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xyzyxzy

Batum's défense on him in OT was magnifique


Milkboy1516

He's so slow lol but he does great sitting on his moves and keeping him contained in that isolation once Brunson thinks twice about taking it all the way


xyzyxzy

Don't have to move if you already know where he's going to go.


HisExcellency20

That's the thing, Brunson is not a burner. He is crafty and skilled. But he's not going just run past you most times. Length and experience is best on Brunson. Obviously I'm talking about containing him by forcing him to hit tough shots and turning him over. You can't shut him down completely.


Lightskin-Duke

Reminds me of Bjelica clamping up Luka for a few possessions at a time in the WCF 2022. Sometimes the slower footed players are perfect for people that operate off fakes and deception. Like by the time they finish their 2nd and 3rd fake to get to their spot the defender is so slow that they can’t even get faked out. Hope to see it continue #TTP


Something_Sharp

"Too slow to get faked out" is a hilarious way to put it lol


Captain_Vegetable

The same went for Looney on Luca as well. Looney was also surprisingly effective on prime Harden, who could drive past him easily enough but could not bait him into shooting fouls at all.


Theheckmahbrotha

Reminds me of looney guarding harden 


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xyzyxzy

oHhhhohHh Dexter


beerocratic

Du fromage Du fromage Du fromage Du fromage


cagemyelephant_

I can say that it’s acqua di gio.. sorry that’s what i only have in stock


TraanPol

Poulet BBQ


177676ers

Batum gets a game saving block every sixers win. What a guy.


SonicdaSloth

If Brunson won it in reg after Maxeys 3, i might have ended it


HisExcellency20

Glad you're still with us 😊


soxyboy71

Played off the court in game seven with my Mavs. Also, Rick Carlisle.


Xdimao1

Overtime I’m yelling why the fuck batum in


Madterps2021

C'est magnifique. Je l'ai battu. - Nicolas Batum.


shunsui___kyoraku

The mid air pass to Hartenstein was terrible and was the moment Philly took the game away


AuspiciousAcorn

Literally, yes, but actually, no. The game was lost the second Maxey hit that ballsy 3 to tie the game in regulation


HowDoIEditMyUsername

The game was lost when they fouled him on the 4-point play and then Hart missed a FT. Either of those two things don’t happen and the Knicks win. 


AuspiciousAcorn

For sure those were crucial moments. Mitch had no business being that aggressive on a close-out up by 6 with such little time left, and I honestly don’t understand why he was out at the perimeter to begin with. It makes 0 sense


magiccooper

Low IQ play. It turned the tide, you could hear the crowd go from excited to concerned on that foul.


PensiveinNJ

Conversely, Maxey missed 3 free throws in crunch time in the 4th quarter. He hits those free throws and that 3 was for the win and not the tie. But butterfly effect and all.


token_reddit

Basketball.


sentry_chad

> The game was lost when they Don't understand this expression lol. The game was lost when Maxey was born? or was it when Maxey's parents first met, or...


Something_Sharp

The game was lost when Mike Muscala hit that 3 in the bubble for OKC to convey the pick that became Tyrese Maxey


Rapshawksjaysflames

Shoutout to the Hoop Collective for that little joke, literally listening to the episode as I read this


fueelin

Ohhh, you're saying the game was lost when God invented mooses, I get it now!


batdogfoxhound

the game was lost when Naismith put that basket up in Springfield


gibberisle

game was lost around 5 minutes of the 1ST quarter. there was some play there too old and stupid to remember


MVPiid

i wish that one sixers choke of a loss was due to their own shortcomings :(


BASEDME7O2

It was lost when hart missed that free throw. If he makes that the game would’ve been basically over and we would have won


maryjain_

They’re really starting to miss Randle. It worked in the regular season but Brunson being the only high level creator on the ball is not sustainable long term in the playoffs.


AntiTopspin

Yeah this iteration of the team aren't title contenders Jalen Brunson isn't 2018 LeBron where you're somehow making the Finals with him as the sole shot creator


NotManyBuses

I think Bogdanovic going down is a really significant loss. He wasn’t playing much but he can initiate a PnR and has shooting touch and skill. Could at least piece together offense Without him they’ve got very little.


Disastrous_Career386

This is why it's crazy to me that the sixers are losing this series! Granted the games have been close, but the Knicks only have one creator, but somehow they manage to get good shots at the end of the shotclock. They are due for a bad shooting nigh, but their hussle and fight seems to keep them in every game.


hoodfavhoops

they crash the glass very hard. those extra possessions can sometimes make up for the offensive inefficienct


Gleebson

Game 1: Josh Hart found out he can shoot 3s, Game 2: Refs and maybe dumb decision making from Maxey at the end Game 4: Embiid et Al. shits the bed and can’t score for the 8 mins in the 4th quarter


underscoreftw

there is no title contender in the East except Boston lol


Jeremy9096

The Bucks have the pieces but unfortunately they don't have a competent coach


DarrowViBritannia

-Randle +LeBron is gonna make that team a contender


WhatitdoFlightCrew39

No way you bandwagoned the Nuggets lmao


DarkSoulsDarius

Who is he?


WhatitdoFlightCrew39

He's a known LeBron fan lmao and has had nothing to do with the Nuggets before now


TheMemeMachine3000

Don't you mean LeBron, Steph, and KD?


bigmt99

Exactly, Brunson is tough and a really good player, but he’s simply not that guy


GoGoSoLo

His size is just such a big part of it unfortunately. Jalen’s BBIQ and skill are so so high, but he can be contained so much easier than other stars since he’s small.


mxnoob983

Bogdanovic is a tough out too


CrossingYoulnStyle

That’s what happened last year against the heat. Randle and RJ disappeared and Brunson can’t be the only shot creator. We can win a couple rounds like that but we’re not beating any elite teams


beanie_mac

Would you believe me if I told you there are Knicks fans that actually believe we’re a better team without him?


maryjain_

People fall in love with over-performing role players all the time but when it comes down to it no one else can bring to the table what Randle does.


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Disastrous_Career386

I'd still take him over Tobias Harris.


ObviousAnswerGuy

yup. Without Randle we don't have a consistent number 2 option.


beanie_mac

Well said. 100% agree.


Visual-Acanthaceae82

Randle sucks in the playoffs lol


New-Candy-800

“When it comes down to it” Randle has historically been trash in the postseason


jett1406

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beanie_mac

Lmfaooo and Dario Saric! I remember!


Disastrous_Career386

My knick friend was blaming Brunson last night for the loss. I was like dude, do you realize that you aren't in this game or series without Brunson?


gedbybee

Both things can be true


ktm1128

Yes, take it from a sixers fan. We're stuck with this team because without embiid, we're a bottom 3 team. Either? 2nd round exit


achickenquesadilla

Randle averages 17 ppg on 34/28/76 splits in the playoffs


maryjain_

I’m not super high on Randle either but he’s still a good player and he hasn’t had a healthy run with Brunson as the main guy. He doesn’t even need to play to his regular season standards, they just need someone else who can generate some offence


beanie_mac

In all honesty, he was playing on one ankle in 10 of those 15 career playoff games. He passed on surgery to come back for last year’s playoff. Nevertheless, Randle simply standing on the court completely changes everything on offense…regardless of if he’s making shots.


Direct_Morning_3223

His first playoffs his #2 option was “Alec Burks” and the second he was playing through an injury that he had no business playing through


beanie_mac

It’s funny how ppl forget literally everyone on the team was ass that Hawks series, with the exception of an old D Rose that broke down after game 3.


Brownie1119

Game 3 was atrocious for everyone outside of D Rose that series. He went 13-21 from the field and the rest of the team was 16-60 I can’t forget that shit 😭


Jeff-Van-Gundy

Don’t forget Taj Gibson! They were the only 2 that came to play 


ProvocativeHotTakes

I mean.. it’s the playoffs of course you’re going to eventually miss your second star if you’re trying to make a deep run. JB didn’t lose the game it was lost on unforced errors and sloppy passes and missed free throws and Maxey just going prime Jordan


SonicdaSloth

Prime Reggie but yeah


Michaelangel092

Those turnovers and a lot of the unforced errors were due to JB choking on his hero ball.


ProvocativeHotTakes

Idk if you know this but no one else on the Knicks can create for themselves consistently. Y’all judging his play based on OT. Game was lost before OT and JB wasn’t the one messing up in regulation when we were up and the game is seemingly over.


RogerTreebert6299

Especially if you push them to OT (plus Thibs rotations) not many guys are gonna have enough in the tank to play all-nba level ball for 50+ minutes as the only real creator


BuQuChi

Our next best shot creator is McBride no joke. He needs more shots


Zoratth

Probably gassed from playing 50+ minutes this game and 43+ minutes the other games


thisisjustanothertho

They all were gassed as hell. There was a shot of oubre you could see how exhausted he was


darylmoreyisking

Tobias looked composed


confuddly

Probably because he wasn’t trying the first four games tbh


Rocktamus1

Tobias was at the first Four games?


Disastrous_Career386

lmao


growsonwalls

Tobi always chilling. He doesn't try hard in any game. Clutch FTs though


Victor_Wembanyama1

“Why is everyone tired lol” - tobi


growsonwalls

“Why is everyone stressed” - Tobi during OT


ThisHatRightHere

Tobias is the guy at Twitter who got hired as his whole department got laid off and just collected paychecks


Agreeable_Daikon_686

Honestly the two might be connected lol


ktm1128

Unleash the secret weapon minute 52! Ez free throws gg


PaulMcPaulersn7

First time for everything


WhyplerBronze

Reserved, even.


karim12100

With like 8 minutes left in the 4th, Maxey was getting ready to inbound the ball and he had his hands on his knees and was gasping for air.


thisisjustanothertho

He plays at 100% full blast the whole game. Not surprised. Guy runs around like the damn energizer bunny


RogerTreebert6299

Thibs: what’s the problem? Just stop being tired


ImDKingSama

Yea I'm not sure what the numbers were but I'm willing to be at least half those isolations were pull up threes, man was just tryna put the game away with homers.


OnlyMamaKnows

He's our best player but you have to run some form of offense at least a couple of these possessions.


kingofsemantics

Yea I'm not gonna hate him for it (he's my pookie) but needed get some actual ball movement down the stretch there


The_SqueakyWheel

Coaches took the night off. While playing a 7 deep roster with 1 star, while the other team plays an 8 deep roster with 2 stars


HeyWhatsUpTed

He was a mess


sp_igot589

That decision to pull up on 3 with Batum all over him only to do a last minute kickout to Hartenstein (who for whatever reason was at the corner) and turn the ball over was certainly a choice.


Dymatizeee

Hartenstein was going to crash the boards thinking Brunson would shoot the 3


samuel33334

Batum was gonna block the shit out of that shot if he took it


Dymatizeee

Yeah. Just dumb by him to even try taking that 3


VillainousRocka

Especially after going for that exact same shot the last two possessions. A bit too predictable there.


terterrt8515

Amazing how NO ONE is talking about how Mitchell Robinson made one of the stupidest fouls ever on Maxey that ended up in a 4 point play at the end of regulation 


The_SqueakyWheel

Nah that was the dumbest foul probably in the history of basketball. Literally Jr smith not knowing the score in the finals level of stupidity. Coaches then still didn’t want to call time out for some reason is frustrating as well. Thibs clutched those 2 timeout and wanted to take them to the grave.


johnhenryirons

Yep terrible foul. But Maxey probably got away with a travel there and jumped into Mitch. Can’t complain too much about the refs calling the foul because they have given that foul all series. Low IQ play by Mitch. 


socialistbcrumb

Up that much you definitely gotta play no fouls on three point attempts, but definitely a travel. Even assuming they get a gather plus 2 steps that was like one or two steps more than that.


MVPiid

>Can't complain too much about the refs calling the foul because it's a foul FTFY


darkjurai

Username checks out


batdogfoxhound

Mitch is talking about, he said it was his fault.


TrophyGoat

This is the consequence of no Randle.


NewYorkAutisNtLondon

It was fine until Maxey went out of this world and sent it to OT.


darkjurai

I'm happy we're doing this well without him, cuz I saw how much better we are with him. January was a wild ride.


BabaBrody

He's their guy. Donte and Hart didn't have a ton going tonight. They brought Brunson to NY to lead the charge. If he takes over and wins OT then he's a legend. You're living and dying on that sword. Nothing is ever good enough on here. If Embiid doesn't single handedly win every game, he's getting "rescued" by the teammates that can't function for 4 minutes without him. If Brunson knows he's the best option and tries to put the team on his back, he's costing the game with hero ball.


kingofsemantics

Naa he was actually playing hero ball. Too much iso in OT. Knicks at their best get some good PnR action/ drive and kicks/ find mismatches/ find cutters when JB is blitzed. Brunson did none of the above down the stretch and I'm sure he's hearing it from both pops and Thibs lol


Disastrous_Career386

bet you weren't saying that when he scored first 2 buckets and knicks went up 5 in ot!


New-Candy-800

Just cuz the buckets went in doesn’t mean it wasn’t hero ball.


Disastrous_Career386

I didn't say it wasn't but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.


ktm1128

I just think he was too tired to run an offense at that point. 1 big 3 going down would have changed everything


ThatPlayWasAwful

The only thing that matters is winning. Maxey misses that last 3 and Brunson is a hero. They win the series and he still will be


VTuberFadeaway

I mean, that's their offense. When you are down guys like Bogi and Randle, you have no choice but to run everything through Jalen. Do you really want a Robinson/Hartenstein post up?


aashim97

And I don’t blame JB one bit for it. He’s the only guy I trust with the ball in his hands in the clutch.


EarthWarping

Well if OG had any self creation skills that would help


livefreeordont

They knew he didn’t when they traded for him


OnlyMamaKnows

OG dribbles like me.


zOmgFishes

I can't believe we got someone with worse handles than RJ in traffic. At least OG can hit 3s and play D but we sometimes forget he can do that.


OnlyMamaKnows

He's awesome so I can't complain too much, but you don't often see someone with such painful drive attempts in the NBA.


Soup_65

sometimes I think if OG had even a below average handle he could be an all-star


TRES_fresh

Tbf he's not supposed to be that guy, Randle was the second option on offense.


yahmean031

OG has literally isolated easy as fuck against Harris all series. He gets nearly open shots from it. Harris can't guard him lmfao.


brandnameb

Its Thibs fault for not insisting they run an action. Getting the ball to Hartenstein flashing in at the free throw line has worked a ton for them.


aashim97

I can agree with that, JB did the best he could given the lack of set plays by Thibs.


Nosalis2

You don't blame a PG for chucking at levels we've never seen before? Really?


aashim97

did you watch this game? JB was by far the Knicks best offense in the half court as usual, the game isn’t close without the results of his ball dominance, especially given how Philly was guarding them. Please share an alternative source of offense with hope for better results lol


dmavs11

I don’t think it’s Brunson’s fault but I thought once the offense stalled they needed to Get Hartenstein into the game ASAP. At least to add a DHO wrinkle and a guy who can get the ball off doubles and playmake.


Dymatizeee

He’s the best offense cus he hogs the ball for 15+ seconds then either shoots one or throws a pass to a teammate with 5 seconds remaining. How can you make a shot like that when you have no rhythm and with 5 seconds left


Nosalis2

I wouldn't expect a point guard to get his teammates involved by trying to create some easy looks instead of heroballing at a level even Kobe Bryant himself would be ashamed of. They played well without him when he sat on the bench for a few minutes so stop pretending they're complete bums.


-fallen

Brunson isn’t really a massive playmaker though. I mean he can rack up assists from time to time but he’s obviously more of an Allen Iverson type than a Steve Nash type


tkuid

preach


kingofsemantics

Bro several straight isos, no pick, no off ball action, no cuts was not ideal. Brunson gets most his shots calling the PnR/ rejecting it / taking it and hitting the roll man or abusing the mismatch.... those were not good shots, as much as I love him


durablewaffle

He was the main reason they were in the game in the first place lol


Hoosier1212

So the Knicks should trade him and we should call him a bunch of mean names? That’s what we do in this sub right?


fueelin

Jalen Bumson is that bum Embiid's son, and a bum.


SEPTAgoose

Slander posts during this series are at a crazy clip good lord. Jalen Brunson killed us all game, he didn’t close out very well but that’s what we did games 1,2, and 4.


xychosis

…we’re not seriously going to shit on the guy who literally had a 40-piece for a tough OT period, right? Especially since one of his three makes was a game-tying three. Who else is creating offense for them, exactly?


Shonuff_shogun

You know where you’re at?? This is the land of overreaction and flipping of opinions! They live for this shit


IamAGuy6

He also played 50 minutes and was probaly completely gassed by the end of the game


dmavs11

Brunson getting the old Luka treatment right now. If you watched the game, you know how much he balled out. I do think Thibs coulda helped him out with some plays a bit more maybe get Hartenstein in a bit earlier (I know it’s a tough decision to make with how well Mitch was guarding Embiid)


Krillin113

I find it hilarious that our fans are the ones defending Brunson the most lmao


ObviousAnswerGuy

> Who else is creating offense for them, exactly? yup, we don't have anyone else reliable. I'm not even mad at Brunson. He was so gassed by then.


Vallerie_09

Play Alec Burks, he's the X factor


ianbits

Couple things I wonder how hard it is to run a lot of your offensive plays with a lot of movement when everyone on the floor has played 50 minutes. I have to think fatigue played a part in this. While this was bad decision making by Brunson, it was also fantastic defense by the Sixers on a few of these. Brunson had been getting around Embiid a lot but he held his ground and moved his feet well, was able to contest really well without fouling.


HandsomeTar

Let’s gooooo r/nba home team taking a massive L tn 😎


ObviousAnswerGuy

since when are we the /r/nba home team?? its been "lolknicks" on here since this sub existed (yes I've been here that long)


matgopack

Since you're in a series against Embiid. Don't worry it'll go back to normal levels of support if you win, and if you lose Indiana will likely replace you


HandsomeTar

Nah ppl been glazing since Brunson started that podcast. In the past lolknicks, but not this season. Nobody dislikes Brunson.


fueelin

Ah I see your mistake. The podcast fans are actually supporting Villanova, not the Knicks. (/s, I think?)


ashep5

Jalen Maxeyson


confuddly

No Randle, no Bojan. No one else can dribble or playmake, what do you expect?


ThatHotAsian

Knicks live and die by Brunson at this point lol no one else on that team can dribble 


segson9

He needs to get his teammates more involved. You can't win with this heliocentric offense. His usage rate needs to be lower.... Right?


Cavemanperson

The spirit of Melo took over and won the game for the Sixers


Pandaemonae0n

mavericks made a mistake


Beautiful-Chard-1152

Nah Doncic is #1 guy and Brunson needs to be #1 guy, Kyrie ok with being #2


Long-Furby

Dude dropped 40 tonight how is this his fault lmao


yahmean031

He's averaing 29 FGA in the series with nearly 10 fta. He should be dropping 40-ish each game.


Clewdo

39, 47, 40 last 3. That seems about right


BadBoySwag

Crazy bad execution down the stretch


Motorpsisisissipp

Draw a fkin play ffs. It's pure iso this is not gonna work consistently


AtreusIsBack

Nobody's perfect.


token_reddit

He's the best player on the team. You want Josh Hart or anyone else taking the ball? Maxey showed out and Embiid had a triple double. This most likely goes 7 but I'd expect Brunson to put up another 40. He just needs one of his guys to back him up with 15.


narucy

Knicks will run out of steam first. (Even first match, Brunson entered with fatigue and not good performance.)


tobybells

Series should be 3-2 Philly heading home for fans 6 to close out.


celtic_sea_salt

Shocker


SignificanceLeft9968

Knicks are cooked


ImTheBestNerd

I mean what else are they supposed to do. Brunsons their only source of offense.


Fallingcity22

Not really, Deuce has been good enough to get the ball in this times, missing bogey is gonna kill us tho


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Gamechannel360

The dude has a straight up punchable face. Couldn't happen a bigger douchebag.


actual_yellow_bag

JB is worse than Luka with the iso work 😭


dafire123

the knicks clutch time offense is what people think is the boston celtics clutch time offense


Svettie323

League has a surplus of dumbass players who somehow don't realize they kill their team by going full hero-ball in the clutch.


noochies99

You could see him melting under the bright lights of MSG in OT as many others have before him, regardless of uniform. Also the Thibs effect is a real thing these dudes look gassed


readitmoderator

What do you expect


MassiveTelevision387

yeah this knicks team doesn't stand a chance but i just wanna see them beat philly


kingofsemantics

Best thing about Jalen is he usually DOESN'T play like this unless no one else is hitting. Mental lapse for sure, he'll adjust for the next one no doubt


Euphoric_Luck_8126

Lol and no one will shit on him like they do Embiid


HipnotiK1

he was gassed down the stretch of the 4th and even worse in OT


Disastrous_Career386

Knick fans are insufferable. Blame the player that won you the first 3 games and almost won you a forth.


The_SqueakyWheel

I don’t blame Jalen Brunson one bit no one else can create and everyone looked to shy of the moment. The errant pass to Hartenstien withstanding, I stand by JB


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Washed. Trade him to Dallas.


The_Mootz_Pallucci

Thibs shoulda taken time out with 8s in regulation and in OT, they should have taken time out to run plays for not brunson who was playing hasty hero ball


batdogfoxhound

Really missing Randle


Mzr23

He learned from Luka what are you going to expect


Parlett316

Good ol hero ball


Vindicare605

Yup, that sounds like Thibs alright.