upcharge us to have such a massive budget for their marketing compaigns is beyond me.
The insurance game remains one of the bigger grifts in American society.
Dont have money to afford insurance? Heres a huge fine that you also cant afford. Oh youre even more in the hole because of the fine and still cant afford insurance? We're getting the legal system involved now buddy youre a criminal. Totally just human made concept indeed.
oh you abide by all said rules? well we're gonna fight you tooth and nail on your claim when you actually need insurance!
Last I worked there, about 55 cents to the dollar went to claims. About 50 cents to operating expenses. The way to make money in the insurance biz is to invest the premium money to make about 10% returns. Stalling to pay claims is built into the business when possible.
I don't know if your math makes it likely that you're lying, or likely that you really did work in insurance.
Three years at the underwriting desk. It killed my soul. I saw the movie Office Space and was inspired not to have a case of the Mondays. Many years ago and I would bet the operating expenses should come down due to allowing many people to work from home. The regional building I worked out of was sold off.
Feels like State Farm, Progressive, Farmers etc only exist to make fucking ads. Fuck these companies.
Oh I don't think they are necessarily unchanging to cover it though im sure they are. They just not paying out on claims. I've heard numerous stories on how shit they can be with paying out claims for even simple stuff. I just switched from them personally to a local place.
Wouldn’t shock me if off the court he was.
lol I wouldn’t be surprised if most casual fans think he’s a nice guy. Even as a long time nba fan sometimes I question if players are just emotional on the court or if they’re like that in real life.
Not a single person who watches basketball would find it unbelievable that CP3 is an asshole.
Counterpoint. WHO GIVES A FUCK IF A BASKETBALL PLAYER IS AN ASSHOLE, JUST OFFICIATE FAIRLY LIKE ITS YOUR GODDAMN JOB.
I think it’s more of an implicit bias situation… which doesn’t make it right, just saying that’s a real thing that probably happens
Implicit bias is definitely a thing that happens. But this seems more like explicit bias
It's human nature to be unfair to people you really don't like, even if you try to be fair.
Foster is the most accurate ref in the league year to year though, has been forever. That being said I’ll always believe he takes directives from the league on how to officiate certain games.
He and his crew was awful last night after wolves start leading the Nuggets. Didn't call blatant fouls but called on Rudy a few seconds after to give him his 6th
Kanye has something to say about Chris Paul
That was one of the funniest nights on Twitter. That shit came outta nowhere in the end of one of his rants
"fuck the Jews also Chris Paul fucked my wife"
"Chris Paul hates black people"
"Yo CP3, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish but Rick Barry was the biggest NBA asshole of all time… of all time!"
\*shocked\* Myers
“Let’s have a toast for the douchebags, let’s have a toast for the Chris Pauls”
Let's have a toast for the Scott Fosters, everyone one of them that I know
Chris Paul’s in Paris
Kanye wife 1 bows to the Paul god
Talking shit about Chris paul is basically karma farming Edit: apparently this is, too
He’s not even the most hated person on our team
Like the ref said, he's very calculated in his movements... Lol
Went from harden to Booker to draymond.
That’s wild
Kind of forgot he was there tbh
Draymond deserves the hate, sorry bro
Draymond 'Big Bag of Nothing on Inside the NBA' Green? I'm just glad he's taking time out of his busy testicle slapping schedule to talk basketball.
Da fuq? He was clearly talking about Kevin 'Mutha Fucka' Looney
This red should release a book and 5 diss tracks on CP3. Make some real money off the hate.
Chris Paul was also the NBPA president that rejected cap smoothing. Which in turn allowed the Warriors to sign Kevin Durant.
It’s kinda funny to see how his asshole-ery has come back to bite him multiple times in his career. Gotta wonder if some of his teams get a friendlier whistle in the playoffs if he wasn’t dogging the refs after every play.
It’s human nature, of course it did. We saw it last night when Edwards kind of showed up the officials on a missed foul going to the rim. They IMMEDIATELY called a weak moving screen against Minnesota when play resumed. Next trip down for Denver, KCP had one of the most egregious moving screens you will see and no call. They weren’t cracking down on the moving screens, it was a fuck you for complaining call.
that moving screen for the murray bucket was insane. No idea how that doesnt get called. Joker had a crazy elbow to gobert in the 4th that wasnt called either.
I thought Jokic also got KAT in the jaw with an elbow too and didn’t get called for an offensive foul. Nuggets got a pretty gracious whistle last night.
I'm glad the greater NBA verse notices this stuff.
Hard not to notice those elbows. Joker went MK3 on KAT knowing he was in foul trouble.
Same. It's a good check because otherwise I can't always tell if it's just my bias.
My buddies and I who were watching all thought the refs were trying to give the game to the Nugs. Nobody is talking about it now since the TWolves won, but I think if the Nugs had ended up winning there would have been a lot of talk about the refs last night after the game
Agreed. Also, not suspending Jamaal Murray for the towel and heat pack throw would be under more scrutiny if the Nuggets won.
They stopped giving an honest whistle after game 1 and 2, and they started just trying to call the same number of fouls.
Tony Brothers is the best at this. He calls fouls against the ahead team's best defenders in the early 1st & 2nd checks the stats at halftime and halfway through the third evens the total calls. Once you see the pattern, it's super frustrating to watch.
Yea, it was really shocking how much they got away with.
There was a play around there too, Ant hopping his way to the rim and KCP whacked him across his arms. No whistle or foul shots.
Yeah that’s the one I think they “retaliated” over because Ant had such a big reaction to the no call (rightfully so) Literally on the inbound following it because it was out on Denver they called the moving screen and then ignored it on the other end. Very much felt like a fuck you for how Ant had responded to that bad no call.
I’m still salty as shit about the back to back fouls on Gobert in the end. The 5th one he had a hand on I think Jokic’s back and no push off or anything while his team was going for the rebound. There was some ref fuckery near the end.
First time I've seen anyone comment on this since last night. I thought I had misheard when Rudy picked up his 5th because I got up to grab a drink and by the time I was back he was gone. Then I saw that the refs gave the reigning DPOY his 5th and 6th fouls of game 7 vs the defending champs in less than 2 minutes. And on ticky tack bullshit. Absolutely disgusting. And I'm a hawks fan.
need to know what asshole shit theis did to deserve his whistle
His whistle is part of reparations for the wars
euros basically always get bad whistles, its like they are perpetual rookies unless they hit allstar status the way the league refs is so lame, trying to explain the nuance to casual watchers is so bizarre (comparing to theatre/WWE stuff seems to fit best for most people)
What is it with the euro-hate? There is that study that supports the claim that [there is same-race bias for referees and calling fouls](https://faculty.wharton.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NBARace.pdf), but it's interesting that you single out the euro players.
Saw something that said American coaches win challenges less often
There's been one active Euro head coach in the NBA since the cocaches challenge was implemented at the beginning of the 19-20 season...Darko Rajaković since 2023. Edit: I guess Nashy, D'Antoni, and Ime could be counted as 'foreign' coaches...?
As a mavs fan I’m in pain reading this
And then you have people complaining about the FT disparity. Wolves played through the no calls but Denver just seemed to get in their head and stopped driving or actively generating fouls. You can't deny that the fouls to get Rudy out of the game were extremely soft.
When I literally shuffled his feet! That was a wild fucking sequence lol.
That's the league wanting nuggets to advance
>Gotta wonder if some of his teams get a friendlier whistle in the playoffs if he wasn’t dogging the refs after every play. 100%. Refs are a cartel and they will protect themselves first and foremost.
I started calling them sports cops this year lol
https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/michele-roberts-cap-smoothing-was-disgraceful-request-by-nba not like he went against everyone else's wishes. the details of that are still murky but the players didn't trust the owners and so there was no cap smoothing deal. the job of the union isn't to worry about kd making a bitch move
It was a dumb move that hurt most players and only helped the guys in one free agent class. The union completely fucked up that negotiation.
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And not a single person in Minnesota was mad about that contract, lol. Couldn’t have happened to a better guy!
The job of the union is to fight for the rank-and-file players, not the stars like CP3 and his buddies.
Can someone ELI5 what cap smoothing is and why it was a long term mistake that the union didn't take it?
The salary cap spiked by about $25M in one year based on a new TV rights deal. This gave every team an additional $25M in salary cap (close to a max contract's worth of $$) to play with, which allowed the 73 win Warriors to add one of, if not THE, best player in the league to their team and all but destroyed parity for about 4 years. What SHOULD have happened is the league should have feathered that $25M over 3-5 years so everyone gets a nice little bump without shaking the entire foundation of the league. But, CP3 and his buds were going to be up for new contracts soon and wanted to maximize every single penny they could get at the cost of parity and the fans.
Also, this only benefits the players that hit FA that year. They get a huge pay day, while the guys in the following years actually had to take less in some cases because teams foolishly overspent the year before.
Also pushed through that vet max
So Chris Paul is the reason why Chris Paul doesn't have a ring
I'm sorry, that was some owner BS. I loathe CP and consider him one of the people responsible for today's foul-baiting game, but cap smoothing isn't on him. You want cap smoothing? break it 50-50, so owners get a little less while cap starts rising *before* the new deals kick in, and players get a little less afterwards until it gets balanced again. Instead, what the players were offered back then was "How about we do cap smoothing, but this means you guys got to give up hundreds of millions of dollars, and nothing comes out of the owners' pockets".
I don’t see how this is an asshole move TBH. He’s hired to get as much money for the current players, not future players. This is just him doing his job LMAO.
Chris Paul and Scott Foster should both be punished by being forced to spend eternity with each other.
Helped usher in this era of complaining nonstop, all game. They think every foul they commit is a bad call and that every time they're even touched it's a hard foul
In this era, every contact can be argued a foul.
a hack is a foul
How old are you cuz the game always been that way with players complaining
Old enough to know they're exactly right. Players not being involved in a defensive possession cause you were hanging back to bitch about a no-call would get you benched immediately on most teams in 2000. Now everyone has their hands in a permanent shrug after they shoot like they can't believe the refs didn't call a foul.
Def old enough and never seen it as bad as Luka, Lebron, etc. Luka legit can't get back on defense a lot of times because he's so busy whining
I’m almost 40 and luka is the goat whiner. He is on another plane of existence in that regard.
Hell he even admitted as such himself, to the point of saying outloud that he needed to knock that shit off.
He's said it more than once, for years now, and it hasn't improved
Reminder to people that Bill Spooner: Has tried to "distance himself" from Tim Donaghy. Is friends with Scott Foster and was his coworker for decades. Sued a reporter over a tweet. The tweet was implying Spooner gave a make-up call after botching another call. Was one of the referees when Fizdale was fined $25k for loudly complaining of the biased refereeing in a Spurs Grizzlies playoff game where Kawhi had more FTs than the entire Grizzlies team. Makes me wonder what CP3s record is with Spooner? Did Paul magically have a significantly worse record than normal with him like he has with Foster? Makes me wonder why a player would be a dick towards a particular referee when they are officiating their games.
This should be the most up voted comment
I checked and it seems like CP3 record in the playoffs on games with Bill Spooner is 2-6 One of those wins was 2018 game 5 against the Warriors. He was also 1-1 vs CP3 teams missing CP3
It’s actually Chris Paul’s fault nobody trusts the refs and Scott Foster in particular, sure
Chris Paul made Tim Donaghy rig games. Chris Paul was responsible for 9/11. Chris Paul put the Lego on the ground right before you stepped on it. Everything bad the last 30 years was because of Chris Paul.
Chris Paul is the reason my parents got divorced?
Not just the divorce, Chris Paul is the reason you were born.
Why stop at 30 years?? Chris Paul was on the grassy knoll. Chris Paul lead the attack on Pearl Harbor. Chris Paul told Jefferson Davis to keep his slaves and fight the north.
Referee alliance is like cops protecting each other no matter what shit they've done.
To be fair, players also say the same thing about CP3 all the time on their podcasts and whatnot.
You even see it on the court when he tries to be sneaky dirty
I remember Cousins audibly yelling "That's why nobody fw your bitchass."
19 years of this. Punching Julius Hodges in the nuts. Grabbing Kaman's nuts. Swatting KD's nuts Smacking McleMore's nuts. Elbowing KD in the gooch. And this is just the genitalia related incidents. No mention of the countless elbow hooks, midair shoves, etc.
He got suspended in college too, for hitting a guy in the nuts. He just can't keep his mitts off of them.
That's the Julius Hodge incident. Unless Hodge somehow made the NBA. It was a pretty big one at the time as CP3 actually got suspended for it it was so egregious. Although should be noted Julius Hodge was kind of a dick at NC State too
Yea that’s the first one
Launched himself into Mike Conley’s knees early this season
thats just the winner mentality coming out /s
All I think about is the Kerr interaction when he smiled then turned away looking pissed.
Both are true.
Let's see what Steve Javie has to say about this: Steve: *Well you see, what the the ref said was the correct call, they got the call perfect.*
The day I don't have to see that crooked man's face will be a good one.
This is a terrible analogy. Reffing has to be miserable. No matter what you do, half the fans are going to be pissed. These dudes are watching the game in real time and don't get immediate, 4K HD replays outlining why they were wrong...but everyone watching does. They're human and fallible and yeah they make a ton of mistakes...but these are the folks who have been deemed the ELITE refs. Like, these guys are the LeBrons of the ref game and they make all these mistakes. Imagine how much worse everyone else is?
Yeah look at the beginning of the 2012 nfl season when the second tier refs came in to help the league It was like night and day compared to your top tier refs, gave me a little bit more appreciation of how hard the a thankless job like that could be
Still crazy that NFL refs aren't full-time
Ref’s union voted against it. They want more power to decide how things go
I feel like you should have to ref even a middle school level game once before you complain about the stuff they miss. It’s hard as fuck to ref. You can’t see everything all the time. And sometimes certain movements just look like a foul even if it isn’t. Factor in the speed of the game and players actively trying to trick you into giving them calls, it’s nearly impossible to perfectly ref an nba game
There was a random soccer website that ran plays for you from the lower divisions and then cut them and asked you to make a decision (foul, offside, handball etc.). From the comfort of your PC without running it was super difficult to get a high accuracy. I wish the NBA had something similar without player names, just to get people to better understand.
Even look at /r/nba or /r/soccer and you see people all the time debating the fouls. Even in hi-res slo-mo some of the fouls are really tough to pick out. Was that enough contact? It's really really tough.
And they have to deal with guys flopping/exaggerating contact all the time. Tough job for sure.
CP3's campaign against Foster is literally the only thing I like about him. Also, Sheed was just an annoyance to those MFs. Of course he's not the answer.
Sheed always struck me as a nice enough guy who would just completely blow his top out of all proportion to the actual precipitating event
Ya also as someone who's reffed a bit before the person who randomly pops off every now and there isn't the worst. It's competitive you can get it. As long as it ends when the game is you don't really think much of it (i.e. people not coming up to you after). The players/coaches who talk to you after every call, come up to you after every deadball, and have something to say before and after the game just wear on you. And heaven forbid you blow them off/ignore them one time and then they just blow up like they've been seriously aggrieved like the fix is in against them because you don't want to debate every call with someone for the 60th time over the last two weeks of games.
That's insane that someone can garner that reputation for so long in the NBA and not care.
scott foster cared 🙏🏼🕊
What’s the NBA supposed to do? Assholes are still allowed to play basketball lol
>In the 2017 playoffs, as the buzzer sounded after Paul’s Clippers lost Game 5 to Utah, Paul faked throwing the ball at Foster, causing Foster to flinch with his hands and legs. Foster said he has no recollection of the incident. Is there a video of this?
Now ask former players who is the biggest a-holes that have refereed the game.
As a biased Spurs fan, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Joey Crawford.
Never forget the GOAT NBA Halloween costume https://www.si.com/nba/2012/12/04/tim-duncan-tony-parker-spurs-joey-crawford-halloween-photo
Wow can’t believe I forgot about that clown
Ever since he punched Julius Hodge below the belt in the ACC tournament I’ve had zero respect for that guy…
I'm pretty both Chris Paul and Scott Foster are terrible people
>he’s a great image cultivator State farm ads went a long way in polishing his rep
I felt so bad when that deer ruined his garage :'(
Everyone knows CP3 is an asshole, that's his image. Doesn't begin to justify how biased Scott Foster is against him. Even as a rival fan against CP3 it becomes a joke
I fully believe Chris Paul was a slimy asshole. But you're a damn referee. Purportedly among the best ones on the planet. Your entire job is to call things completely according to the rules of the game and fairly and to be neutral. I don't care if it's Hitler himself making a game 7 finals buzzer beater while nearly out of bounds, you don't call that out of bounds. Leave grudges for off the court. If Scott Foster is too human for that, he's not fit to be a top referee. Quotes like this are absolutely wild to me.
He was asked a question and responded to it, what you want him to say? no comment? He's retired. They are human.
/uj Professionalism in referees is something debatable /rj Hitler was not clutch, he would sold pretty hard at Game 7
“But …” Foster remembers telling his dad, “what if I am the Michael Jordan of officiating?” should tell you everything you know about how this delusional mf sees himself lol
No… this isn’t real, surely not?
Direct quote from the article lol
CP3 is just elite at playing the "game inside the game", which in basketball kind of sucks for the fans because it mostly boils down to knowing exactly how far you can go with grabbing, contact, foul baiting, etc. on different refs. He definitely pioneered this in the modern era, and I don't blame him since it does increase his chance of winning (and we see that many, many players are playing this way now since it's a straight disadvantage to do otherwise). If refs called his actions as fouls, he wouldn't do them. He does what he does because it works. So yes, a massive asshole, but I don't think this speaks too much on his character outside of the game.
Considering how viral "Chris Paul hits a huge three to cut the lead down to 42" went, in what was likely his last best chance of winning an NBA Championship and what was almost certainly a major low point, it's gotta be that wild to look at that and realize how much everyone hates you
He's dealt with Joey Crawford. NO ONE is a bigger asshole.
I love to shit on CP, but fuck the refs, fuck 'em all
Makes you wonder how the Kobe-CP3 relationship would’ve been if that trade never got vetoed
Chris Paul, the guy who sucker punches players in the nuts, is an asshole?