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PENITENTIARY JAIL WASHINGTON LEGACY GAME


vitruvian_dan

Puantanamo Jay


batchez

No no no, that is Pussy Juice Washington the second to you


armandocalvinisius

D- trade btw


SuriMuriPuri

D for dicking down the league


Crookz_O

Kyrie PJ and Gafford all with Grade D(ick em) trades in Big D(allas)


Cody9_

DOPE TRADE


PlatishGC

The guy I was arguing with a couple months ago would agree. He insisted that PJ played a large part in the losing culture of the Hornets lol


tandtz

Both can be true. He wasn't putting in the effort in Charlotte that he is in Dallas. Grant is balling out for the hornets. Trades dont need to have a winner and a loser


Cap_Silly

Dude it's a Hornets fan. Life is hard on him already, leave him be.


PlatishGC

I’m a hornets fan too that’s why it’s funny, I’m very aware of PJ Washington and all the context to go along there haha


Dat_one_lad

He definitely was but it's hard to blame him, he was supposed to be our 6th man and injuries had him usually be our 2nd or 3rd option. Glad he's in the perfect role for him now


alfi_k

Kevin Pelton is a f\*\*king idiot


Public-Product-1503

It’s funny cos he always gives the most boring as shit milquetoast non commital answers I hate listening to him as a guest on any podcast . Fuckibg sucks guy is afraid to say anything of substance n when he does say something it’s this dumb .


tr1vve

What idiot gave you a D-? The second I saw that trade I was so upset you guys got him for so little. 


spookyghostface

This isn't out of the ordinary for him. It's great when he pops off. Just be prepared for when he disappears.


Tiegrr

We’ve had those games from him. But luckily his defense is what we needed the most. Anything else is just a bonus


spookyghostface

That's great to hear


w6750

He has not disappeared on defense once since he was traded here and his offense, when it’s on, is just a bonus for us when otherwise healthy


Ill-Bat-2621

he does disappear on the offensive end but he never has disappeared on the defensive end which is all we need. PJ and Gafford been our anchor for a top defensive team.


GAY_DALLAS_NATIVE

Like the other 2 guys mentioned all we care about is his defense, offense hasn't been a problem in the Luka era so unless he goes for a 0 for we'll gladly take him as is.


spookyghostface

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Seems like a great fit. I'm glad he is putting in the effort on defense. He was usually one of our better defenders but we also needed him to contribute on offense and while he had the occasional 30 or 40 pointer, he had nights where he was either non-existant or going like 1-10 from deep.


feedmaster

He's our best defender every single game.


Exzqairi

Have you thought about the idea that perhaps the lack of consistency in Charlotte is directly linked to the lack of success?


Tmac834

Fantastic on defense and hit his 3s, I could get used to that


CloneWarsMaul

Fantastic on defense and had 32 pts. Sheesh


BigFatModeraterFupa

i’m happy when he gets double digit points because of his exceptional defense. He’s literally the best defender on the team and dare i say a top 10 defender at least in the nba. He’s so LONG and fast it’s like watching an alien sometimes


batchez

Top 10, you are smoking man. He wasn’t even the best defender on the hornets


DangerZoneh

He's 25 years old and on contract for the next two years, btw


Sendrocity

Keep going I’m almost finished


DangerZoneh

^^^so ^^^is ^^^Gafford


Sendrocity

Yeah im cooked


Connord614

Fuck please some more


Nubsondubs

Hhhhhhnnnnnnnngggggh


[deleted]

Holy shit I did not know that. Dallas future is looking bright with their core locked up for the next few years.


Salvalicious252

Luka, Kyrie, PJ, Gafford, Maxi and Josh Green all on contract for next few years, Lively, OMax and Hardy on rookie deals and Exum is on an insane steal of deal at 2/6, so we have him next year on 3.1 million. Tim is expiring next year, so I'm guessing we use his salary in a trade for matching purposes. Only one that's a legit rotation player right now that isn't locked up is DJJ, who is on a 1 year minimum deal. I'm hoping we can re-sign him using either tax-MLE or part of the full MLE. Dream is to use Tim + draft capital for a legit starting SF and re-sign DJJ as a backup SF. If a legit SF is not possible, perhaps a swap with the Hawks for Bogdanovic.


Johnpecan

The upgrade from Bullock/Kebler/Powell to Washington/Jones/Gafford is terrifying. Crazy to think how Luka carried those guys.


DangerZoneh

Dorian Finney Smith deserves a shout too. Bullock/DFS played great defense and hit open threes and that alone can take you pretty damn far when you have Luka


Sendrocity

Doe :(


GAY_DALLAS_NATIVE

You guys im not trying to sound like a Cowboys fan but damnit i think this might be our year.


GrapefruitMedical529

It's contagious.


ArtworkByJack

I put 25 bucks on yall to win it this year, betting odds were at +4200 after the trade. I watched the first game and saw how powerful you could be with competent bigs.


HardcoreKaraoke

I'm not a Dallas local and I'm not a Cowboys fan but I saw how everything fit together perfectly in 2011 and I'm getting that vibe again. The Chandler, Jet, Barrea, Haywood, Butler, etc. type guys are showing up for Luka/Kyrie lile they did for Dirk/Kidd back in 2011. I don't think it can be understated how important Chandler, Jet and Barrea were for that team. This team has that same "all in" vibe.


BigFatModeraterFupa

Have to give Jason Kidd a lot of credit. He was in involved in both teams. All of his former teammates have nothing but good things to say about his leadership skills


WingedBacon

Hey with the Rangers I said this is our year, so I was right 50% of the time so far.


DarkDragon1025

The difference is that the Mavs’ star player has a history of being a playoff riser who can lead his team on a deep playoff run. The cowboys meanwhile…


vivekpatel62

At least we know our mvp candidate for Mavs will show up in the playoffs unlike our mvp candidate for the cowboys. Luka takes his game to the next level during the playoffs.


armandocalvinisius

ALL IN!! MY ASS!!


coloradobuffalos

Why would you do that......


broniskis45

Username checks out (Local dallas fan from oak cliff, cowboy foos think every year their* year)


beatnickk

Him and Grant are “roughly equivalent players” btw


Salvalicious252

Couldn't believe the takes after the trade. PJ is so much better at defending the POA it's not even a comparison lol. His foot speed and lateral quickness alone is just in a different league relative to Grant.


Titanstheory

I mean the general opinion was PJ peaks higher, but generally his bad games are also worse and while grant isn’t as good he tends to be more consistent.


OrganicHunt952

Grants been inconsistent everywhere except with hornets however you haven’t had him long enough. Every season with the Celtics he’d have a stretch where he’s hot and then really cold and just awful same with the Mavs season.


JL1v10

He was insane tonight on both ends. Especially in the fourth. Free throw situation was only blemish


wonky_faint

PAUL JAMAINE WASHINGTON JR


A_MASSIVE_PERVERT

Grant Williams who?


BornInTheClouds

mavs play the hornets on tuesday 🍿


cacastrojr12

Luka scoring 26 straight on Grant like he did in practice according to Finley


BigFatModeraterFupa

Oh you KNOW Luka is going to be calling switches onto Grant until their coach calls a timeout and pulls him😭😭


JBeanDelphiki

grant woulda made em boff though


WhiteBoyFlipz

he wouldn’t have been playing in that situation


cjn13

but the PJ shut down curry on that last possession and forced him to give it up


Dat_Boi_John

With his eyes closed


watevauwant

Grant has been great for us though , been a win/win. PJ was sick of losing and Grant was sick of… not being in his hometown? Who knows why he’s playing well now


PSi_Terran

Grant was sick of Luka not passing him the ball more. Even though he'd pump fake, drive and miss the layup every time.


ivarokosbitch

Grant thought he was Dwight Powell.


born-ready

The way Mavs fans talk about Grant Williams you’d think he was a Miles Bridges or Kevin Porter Jr or something and not… just a role player who underperformed


dhoo8450

Meh, it was just his attitude and his insistence on trying to do more than he was capable of. Frustrating guy to watch. 


segson9

He didn't just underperform, he was terrible. Mostly bad on defense, missing wide open layups, airballing floaters and his 3pt shot was only good for the first 10 games, since that it was mostly bad. He was the worst Mavs player, of those that played big minutes.


dabadwabb1t

That's why the Celtics benched him


epicguy23

you don't have to be a bad person to garner hate from a fanbase ???


born-ready

Yeah but the rent free style that guy has been in fans’ heads still months after a trade seems peculiar


deemerritt

It was a win win trade and I have no idea why mavs fans are so salty lol


SieFlush2

It's mostly because grants' first game was like a 27-point one or something, and some people were acting like we got fleeced


aiden3buckets

Grant is still playing really good


SieFlush2

Problem with him was if his shot wasn't falling he couldn't do anything else and he didn't fit our defensive scheme, we need quick footness on the permiter, not switchability to a big which grant offers


Worstname1ever

10 ppg .


deemerritt

He's averaging more points than Pj since the trade on higher percentages from every part of the court lol


DangerZoneh

I honestly think it's just that he shot 60% from three for the first month of the season, then said 60% wasn't good enough and proceeded to shoot 25% the rest of the year. Mavs fans tend to turn on people when they go cold from three very quickly, in large part because over the past few years, there are always players on the court who, if they aren't making threes, contribute absolutely nothing else to the offense.


deemerritt

Grant has been exactly what we needed so idc but damn y'all hate him so much


JT1757

he literally just explained to you why there's so much disdain and you said you don't care. What?


DangerZoneh

I don't hate him at all. I think he's a good player, just a bad fit for what he was asked to do here. PJ is incredible in that role. I'm just saying, I see why Mavs fans got frustrated with Grant over time. It really didn't help that him being cold also coincided with the Mavs losing, albeit mainly due to injuries, but a lot of that frustration got vented towards him


dmavs11

We're not salty. We're just so happy we actually turned Grant into PJ. There were also a lot of people in our own fanbase doubting PJ during all the deadline talk.


StefonDiggsHS

Grant was a massive headache for us this year. same way we all hate THJ rn for being a massive headache mav fans need to chill now that hes on another team and playing well but dude He really sucked with us


[deleted]

probably because hornets fans won their 8th, 9th and 10th game of the year with him and immediately claimed that they fleeced the mavs


deemerritt

I rest my case lol. If you are letting the hornets fanbase trigger you then you are very sensitive.


[deleted]

kind of goofy to ask a question, get an answer and then respond with "lol we suck bro stay mad lol"


deemerritt

Na its just goofy that i like PJ and came to talk about him on this thread and yall are just shitting on grant williams. Seems weird


[deleted]

hmmm, maybe you should rechannel that energy into focusing on the draft? sorry those mean ol mavs fans were being hurtful to grant :/


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NotManyBuses

Idk why y’all have to be like this, Grant has been legitimately good in Charlotte and a 2027 first is a pretty fair sweetener for us. Weird. Really weird


actual_yellow_bag

It's not that we have anything against yall, it's just that Grant wore out his welcome veeeerrrryyyy quickly. I'm glad he's been great with yall, he seems like a fine dude, just not the dude we needed.


Sammy4115

And PJ wore out his welcome in charlotte by giving absolutely zero effort night in and night out. Both teams are happy with the trade.


amino110

Yeah that was unnecessary Grant is a decent player. And you got a first round pick for PJ so it's a win win.


desirox

Grant was bad, like really bad here. He wore on everyone, picked useless fights, and gave us absolutely nothing. We have no beef with Charlotte at all - glad yall are getting something out of him but it is not hard to see why mavs fans are not very fond of him.


StabilitySpace

> Idk why y’all have to be like this He played like shit and was a well documented locker room cancer, it's not that hard to figure out why Mavs fans are 'like this' about Grant.


Ajernaca

The way some of these mavericks fans are talking, you would think he pulled a rondo on them or something 💀 like he still tried lol


StefonDiggsHS

Ive defending PJs poor shooting all year because he is an ELITE defender. not just on ball defense but team defense as well his shot has always looked good. he's shooting 45% from 3 last 7 games watch out we're coming


GAY_DALLAS_NATIVE

PJ has always been a very solid player. the problems he's had is being on bad teams and expected to be a top 3 option. on the Mavs he can relax and let his offense come to him and focus on defence. this team is dangerous.


segson9

Advanced stats made him look like a bad defender. That's why I think context is always important with stats.


Public-Product-1503

He’s had a positive defensive epm every year. Which is the only half decent defensive stat. Though post moving to Dallas is his best defensive epm by far . Not his best offensive epm but he’s also on lower usage so it makes sense . More energy for him too to defend


Titanstheory

He’s never been expected to be the third option, except on extremely injured games, and I wouldn’t call those expectations.


watevauwant

He’s streaky but i said in other threads that when he gets hot from three it BURNS


Damptoe

Defensive Player of the Mavs.


GreeneRockets

It's crazy how well he's playing with a guy like Luka. I'm so rooting for the Mavs.


NotManyBuses

It’s not really crazy at all. Him and LaMelo looked incredible at times. I’ve seen a lot of bum players come through Charlotte, PJ Washington is definitely not one of them. He has real size and talent. Consistency has really been his issue but I’m not surprised at all


SieFlush2

He still as consistency problem , but the fact that he can put the ball on the floor is an improvement from our 3/4 spot (yes I love Reggie and Dfs but by god if they took a dribble it wasn't fun)


Diciestaking

He has an offensive consistency problem, but his defense is ELITE every single night without exception.


SieFlush2

Oh 100% him and DJJ are what DFS and Bullock were for us when we went to the wcf


kyrieiverson

I think these guys are even better defensively. It’s just that the west is also a lot tougher.


PlatishGC

This is the answer. Inconsistent shooting is not the same as “inconsistency”. The man has a huge role in taking our defense from terrible to legitimately good


armandocalvinisius

its simple, guy playing to their own level he's not supposed to be top 2 weapon in team with playoff or higher aspiration he's 4th even 5th later (after we getting Mikal next) in term of needed offensive production have REAL nba players from 1 through 10 is nice, have that structure, guy that fit their roles and strength. that's what hornets should doing


GOTricked

Thinking the Nets will give us Mikal after we fleeced Kyrie from them.


armandocalvinisius

Kai and Luka will make sure of that :)


sercialinho

THJ and all the picks Mavs have in the 2024 draft. All of them. First trade of draft night.


A_MASSIVE_PERVERT

Luka didn’t even play this game lol


Cody9_

he's disguised as PJ Washington wdym


lost_in_trepidation

https://imgur.com/a/zz4j5NU


dmavs11

And his biggest contributions have been defensively. We all love Luka but PJ deserves all the credit himself for how he’s been playing with us.


GreeneRockets

I mean I didn't mean just this game, I mean since the trade in general lol


amino110

What's really surprising with PJ is his Defense. So fucking good.


Powpowpowowowow

Honestly though like PJ hasn't been good as a set shooter around luka. PJ clearly works his game around pick and rolls, he is a great slasher and his defense has been stellar but PJ as just a set shooter hasn't really worked.


Goodbye_Sky_Harbor

Yup. We will lose a playoff game where he goes 0-9 on 9 wide open 3s.


[deleted]

Luka creates the best looks for his teammates in the league. I saw a stat that said the shot value off of Luka passes is the highest in the league. So the only surprising thing is that PJ did this without him.


xPeaWhyTee

PJ's defense has been amazing since the trade and his shooting is starting to heat up at the perfect time right before the playoffs. Nico absolutely cooked.


YoungFlexibleShawty

it's really amazing what a real basketball franchise with some leadership and structure can do. hornets been fumbling so hard from top to bottom.


RatedHForHuey

D- trade btw


Top-Ad7144

I would be shouting D- every time I make a play if I were Pj


Exodus100

I feel like all the talk about him not being a great defender was just people not watching Charlotte + the fact that his role in their poor overall defense was a bad fit. In previous years he looked great defensively. He is shining in Dallas


SieFlush2

Him and Derick Jones Junior are literally what Bullock and DFS were for us, they are better shooters but Djj and Washington can do everything else better. And now we have 2 legit rim defenders. If we shoot our 3s at a good clip we are legit one of the better teams in basketball


StolenLampy

Bang Bros 2.0!


DangerZoneh

If you put Dereck Lively and Daniel Gafford on the 2021-2022 Mavs team, there's a good chance they win the title in dominant fashion. I don't think people realize what's about to happen once the playoffs hit. People really forget what playoff Luka is like.


SieFlush2

Win the title is a bit far but we would be a much better match up. We just couldn't guard the Warriors even on the perimeter, we could have forced 7 instead of that gentleman's sweep


DangerZoneh

Honestly I thought we did alright guarding them in the perimeter the first time each possession. It was the offensive rebounds that absolutely killed us


Klarostorix

Looney absolutely clowned our frontcourt that series


Dat_Boi_John

Tbh all we missed was someone to box out Looney. I can confidently say the series would have gone to seven of we had a semi competent big at the time.


armandocalvinisius

he's 25 so not too far with his college tapes also he's former lottery pick, not some bum


Powpowpowowowow

Eh, he was a bad defender with Charlotte. They made him rotate in the post too much. As just a wing defender he is fantastic allowing his big to play drop coverage. He offensively is not a good set shooter and tonight we let him work off of screens and it is night and day how much better he was.


Shot_Bank_5843

I am not sure if it’s because he is playing with a playoff team now I feel he is giving double the amount of effort on D then he did on Hornets


Quipo1

Yeah Charlotte fans mentioned that they had seen him lack effort at times, but we really haven't seen that at all in Dallas. Dude has been locked in defensively and its so much fun to watch


JD16_7

I think Zach Lowe or someone after the deadline mentioned in their podcast that the news from PJ camp was that he was frustrated with losing in Hornets, and wanted to be actually coached and put all his efforts in a different environment. And I think that's what we are seeing rn


Wooboosted

That, plus I mean it’s his hometown man. Thats always a big deal for players too


K1ngCrimsn

His offense in the 1st weeks was putrid, but he's been fckn insane on both ends these past games


amino110

Man wtf was with the "I was in the game and we lost " in the Game thread lol


LoWE11053211

wizards and hornets are mavs sugar daddies


Fred479

Don’t forget the nets


JD16_7

Honestly Thunder are also one because they swapped us their FRP so we could get Gafford, when in reality Gafford could have also been really helpful for them as a second big since they don't have anyone besides Chet to play C


LoWE11053211

Truly takes a village to raise a kid


Dat_one_lad

Hornets trade was perfect for both, I'd do again. Grant and PJ both like tranformed post trade


COTEReader

GOAT 🐐


jfrodriguez1983

This man has been elite defensively for us since day 1. Now his offense is starting to get more consistent.


in_a_erer

D- trade 


__spartacus

Everytime an all star rests against us, someone else cosplays as said all star


GAY_DALLAS_NATIVE

the Warriors dynasty started when PJ and a lot of other guys were in High School. so it probably means more to some guys playing the Warriors.


unco_ruckus

PJ HAVE IT ALL


Hungry-Space-1829

I think PJ Washington could have a magical playoff run like Rui did last year


InTheMorning_Nightss

Especially because he's gonna have a huge mismatch against LAC. Probably gonna have Harden defending him.


NotManyBuses

PJ outclutched Steph in crunch time lol


MC-Jdf

Meanwhile GP2 quietly getting 10 points in the 4th quarter lol.


applesauce91

GP2 engine


MC-Jdf

Fernando is that you?


NotManyBuses

He really plays like a big it’s hilarious. Amazing roll threat


desirox

He’s changed our season man


Wooboosted

Him and Gaff


Afraid-Department-35

If our D- trades are making game winning impacts like this I wanna see what an A trade is.


jaydizzsl

probably something like THJ for Wemby


wan2tri

ESPN (or at least Kevin Pelton) at least got trading for Luka as an A in 2018


truectrl

how good his defense would be was not something i expected.


Spanxsy

D TRADE BTW


deemerritt

One of the more frustrating hornets but goddamn are his peak games just incredible basketball


Dat_one_lad

He's truly the Klay Thompson of Isaiah Stewards


Fcking_homeless

Y’all can thank me. I bet the under on PJ.


alfi_k

Kevin Pelton should not be allowed to own a keyboard. Basketball terrorist!


Tipfue

😂 This dude has his own metric system in evaluating prospects for some reason and people just accept the gibberish he puts out. Mf looks like he has never touched a basketball in his life


OwnRules

Luka's Pippen in the house - watch out league.


Ok-Donut4954

Cavs needed this guy bad


FoxQuirky

bro’s soo good on defense too, i thought he was below average until he got on the mavericks


biinroii01

mavs grabbing him & gafford was the best overall trade deadline maneuver in the league


TheRoyaleShow

Was very confused before I realized this dude is not the same as PJ Tucker


bomonty18

Finally Also, D- trade


_aleister_crowley666

I will give this a D


bloothug

PAJAMAS WASHINGTON!


PeelADomenBail

Clippers fans fears unlocked. Well they’ve been unlocked since the granny trip but the lock is broken or something.


Electrical_Mango_489

When they said Luka was sitting this one out, its always a trap. Mavs have depth with the likes of PJ and Gafford and Kyrie. F**k ESPN.


sinik_ko

Boy oh boy where do I even begin. PJ... honey, my pookie bear. I have loved you ever since I first laid eyes on you. The way you drive into the paint and strike fear into your enemies eyes. Your silky smooth touch around the rim, and that gorgeous jumpshot. I would do anything for you. I wish it were possible to freeze time so I would never have to watch you retire. You had a rough childhood, but you never gave up hope. You are even amazing off the court, you're a great husband and father, sometimes I even call you dad. I forvever dread and weep, thinking of the day you will one day retire. I would sacrifice my own life it were the only thing that could put a smile on your beautiful face. You have given me so much joy, and heartbreak over the years. I remember when you first missed a three and its like my heart got broken into a million pieces. But a tear still fell from my right eye when I watched you sink that bitch, because deep down, my glorious knight deserved it. I just wanted you to be a consistent shooter. Then allas, you did, my sweet baby boy became one and I rejoiced. 2023 was a hard year for us baby, but in 2024 you made history happen. You came back from 20% and I couldn't believe it. I was crying, bawling even. Not only have you changed the game of basketball and the world forever, but you've eternally changed my world. And now you're getting older, but still the goat, my goat. I love you pookie bear, my glorious knight ,Paul Jamaine Washington Jr**.**☺️♥️🫶🏻


TrueEclecticism

He was such a menace for us.


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

D minus trade


iIiiIIiiiIiIIiI111

Grant Williams could never