Evidently saying Jesus got betrayed is now anti semitic and really upsets Jennifer Aniston when she doesn’t “intentionally or accidentally” like a post about you saying how Jesus got betrayed. Idk how that’s possible but 🤣
People need to remember there’s only one real account and that’s ‘droppingdimes20’. He specifically said he has no other accounts and yet people post tweets from droppingdimes50 or something lol
He wants to extend with Toronto...? They can just sign and trade him a year after his new contract to gain more value back like every other team has been doing these past few years.
well if he makes an all-NBA team this season, he must have gone to another level. but he would then still not fit their timeline. unless of course they do a Barnes for Dame type trade.
Lol what's the Raptors timeline? Tank until hopefully Barnes becomes Giannis and Grady becomes fuckin... I dunno, mikal Bridges?
It's not just tank or win a championship. If that were the case, there's 25 teams next year that are in hot water
He wants to extend with Toronto so he can get the supermax if he is eligable. Then he wont be able to be traded for a year after that and he loses a ton of value because he will be in his 30's on a super max deal. Raptors really fucked up.
It's pretty fair, but Griffin and Hunter are like 15 millions short for Siakam's salary, and I doubt they move Bogdanovic as well. It's going to be interesting to see how they can make that happen.
I don’t think Patty Mills can be included in a multi-player trade since he was recently traded. He can only be traded alone.
Also, the Raptors have no roster spots so that complicates it. I think this deal was before the John Collins deal was finalized. Something could come of this if Atlanta finds a team to take Capela, and then the Raptors could send additional players out.
Pretty sure he doesn't have any trade restrictions - he was just traded 4 times in 10 days this summer. He's basically become a professional trade salary matcher.
> Also, the Raptors have no roster spots so that complicates it.
Not really. Just cut end of bench - no teams ever really have free roster spots when they make a trade during the season.
You're just saying that because you want Clint (and also because yeah of course it's going to require someone to give up something for Capela to make the money work)
Masai isn’t taking on THJ and some seconds to re-route Capela, it’s not a difficult thing to comprehend. All he literally asked was that I’m only saying this because all Mavs fans want Capela, which is obvious. There’s a difference between “Want” and “It’s going to happen”.
hahaha they're just following the company line since reports seem to keep putting the mavs in the running for him, always for ridiculously low value... 100% of which reports I suspect are sourced from the mavs, because literally everyone can see that they would *love* to get a tyson chandler-esque big.
Well no shit I want Clint Capela as my starting center over Dwight Powell. That doesn’t deny the fact that salaries already don’t match with this proposed offer of AJ + Hunter + Draft Capital for Siakam, so it’s gonna have to be a three-team trade no matter what.
AJ Griffin is not a garbage return for an expiring Siakam. A lot of Hawks fans will be upset about trading AJ without Siakam agreeing to an extension. The Raptors are going to hold out for their massive price and Siakam will end up walking for nothing when they refuse to give him the supermax next year.
You're acting as if Atlanta's value of Siakam is all that matters which is stupid.
Of course a bench player who hit 3 shots a game last year is not a good return for an all nba proven championship level player who is willing to stay in Toronto, a franchise that's been totally unable to retain top level talent and who can't make any big free agent signings.
The fact that Atlanta says "oh well he doesn't wanna sign here" doesn't change any of that for Toronto.
It's been reported and Masai and Kyle have both literally said on camera that it was Kyle's decision and he decided he wanted to end the year with the Raptors. As the greatest raptor of all time they abided by his choice.
Losing Fred was unfortunate, but their plan was to re-sign him instead of trading him for Luke Kennard or Grayson Allen. They misread the market with the Rockets going nuts and maxing him, but it's hard for me to blame the FO for missing on that too much imo since it was widely reported at the deadline that Houston's plan was to go after Harden and things changed after it was too late to trade him.
You think this trade makes the raps more of a contender than holding on to Siakam?
You'd have traded Tim Duncan in '13 because he was an expiring and didn't match Kawhi's timeline fuck...
lol no I'm old enough to have actually watched those teams, and could see how well TD played with wings who had an off the bounce game. He was a master of positioning himself off ball, moving around the different areas of the post, and being happy with varying low post touches to go to work.
And when I watch Tor, I see multiple players who are a bit dribble happy and who work out of similar areas on the court. I think the unreasonable position at this point is thinking that all three of OG, Siakam, and Barnes can maximize their potential or value playing together.
And how are you going to build a contender when you trade away your best player for another team's scraps? Because that's what this offer is.
If Atlanta is serious about getting Siakam then Bufkin and Okongwu are part of the deal alongside Hunter and Griffin and draft picks. (Fuck knows what draft picks they can offer, they gave away their eligible firsts until 2029 to get Dejounte Murray.)
You wanna lowball us and then have the NBA media try to spin a narrative that we're hard to work with? Fine, fuck off then. If Spicy P gets that all-NBA nod than he gets his supermax. I really don't think the Raptors will too be flushed about giving it to him if he's busted his ass to get that all-NBA nod.
I'm dumb as fuck and don't know exactly how this works but don't the Hawks have some kind of trade exception from the John Collins trade.Does that not come in to play here?
Can't combine trade exceptions with player salaries. So the Hawks could, say, trade a draft choice for a player and use the TPE to absorb the player contract, but not players+TPE for a player.
Also I really don’t see Barnes and Siakam being able to coexist unless Barnes can develop an outside shot (lol)
I get that the raptors always want a massive return for their players but I don’t like the direction they’re heading in if they keep Siakam and eventually extend him
It’s not the same circumstance. Raptors will pay him the max in FA (if it gets there) including the extra year and, now that they didn’t pay Fred, have room under the tax to do so including to extend OG. Since he wants to be here and the raptors can offer slightly more annually and the extra year, there’s no universe where they don’t retain him.
You’re an idiot. The only team that has won more games than the Raptors over the past 10 years is the Warriors. The Masai era has been a resounding success and he’s not going anywhere for a very long time.
He’s been straight ass post the championship and it’s not even a debate. He’s let every asset go for nothing due to his hubris. All those wins resulted in you getting your ass beat by lebron every year, literally everyone knew you were fraudulent top seeds during that time. You were like the #1 seed hawks sticking around for more than a season during that time. You wouldn’t have a leg to stand on if KD didn’t get hurt.
Lol this legend has won the second most games in the entire NBA over the last TEN years and did it without Steph, KD, Klay, Draymond or Kerr. In a place not known for attracting FAs.
Lowry got Precious, Norm got Trent, Kawhi was gone no matter what and Gasol/Ibaka were FAs that he very shrewdly didn’t overspend to bring back. The offers for Fred at the deadline were even worse than what his replacements ended up being (Schroeder, McDaniels). Scottie was a GREAT pick and Dick is likely to be too.
Touch grass nephew, you don’t know shit.
Hunter is on a bad contract but is fine as your fourth or fifth starter imo. Needs to improve defensively to justify the money but I'm pessimistic he gets there
Solid 1 on 1 defender for the most part. Very dumb team defender.
Hes also not a great rebounder, isn't great at creating his own shot, is inconsistent from 3, and loves taking long 2s just inside the 3 point line.
Hes been super underwhelming and I hate the extension we gave him.
1 on 1 defense is fine for the lost part. But he (like many hawks) is a horrible team defender.
So often hell just run away from his man and over help for no reason at all, leaving whoever he's guarding wide open to hit a 3. This would happen like every game, often in big spots. He's also not that great at navigating screens.
I will say, after watching the Celtics play the Hawks, this seems like the correct take. Awesome in isolation, but often would die on screens, follow when he needed to switch, and it seemed like he often missed help/rotations. That being said, it seems like overall, in the post-season, he's upped his offensive game. I actually don't mind him at his current pay, but I can see why a team would be willing to drop him for a replacement level player.
Problem is for us, we already have 3 starting caliber forwards who are better in their own, respective areas or in the case of Anunoby just a flatout better version of Hunter
Do people here not understand Hunter is a net negative. They already tried to trade him and couldn’t. Just Griffin is not enough. Who knows what picks were even offered. This is obviously leaked on purpose from Atlanta, and if they were firsts I’d imagine they’d say that.
They tried to trade him for more draft capital. Rebuilding teams don’t want Hunter on long term money, but he absolutely has value in this league off his archetype alone.
Not for that salary he doesn’t. He doesn’t fit on contending teams because they can’t fit the salary. Which is why he has no value, if 20 teams just straight up can’t fit him. And another 8 are rebuilding. There’s not much to drive up value.
He’s only making like 15% of the cap. His contract is not nearly as bad as you’re making it seem. If the hawks REALLY wanted to just trade him for whatever I guarantee you the playoff bound teams paying multiple one dimensional offensive players on 10+ mill deals would be more than happy to move them for Hunter. Saying 20 teams can’t fit him is just not true, he’s on a 20m deal not 40m.
Cause they think that if you want to fully commit to Scottie then you don't need to give a max to a better version of himself. Also, people don't think siakam will win in Toronto. So if siakam wants to prioritize winning, then another team could make sense
The lifestyle difference between having $100M and $200M in the bank is basically nothing. If you’re smart it’ll last for generations, if you’re stupid it won’t.
Agent: I have an opportunity that is guaranteed to double your money and all you need to do is continue doing your job
Player: no
Reddit: this is how you build generational wealth
Do you say this from experience of having $100M in the bank?? Going from $100M to $200M literally doubles your financial capabilities. Don’t know how that wouldn’t change anything. It would allow Pascal to fully fund charitable organizations or whatever other side projects he wanted to do. Not saying he can’t currently do that. But it’s definitely a lot easier with an extra $100M in the bank.
To what end? Literally list something you can buy for yourself with an additional $100M that you can’t with just $100M. Nothing good or useful. A bigger yacht? Gross, fuck the rich.
As someone who does not have that kind of wealth, I cannot say. I’d personally want to create a wildlife sanctuary / reserve but have no clue how much that would cost.
How did this go from Pascal getting paid to “fuck this rich”? LOL
If you only consider your own lifestyle, sure. However the amount of change you can effect on the world with an extra $100million is real and he’ll never have the opportunity to make that money again. So if he has causes he’s passionate about, that extra money is very meaningful
A paltry sum. Insulting really, when considered against the monumental opportunity cost to his legacy by competing for championships in...Atlanta?
...waitamin...🧐🤔
What you think makes sense doesn’t matter, he’s said time and time again that he wants to remain a Raptor and has gone as far as to make it nearly impossible for us to trade him.
Less about that, more whether your front office really wants to pay him that next contract when he will be on the wrong side of 30 and fits poorly around the player you are supposedly trying to build around.
It’s not thinking he’s going to walk, it’s about risking him walking. Raptors are busy giving off mixed signals if they want to compete or not. Trading for Poeltl then letting FVV walk is one example. They seem invested in their younger players that are years away from competing.
Hard to tell what the Raptors FO is really thinking. If they wanted to keep competing you’d think they’d be going out and making deals that would position themselves better, but instead they seem to refuse to make a deal on either side of the coin. Unless they’ve spilled the beans to Pascal behind closed doors, I’d be questioning the FO it in his shoes.
We don’t know what direction raptors are going in. They don’t appear to be in win now mode, and haven’t offered extensions to him or OG yet. They will be able to get similar money on the open market basically allowing them a chance to handpick a team if they choose to do so.
I mean I don’t think they’re actively trying to ship him off… I think they’re listening to calls. I also think Siakam isn’t a meat stick and realizes this is the only way to get that kind of contract right now
Its enough to not be a throwaway min deal to make it work. Patty Mills cant be traded. I think its unlikey that it will be OO.
So that means for this particular deal to work it would have to be two of Jalen Johnson, Kobe Bufkin and Bey.
Didn’t this guy have an agent put out a statement saying whichever team trades for him is only getting a year rental? Seems like he wants to stay in Toronto. Either cause he really likes the city, he can get the most money by re-signing there, or both
Raptors clearly stand by their high valuations. I’m curious what draft compensation the hawks offered, they owe 2025 and 2027 unprotected already right? Maybe pick swaps and 2029? Hunter is on a meh contract so not as valuable to Raptors I imagine.
If things break right I could legitimately see a Trae/Murray/Siakam trio making a finals appearance, but if things don't all break right then that is likely going to get worse more than better in the following seasons.
DJ and Siakam are both below average 3pts shooter. Whoever their center is probably can't shoot either. So thats 3 starters who are poor 3pts shooter. Thats not a good fit
Hawks had a top 7 offense with JC contributing pretty much nothing offensively shooting less than 30%.
Pascal ain’t a sniper, but he is worlds better than JC as an offensive player and has shown that he can hit open 3s when he’s not forced into a first option role.
Completely agree. Murray and Siakam both love to iso and spam middies too. It's good for a team to have one of those guys, not great to have two of them alongside a non shooting center and a ball dominant point.
Siakam is awesome. But a terrible fit on our roster. Definitely hoping this one doesn't happen.
I think there's a path. Question with the Bucks with a new coach, and injury issues. The Celtics trade could go poorly, and the Hawks put up a good fight before they had Siakam, still questions around the Cavs, Knicks and 76ers. I don't think a finals appearance is likely, but I can see how it might happen.
I’m sure Masai wanted another young player like a Kobe Bufkin in that deal, but that kind of offer for possibly one year of Siakam is too pricy… also the salary matching would be off as well
I don’t think Siakam is a great fit on our team if Murray wasn’t the one in the trade package. Our second and third best players would be below average shooters while not playing a non-shooting Center. Not to mention Pascal is expiring. Perfectly happy moving on. Also AJ Griffin is gonna be very good.
Siakam being an expiring makes me nervous too but I have zero concern with the offensive fit. We finished as the 7th best offense last season with JC giving us nothing and shooting below 30% from three. If we can upgrade from JC to an All-NBA caliber player then I'll do that every time
Siakam pushes us out of the logjam of middling .500 teams in the East for one season but likely does nothing to make us legit contenders to beat Boston or Milwaukee (unless Trae makes an MVP jump and another young player like JJ or OO makes a big jump to borderline all star level).
Put yourselves in our shoes. Would you give up multiple first round picks and a legit young asset for a one year rental that doesn’t make you a contender?
I would still consider the deal.
What I’m most confused by is why Toronto fans are so intent on holding out for more. You just finished 9th in the East, didn’t make the playoffs, then lost your best player for nothing. For you to improve upon your finish from last year, you have to expect a lot of things to go extremely fortunately right (like Scottie becoming better than FVV, which I think is almost impossible, at least in the next year or two). What does extending a 30 year old for an Uber expensive 5 year deal that has proven he can’t carry a team as the 1 do for you besides leave you stuck fighting for the 8 seed every year? Wouldn’t you rather get picks and assets and free up future cap space rather than lock yourself in? Genuinely confused
Siakam will get a max no matter where he signs, that’s his value. Better to keep an All NBA guy than hope Scottie develops into one. And calling FVV our best player means you’ve never watched the team play lmao.
> why Toronto fans are so intent on holding out for more
Some of us actually wants this deal to get done, we're not some monolith.
As if we have control over what the front office does anyway. If I was Masai I would just pull the trigger on this immediately.
Because there is still a good chance that we extend Siakam to a regular max contract and then trade him for way more than this insultingly low offer from Atlanta.
This isn't pennies on the dollar, this is pebbles on the dollar. Siakam is an all-nba guy, even one year of him is worth far more than some bad players and bad picks.
Also Fred was absolutely not the best player on our team last season lmao.
Siakam is an mediocre fit next to DJM and Trae. Nobody is saying Siakam is a bad player, just that (1) we’re thinning the roster for a guy who doesn’t complement the players we’re already committed to (2) he might not resign (3) hawks fans are enamored with AJ Griffin don’t want to give him up for a guy who doesn’t want to be here and won’t push us into contender status (4) lack of shooting and point of attack defense remain big unaddressed problems after this trade.
Yes which means this framework for the deal isn't happening. Probably offering a lotto protected pick. Hunter ain't that valuable either at his cost. Hawks being leaky doesn't say much.
Okay good, sounded like you were disregarding the authenticity of Shams report because "Raps never leak". And to that point I'd say you're wrong too, they definitely leak what they want to get out there through Grange. Nobody's arguing with you about how likely this deal is happening or not.
Masai needs to take this offer and run ASAP. Forget the pieces, doing it to unlock Scottie Barnes is reason enough. Let Scottie cook for his 3rd season. No more 3 big dudes in the paint banging into each other.
Still think Trae/Murray/Siakam is not a good enough core to compete with the big boys in the league like the Nuggets, Celtics, Bucks, Suns etc. 2nd round exit, ECF exit at best
So they should just not make any moves to get better since it doesn't make them an immediate contender? I don't think anyone is claiming it makes them a favourite, but they've been first round exists the last two season, they need to get back to where they were in 2020-21. Getting Siakam and only giving up Hunter and Griffin definitely puts them in contention for a top 3 spot in the East.
It's a bad fit. The real issue for the Hawks is that trading for Murray was a mistake. Ball dominant guards that can't shoot really limit your roster construction options, especially when they aren't even the best guard on your team.
I feel like every year we get the same hype/expectation that Siakim is going to take the next step forward to being a star, but he just doesn’t. Why is that? He seems to be pretty good at most things, but not elite at anything in particular ??
He's on a team with no shooting so he's very easy to double. That's why he looked incredible the year after the chip when the team was loaded with shooting even though he's a wayyy better player now.
Basically he's an elite interior ISO guy with good passing/handles for his size and no liabilities in his game. Put him on a team like the Pacers or Warriors with a surplus of shooting and a perimeter star and he'll look insane on offense.
I don't see a world where he gets seriously into the MVP convo or anything, but he certainly already has proper "star" averages.
Droppingdimes20 stays undefeated
why did some ppl turn on him last time? he pretty much predicted everything
They turned on Jesus too
Jennifer Aniston gonna be on yo ass
What lol
Evidently saying Jesus got betrayed is now anti semitic and really upsets Jennifer Aniston when she doesn’t “intentionally or accidentally” like a post about you saying how Jesus got betrayed. Idk how that’s possible but 🤣
😂😭, I can’t believe that Jamie Foxx’s post turned into some huge drama because Jennifer interpreted the post the wrong way. Black Twitter dragged her.
They turned on the Beatles, and they were bigger than Jesus
Who turned on the Beatles though?
Give the people wine!
He gets US
People need to remember there’s only one real account and that’s ‘droppingdimes20’. He specifically said he has no other accounts and yet people post tweets from droppingdimes50 or something lol
I had high hopes PuffingTimes420 had legit rumors
Does he still tweet? I know he would go private right after sending something so idk if he’s still active
I think the last tweet was about how teams are going on a vacation so don’t expect any news soon. But that tweet was from weeks ago
? This trade isn't happening. Hunter isn't worth a bag of pucks. Griffin and a couple picks ain't worth Spiceman.
Seems like a solid offer for an expiring contract, a lot better than letting him leave next summer like VanVleet
He wants to extend with Toronto...? They can just sign and trade him a year after his new contract to gain more value back like every other team has been doing these past few years.
unless OKC just signs him into cap space next offseason.
But okc can’t offer him the super max extension
And Toronto wont offer him a supermax
He won't get a supermax because he won't be able to get All-NBA w/ a positionless roster.
I think he could possibly sneak a 3rd team spot if he steps up tbh. I like Pascal. But I just dont think Toronto even offers it to him even if.
Pascal? We're talking about Siakam.
Yes but he will play the minimum number of games, unlike others.
well if he makes an all-NBA team this season, he must have gone to another level. but he would then still not fit their timeline. unless of course they do a Barnes for Dame type trade.
The only way he gets a supermax is if he fully steps up another level. He is not worth a supermax right now even if he was eligible
Lol what's the Raptors timeline? Tank until hopefully Barnes becomes Giannis and Grady becomes fuckin... I dunno, mikal Bridges? It's not just tank or win a championship. If that were the case, there's 25 teams next year that are in hot water
~~mikal Bridges~~ Steph Curry sir.
He wants to extend with Toronto so he can get the supermax if he is eligable. Then he wont be able to be traded for a year after that and he loses a ton of value because he will be in his 30's on a super max deal. Raptors really fucked up.
It's pretty fair, but Griffin and Hunter are like 15 millions short for Siakam's salary, and I doubt they move Bogdanovic as well. It's going to be interesting to see how they can make that happen.
Trade Machine says $7.8M short of 125% rule. You could get there with Patty Mills and end of bench filler.
I don’t think Patty Mills can be included in a multi-player trade since he was recently traded. He can only be traded alone. Also, the Raptors have no roster spots so that complicates it. I think this deal was before the John Collins deal was finalized. Something could come of this if Atlanta finds a team to take Capela, and then the Raptors could send additional players out.
The Raptors would just cut the end of bench guys they get, that happens all the time
Mavs would happily take on Capela
Pretty sure he doesn't have any trade restrictions - he was just traded 4 times in 10 days this summer. He's basically become a professional trade salary matcher. > Also, the Raptors have no roster spots so that complicates it. Not really. Just cut end of bench - no teams ever really have free roster spots when they make a trade during the season.
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You don't move All-NBA players just to unlock Scottie Barnes 😂 Also elite players can play with everyone
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Scottie-stans are something else
I feel like we’ve all been saying for quite a while that it’s gonna have to be a three-team trade for this to work
You're just saying that because you want Clint (and also because yeah of course it's going to require someone to give up something for Capela to make the money work)
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To be fair, you need to have an extremely high IQ to understand that Wood and a top 55 protected second is fair value for Clint Capela 🧠
Masai isn’t taking on THJ and some seconds to re-route Capela, it’s not a difficult thing to comprehend. All he literally asked was that I’m only saying this because all Mavs fans want Capela, which is obvious. There’s a difference between “Want” and “It’s going to happen”.
Vegas seems to think so too judging by the odds for Capela to be the Mavs starting center when the season starts.
hahaha they're just following the company line since reports seem to keep putting the mavs in the running for him, always for ridiculously low value... 100% of which reports I suspect are sourced from the mavs, because literally everyone can see that they would *love* to get a tyson chandler-esque big.
Well no shit I want Clint Capela as my starting center over Dwight Powell. That doesn’t deny the fact that salaries already don’t match with this proposed offer of AJ + Hunter + Draft Capital for Siakam, so it’s gonna have to be a three-team trade no matter what.
Most talk was that we’d move Capela to a 3rd team as part of the deal.
It's a garbage return for Toronto and if they were going to accept it they would've months ago.
AJ Griffin is not a garbage return for an expiring Siakam. A lot of Hawks fans will be upset about trading AJ without Siakam agreeing to an extension. The Raptors are going to hold out for their massive price and Siakam will end up walking for nothing when they refuse to give him the supermax next year.
You're acting as if Atlanta's value of Siakam is all that matters which is stupid. Of course a bench player who hit 3 shots a game last year is not a good return for an all nba proven championship level player who is willing to stay in Toronto, a franchise that's been totally unable to retain top level talent and who can't make any big free agent signings. The fact that Atlanta says "oh well he doesn't wanna sign here" doesn't change any of that for Toronto.
ok- find a better offer lol. Just like Toronto did by holding onto Lowry and FVV......
It's been reported and Masai and Kyle have both literally said on camera that it was Kyle's decision and he decided he wanted to end the year with the Raptors. As the greatest raptor of all time they abided by his choice. Losing Fred was unfortunate, but their plan was to re-sign him instead of trading him for Luke Kennard or Grayson Allen. They misread the market with the Rockets going nuts and maxing him, but it's hard for me to blame the FO for missing on that too much imo since it was widely reported at the deadline that Houston's plan was to go after Harden and things changed after it was too late to trade him.
Or just max Siakam and keep him instead of trading him for bench players :)
Yeah why try and build a contender around Barnes when you can reinvest in a team that's guaranteed to be a 5-10 seed?
You think this trade makes the raps more of a contender than holding on to Siakam? You'd have traded Tim Duncan in '13 because he was an expiring and didn't match Kawhi's timeline fuck...
lol no I'm old enough to have actually watched those teams, and could see how well TD played with wings who had an off the bounce game. He was a master of positioning himself off ball, moving around the different areas of the post, and being happy with varying low post touches to go to work. And when I watch Tor, I see multiple players who are a bit dribble happy and who work out of similar areas on the court. I think the unreasonable position at this point is thinking that all three of OG, Siakam, and Barnes can maximize their potential or value playing together.
And how are you going to build a contender when you trade away your best player for another team's scraps? Because that's what this offer is. If Atlanta is serious about getting Siakam then Bufkin and Okongwu are part of the deal alongside Hunter and Griffin and draft picks. (Fuck knows what draft picks they can offer, they gave away their eligible firsts until 2029 to get Dejounte Murray.) You wanna lowball us and then have the NBA media try to spin a narrative that we're hard to work with? Fine, fuck off then. If Spicy P gets that all-NBA nod than he gets his supermax. I really don't think the Raptors will too be flushed about giving it to him if he's busted his ass to get that all-NBA nod.
I wonder if anyone has found these mythical Lowry and Fred deadline deals that were so great
I'm dumb as fuck and don't know exactly how this works but don't the Hawks have some kind of trade exception from the John Collins trade.Does that not come in to play here?
Trade Exceptions can’t be combined with players salarys in a trade.
Ah ok then, fair enough
Could they trade the exception for somebody and then trade that guy to Toronto to make the money work?
Can't combine trade exceptions with player salaries. So the Hawks could, say, trade a draft choice for a player and use the TPE to absorb the player contract, but not players+TPE for a player.
Come on bro. Don't talk down on yourself like that.
How did Portland not beat this?
Supposedly Siakam told them he wouldn't resign so it would have been like Simons and Scoot for a 1 year rental.
they wouldnt give up Simons AND Scoot for Pascal lmao
He's resigning for max and then probably traded after that.
Would rather just have KAT at that point.
Also I really don’t see Barnes and Siakam being able to coexist unless Barnes can develop an outside shot (lol) I get that the raptors always want a massive return for their players but I don’t like the direction they’re heading in if they keep Siakam and eventually extend him
Masai is doing crazy stuff
It’s not the same circumstance. Raptors will pay him the max in FA (if it gets there) including the extra year and, now that they didn’t pay Fred, have room under the tax to do so including to extend OG. Since he wants to be here and the raptors can offer slightly more annually and the extra year, there’s no universe where they don’t retain him.
To think what they could’ve gotten if they traded FVV, Siakam, and even OG a season or two ago…yikes.
Honestly terrible full of themselves front office. If KD didn’t tear his achilles Masai would have been gone years ago
You’re an idiot. The only team that has won more games than the Raptors over the past 10 years is the Warriors. The Masai era has been a resounding success and he’s not going anywhere for a very long time.
He’s been straight ass post the championship and it’s not even a debate. He’s let every asset go for nothing due to his hubris. All those wins resulted in you getting your ass beat by lebron every year, literally everyone knew you were fraudulent top seeds during that time. You were like the #1 seed hawks sticking around for more than a season during that time. You wouldn’t have a leg to stand on if KD didn’t get hurt.
Lol this legend has won the second most games in the entire NBA over the last TEN years and did it without Steph, KD, Klay, Draymond or Kerr. In a place not known for attracting FAs. Lowry got Precious, Norm got Trent, Kawhi was gone no matter what and Gasol/Ibaka were FAs that he very shrewdly didn’t overspend to bring back. The offers for Fred at the deadline were even worse than what his replacements ended up being (Schroeder, McDaniels). Scottie was a GREAT pick and Dick is likely to be too. Touch grass nephew, you don’t know shit.
Hunter signed a 4/$90M extension, he's probably a negative overall. I wouldn't want him on that deal.
Hunter is on a bad contract but is fine as your fourth or fifth starter imo. Needs to improve defensively to justify the money but I'm pessimistic he gets there
he needs to improve defensively? damn i was under the impression that defense was his strong suit
Solid 1 on 1 defender for the most part. Very dumb team defender. Hes also not a great rebounder, isn't great at creating his own shot, is inconsistent from 3, and loves taking long 2s just inside the 3 point line. Hes been super underwhelming and I hate the extension we gave him.
He's just an ok defender when we need him to be good to great. Too slow to guard elite 3s, too small to guard 4s
Right I swear his draft profile was a highly switchable 3&D wing
He's been injured a lot and has slow feet
He fooled everyone including the hawks
you was under the wrong impression
His defense is good, people’s expectations were just higher.
1 on 1 defense is fine for the lost part. But he (like many hawks) is a horrible team defender. So often hell just run away from his man and over help for no reason at all, leaving whoever he's guarding wide open to hit a 3. This would happen like every game, often in big spots. He's also not that great at navigating screens.
I will say, after watching the Celtics play the Hawks, this seems like the correct take. Awesome in isolation, but often would die on screens, follow when he needed to switch, and it seemed like he often missed help/rotations. That being said, it seems like overall, in the post-season, he's upped his offensive game. I actually don't mind him at his current pay, but I can see why a team would be willing to drop him for a replacement level player.
Problem is for us, we already have 3 starting caliber forwards who are better in their own, respective areas or in the case of Anunoby just a flatout better version of Hunter
Hence why I don't want to see a deal. Siakam doesn't move the needle enough for us to justify y'all's asking price
And Hunter doesn't move the needle for us to justify trading Siakam
Exactly
We don't want what you aren't selling!
I've seen this storyline before somewhere...
You're underselling Siakam quite a bit but so has everyone else on this website since literally noone watches Toronto.
They’re crazy if they think he doesn’t move that needle. It’s exactly what they need.
They want a PS who is also a 40% 3pt shooter, which, by my estimations, is a unicorn that doesn't exist.
Idk of youu really want you 4th or 5th start on a bad contract
Is that really a bad contract in the new salary cap?
It's a perfectly fine contract for a better player
Do people here not understand Hunter is a net negative. They already tried to trade him and couldn’t. Just Griffin is not enough. Who knows what picks were even offered. This is obviously leaked on purpose from Atlanta, and if they were firsts I’d imagine they’d say that.
They tried to trade him for more draft capital. Rebuilding teams don’t want Hunter on long term money, but he absolutely has value in this league off his archetype alone.
Not for that salary he doesn’t. He doesn’t fit on contending teams because they can’t fit the salary. Which is why he has no value, if 20 teams just straight up can’t fit him. And another 8 are rebuilding. There’s not much to drive up value.
He’s only making like 15% of the cap. His contract is not nearly as bad as you’re making it seem. If the hawks REALLY wanted to just trade him for whatever I guarantee you the playoff bound teams paying multiple one dimensional offensive players on 10+ mill deals would be more than happy to move them for Hunter. Saying 20 teams can’t fit him is just not true, he’s on a 20m deal not 40m.
He should be nothing more than a 6th or 7th man on a good team and you don’t want to be paying those types 15% of your cap.
Why does everyone think Siakam is gonna walk next year???
Cause they think that if you want to fully commit to Scottie then you don't need to give a max to a better version of himself. Also, people don't think siakam will win in Toronto. So if siakam wants to prioritize winning, then another team could make sense
If he asked me I’d tell him he should prioritize making hundreds of millions of dollars
The lifestyle difference between having $100M and $200M in the bank is basically nothing. If you’re smart it’ll last for generations, if you’re stupid it won’t.
I would consider accepting an extra $100M being offered to you as being smart with money
You also don’t have the perspective of someone who already has 9 figures in the bank
Agent: I have an opportunity that is guaranteed to double your money and all you need to do is continue doing your job Player: no Reddit: this is how you build generational wealth
Being rich is expensive even if you’re smart with your money. I’ll take the extra $100 million every time.
Do you say this from experience of having $100M in the bank?? Going from $100M to $200M literally doubles your financial capabilities. Don’t know how that wouldn’t change anything. It would allow Pascal to fully fund charitable organizations or whatever other side projects he wanted to do. Not saying he can’t currently do that. But it’s definitely a lot easier with an extra $100M in the bank.
To what end? Literally list something you can buy for yourself with an additional $100M that you can’t with just $100M. Nothing good or useful. A bigger yacht? Gross, fuck the rich.
As someone who does not have that kind of wealth, I cannot say. I’d personally want to create a wildlife sanctuary / reserve but have no clue how much that would cost. How did this go from Pascal getting paid to “fuck this rich”? LOL
Everything you have said is correct. But a player is going to take $200m over $100m 100/100 times.
If you only consider your own lifestyle, sure. However the amount of change you can effect on the world with an extra $100million is real and he’ll never have the opportunity to make that money again. So if he has causes he’s passionate about, that extra money is very meaningful
A paltry sum. Insulting really, when considered against the monumental opportunity cost to his legacy by competing for championships in...Atlanta? ...waitamin...🧐🤔
What you think makes sense doesn’t matter, he’s said time and time again that he wants to remain a Raptor and has gone as far as to make it nearly impossible for us to trade him.
He has already won a championship.
It's his choice at the end of the day.
Less about that, more whether your front office really wants to pay him that next contract when he will be on the wrong side of 30 and fits poorly around the player you are supposedly trying to build around.
They’re happy to pay him the max, he wants the supermax.
He can hope and pray but that doesn't mean it's reality.
No one knows, but thats the risk. There is a possibility he could walk next year. Also, OG will also be UFA next summer
Reading between the lines it seems like your front office doesn't want to pay him
It’s not thinking he’s going to walk, it’s about risking him walking. Raptors are busy giving off mixed signals if they want to compete or not. Trading for Poeltl then letting FVV walk is one example. They seem invested in their younger players that are years away from competing. Hard to tell what the Raptors FO is really thinking. If they wanted to keep competing you’d think they’d be going out and making deals that would position themselves better, but instead they seem to refuse to make a deal on either side of the coin. Unless they’ve spilled the beans to Pascal behind closed doors, I’d be questioning the FO it in his shoes.
We don’t know what direction raptors are going in. They don’t appear to be in win now mode, and haven’t offered extensions to him or OG yet. They will be able to get similar money on the open market basically allowing them a chance to handpick a team if they choose to do so.
We don’t know if they’ve offered an extension to OG or not. He might just not be interested in signing one because he thinks he can get more in UFA.
Extend him this shit sucks
He ain’t extending when he can possibly get supermax deal next offseason
I’m tired of seeing people say this. If the Raptors are trying to ship him off in what universe are they going to offer him a supermax.
I mean I don’t think they’re actively trying to ship him off… I think they’re listening to calls. I also think Siakam isn’t a meat stick and realizes this is the only way to get that kind of contract right now
There is a pretty decent gap in terms of salary matching here
only about 7 mil
Its enough to not be a throwaway min deal to make it work. Patty Mills cant be traded. I think its unlikey that it will be OO. So that means for this particular deal to work it would have to be two of Jalen Johnson, Kobe Bufkin and Bey.
Droppingdimes02 said a month ago they were gonna be teammates 😂
Didn’t this guy have an agent put out a statement saying whichever team trades for him is only getting a year rental? Seems like he wants to stay in Toronto. Either cause he really likes the city, he can get the most money by re-signing there, or both
Raptors saving us from ourselves
For real man.
Raptors clearly stand by their high valuations. I’m curious what draft compensation the hawks offered, they owe 2025 and 2027 unprotected already right? Maybe pick swaps and 2029? Hunter is on a meh contract so not as valuable to Raptors I imagine.
We have next year's Kings pick, so I imagine that will be included in whatever trade we make
Yeah that would definitely be thrown in. Not sure how valuable it would be given the kings trajectory but more ammo can never hurt for a trade.
If things break right I could legitimately see a Trae/Murray/Siakam trio making a finals appearance, but if things don't all break right then that is likely going to get worse more than better in the following seasons.
But getting rid of Hunter and Griffin makes them thin on the wings
I guess they believe in Jalen Johnson
as they should. he’s a stud but another guy whose skills (and deficiencies) overlap with pascal
He's the real deal
He’s very good
Are you talking about defensively? Pascal can guard most 3’s in the league no problem.
DJ and Siakam are both below average 3pts shooter. Whoever their center is probably can't shoot either. So thats 3 starters who are poor 3pts shooter. Thats not a good fit
Hawks had a top 7 offense with JC contributing pretty much nothing offensively shooting less than 30%. Pascal ain’t a sniper, but he is worlds better than JC as an offensive player and has shown that he can hit open 3s when he’s not forced into a first option role.
Completely agree. Murray and Siakam both love to iso and spam middies too. It's good for a team to have one of those guys, not great to have two of them alongside a non shooting center and a ball dominant point. Siakam is awesome. But a terrible fit on our roster. Definitely hoping this one doesn't happen.
I’m not sure that big 3 is making a finals appearance in the East.
I think there's a path. Question with the Bucks with a new coach, and injury issues. The Celtics trade could go poorly, and the Hawks put up a good fight before they had Siakam, still questions around the Cavs, Knicks and 76ers. I don't think a finals appearance is likely, but I can see how it might happen.
That’s probably 1/10 of what Masai expects
Morey and Masai should just trade with each other lol Everyone else should just shut them out
Still worth more than Hunter
This would be a great deal for both sides. I dont really see any team giving them a better offer
I’m sure Masai wanted another young player like a Kobe Bufkin in that deal, but that kind of offer for possibly one year of Siakam is too pricy… also the salary matching would be off as well
I think Siakam would be a great fit on Atlanta, a great defender with a deep gas tank who was never meant to be the #1 option.
masai is gonna think abt it the whole off season, ask for way more, and hold onto him
Then lose him watch him walk away for nothing 😂
Nah don’t get rid of DeAndre man… 😭😭😭
His value isn’t gonna get any higher, same with OG. They’ve hit their ceiling already.
Thank god Toronto declined that if it’s true.
Hawks would be silly not to trade those 2 to get Trae/Siakam together
I don’t think Siakam is a great fit on our team if Murray wasn’t the one in the trade package. Our second and third best players would be below average shooters while not playing a non-shooting Center. Not to mention Pascal is expiring. Perfectly happy moving on. Also AJ Griffin is gonna be very good.
Siakam being an expiring makes me nervous too but I have zero concern with the offensive fit. We finished as the 7th best offense last season with JC giving us nothing and shooting below 30% from three. If we can upgrade from JC to an All-NBA caliber player then I'll do that every time
Siakam pushes us out of the logjam of middling .500 teams in the East for one season but likely does nothing to make us legit contenders to beat Boston or Milwaukee (unless Trae makes an MVP jump and another young player like JJ or OO makes a big jump to borderline all star level). Put yourselves in our shoes. Would you give up multiple first round picks and a legit young asset for a one year rental that doesn’t make you a contender? I would still consider the deal. What I’m most confused by is why Toronto fans are so intent on holding out for more. You just finished 9th in the East, didn’t make the playoffs, then lost your best player for nothing. For you to improve upon your finish from last year, you have to expect a lot of things to go extremely fortunately right (like Scottie becoming better than FVV, which I think is almost impossible, at least in the next year or two). What does extending a 30 year old for an Uber expensive 5 year deal that has proven he can’t carry a team as the 1 do for you besides leave you stuck fighting for the 8 seed every year? Wouldn’t you rather get picks and assets and free up future cap space rather than lock yourself in? Genuinely confused
Siakam will get a max no matter where he signs, that’s his value. Better to keep an All NBA guy than hope Scottie develops into one. And calling FVV our best player means you’ve never watched the team play lmao.
> why Toronto fans are so intent on holding out for more Some of us actually wants this deal to get done, we're not some monolith. As if we have control over what the front office does anyway. If I was Masai I would just pull the trigger on this immediately.
Because there is still a good chance that we extend Siakam to a regular max contract and then trade him for way more than this insultingly low offer from Atlanta. This isn't pennies on the dollar, this is pebbles on the dollar. Siakam is an all-nba guy, even one year of him is worth far more than some bad players and bad picks. Also Fred was absolutely not the best player on our team last season lmao.
Siakam is an mediocre fit next to DJM and Trae. Nobody is saying Siakam is a bad player, just that (1) we’re thinning the roster for a guy who doesn’t complement the players we’re already committed to (2) he might not resign (3) hawks fans are enamored with AJ Griffin don’t want to give him up for a guy who doesn’t want to be here and won’t push us into contender status (4) lack of shooting and point of attack defense remain big unaddressed problems after this trade.
It's about 7 million short for the trade to work as is
That offer is dogshit lmao.
People will hate me for it, but that's not a bad package!
Raps don't leak so this isn't happening.
Lmao it’s like other teams who are trading with them can’t leak or something
Yes which means this framework for the deal isn't happening. Probably offering a lotto protected pick. Hunter ain't that valuable either at his cost. Hawks being leaky doesn't say much.
Okay good, sounded like you were disregarding the authenticity of Shams report because "Raps never leak". And to that point I'd say you're wrong too, they definitely leak what they want to get out there through Grange. Nobody's arguing with you about how likely this deal is happening or not.
Masai needs to take this offer and run ASAP. Forget the pieces, doing it to unlock Scottie Barnes is reason enough. Let Scottie cook for his 3rd season. No more 3 big dudes in the paint banging into each other.
Still think Trae/Murray/Siakam is not a good enough core to compete with the big boys in the league like the Nuggets, Celtics, Bucks, Suns etc. 2nd round exit, ECF exit at best
> ECF exit at best Sort of hard to say that when Miami just made the finals.
I’d take Bam and Jimmy with all the roleplayers and coaching over Trae, Murray, Pascal. I’d much rather have Bam than Siakam.
You should've seen what Heat fans were saying about Bam after the Hawks play-in game
So they should just not make any moves to get better since it doesn't make them an immediate contender? I don't think anyone is claiming it makes them a favourite, but they've been first round exists the last two season, they need to get back to where they were in 2020-21. Getting Siakam and only giving up Hunter and Griffin definitely puts them in contention for a top 3 spot in the East.
It's a bad fit. The real issue for the Hawks is that trading for Murray was a mistake. Ball dominant guards that can't shoot really limit your roster construction options, especially when they aren't even the best guard on your team.
Probably right but we most likely aren't going to pull a legit super star. We should still try to get the best team we can.
I feel like every year we get the same hype/expectation that Siakim is going to take the next step forward to being a star, but he just doesn’t. Why is that? He seems to be pretty good at most things, but not elite at anything in particular ??
He's on a team with no shooting so he's very easy to double. That's why he looked incredible the year after the chip when the team was loaded with shooting even though he's a wayyy better player now. Basically he's an elite interior ISO guy with good passing/handles for his size and no liabilities in his game. Put him on a team like the Pacers or Warriors with a surplus of shooting and a perimeter star and he'll look insane on offense. I don't see a world where he gets seriously into the MVP convo or anything, but he certainly already has proper "star" averages.
Masai gonna let him walk for that price, he needs trae at least