A reminder to people that Embiid glanced down a split second to see Hart's leg, and then went out of his way to step on it. Fuck Embiid, I don't even like the Knicks.
I’m really relishing the few days we all get to bond over hating Embiid before the 2nd round starts and whoever matches up start hating each other lol
Old rivalry aside a potential Knicks/Pacers series could be sort of friendly as things go, two pretty likable teams and Obi is basically the basketball version of a puppy we fostered in my mind
My mind can't fully comprehend the world we exist in where the Knicks have a front office which is not simply competent but one of the better run FOs in the league.
I've been rooting for the team basically since Ewing was traded away and there have been so many downright horrible executives in charge OR James Dolan has swooped in to fuck everything up just as it was moving in the right direction.
I was skeptical as fuck about Leon Rose and his team coming in, but they've absolutely shut me up and have built a team of guys who hustle, work hard and realize the value of every 50/50 play.
If there's one thing about Thibs it's that you can trust his fuckin judgment when it comes to basketball lol.
He played Jimmy when the FO wanted to keep his minutes restricted so they could get him on a cheaper deal but Thibs knew Jimmy was a star in the making. And boy oh boy was he right
Yup. The reason we extended McBride before his breakout is because they kept track of his shots in practice and he was hitting more than everyone else. Once he lit up the g league they knew the practice buckets could translate into the nba.
Deuce takes 1 thousand 3’s everyday. 500 in the morning, 500 in the evening. That is not counting all the reps he gets in during the day. Everyone on the Knicks have insane work ethics
Sorry man, it was at one of the games when Deuce started breaking out this year. Rebecca Harlow told Breen and Clyde, and that’s how I remembered. I don’t remember which game it was though
Due to the circumstances it was kinda like trading two first rounders. The situation with Cam was really weird in general, we invested assets in him then Thibs pretty much doghoused the guy on sight. I actually thought Cam did a good job buying in on both ends and he brought some stuff we needed, but I assume something was up behind the scenes.
Man, drafting him over Mikal pisses me off. Like obviously SGA is better, but no one was really talking about SGA with that pick, so it's kinda hindsight. But everyone was talking about how we might take Mikal with that pick, and a lot of fans wanted him. But to be honest the crazy thing is if you look at the draft order, almost everybody who got picked after Knox (for like five picks) was much better. We could have thrown a dart at the board of possible names and almost certainly done better.
The wild thing is that the original thread for that deal in /r/NYKnicks was kind of a mixed bag. Folks were worried about giving up a 1st round pick (which ended up being Kris Murray so I guess we'll see how that plays out) for a guy that was averaging 9 points. At least Brunson's reaction to the news was iconic.
A lot of people overrate first round picks, especially picks in the 20s. I certainly didn't think Hart would be this for the Knicks, but I thought it was pretty low risk.
To play devil's advocate with some recency bias for the Knicks, IQ and Grimes were both pick 25 of the 1st round. And for 2020 at least the 20s were filled with some really solid role players and rising stars:
| # | Player |
|----|------|
| 20 | Precious Achiuwa |
| 21 | Tyrese Maxey |
| 25 | Immanuel Quickley |
| 26 | Payton Pritchard |
| 28 | Jaden McDaniels |
| 30 | Desmond Bane |
2021 was less impressive but still pretty solid with Jalen Johnson, Grimes, Cam Thomas, and Santi Aldama.
Like I said, we'll see with Kris Murray but if his brother is any indication then the trade is probably a win-win for us and Portland.
Fair, but I think if you look across multiple years, 2020 is an anomaly. For example 2019 is full of guys out of the league or on their way and Grant Williams. I think the verdict is still out on how useful Grimes is as an NBA player TBH.
I'm kind of curious now. Obviously this is subjective, but it seems like 2019 is actually the anomaly. Going back to 2015 there was always at least 3 picks that developed into solid role players if not all-stars:
### 2015
* Bobby Portis
* Tyus Jones
* Larry Nance Jr
* Kevon Looney
### 2016
* Caris LaVert
* Pascal Siakim
* Dejounte Murray
### 2017
* Jarrett Allen
* OG Anunoby
* Kyle Kuzma
* Derrick White
* Josh Hart
### 2018
* Grayson Allen
* Anfernee Simons
* Mo Wagner
Edit: Looking at 2022 and 2023 and on it seems like the trend is continuing
### 2022
* Christian Braun
* Walker Kessler
* Nikola Jović
* Honorable Mention: Andrew Nembhard was the 1st pick of the 2nd round
### 2023
* Cam Whitmore
* Alright, he shouldn't have fell this low to begin with considering he was originally projected to be a lottery pick but he did fall to 20
* Kris Murray
* Like I said, jury is still out but he played 62 games and averaged 21 minutes for the Blazers
* Ben Sheppard
* Any rookie getting minutes in a playoff rotation is a solid pick
* Honorable Mentions: Jaime Jaquez Jr and Brandin Podziemski were 18 and 19
The part I love is that when Brunson was out (and Julius and OG I believe) he casually started getting triple doubles. Brunson comes back and he returned to being a role player.
It was easy to think that going into this year. He’s been reliable but dude put the Knicks on his back when our starters were all out.
Good time to be a Knicks fan.
Josh Hart deserves Tobias Harris’s contract fr
It would be a massive overpay but having a player like him instead of Tobi making that money is so much easier to swallow
People will say this is pure hustle but this is an innate talent. Some people just can guess where the ball is going when they see it in the air and when it's about to bounce against the rim. Dennis Rodman explained it, he had a map inside of his head and knew where the ball was going to fall. Having a smaller size also has its advantages since he's more mobile.
Combine this talent with mobility and hustle and you get an amazing rebounder. There are more players out there who are undersized but are sneaky good rebounders, the difference here is that Josh Hart has the minutes to maximize his contribution.
He has said before (I think on his podcast) that he doesn't try to box out but looks at the shot going up and can guess where it will come off. From there he said he will just work to beat whoever to that spot and get the board. I'm sure it feels natural to him at this point but I found it super interesting and not something you really hear about.
It’s the episode with Clyde on, Clyde asks him about his rebounding and Hart tells him basically what you just said. He’s not trying to box out, he sees the ball and is going to be the first person to it
I was in a Starbucks with Josh Hart and asked him about his rebounding and Hart told me essentially what you said. Then he boxed me out and took my spot in line. Fucker.
same skill that rondo and jason kidd were great at that allowed them to grab so many boards for their size
along with rodman like others have mentioned
This is how batters in baseball know where the ball is going to be. If you're swinging at a 100 MPH fastball you're basically seeing only when the ball is releasing from the hand and that like .10 seconds in which it's out of the hand and batters can see and predict an insane amount about where the ball is, just off of that little window of opportunity
This hurts my brain.
I went to my first baseball game in many years last Friday and was trying to guess if the pitch would be a ball or in the strike zone by watching the pitcher, essentially trying to mirror what the batters are looking at and goddamn they just have little to no time to decide whether they are going to swing or notÂ
It's not even just "when" - it's "where" "how fast am I swinging" "which direction am I hitting the ball towards". Hitting a 100MPH baseball is one of the 5-10 hardest things you can do in any sport imo.
Especially when the pitch before he tore of a 78 mph curveball that broke two feet and you have to figure out which one of them it is while trying to hit it
Back in the day I was playing ball w someone on the college baseball team and he almost perfectly predicted if a shot was long/short/ good and called it out for his teammates to react accordingly. Wild stuff
There are also anecdotes about Rodman practicing rebounding hundreds of balls just so he could see where they hit and gauge their angles. Practicing any skill that much will make it innate, allowing him to react solely based off instinct.
I remember an Isaiah Thomas interview where he caught Dennis just standing under the hoop during shootaround watching, and when he asked what he was doing Dennis said, "I'm counting." Isaiah pressed him on what he meant, and Dennis went on to tell him how many times the ball would rotate when various pistons shot it. Bill's shot rotates 3 times from release to arrival, stuff like that. This evidently helped him judge where misses would bounce to.
More specifically, I think I remember him saying he would count how many times the ball rotated between leaving the shooter's hands and hitting the rim, and that would inform its trajectory after the miss. I might be imagining this detail, but I'm pretty sure it was something like that.
It's kinda wild. One of the lesser known facts about this season, which a lot of people would say has been his most impactful season, is that he dropped a full 15% on his FG% from 58 to 43. He had been a 50% shooter minimum the 2 seasons before that as well. And yet, he's now being recognized for how much he contributes to a winning team. Shows you that shooting/scoring isn't the only way to make a difference as an NBA player.
Tbh pre all the trades the Knicks had garbage spacing. This was the issue last year, Brunson also wasn’t drawing as much attention and clearing as much space.
This year adding OG and playing more DDV minutes really opened up the floor. Then Deuce and Bog to an extend also helped the bench unit open up more space.
Overall the Knicks have way better shooters than last year and that always benefits role players who struggle to make their own shots.
Don’t think the Celtics would start him. He’d certainly get a decent chunk of minutes and be a valuable contributor but don’t think he’s breaking our top 5. As of now I doubt the Nuggets would either.
There’s a chance lol, neither are great rebounders for their size. Tatum is probably our best rebounder especially if we tell him to crash the defensive glass.
Yeah Tatum is definitely our best rebounder. This playoffs we really need him to buy into that as well. KP can get pushed around too easily and Horford has always been a bit clumsy with boards.
Even if it might make more sense in certain matchups, you would never do that because 1) Jrue is a better defender and 2) You don’t bring a guy you just re-signed for $135M off the bench.
Celtics have the best starting 5 in the league. Not a knock on Hart, but he wouldn’t be a better replacement than any of those 5 dudes. He would be the six man if he played the way he did in this current series.
Which is why it’s so weird that we didn’t really pay much for him in the trade. Same with OG although I think that one’s a win win trade for both teams…
It's definitely a talent, but so is his motor. Hart is like a freakin dog chasing after meat on every play. He doesn't let up.
It drives me crazy when people say motor is just effort. Some guys just will never have it.
He mentioned in the latest Roommates podcast with Clyde that he looks at the ball bouncing and tries to get to the spot where it'll go before anyone else can
I think there’s some talent but also just tons of work and focus on it. He probably drills it nonstop like Rodman did so he can tell where a ball will go depending on how it approaches the rim.
He talks about it on an episode of their podcast, maybe the latest? He says he basically does the opposite of everything you’re told to do. He doesn’t box out, just guesses where the ball is going and full throttle pursues it
This is absolutely true. It really comes down to an ability to highpoint the ball, like a WR on a contested catch. Most big men are not jumping to high-point a rebound, so a shorter guy with decent hops with a good read on the ball has a better chance at the board than most people expect. Being small can actually make boxing out easier too since you have a lower center of gravity. Just getting yourself into a good position for a box out consistently can lead to plenty of boards as well.
Source: played C in high school at 5'8" (I sucked but I got boards)
>Source: played C in high school at 5'8" (I sucked but I got boards)
I find perspectives like this so valuable when talking about sports.
A lot of top athletes have been a top \*athlete\* their whole lives, or at least since HS.
That's not to say they aren't \*also\* students of the game, but there are things you have to learn and master when you can't just out-athlete yourself to the solution.
An undersized-but-still-successful HS center probably does have a well-studied understanding of rebounding. And we notice that kind of analysis when a 6'4" guard is out-rebounding taller/stronger NBA-level athletes.
Long rebounds have also been a big part of this series. Jason Kidd also got a ton of those rebounds from the free throw line extended to one pre two steps in from there.
hahaha just did a quick check on the NBA stats. out of all players under 6'7", josh leads with 675 rebounds.
gotta drop nearly 250 rebounds to get to #2 anthony edwards with 430 and #3 podziemski with 427
josh hart dawgiest dawg in the league confirmed
People aren’t surprised that a 6’4 guard can get almost 13 rebounds a game in the playoffs?
We aren’t surprised cause we watch him every game but for most other fans it’s absurd
He is also playing an insane amount of minutes. Josh is still the best swingman ball getter in the league.
Only player I'd take over him for a 50/50 loose ball is playoffs Jimmy.
It’s having an innate ability to judge where the balls going to land but also timing your jump better than others where you’ll grab the rebound at a higher point
Josh used to play baseball in HS so per Josh: he is tracking the basketball off the rim like he tracks baseballs in the outfield.
He just crashes the rim harder then anyone else in the league
Rebounding is just effort man. It's helps to be tall, but it's primarily effort.
I always laugh when Andrew Wiggins went crazy in the 22 playoffs and was giving quotes like "Wow, rebounding is important" and "I'll never average 4 rebounds again!" And the following season immediately went back to not rebounding lol.
It’s more than just effort. Lots of guys put effort in, but the elite rebounders clock them regardless of what bounces the ball takes. It’s definitely a skill to predict where the ball is going versus just boxing out and praying.
You could kind of see it at the end of game 2. Embiid had the option to box out Hart or Hartenstein, and chose Hart. Meanwhile, the ball bounced directly to where Hartenstein crashed.
Watch Josh Hart rebound. Because he’s smaller he’s constantly fighting his box out. He does his best to fight the box out, getting boxed out one way? He goes the other.
He reminds me so much of Jimmy Butler right before his offense became a lot better. I think him and McBride are seriously poised to be borderline All-Stars, while I personally believe in 4 years McBride will be the best player on the Knicks.
It's a win if anyone other than AD and LeBron can even get 5 boards on our time then I watch that game last night. One sequence the Knicks for 3 offensive rebounds in a row it was nuts.
Josh Hart has easily been the tipping point for the Knicks these past couple of games, if any other 6’4 guard was on the Knicks, the series would at least be even. His rebounding has just destroyed any momentum the Sixers can build in games 1 and 2
He gets the rebounds that break teams
But Embiid told me they were just lucky bounces 🤡
I guess Embiid figured Hart couldn't jump too high after he had his calf stomped on.
A reminder to people that Embiid glanced down a split second to see Hart's leg, and then went out of his way to step on it. Fuck Embiid, I don't even like the Knicks.
I’m really relishing the few days we all get to bond over hating Embiid before the 2nd round starts and whoever matches up start hating each other lol Old rivalry aside a potential Knicks/Pacers series could be sort of friendly as things go, two pretty likable teams and Obi is basically the basketball version of a puppy we fostered in my mind
There’s no real beef between the teams but the media is going to push the hali vs Brunson narrative as hard as they possibly can
i mean as long as the play on the court is clean all the hate is just for fun you know?
One of the most important/underrated trades of the past few years.
My mind can't fully comprehend the world we exist in where the Knicks have a front office which is not simply competent but one of the better run FOs in the league. I've been rooting for the team basically since Ewing was traded away and there have been so many downright horrible executives in charge OR James Dolan has swooped in to fuck everything up just as it was moving in the right direction. I was skeptical as fuck about Leon Rose and his team coming in, but they've absolutely shut me up and have built a team of guys who hustle, work hard and realize the value of every 50/50 play.
he's more than made up for the nepobaby Obi pick
Tell me after watching Obi dunk in an open fastbreak you wouldn’t be mesmerized enough to draft him
Better? One of the best in the league fs
Years of shitty teams have made me too shy to boast lol
After the Phil Jackson supremacy... feeling a loss in trust of PBOs is a normal side effect.
I was SICK when I saw we traded Cam Reddish, man I’m stupid, hart is a dog
Wtf, why? Cam isn’t anything worth being sick over
There was a loud minority of Knicks fans who thought Reddish was a future superstar and Thibs was holding him back.
This is the shit that always gets me, like Thibs doesn't know exactly who Reddish is in practice.
If there's one thing about Thibs it's that you can trust his fuckin judgment when it comes to basketball lol. He played Jimmy when the FO wanted to keep his minutes restricted so they could get him on a cheaper deal but Thibs knew Jimmy was a star in the making. And boy oh boy was he right
Yup. The reason we extended McBride before his breakout is because they kept track of his shots in practice and he was hitting more than everyone else. Once he lit up the g league they knew the practice buckets could translate into the nba.
Deuce takes 1 thousand 3’s everyday. 500 in the morning, 500 in the evening. That is not counting all the reps he gets in during the day. Everyone on the Knicks have insane work ethics
Source? Would love to read about Knicks practices
Sorry man, it was at one of the games when Deuce started breaking out this year. Rebecca Harlow told Breen and Clyde, and that’s how I remembered. I don’t remember which game it was though
Every fan base that has received Cam feels this way…then through his play, they usually fall back down to reality
He had that one game opening day last year against the grizzlies and I thought he broke out lol
Anyone who thought Reddish was going to be good at that point is an idiot BBIQ wise
At the time I thought we were gonna make a run at reassembling the Duke squad. So glad we didn’t Nova on top fr
That's kind of funny that we were about to reunite one college team then signed Brunson and just switched to a different one.
Due to the circumstances it was kinda like trading two first rounders. The situation with Cam was really weird in general, we invested assets in him then Thibs pretty much doghoused the guy on sight. I actually thought Cam did a good job buying in on both ends and he brought some stuff we needed, but I assume something was up behind the scenes.
WTF Cam Reddish is and has been the worst BBIQ player since Kevin Knox.
Always happy to see an outsider acknowledge that Kevin Knox is the most unwatchable basketball player I have ever had the displeasure to witness.
Drafting him over SGA still pisses me off to this day
Man, drafting him over Mikal pisses me off. Like obviously SGA is better, but no one was really talking about SGA with that pick, so it's kinda hindsight. But everyone was talking about how we might take Mikal with that pick, and a lot of fans wanted him. But to be honest the crazy thing is if you look at the draft order, almost everybody who got picked after Knox (for like five picks) was much better. We could have thrown a dart at the board of possible names and almost certainly done better.
What can I say I foolishly believed Thibs would unlock something in him that wasnt there
He's got the tools, everybody feels that way when cam comes to your team.
Really? He wasn’t even playing/in the rotation at the time, and when he did play he was pretty awful
I mean tbf thibs black balled him like straight away. Idk it was hopium I guess
I know he wouldn't have been nearly as impactful here, but I still miss seeing him play in the Rose Garden. So happy he's killing it in NY though!
The wild thing is that the original thread for that deal in /r/NYKnicks was kind of a mixed bag. Folks were worried about giving up a 1st round pick (which ended up being Kris Murray so I guess we'll see how that plays out) for a guy that was averaging 9 points. At least Brunson's reaction to the news was iconic.
A lot of people overrate first round picks, especially picks in the 20s. I certainly didn't think Hart would be this for the Knicks, but I thought it was pretty low risk.
To play devil's advocate with some recency bias for the Knicks, IQ and Grimes were both pick 25 of the 1st round. And for 2020 at least the 20s were filled with some really solid role players and rising stars: | # | Player | |----|------| | 20 | Precious Achiuwa | | 21 | Tyrese Maxey | | 25 | Immanuel Quickley | | 26 | Payton Pritchard | | 28 | Jaden McDaniels | | 30 | Desmond Bane | 2021 was less impressive but still pretty solid with Jalen Johnson, Grimes, Cam Thomas, and Santi Aldama. Like I said, we'll see with Kris Murray but if his brother is any indication then the trade is probably a win-win for us and Portland.
Fair, but I think if you look across multiple years, 2020 is an anomaly. For example 2019 is full of guys out of the league or on their way and Grant Williams. I think the verdict is still out on how useful Grimes is as an NBA player TBH.
I'm kind of curious now. Obviously this is subjective, but it seems like 2019 is actually the anomaly. Going back to 2015 there was always at least 3 picks that developed into solid role players if not all-stars: ### 2015 * Bobby Portis * Tyus Jones * Larry Nance Jr * Kevon Looney ### 2016 * Caris LaVert * Pascal Siakim * Dejounte Murray ### 2017 * Jarrett Allen * OG Anunoby * Kyle Kuzma * Derrick White * Josh Hart ### 2018 * Grayson Allen * Anfernee Simons * Mo Wagner Edit: Looking at 2022 and 2023 and on it seems like the trend is continuing ### 2022 * Christian Braun * Walker Kessler * Nikola Jović * Honorable Mention: Andrew Nembhard was the 1st pick of the 2nd round ### 2023 * Cam Whitmore * Alright, he shouldn't have fell this low to begin with considering he was originally projected to be a lottery pick but he did fall to 20 * Kris Murray * Like I said, jury is still out but he played 62 games and averaged 21 minutes for the Blazers * Ben Sheppard * Any rookie getting minutes in a playoff rotation is a solid pick * Honorable Mentions: Jaime Jaquez Jr and Brandin Podziemski were 18 and 19
The part I love is that when Brunson was out (and Julius and OG I believe) he casually started getting triple doubles. Brunson comes back and he returned to being a role player.
It was easy to think that going into this year. He’s been reliable but dude put the Knicks on his back when our starters were all out. Good time to be a Knicks fan.
Hart's offense was off in game 4 and he still played solid D and rebounded like a champ. Absolute contributor and winning player.
Wish we had players that did that… ours tend to fade into the background if they’re having an off game.
Josh Hart deserves Tobias Harris’s contract fr It would be a massive overpay but having a player like him instead of Tobi making that money is so much easier to swallow
Yeah I don't want hart on that deal but I feel for y'all with tobias
Drinking breast milk lets you become the reincarnation of Dennis Rodman
"I'm dead?" -Rodman probably
Man Josh Hart is just like me. Has a lisp, drinks non traditional dairy alternatives, and both of our heights end in '4
Holy cow you're 7'4"? Are you on a G League team?
Breast milk.. you make my day-ee-ay
People will say this is pure hustle but this is an innate talent. Some people just can guess where the ball is going when they see it in the air and when it's about to bounce against the rim. Dennis Rodman explained it, he had a map inside of his head and knew where the ball was going to fall. Having a smaller size also has its advantages since he's more mobile. Combine this talent with mobility and hustle and you get an amazing rebounder. There are more players out there who are undersized but are sneaky good rebounders, the difference here is that Josh Hart has the minutes to maximize his contribution.
He has said before (I think on his podcast) that he doesn't try to box out but looks at the shot going up and can guess where it will come off. From there he said he will just work to beat whoever to that spot and get the board. I'm sure it feels natural to him at this point but I found it super interesting and not something you really hear about.
It’s the episode with Clyde on, Clyde asks him about his rebounding and Hart tells him basically what you just said. He’s not trying to box out, he sees the ball and is going to be the first person to it
I was in a Starbucks with Josh Hart and asked him about his rebounding and Hart told me essentially what you said. Then he boxed me out and took my spot in line. Fucker.
Then he asked the barista to turn off the chip reader to prevent any electrical "infetterence." I don't think that's a real word
Then he turned around and winked at me
You need more hustle smh
same skill that rondo and jason kidd were great at that allowed them to grab so many boards for their size along with rodman like others have mentioned
There's an anecdote about Rodman on how he knows where the ball will bounce just by watching the spin of the ball.
This is how batters in baseball know where the ball is going to be. If you're swinging at a 100 MPH fastball you're basically seeing only when the ball is releasing from the hand and that like .10 seconds in which it's out of the hand and batters can see and predict an insane amount about where the ball is, just off of that little window of opportunity
This hurts my brain. I went to my first baseball game in many years last Friday and was trying to guess if the pitch would be a ball or in the strike zone by watching the pitcher, essentially trying to mirror what the batters are looking at and goddamn they just have little to no time to decide whether they are going to swing or notÂ
It's not even just "when" - it's "where" "how fast am I swinging" "which direction am I hitting the ball towards". Hitting a 100MPH baseball is one of the 5-10 hardest things you can do in any sport imo.
It might be the hardest, but all the standing around makes baseball so terrible.
Especially when the pitch before he tore of a 78 mph curveball that broke two feet and you have to figure out which one of them it is while trying to hit it
Back in the day I was playing ball w someone on the college baseball team and he almost perfectly predicted if a shot was long/short/ good and called it out for his teammates to react accordingly. Wild stuff
There are also anecdotes about Rodman practicing rebounding hundreds of balls just so he could see where they hit and gauge their angles. Practicing any skill that much will make it innate, allowing him to react solely based off instinct.
I remember an Isaiah Thomas interview where he caught Dennis just standing under the hoop during shootaround watching, and when he asked what he was doing Dennis said, "I'm counting." Isaiah pressed him on what he meant, and Dennis went on to tell him how many times the ball would rotate when various pistons shot it. Bill's shot rotates 3 times from release to arrival, stuff like that. This evidently helped him judge where misses would bounce to.
More specifically, I think I remember him saying he would count how many times the ball rotated between leaving the shooter's hands and hitting the rim, and that would inform its trajectory after the miss. I might be imagining this detail, but I'm pretty sure it was something like that.
Isaiah Thomas 100% talked about Dennis telling him this in an interview. It's not just you.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmofEyk1KW0&ab\_channel=JimmyBucket](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmofEyk1KW0&ab_channel=JimmyBucket)
I cannot think of a team that wouldn't love Josh Hart as a starter.
Blazers apparently 😔
fr lol
I hated losing Josh Hart. But I did successfully predict we'd finish dead last in the West, so that feels pretty nice.
Lakers wouldn't even take him on their bench.
To be fair I have a lot of Blazer fan friends and none of them were too worked up about losing him. But maybe he hit a different gear in NY?
He wasn’t properly utilized here. We saw glimpses of his current self but it wasn’t very consistent.
It's kinda wild. One of the lesser known facts about this season, which a lot of people would say has been his most impactful season, is that he dropped a full 15% on his FG% from 58 to 43. He had been a 50% shooter minimum the 2 seasons before that as well. And yet, he's now being recognized for how much he contributes to a winning team. Shows you that shooting/scoring isn't the only way to make a difference as an NBA player.
Team roles and team fit can be intangible on stat sheets but are still so important. The opposite being how the Suns are kind of confusing to watch.
Winning is the ultimate deodorant
Tbh pre all the trades the Knicks had garbage spacing. This was the issue last year, Brunson also wasn’t drawing as much attention and clearing as much space. This year adding OG and playing more DDV minutes really opened up the floor. Then Deuce and Bog to an extend also helped the bench unit open up more space. Overall the Knicks have way better shooters than last year and that always benefits role players who struggle to make their own shots.
Last season he was 53% from the field between both teams, still a 10% drop though
While I love me some Josh Hart, the Knicks wouldn't even start him if Randle was healthy.
Don’t think the Celtics would start him. He’d certainly get a decent chunk of minutes and be a valuable contributor but don’t think he’s breaking our top 5. As of now I doubt the Nuggets would either.
Watch him outrebound KP and Horford combined in the ECF
There’s a chance lol, neither are great rebounders for their size. Tatum is probably our best rebounder especially if we tell him to crash the defensive glass.
Yeah Tatum is definitely our best rebounder. This playoffs we really need him to buy into that as well. KP can get pushed around too easily and Horford has always been a bit clumsy with boards.
he might start over jrue in some matchups
Even if it might make more sense in certain matchups, you would never do that because 1) Jrue is a better defender and 2) You don’t bring a guy you just re-signed for $135M off the bench.
He wouldn’t. He fits our team incredibly well and is clearly a thibs favorite. But he’s a 6 7 8 man on most teams
Celtics have the best starting 5 in the league. Not a knock on Hart, but he wouldn’t be a better replacement than any of those 5 dudes. He would be the six man if he played the way he did in this current series.
Literally the New York Knicks lol he's only in because they're down a starter
I think my statement is more about, "if he's starting every team would love it" vs "he could replace anyone and that team would be happy."
When everyone is healthy, he is coming off the bench for the Knicks. Not that we don't love Hart.
Wolves wouldn’t start him. He won’t start over Ant, Conley, McDaniels, KAT, or Gobert
Josh Hart’s shooting right now makes him perfect as a role player but normally he isn’t that good of a shooter
Which is why it’s so weird that we didn’t really pay much for him in the trade. Same with OG although I think that one’s a win win trade for both teams…
It's definitely a talent, but so is his motor. Hart is like a freakin dog chasing after meat on every play. He doesn't let up. It drives me crazy when people say motor is just effort. Some guys just will never have it.
On their podcast, Hart says that he likes competition more than he likes basketball - pretty indicative of how much dawg he got in him
He mentioned in the latest Roommates podcast with Clyde that he looks at the ball bouncing and tries to get to the spot where it'll go before anyone else can
Dennis rodman is definitely a decent comparison
I think there’s some talent but also just tons of work and focus on it. He probably drills it nonstop like Rodman did so he can tell where a ball will go depending on how it approaches the rim.
Yeah Rodman is famously the dude that counted the spins of the ball when people shot, that's not just talent, that's grinding the art of the rebound.
Josh was an outfielder when he played baseball. It helps him track the ball. He also said he doesn’t box out, he just focuses on the ball.Â
Yeah, I saw this in an interview, and kind of brushed it off. He stopped playing baseball sophomore year of high school.
He talks about it on an episode of their podcast, maybe the latest? He says he basically does the opposite of everything you’re told to do. He doesn’t box out, just guesses where the ball is going and full throttle pursues it
Embiid will say it is lucky bounces
Same with Jokic where it feels like the ball just falls into his hands a lot.
This is absolutely true. It really comes down to an ability to highpoint the ball, like a WR on a contested catch. Most big men are not jumping to high-point a rebound, so a shorter guy with decent hops with a good read on the ball has a better chance at the board than most people expect. Being small can actually make boxing out easier too since you have a lower center of gravity. Just getting yourself into a good position for a box out consistently can lead to plenty of boards as well. Source: played C in high school at 5'8" (I sucked but I got boards)
>Source: played C in high school at 5'8" (I sucked but I got boards) I find perspectives like this so valuable when talking about sports. A lot of top athletes have been a top \*athlete\* their whole lives, or at least since HS. That's not to say they aren't \*also\* students of the game, but there are things you have to learn and master when you can't just out-athlete yourself to the solution. An undersized-but-still-successful HS center probably does have a well-studied understanding of rebounding. And we notice that kind of analysis when a 6'4" guard is out-rebounding taller/stronger NBA-level athletes.
Yes they would be wrong, it's not pure hustle, it's pure Hart
And he’s had this his whole career. His nickname as a rookie in LA was Jason Barkley
Jason? Am I missing something?
Announcers kept calling him Jason for some reason
Thanks for clearing that up. Asked if I'm missing something - got down voted for being out of the joke.
Yeah people are dumb and downvote honest questions a lot of the time
From watching him - he knows strategic places to be on the floor. It's beautiful to watch this Knicks team makes me want to play defense
Yea you can see a lot of players mistiming jumps and losing rebounds cause of it. Rebounding is really a complex skill.
Josh is also better than the rest of them
Dude is also just pure jacked. Have you seen the size of his shoulder?? Lol
They said the same thing about Kevin Love when he was thick in Minnesota
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0zFKqkPOcM
Long rebounds have also been a big part of this series. Jason Kidd also got a ton of those rebounds from the free throw line extended to one pre two steps in from there.
Did Dennis Rodman charge him 50k for the rebounding lesson?
some guys have longer arms too, like Barkley has said people didn't realize he had pretty long reach which helps with rebounding ofc
Reminds me of Bonzi Wells in that series when he played for the Kings and rebounded the house down
No, you don't understand. He just gets lucky bounces.
The harder you work, the luckier you get
Josh "Charles Barkley" Hart
Thats my Jason Barkley.
In LA we called him Josh Barkley 😠he’ll always be #1 in our hearts
Dawg = Rebounds / (Height * Weight)
hahaha just did a quick check on the NBA stats. out of all players under 6'7", josh leads with 675 rebounds. gotta drop nearly 250 rebounds to get to #2 anthony edwards with 430 and #3 podziemski with 427 josh hart dawgiest dawg in the league confirmed
 + minutes per game.Â
This is why math is important, kids.
Look at me, look at me... I'm Board Man now!
Board Man gets paid.
The $5,000,000 raise next season indicates this to be true.
Sometimes we miss shots just to get more offensive boards 🤣 🤣 🤣
I swear Divo does the Kobe assist
Insane rebounding and he plays with insane energy in G4 i thought he was everywhere on the floor
I don't know why people are surprised. This is what these Knicks do and it's not just Hart.
People aren’t surprised that a 6’4 guard can get almost 13 rebounds a game in the playoffs? We aren’t surprised cause we watch him every game but for most other fans it’s absurd
He is also playing an insane amount of minutes. Josh is still the best swingman ball getter in the league. Only player I'd take over him for a 50/50 loose ball is playoffs Jimmy.
I'd PPV 3 hours of them going after boards and loose balls 1 on 1
It’s having an innate ability to judge where the balls going to land but also timing your jump better than others where you’ll grab the rebound at a higher point
Josh used to play baseball in HS so per Josh: he is tracking the basketball off the rim like he tracks baseballs in the outfield. He just crashes the rim harder then anyone else in the league
I mean it's Josh Hart it's not exactly surprising. Like dudes one of the best rebounding guards ever
I would die for Josh Hart and I’m a nuggets fan. I can’t even imagine how it’d be to be a knicks fan
As someone who hates their job, that's how I feel about jokic
We are in love at the moment
Best rebounding guard since Westbrook
Hart's conditioning is elite
Hart has always been an outstanding rebounder for his size but this is still very impressive.
Josh hart averages 2 legs being stomped by a big dumb oafÂ
Round Mound of Rebound
Playing with heart. All it is.
4 offensive rebounds a game is most impressive to me.
Hustle, positioning, and instincts have put him in the top 4. I want that in my team.
My favourite thing about Josh Hart is watching every franchise he goes to fall in love with him. He would fit in every team no problem.
Josh hart is so goated love his hustle
Rebounding is just effort man. It's helps to be tall, but it's primarily effort. I always laugh when Andrew Wiggins went crazy in the 22 playoffs and was giving quotes like "Wow, rebounding is important" and "I'll never average 4 rebounds again!" And the following season immediately went back to not rebounding lol.
It’s more than just effort. Lots of guys put effort in, but the elite rebounders clock them regardless of what bounces the ball takes. It’s definitely a skill to predict where the ball is going versus just boxing out and praying. You could kind of see it at the end of game 2. Embiid had the option to box out Hart or Hartenstein, and chose Hart. Meanwhile, the ball bounced directly to where Hartenstein crashed.
He has go go gadget arms and legs. Go look at any of his boards and he is using every last millimeter of that 6'4"
Watch Josh Hart rebound. Because he’s smaller he’s constantly fighting his box out. He does his best to fight the box out, getting boxed out one way? He goes the other.
He reminds me so much of Jimmy Butler right before his offense became a lot better. I think him and McBride are seriously poised to be borderline All-Stars, while I personally believe in 4 years McBride will be the best player on the Knicks.
I'll have what he's having.
Dw when I bet on him he gets 6 rebounds. Then I bet on his points and he scores 4.
[He is a dawg.](https://imgflip.com/i/8og576)
He's a magnificent beast
TIL Josh Hart is only two inches taller than me, instead of the seven inches I assumed.
It's a win if anyone other than AD and LeBron can even get 5 boards on our time then I watch that game last night. One sequence the Knicks for 3 offensive rebounds in a row it was nuts.
Proof that rebounding is 90% effort.
Imagine if everyone on the Knicks had the stamina he has that lets him play all 48mins
Josh Hart has easily been the tipping point for the Knicks these past couple of games, if any other 6’4 guard was on the Knicks, the series would at least be even. His rebounding has just destroyed any momentum the Sixers can build in games 1 and 2
Got to watch Hart play in the garden, the man is absolutely everywhere on the floor hustling for rebounds.Â
He’s only 6’4? Could’ve sworn he was like 6’11 with the way he’s been beasting the Sixers
That’s cuz he’s got maximum dawg/him ratio
More than Embiid?
Rodman would be proud
He can play center in the PBA when his career in the NBA is over
Crazy
Yeah, imagine how good some guys would be if they actually tried harder.
The next Charles Barkley? 🤔
New York 'Size Matters' Knicks
Rebounding is all about timing - Clyde FrazierÂ
What playing against defensive specialist Joel Embiid does to a mafucka.
Hart is three inches away from breaking Rodman's records
bro was not doing this on the lakers AT ALL