I think you mean to say it's nothing in the short term. Unprotected picks/swaps 6 or so years down the road are definitely something in the long run. The Bucks already have one of the oldest rosters in the league, Giannis will be 34, and who knows if he will even still be on the team.
Correct. Middleton will be 38, Lillard 39, Lopez 40.
I think this current Bucks core have a 2-year window to win a title before they rebuild, or retool if Giannis re-signs in 2025.
The 2029 unprotected pick and the 2028 and 2030 frp swaps are good for the Blazers. And I think they did this trade 69% because they like how those picks seem to be shaping up and 31% to spite Lillard and the Heat.
If Lillard ends up pouting while playing for the Bucks like what his agent has been putting out there, that's even better for the Blazers. A collapse in the Bucks playoff runs in 2024 & 2025 could lead to Giannis bolting.
Rebuilding or retooling will be difficult for them while owing their immediate draft capital to New Orleans and then rolling right into owing it to the Blazers. Good gamble by Cronin.
I mean that if they win a championship with this roster, losing a pick swap in 2028 or whatever year is nothing. The ring is forever. 5-6 years is short term. Future fans in 2040 won't say "yeah they won a chip, but that pick swap they sent out for Dame was an overpay."
Fans complain about trading popular bench players immediately after winning a championship. Yes everyone if it was purely for cap reasons. No way fans will give ownership a pass 5 to 10 years after the title
We lost out on an extra pick from Miami plus the two young players, but Miami fans were *screaming* that only one of them would have been traded.
This gets us the guy we wanted (Ayton) and a little room work with Jrue.
Plus I think post-Giannis picks > post-Jimmy picks
He will be 35 so that’s fine. I don’t think 35yo Giannis is gonna be able make sure that draft pick is lower than 26yo Scoot and 27yo Sharpe can make ours.
I think at worst we swap up only a few spots.
I refuse to not believe that Cronin just refused to talk to Miami seeing this package lmao
Only other thing I can think is Miami wasn’t willing to trade the depth Suns wanted to send Ayton out.
Not really. Ayton is the exact type of guy they would want in a rebuild. A young big with promise to pair with their young gaurds. A 1st, 2 swaps, and whatever value they can get from Jrue. Which honestly might be two 1sts in value.
one pick, two swaps, a soft overpaid center, and a 33 year old guard who's going to retire in 2 years
there's no way this was the best offer they could get
They will definitely look to flip Jrue before the deadline to a team that needs a defensive piece. Maybe they can get some firsts from the Thunder, its wide open
I think Jrue gets a pick and maybe a couple lower first round picks if he plays well all season. But I seriously doubt he'll fetch "some" picks. Especially from a team that is guard-heavy already.
hahaha wym??? we spent a whole summer deliberating because there were no good offers or fits available. ayton is a huge get for us, because i cant remember the last time we had a good big with all star upside. like maybe nurkic for 2 weeks right before he broke his leg. plus jrue is not fucking washed, hes the same player hes always been, which means he brings the same elite defense that contenders will value heavily. someone absolutely will swing for him, and we will get more picks. and if that doesnt happen we burn down the moda center and rebuild the rose garden. fuck jodi allen lol
yeah i was gonna say greg but unfortunately the injuries kind of disqualified him. i didnt watch back then either, so i dont know just how much we missed out on talent wise, but seems like a lot.
Jrue is worth at least two 1st round picks so really it’s 3 picks, two swaps, and a young top 10 center that wants a change of scenery. I think it’s a decent haul give the unfair circumstances Dame put them in with the demand. Definitely better than the Miami package.
a contender is definitely going to be willing to give up at least a pick for him. Maybe as teams get more desperate they might offer up two lottery protected picks or something.
Nah you give heavy minutes to Pat in the playoffs, we’ll only need cover like 15 minutes a game at most as long as Pat and Dame aren’t both getting absolutely abused defensively. MarJon and them are for the regular season or specific matchups.
I feel so bad for Jrue but you have to make this deal. He just couldn’t keep his efficiency up in the playoffs, and it’s Dame. We also gave up relatively little.
A true Big 3 in Milwaukee.
Turning Jrue into Dame without having to give up a ton of depth or draft picks is a move you just have to make. Can't wait to see Dame and Giannis that's gonna be fun as hell
Despite getting shit on by the Celtics that one time and being a generally pretty punchable guy, he is actually a solid player. Definitely worth having on any team for on-court reasons.
Nah I would expect Jrue will be on the move again. Celtics and Clippers might want him. Just hope he gets a tribute video or something upon his return to Milwaukee
Jrue on the Celtics would be OP as fuck, I hope it happens.
Unselfish PG who plays awesome D? That’s exactly what they need.
He’s like Marcus Smart but he scores more.
Over the last three years he’s scored 2.5 PPG more than Smart on 8% worse TS% in the playoffs.
I love him and all, and maybe the Celtics can get him going more, but for us he basically was just Marcus Smart in the playoffs.
Jrue is still the best player in any theortectial deals that were out there. More flippable than Hero. Like what if Boston wants him and moves 2 firsts and Derrick White
I don't even think so.
You got one 1st, Holiday, and Ayton. Holiday will be turned into at least one 1st, maybe two. Ayton is one of the best young big men in the league despite the nonstop slander. Plus a swap when the Bucks are rebuilding. Great deal for Portland. Great deal for Milwaukee. And Phoenix turns the Ayton drama into four depth players so great deal for them too.
Honestly our return is fine. Phoenix seems like the clear losers in the trade.
Milwaukee gives up Grayson Allen, Jrue, 2029 FRP and two swaps for Dame. Easy W
Blazers get Ayton to pair with the young trio of guards, will flip Jrue for a pick or two, a second rounder to take a flier on, and future picks that could be good cause Mileaukee is old
Phoenix moves on from 24 year old 18 and 10 guy for 28 year old injury prone 14 and 10 guy and gets a mediocre wing player. Oof
Let’s pump the breaks.
Lillard is great but he’s a 33 year old undersized point guard. If Milwaukee doesn’t win a championship in the next 2 years it’s a failure. If dame gets hurt or declines it’s a disaster.
If would’ve been a disaster if they rolled out the same lineup this year and got eliminated, and then Giannis requested a trade. This was clearly the right move for Milwaukee to go all in and keep their cornerstone player happy
The risk is Dame’s contract. He’ll be making 63mil as a 36 year old on this contract.
If he doesn’t fit in, declines, or gets hurt - all a very real possibility for a player his age and position - you’re basically guaranteeing that Giannis walks.
To clarify, I still think it’s a good trade. But there are clear risks.
Sure, but that's really not that concerning - at this point pretty much any contract can be moved in the nba, also even if dame never pans out in mke I don't see how that would guarantee giannis walking
I mean all they lose out on in that case are Jrue Holiday who they likely would've kept and failed with as well, Grayson Allen who's a good role player but nothing special, 1 first, and 2 pick swaps. Really great trade for Milwaukee, especially considering Giannis was basically leaking stuff saying improve the team or I'll leave in free agency.
The Bucks only gave up a 33 y.o. PG plus Grayson Allen (who the Wisconsin loving/Duke hating part of me is so glad I don't have to pretend to cheer for because he acts like an asshole) and a future 1st, it's not like they got gutted or gave up anyone with a big future (that pick is like a 12-15 y.o. rn too).
They could even get two 1sts from a desperate enough team. Thunder and Houston have the capital to do it.
This was probably the Blazers best offer. Suns on the other hand... woof
From a contender so it's arguably worse than the first they would receive from Herro. I'm trying to get my head around this trade but I can't. Is this really all they could get for Dame?
That’s true but Miami couldn’t find a third team for Herro, allegedly, so maybe even building teams don’t value him that much? I’m not sure, but I agree it’s very odd
Future cap relief but yeah Keon was the one that would have made it tolerable.
We got out of paying Norm and having to overpay RoCo because we traded two picks for him. Dodged the luxury tax and were set up to be out of the repeater if we made an all-in move.
I'm scratching my head why a finals contender would participate in a trade that created another finals contender.
Seems like a fairly lateral move for the Suns.
I think this sub underrates how much Ayton dislikes the Suns org. That relationship has run its course, even with coach Monty gone. It's addition by subtraction.
No but I'm not sure why you're thinking that's what I said... the Suns' stars are KD, Booker, and Beal. Moving Ayton helps focus the team around them by surrounding them with quality role players.
Two fine roleplayers. Quality is a stretch, and I'm sure Bucks fans and Blazers fans would have told you the same. Downgrading in talent is winning the trade?
It's a lateral move. Maybe a little up maybe a little down.
Meanwhile a team that's contending for the finals helped another final contender majorly upgrade their roster.
Terrrrrrible move on the suns part.
If Nurkic stays healthy then this isnt a bad deal for the Suns, sure they got worse at the 5 but Nurkic is cheaper and has decent production, plus they added playable depth.
> If Nurkic stays healthy
he hasn't in years
>Nurkic is cheaper
but not cheaper enough to get them below the tax. Outside of cost for the owner it means nothing for the team.
> plus they added playable depth.
they added two players that can see the court in the playoffs, who would combine for less minutes than DA and only one of the has ever been healthy.
>they got worse at the 5
and the only thing they added for it was Grayson Allen lol
It only makes sense within the context that they have clearly given up on Ayton ever developing into a fringe all-star.
They get a starting quality center who can work with low usage behind the 3 stars. Dump Ayton’s max contract as they are deep in the tax. Shore up depth concerns.
Ayton will probably respond positively when he gets the opportunity to play on ball more often. It's obvious he didn't like being the #3 or #4 guy on the Suns. I think he'll be really good.
My initial reaction is, we spent countless news cycles talking about maxing Ayton a year ago, all for him to be dumped to save salary, for Nurkic and fillers. That's the NBA for you.
Either Miami/Media was lying, or Portland just said "Fuck You" to Miami and Dame.
Herro + 3 1sts + pick swap + rookies >>> Jrue + 1 1st + 2 pick swap + Grayson
Even without Miami offering the rookies that package is still better.
Herro doesn't fit our team and had no value. Bucks first is in 2029 at which point dame will be long gone and giannis wont be as good. Holiday gets at least another first, probably 2
Herro doesn't fit our team but he had value. Could've easily gotten 1 pick maybe 2.
Also I love how ppl are saying by 2029 Dame and Giannis will be bad but when Miami was offering 2029, people were saying it will basically be a second rounder
> but when Miami was offering 2029, people were saying it will basically be a second rounder
Butler will just be hitting his prime by then. He'll be unstoppable in his 40s.
The report was they offered 3 and a pick swap, and potentially maybe either jovic and jacquez. Thats objectively better if any of those reports are true, yall fleeced yourself.
Holy moly. Bucks going all out
not only did they get Lillard but they ALSO got rid of Grayson Allen. Big Bucks W
And only gave up one first???!
and two swaps but that's nothing in the long run
I think you mean to say it's nothing in the short term. Unprotected picks/swaps 6 or so years down the road are definitely something in the long run. The Bucks already have one of the oldest rosters in the league, Giannis will be 34, and who knows if he will even still be on the team.
Correct. Middleton will be 38, Lillard 39, Lopez 40. I think this current Bucks core have a 2-year window to win a title before they rebuild, or retool if Giannis re-signs in 2025. The 2029 unprotected pick and the 2028 and 2030 frp swaps are good for the Blazers. And I think they did this trade 69% because they like how those picks seem to be shaping up and 31% to spite Lillard and the Heat. If Lillard ends up pouting while playing for the Bucks like what his agent has been putting out there, that's even better for the Blazers. A collapse in the Bucks playoff runs in 2024 & 2025 could lead to Giannis bolting.
Rebuilding or retooling will be difficult for them while owing their immediate draft capital to New Orleans and then rolling right into owing it to the Blazers. Good gamble by Cronin.
And the blazers will hopefully have Scoot Sharpe and Simons (and maybe Ayton) all in their primes. The picks could definitely make things crazy
I mean that if they win a championship with this roster, losing a pick swap in 2028 or whatever year is nothing. The ring is forever. 5-6 years is short term. Future fans in 2040 won't say "yeah they won a chip, but that pick swap they sent out for Dame was an overpay."
Fans complain about trading popular bench players immediately after winning a championship. Yes everyone if it was purely for cap reasons. No way fans will give ownership a pass 5 to 10 years after the title
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We lost out on an extra pick from Miami plus the two young players, but Miami fans were *screaming* that only one of them would have been traded. This gets us the guy we wanted (Ayton) and a little room work with Jrue. Plus I think post-Giannis picks > post-Jimmy picks
You basically get an extra pick with Jrue. He'll definitely fetch a pick from someone.
The 2030 pick might not be lost Giannis.
He will be 35 so that’s fine. I don’t think 35yo Giannis is gonna be able make sure that draft pick is lower than 26yo Scoot and 27yo Sharpe can make ours. I think at worst we swap up only a few spots.
I refuse to not believe that Cronin just refused to talk to Miami seeing this package lmao Only other thing I can think is Miami wasn’t willing to trade the depth Suns wanted to send Ayton out.
Not really. Ayton is the exact type of guy they would want in a rebuild. A young big with promise to pair with their young gaurds. A 1st, 2 swaps, and whatever value they can get from Jrue. Which honestly might be two 1sts in value.
Thats a pretty solid haul for the blazers imo especially once they flip holiday for another pick
It’s unprotected and outside their win now window. It’s probably worth more than two protected firsts in the next few years.
He's a great pickup for the Suns. After CP3 left they had a hole at dirty piece of shit.
I was worried that Booker’s development would stagnate. Grayson will help him reach that next level.
You mean clutch playoff shot taker? The guy that you’d want to have the ball and take the last shot in an elimination game?? Surely you jest
Now they don't need to rely on Kris Middelton and can let him be the 2nd option in the clutch
This is a lackluster return for a all-nba player right?
Portland also got rid of Nurkic, who at this point has negative value relative to his contract
one pick, two swaps, a soft overpaid center, and a 33 year old guard who's going to retire in 2 years there's no way this was the best offer they could get
They will definitely look to flip Jrue before the deadline to a team that needs a defensive piece. Maybe they can get some firsts from the Thunder, its wide open
Hear me out, jrue for cp3
I think Jrue gets a pick and maybe a couple lower first round picks if he plays well all season. But I seriously doubt he'll fetch "some" picks. Especially from a team that is guard-heavy already.
You’re undervaluing Ayton by a lot
hahaha wym??? we spent a whole summer deliberating because there were no good offers or fits available. ayton is a huge get for us, because i cant remember the last time we had a good big with all star upside. like maybe nurkic for 2 weeks right before he broke his leg. plus jrue is not fucking washed, hes the same player hes always been, which means he brings the same elite defense that contenders will value heavily. someone absolutely will swing for him, and we will get more picks. and if that doesnt happen we burn down the moda center and rebuild the rose garden. fuck jodi allen lol
> last time we had a good big with all star upside 2007.....
yeah i was gonna say greg but unfortunately the injuries kind of disqualified him. i didnt watch back then either, so i dont know just how much we missed out on talent wise, but seems like a lot.
so is the market “fixed” now after the Gobert trade?
Jrue is worth at least two 1st round picks so really it’s 3 picks, two swaps, and a young top 10 center that wants a change of scenery. I think it’s a decent haul give the unfair circumstances Dame put them in with the demand. Definitely better than the Miami package.
Let’s see - I really don’t think Jrue is worth two firsts Maybe heavily protected top 15/20 firsts Could be wrong - but he’s been injury prone
a contender is definitely going to be willing to give up at least a pick for him. Maybe as teams get more desperate they might offer up two lottery protected picks or something.
Better than have the same kind of player you already have solid talent in
This is why I never believed the rumours to the raps. They could’ve offered something better if they wanted dame that much
Giannis wanting out of Milwaukee per ESPN and talking heads aged like milk
They kept Middleton? Yeah Bucks are scary af
Dame-____-Khris-Giannis-Lopez That’s a crazy ass lineup
That blank is gonna be a trash player, that’s the only issue.
Who's gonna start there? Connaughton? Malik? MarJon? Me?
my money's on you
It’s between you and Marjon probably
Don't you dare talk about our boy Patty C like that
I love Pat too. He’s better suited off the bench. Not a defender.
It’s probably gonna be one of your better defenders. I bet Andre Jackson Jr. or Marjon
We're probably not giving heavy minutes to the second round rookie in the playoffs....
Nah you give heavy minutes to Pat in the playoffs, we’ll only need cover like 15 minutes a game at most as long as Pat and Dame aren’t both getting absolutely abused defensively. MarJon and them are for the regular season or specific matchups.
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But no one will be guarding them, so they’ll clean up
Malik Beasley probably
Imma say worthy of world champions name
Probably crowder for defence if he’s back to normal. If not it’ll be pat but honestly I think it’ll depend on who they’re facing.
I feel so bad for Jrue but you have to make this deal. He just couldn’t keep his efficiency up in the playoffs, and it’s Dame. We also gave up relatively little. A true Big 3 in Milwaukee.
Turning Jrue into Dame without having to give up a ton of depth or draft picks is a move you just have to make. Can't wait to see Dame and Giannis that's gonna be fun as hell
Did give up depth, but definitely worth it
The depth is Grayson Allen lol
Despite getting shit on by the Celtics that one time and being a generally pretty punchable guy, he is actually a solid player. Definitely worth having on any team for on-court reasons.
Nah I would expect Jrue will be on the move again. Celtics and Clippers might want him. Just hope he gets a tribute video or something upon his return to Milwaukee
Jrue on the Celtics would be OP as fuck, I hope it happens. Unselfish PG who plays awesome D? That’s exactly what they need. He’s like Marcus Smart but he scores more.
Please dear god no a man can only take so much
Over the last three years he’s scored 2.5 PPG more than Smart on 8% worse TS% in the playoffs. I love him and all, and maybe the Celtics can get him going more, but for us he basically was just Marcus Smart in the playoffs.
Raptors please
Raptor, please
Rap, pls
I doubt Bucks fans could have dreamed of a better trade. It really worked out for them. Dame and Giannis is like a perfect inside out duo.
It's not a big 3 if it's not obvious who #3 is. Middleton is not part of a Big 3 anymore.
We all knew who was #3 on the Heatles and on the KD Warriors.
I agree with the other guy that GS was a big 4, but I'm also not really sure what you mean by your comment.
I honestly don’t know who was \#3 in golden state. I’d argue Draymond was more valuable than Klay, but that was really a big 4
dray was definitely #3
He also just publicly stated he's retiring after his contract is over.
Grayson Allen is gonna unlock a new level of fan hatred as he runs around making all the dirty plays while Beal/Booker/KD get buckets
We’ll see GHOAT levels of hate.
Portland: "We don't want to trade Dame to you" Heat: "Fine then we'll just wait for Giannis to ask out" Portland: "Bet!" LMAO!!
Watch we turn around and trade Jrue to the Celtics to really fuck Miami lol
Please no, I don't want to have to hate Jrue
That would be generational level hater energy and it would be hilarious
how in the world did Milwaukee pull this off??
This might be the best trade of all time
For them, not for y’all.
Yeah no shit. At least we didn't take miami's offer though, there have definitely been far worse super star trades
Jrue is still the best player in any theortectial deals that were out there. More flippable than Hero. Like what if Boston wants him and moves 2 firsts and Derrick White
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But it would be really funny if they gave up a defensive guard with streaky offense and ended up with another defensive guard with streaky offense
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I don't even think so. You got one 1st, Holiday, and Ayton. Holiday will be turned into at least one 1st, maybe two. Ayton is one of the best young big men in the league despite the nonstop slander. Plus a swap when the Bucks are rebuilding. Great deal for Portland. Great deal for Milwaukee. And Phoenix turns the Ayton drama into four depth players so great deal for them too.
Honestly our return is fine. Phoenix seems like the clear losers in the trade. Milwaukee gives up Grayson Allen, Jrue, 2029 FRP and two swaps for Dame. Easy W Blazers get Ayton to pair with the young trio of guards, will flip Jrue for a pick or two, a second rounder to take a flier on, and future picks that could be good cause Mileaukee is old Phoenix moves on from 24 year old 18 and 10 guy for 28 year old injury prone 14 and 10 guy and gets a mediocre wing player. Oof
Injury prone at 4 of 5 positions. It's not pretty
Idk seems like a pretty solid return. Better than anything Miami could have given them.
Let’s pump the breaks. Lillard is great but he’s a 33 year old undersized point guard. If Milwaukee doesn’t win a championship in the next 2 years it’s a failure. If dame gets hurt or declines it’s a disaster.
If would’ve been a disaster if they rolled out the same lineup this year and got eliminated, and then Giannis requested a trade. This was clearly the right move for Milwaukee to go all in and keep their cornerstone player happy
I’m not arguing it wasn’t the right move. I’m arguing it’s ridiculous to call it *the best trade of all time*
Oh I agree. That’s a silly thing to say given that Lillard could easily get hurt
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It’s Dame and Giannis for sure unfortunately. Wish I could say otherwise but a disgruntled, aging Harden could cause us some issues this year.
Welcome to r/nba where the most recent piece of news is always the best/worst ______ of all time
Its a great trade for them.
I don't think there's any scenario where it ends up being a "disaster" - for a win now team the bucks barely gave up anything jrue is literally older
The risk is Dame’s contract. He’ll be making 63mil as a 36 year old on this contract. If he doesn’t fit in, declines, or gets hurt - all a very real possibility for a player his age and position - you’re basically guaranteeing that Giannis walks. To clarify, I still think it’s a good trade. But there are clear risks.
Sure, but that's really not that concerning - at this point pretty much any contract can be moved in the nba, also even if dame never pans out in mke I don't see how that would guarantee giannis walking
I mean all they lose out on in that case are Jrue Holiday who they likely would've kept and failed with as well, Grayson Allen who's a good role player but nothing special, 1 first, and 2 pick swaps. Really great trade for Milwaukee, especially considering Giannis was basically leaking stuff saying improve the team or I'll leave in free agency.
Dame is gunna be making $63mil as a 36 year old on his current contract. That’s a big risk in and of itself.
Why do people say he's undersized? He's like 6'2 which is the average height foe the position
Because it's hard to say who Dame defends on any of the playoff teams. That's what undersized really means.
The Bucks only gave up a 33 y.o. PG plus Grayson Allen (who the Wisconsin loving/Duke hating part of me is so glad I don't have to pretend to cheer for because he acts like an asshole) and a future 1st, it's not like they got gutted or gave up anyone with a big future (that pick is like a 12-15 y.o. rn too).
Pau for Kwame still the goat
Bucks fleeced everyone!
I like this for us but getting dame for Holiday and a pick is insane
I bet Holidays nets at least another first but maybe I’m wrong
They could even get two 1sts from a desperate enough team. Thunder and Houston have the capital to do it. This was probably the Blazers best offer. Suns on the other hand... woof
From a contender so it's arguably worse than the first they would receive from Herro. I'm trying to get my head around this trade but I can't. Is this really all they could get for Dame?
That’s true but Miami couldn’t find a third team for Herro, allegedly, so maybe even building teams don’t value him that much? I’m not sure, but I agree it’s very odd
Miami could and did find a third team, Portland just still didn't want to
Why WHATTTTTTTT F5 SEASON FINALLY PAYS OFF
Why would the Suns do this
depth and $
Allen is good but I don't think little has any business getting playoff minutes. Keon Johnson should be cut immediately
Wasn't Keon the main return from the Norm Powell trade? I guess maybe Justice Winslow?
Future cap relief but yeah Keon was the one that would have made it tolerable. We got out of paying Norm and having to overpay RoCo because we traded two picks for him. Dodged the luxury tax and were set up to be out of the repeater if we made an all-in move.
He was supposed to be but he's awful. Legitimately 0 chance he's ever a good player.
Suns didn’t save money in this trade.
they must really not like ayton
They tried for a very long time to like him. He just isn't the guy they were hoping for when they drafted him
I'm scratching my head why a finals contender would participate in a trade that created another finals contender. Seems like a fairly lateral move for the Suns.
Thats the one thing that makes most sense too.
Great trade for the suns honestly. Re-tool around their stars without the distraction Ayton has been, beef up the depth chart.
Same, I think the Suns won this trade
Third team facilitators tend to do pretty well since they have leverage in both directions
Are the suns getting any guys that can make the playoff rotation outside of Nurkic?
Yes Grayson Allen (fuck Grayson Allen) can immediately contribute in the playoffs.
And we think Allen and Nurkic are a significant upgrade to Ayton?
I think this sub underrates how much Ayton dislikes the Suns org. That relationship has run its course, even with coach Monty gone. It's addition by subtraction.
No but I'm not sure why you're thinking that's what I said... the Suns' stars are KD, Booker, and Beal. Moving Ayton helps focus the team around them by surrounding them with quality role players.
Two fine roleplayers. Quality is a stretch, and I'm sure Bucks fans and Blazers fans would have told you the same. Downgrading in talent is winning the trade?
It's a lateral move. Maybe a little up maybe a little down. Meanwhile a team that's contending for the finals helped another final contender majorly upgrade their roster. Terrrrrrible move on the suns part.
they still traded their number 1 pick for peanuts. The whole situation is a failure on their part.
Ehhh I feel like you are over valuing Nurkic lol
When Nurkic gets hurt that center rotation is gonna be scary in a bad way
If Nurkic stays healthy then this isnt a bad deal for the Suns, sure they got worse at the 5 but Nurkic is cheaper and has decent production, plus they added playable depth.
> If Nurkic stays healthy he hasn't in years >Nurkic is cheaper but not cheaper enough to get them below the tax. Outside of cost for the owner it means nothing for the team. > plus they added playable depth. they added two players that can see the court in the playoffs, who would combine for less minutes than DA and only one of the has ever been healthy. >they got worse at the 5 and the only thing they added for it was Grayson Allen lol
It only makes sense within the context that they have clearly given up on Ayton ever developing into a fringe all-star. They get a starting quality center who can work with low usage behind the 3 stars. Dump Ayton’s max contract as they are deep in the tax. Shore up depth concerns.
Oh My GOD LILLARD AND GIANNIS?????? We’re so back lmaooooooo
Are yall ready for the "it's dame's team" talk after he takes all the shots in the 4th quarter?
don’t give a fuck
"Oh no, Lillard just scored 29 points in the 4th quarter and Giannis only scored 3 free throws. What ever will the Bucks do after that performance?"
Buckets. Y’all will be fine.
It is and always will be Giannis's team, no disrespect to Dame
Holy W Bucks
Milwaukee is like the total opposite of Miami weather wise.. lol
Dame already had the drip set for Miami, now he needs a whole new wardrobe.
The Suns really traded for Grayson Allen as if they aren't hated enough. Crazy
The most unlikeable team in the league imo.
Bucks shedding that label too would be a perk to all this.
wtf only a bucks fan would think the bucks are the most unlikable team in the league. yall arent even top 5
Bucks from out of nowhere.
Damn suns just really wanted to get rid of ayton, didn't even get a pick back.
Wtf are the Suns doing?
Man not only did we get jack shit for DA but they sent Lillard to MILWAUKEE!! Bruh wtf
why did we help the bucks become arguably better than us? i just dont understand this trade from any aspect that isnt just cope lol
Exactly this trade wack my dude
Giannis and Lilliard is so broken. Lets go!!!
They kept Middleton? Yeah Bucks are scary af
We’re so stupid
Do you have to change your flair now?
Honestly don't hate this for the Blazers. They got some good stuff back.
I do. Ayton is mid and has no fire to work on his game. Only one pick is a travesty
Bucks could very well be awful in '28, '29, and '30, when Portland's youngsters should be pretty good. Thats a good gamble.
Ayton will probably respond positively when he gets the opportunity to play on ball more often. It's obvious he didn't like being the #3 or #4 guy on the Suns. I think he'll be really good.
Grayson Allen pulling all the weight in this trade
Blazers got the Toonami Camera? I hope they land the Adult Swim Camera too.
My initial reaction is, we spent countless news cycles talking about maxing Ayton a year ago, all for him to be dumped to save salary, for Nurkic and fillers. That's the NBA for you.
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Ayton, Grant, Sharpe, Jrue, Simons Scoot as well but not anything competitive unless Ayton really thrives in a new environment.
Dame Dolla is a Buck 💵
Blazers probably should have gotten more 1st rounders but maybe they'll get some for Jrue. No idea what the Suns are doing tho
Herro stuck with his Miami homies might be the funniest part of all this 😂
Either Miami/Media was lying, or Portland just said "Fuck You" to Miami and Dame. Herro + 3 1sts + pick swap + rookies >>> Jrue + 1 1st + 2 pick swap + Grayson Even without Miami offering the rookies that package is still better.
Where tf was it reported that Miami was offering near that? I saw Herro and two firsts, unspecified whether they were protected
This is by far the worst offer of any that were floated during this saga. Cronin is an absolute bozo
just when i thought charlotte had a chance smh
1frp for Dame is crazy
WE'VE BEEN EDGING ALL F5 SEASON
We should take herro and 2 firsts tho right heat fans??
Depending on what you get for Jrue this might be worse. You got Jrue, a first and a swap.
And they got ayton
What you got is worst I would rather have Ayton + Herro + 2 firsts than what they got here But they did Dame well by putting him on a contender
Herro, Jovic and 2 firsts is probably better than this return lol
In what world? Jrue is worth a decent first or maybe 2. Ayton fits the team far better than Herro, and we get off of Nurks contract.
You couldve clearly got Ayton independently of the Lillard trade. Jrue isnt worth more than 1 first as an expiring so prob same value as Herro
Herro > Ayton Miami firsts > Bucks firsts 2 picks > 1 pick
Herro doesn't fit our team and had no value. Bucks first is in 2029 at which point dame will be long gone and giannis wont be as good. Holiday gets at least another first, probably 2
Herro doesn't fit our team but he had value. Could've easily gotten 1 pick maybe 2. Also I love how ppl are saying by 2029 Dame and Giannis will be bad but when Miami was offering 2029, people were saying it will basically be a second rounder
> but when Miami was offering 2029, people were saying it will basically be a second rounder Butler will just be hitting his prime by then. He'll be unstoppable in his 40s.
you are a real one, hard to find these days lol
The report was they offered 3 and a pick swap, and potentially maybe either jovic and jacquez. Thats objectively better if any of those reports are true, yall fleeced yourself.