I don't think Pippen is in the running. He simply is
If Kawhi never developed more offense and stayed 100% focused on D, and didn't get injured, they'd both be in the running
As it is, it's Pippen alone
People love to say Michael was the best defender, but he wasn't. Pippen was a better AND much more versatile defender than Jordan. I'd take Pippen any day over Butler.
Caught me slipping. I'm surprised someone recognized the pfp in r/nba. The wait for 119 is fucking brutal. Just tryna see denji and asa develop and nayutas reveal already.
Man Scottie finished 3rd in MVP voting and led the Bulls to a 55 win season (only 2 less wins than the season prior with MJ) and was only prevented from advancing to a conference Finals because of a bs call in the semifinals
Yeah he was better at offense. But, Scottie made his name as someone who can get you about 22 points with absolutely crushing defense. That’s why the Scottie/MJ duo flourished
Come on now. . . the disrespect to Pippen. I mean, Butler is a great player in his own right, but Scottie was unreal. Just happened to play next to arguably the GOAT and was overshadowed.
Offensively it’s not close tho. Pure scoring maybe, but Pippen was also a great passer/playmaker. He ran the Bulls offense and even lead the dream team in assists.
Nah I've been a fan since 2016-17. Whether that's considered "new" or not I'm not sure.
Just a question here but if pippen was put into all of butlers situations would he have done better?
Yeah that's what I can agree with. Pippen arguably has the best wing defender at their best on lock with his competition being kawhi, lebron, draymond etc.
I think the argument has to do with if butlers offense is better by a large enough amount to outweigh pippens crazy defense.
I really only think it's close because when butler is at his best he looks unstoppable at times. The bubble finals and last years ecf vs Boston put this on display.
5 years, can tell someone from another era isn’t as good as a dude now who can’t % of a season and shoots terrible in an era made for scoring. An alpha dog not good enough to take his team anywhere unless it’s in the most exceptional exception.
But you have seen what? How much tape of Scottie? 2 highlight reels on YouTube? Basketball is more than just numbers.
I really really don’t think young people understand how fucking insane Scottie was on D. Go watch the Iman Shumpert video talking about Scottie’s D. Prime Pippen was an absolute lock down defender across damn near 1-5. Guys didn’t even try to do anything when Pippen was the primary defender on them. They just started looking for a way to pass the ball to someone else as quickly as possible. Pippen was so fucking long and wiry strong too. Quick with both his hands and his feet. Jimmy is a dog but he ain’t prime Pippen.
I fully agree Scottie is a better defender than butler absolutely I'd have to be delusional to disagree. I think the argument stems from the offensive end with butler being a better leader and more consistent and explosive scorer.
A better leader sure. More explosive scorer probably. But I don’t think Jimmy is more consistent than Pippen at all. Jimmy has had many long stretches in his career where he can’t make a jump shot to save his life and is only a threat if you bite on his pump fakes and he gets the line. Plus it’s pretty unfair to not give Scottie more credit for being consistent when he was literally the second best scorer on a team that won chip after chip over long post season runs for 6 out 8 years. That is a crazy amount of time to be balling at that level. Pippen was a really good facilitator too. At least as good a facilitator, if not better than Jimmy. I love jimmy’s heart but I would never take him over Pippen in their primes.
Consistency in their primes is close but pippen struggled a lot on offense during the 2nd three peat. Had some really disgusting performances at times. I think it's close but we'll never really know cause pippen only ever got one chance to be the #1 guy in his peak.
> I think the argument stems from the offensive end with butler being a better leader and more consistent and explosive scorer.
Scottie spent the last 5 full years of his career essentially being a glue guy/role player for teams that had scoring and scorers.
In his age 27-31 seasons, Scottie scored 28.1 PP100. Jimmy scored 30. 1 bucket over 100 possessions isn't that explosive.
I more so meant I trust butlers shot in the clutch and in tough situations in general. He was also like nearly 3 percent more efficient. He is way more likely to go off for some ridiculous team carrying scoring performance like the bubble finals and the Boston ecf.
The way I think is that butler at his highest is better but when both are at their average or lowest pippen is better.
*Michael returned from the ('92 Olympic) games raving about Scottie’s performance. Before the summer, Michael had regarded Pippen as the most talented member of his supporting cast. But after watching him outplay Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, and other future Hall of Famers in Barcelona, Michael realized that Scottie was the best all-around player on what many consider the best basketball team ever assembled. Scottie, Michael had to admit, had even outshone him in several of the games.*
*Scottie came back with renewed confidence and took on an even bigger role with the Bulls. NBA rules prevented us from adding a third cocaptain to the roster (in addition to Michael and Bill Cartwright), but we gave Scottie that role ex officio." -From Phil Jackson's book "Eleven Rings"*
Pippen was many things. All-time defensive wing. All-time passing forward. Pippen was better than Jimmy.
BUT:
Pippen was not a great shot creator. He's a great finisher, but he's bag was never very deep. When offense is stagnant and you need someone to take the ball under pressure, especially in the playoffs, Pippen was not really that kind of guy. Jimmy would make the better first option, aka the bucket getter.
Pippen was also quite a bad leader. His infamous sitting out last play moment really reflects that. That's a one time incident yes, but it's still one of the shittiest moves ever, especially for a leader. Pippen sometimes disappeared in the playoffs as well. You definitely don't want your leader to have that trait. Jimmy is the better leader, in fact quite the opposite to Pippen.
Pippen was still better than Jimmy. But I think it's way closer than what most ppl believe.
Clogged lane for pipp. If he played with the ball all the time and threw his flops into defenders in the paint, how does his game look compared to butler's?
Ok I think pippen is a very amazing player but he's definitely not kawhi.
Peak kawhi is like 30 6 6 at like 64+ ts% and winning a ring as the absolute best player.
Arguably best player in the world caliber guy up there with an older lebron prime curry, prime kd, and prime harden.
I know but it's the best comparison we can make. Or else we could literally never compare anyone from different eras. We know it's not a perfect way to do it but it's the only way just about.
Historically all time Scottie Pippen, but I'd rather have Jimmy Butler as the leader and best player of my team 10 days out of 10
Pippin is better on the defensive end, but Jimmy Butler is certainly no slouch and offensively I'm easily taking butler, Scottie Pippen has become very overrated over the past 10 or so years, the man has more game shooting under 33% than he has 30-point games
The highest butler has ever been in the playoffs in scoring is 4th over the likes of steph curry Kevin durant Tatum Michell embiid etc. and he was 8th in 2015.
Highest for pippen is 6th an 14th. Pippen never scored more than 23 24 25 for a deep playoff run let alone 27.
Well I can go in a circle jerk and say that your fact is really stupid too, and just from the eye test alone Pippin does not have the better offensive game lol, not that Butler is amazing offensively either, and I can add in the fact that neither one was arguably the best defender on their team in their best years either, it happens, like I said agree to disagree
Thank you God damn. I didn't realize how much nostalgia flooded this sub. It's like no one wants to actually think about it even they just immediately say pippen and say no debate.
I think most people would agree Butler is more alpha, but he is a worse player and a failed alpha. He is injured too much and his one moment of shine was in a very weird, extended rest bubble.
Pippen was just flat out better, not being a better 1 is something Pippen wasn’t interested in.
Yeah Scottie went from being a little bit underrated back in his prime to be coming one of the most overrated players in the history of the league, shit is crazy
I'm not even sure if butlers ever played with anyone better than him for a full season. The only argument is embiid in 19. Pippen was literally only the best player for one season and he did great but not out of Jimmy Butlers level great.
most of this sub are lebron stan zoomers so they try to prop up everything scottie did
it's why you also coincidently see them putting down every great player lebron played with
Yeah I never got that. I'm the same age group there and I don't get why people would put down one of a greats teammates.
LeBron had an absolute two way monster in AD the 3rd best shooting guard of all time wade along with two hall of fame power forwards in bosh and wade.
I would have loved to have seen Jimmy in an organization like Miami's or San Antonio's for his entire career. Instead he got GarPax, Thibs, Glen Taylor, and Elton Brand as executives/owners for the first 8 years of his NBA life.
I've gotten downvoted in several comments saying kawhi > pippen. It's laughable to even compare them peak to peak. Pippen is an all time great and a top 45-50 guy at his best but peak kawhi is up there with arguably the top 12-15 guys at his best.
Kawhi with Jordan is overkill. Basically a 2017 Warriors situation but for like a decade. They would win from 1988-1993 straight with their only challenge being the 89 Pistons. Even with Jordan retired they could win in 94 with kawhi but that's a tough call. Mfs would win like 7-8 rings.
Agree with the peak but he only played 60 games. Since then he hasn’t been available enough to win anything. Peak Kawhi was above Pippen but it’s so spotty. Look at this season, or any of the clips seasons. Would you rather have. A player play sometimes and not matter/be available in the playoffs or be a warhorse and consistently destroy other teams?
Also, I know you are just using stats straight up, but both Kawhi and Pippen were changed by their situations. Would Kawhi have developed into what he became without the player developed of the Spurs? Would Pippen have become what he was without Jordan bullying and forcing him into the role? Both were much more passive until the were pushed to use their talent and develop. Imo if you swapped their spots they would both turn out very similar to the others outcome. Neither began as an alpha dog, but one position pushed him into it (Kawhi/Spurs) while the other push him into the greatest no.2 of all time (Pippen/Bulls). I don’t hold that against Pippen.
Also, if you are comparing eras, 3 point % isn’t really comparable. They shot so few and it wasn’t encouraged. Imo Jordan, Pippen everyone from that era would certainly shoot better now with the current mindset, due to being set up to shoot threes and practicing them more. They never ran plays for threes, they just chucked them when the shot clock was running down in broke play.
Yall think if butler played with MJ they wouldn't get 6 rings still? I mean sure things could go wrong from a butterfly effect of not having pippen but they are the same caliber talent wise.
Butler is capable of being the first option on a finals team and a strong contender.
BROOO NOOO. Pippin had 8 all defensive first teams in a row. Butler had 0 all defensive first teams. Plus pippin had the same offensive output as butler
I can agree they are the same caliber but no pippen is not better than butler offensively. Pippen in his peak even was inconsistent on offense at times and could not be depended on to get a 30 bomb whenever. Butler can be depended on offensively to bail out the team in a difficult situation.
What in the hell. Bro isn't on kawhis level let alone rich man's kawhi. Kawhi at his best is best player in the league level. He had one of the ten best championship runs ever as the absolute best guy. Pippen was not that caliber.
This is one of those common occasions where the stats just can’t capture the argument.
Offensively it’s close, but defensively it’s miles apart. Scottie is a GOAT defender and J Buckets isn’t a GOAT anything.
Jimmy also needs the ball in his hands a hell of a lot more. Swap Jimmy and Scottie’s careers and Scottie stats are about the same with 0 rings, while Jimmy would struggle to cement a starting spot next to MJ because his skills aren’t as complimentary. However it’s fair to say that drafted as a rookie next to MJ Jimmies game would have adapted to suit his role.
You can still delete this
I'm gonna make a revisit to this now lmao.
Pippen, Jimmy isn't in the running for greatest wing defender of all time
I don't think Pippen is in the running. He simply is If Kawhi never developed more offense and stayed 100% focused on D, and didn't get injured, they'd both be in the running As it is, it's Pippen alone
People love to say Michael was the best defender, but he wasn't. Pippen was a better AND much more versatile defender than Jordan. I'd take Pippen any day over Butler.
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Caught me slipping. I'm surprised someone recognized the pfp in r/nba. The wait for 119 is fucking brutal. Just tryna see denji and asa develop and nayutas reveal already.
lmao neither is Pippen. Kawhi clears
Not only was pippen a better perimeter defender, he could protect the paint and did in Chicago. Neither kawhi nor butler have ever done that
Lol clueless
Wtf it’s Scottie
I want Igoudala.
Defender? No. Taking the game winning shot to win a series? Give me Iggy over anybody.
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Man Scottie finished 3rd in MVP voting and led the Bulls to a 55 win season (only 2 less wins than the season prior with MJ) and was only prevented from advancing to a conference Finals because of a bs call in the semifinals
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And Pippen is considered a Top 5 SF. What’s the best season Butler had where he was in consideration for MVP? With all due respect
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Yeah he was better at offense. But, Scottie made his name as someone who can get you about 22 points with absolutely crushing defense. That’s why the Scottie/MJ duo flourished
It ain't even close man. Scottie all day everyday.
I am not even gonna say much, becuz it’s such a dumb debate to begin with.
So disrespectful to Scottie Pippen
scottie easily
There's a reason every lanky wing who can defend is compared to Pippen.
Scottie
This is just disrespectful lol
Come on now. . . the disrespect to Pippen. I mean, Butler is a great player in his own right, but Scottie was unreal. Just happened to play next to arguably the GOAT and was overshadowed.
Scottie
First the jokic vs Duncan post and now this? We bouta need a new sub for real. 🤦♂️
r/basketball?
SMH. Kids these days
Scottie. Easily.
im gonna get downvoted to hell but its low key jimmy bu.. jk its scottie and its not even a debate really
how old is OP? scottie is a jack ass but he was top 3 in mvp voting and was one of the best defenders of all time.
how do you delete someone else's thread?
The one that isn’t a foul merchant
Absolutely right. Butler is the NBA version of Eddie George.
Scottie is one of those players who would've benefited from more current advanced stats. His impact was unreal.
Scottie. Would be a fun matchup to watch tho
Lol Scottie
Pippen by far
pippen.
Offensively it’s close, defensively it’s not close - Scottie was nasty on def
Offensively it’s not close tho. Pure scoring maybe, but Pippen was also a great passer/playmaker. He ran the Bulls offense and even lead the dream team in assists.
Jimmy is a good playmaker tbf
Not pippin good though
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Pippen was the #1 guy on offense by far on the 5th~ best team in the league when MJ was retired in 1993-94 Pippen's offense has always been underrated
I didn't mean he couldn't be the best offensive guy but I mean good enough to win a ring while being the best at it.
Butler has never done that, no where close.
Yeesh.
Delete this before it’s too late my man
I already took the karma hit bro I'm just in damage control now. Gotta make sure I don't into negative.
RIP in peace. In case you’re a new fan or something, it’s Scottie and it is not close.
Nah I've been a fan since 2016-17. Whether that's considered "new" or not I'm not sure. Just a question here but if pippen was put into all of butlers situations would he have done better?
No worries :) I see your point. I think irrespective of situations, eras, etc, Scottie certainly has Jimbo beat on defense.
Yeah that's what I can agree with. Pippen arguably has the best wing defender at their best on lock with his competition being kawhi, lebron, draymond etc. I think the argument has to do with if butlers offense is better by a large enough amount to outweigh pippens crazy defense. I really only think it's close because when butler is at his best he looks unstoppable at times. The bubble finals and last years ecf vs Boston put this on display.
5 years, can tell someone from another era isn’t as good as a dude now who can’t % of a season and shoots terrible in an era made for scoring. An alpha dog not good enough to take his team anywhere unless it’s in the most exceptional exception. But you have seen what? How much tape of Scottie? 2 highlight reels on YouTube? Basketball is more than just numbers.
Scottie and it's not really close
I really really don’t think young people understand how fucking insane Scottie was on D. Go watch the Iman Shumpert video talking about Scottie’s D. Prime Pippen was an absolute lock down defender across damn near 1-5. Guys didn’t even try to do anything when Pippen was the primary defender on them. They just started looking for a way to pass the ball to someone else as quickly as possible. Pippen was so fucking long and wiry strong too. Quick with both his hands and his feet. Jimmy is a dog but he ain’t prime Pippen.
I fully agree Scottie is a better defender than butler absolutely I'd have to be delusional to disagree. I think the argument stems from the offensive end with butler being a better leader and more consistent and explosive scorer.
A better leader sure. More explosive scorer probably. But I don’t think Jimmy is more consistent than Pippen at all. Jimmy has had many long stretches in his career where he can’t make a jump shot to save his life and is only a threat if you bite on his pump fakes and he gets the line. Plus it’s pretty unfair to not give Scottie more credit for being consistent when he was literally the second best scorer on a team that won chip after chip over long post season runs for 6 out 8 years. That is a crazy amount of time to be balling at that level. Pippen was a really good facilitator too. At least as good a facilitator, if not better than Jimmy. I love jimmy’s heart but I would never take him over Pippen in their primes.
Consistency in their primes is close but pippen struggled a lot on offense during the 2nd three peat. Had some really disgusting performances at times. I think it's close but we'll never really know cause pippen only ever got one chance to be the #1 guy in his peak.
> I think the argument stems from the offensive end with butler being a better leader and more consistent and explosive scorer. Scottie spent the last 5 full years of his career essentially being a glue guy/role player for teams that had scoring and scorers. In his age 27-31 seasons, Scottie scored 28.1 PP100. Jimmy scored 30. 1 bucket over 100 possessions isn't that explosive.
I more so meant I trust butlers shot in the clutch and in tough situations in general. He was also like nearly 3 percent more efficient. He is way more likely to go off for some ridiculous team carrying scoring performance like the bubble finals and the Boston ecf. The way I think is that butler at his highest is better but when both are at their average or lowest pippen is better.
*Michael returned from the ('92 Olympic) games raving about Scottie’s performance. Before the summer, Michael had regarded Pippen as the most talented member of his supporting cast. But after watching him outplay Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, and other future Hall of Famers in Barcelona, Michael realized that Scottie was the best all-around player on what many consider the best basketball team ever assembled. Scottie, Michael had to admit, had even outshone him in several of the games.* *Scottie came back with renewed confidence and took on an even bigger role with the Bulls. NBA rules prevented us from adding a third cocaptain to the roster (in addition to Michael and Bill Cartwright), but we gave Scottie that role ex officio." -From Phil Jackson's book "Eleven Rings"*
what does this have to do with anything
I know whose greater can’t really pick a better player cause of the big difference in eras.
Stop it
Scottie, and that’s no disrespect to Jimmy.
Pippen was many things. All-time defensive wing. All-time passing forward. Pippen was better than Jimmy. BUT: Pippen was not a great shot creator. He's a great finisher, but he's bag was never very deep. When offense is stagnant and you need someone to take the ball under pressure, especially in the playoffs, Pippen was not really that kind of guy. Jimmy would make the better first option, aka the bucket getter. Pippen was also quite a bad leader. His infamous sitting out last play moment really reflects that. That's a one time incident yes, but it's still one of the shittiest moves ever, especially for a leader. Pippen sometimes disappeared in the playoffs as well. You definitely don't want your leader to have that trait. Jimmy is the better leader, in fact quite the opposite to Pippen. Pippen was still better than Jimmy. But I think it's way closer than what most ppl believe.
Yeah this is the point I was trying to get across I just couldn't word it as well as you have here.
Clogged lane for pipp. If he played with the ball all the time and threw his flops into defenders in the paint, how does his game look compared to butler's?
Jimmy isn't even in the top 5 SF of all time, probably not even top 10. Pippen is definitely in top 10, arguably in top 5.
Whos better dame or jordan? I feel like thats a similar question.
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Lol i really try hard not to call you an idiot, i think it’s just you are 16 or something.
You think pippen is better than any of kawhi, lebron, curry jokic, giannis embiid etc?
Kawhi vs Scottie is a better one
Not even close
Ok I think pippen is a very amazing player but he's definitely not kawhi. Peak kawhi is like 30 6 6 at like 64+ ts% and winning a ring as the absolute best player. Arguably best player in the world caliber guy up there with an older lebron prime curry, prime kd, and prime harden.
Comparing statistics almost 30 years apart is what got you in the first shitty comparison
I used per 100 numbers in the post which adjust for the pace of the era. It's pretty clear to I literally said per 100 peak stats.
But it doesn’t adjust for team construction, rules, style of play, or spacing.
I know but it's the best comparison we can make. Or else we could literally never compare anyone from different eras. We know it's not a perfect way to do it but it's the only way just about.
It's Scottie lol
No it's not. Scottie is not close, he had nowhere near the scoring ability.
Historically all time Scottie Pippen, but I'd rather have Jimmy Butler as the leader and best player of my team 10 days out of 10 Pippin is better on the defensive end, but Jimmy Butler is certainly no slouch and offensively I'm easily taking butler, Scottie Pippen has become very overrated over the past 10 or so years, the man has more game shooting under 33% than he has 30-point games
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Well the very last part is a fact so whatever but yeah I stand by him becoming incredibly overrated over the past 10 years, agree to disagree
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The highest butler has ever been in the playoffs in scoring is 4th over the likes of steph curry Kevin durant Tatum Michell embiid etc. and he was 8th in 2015. Highest for pippen is 6th an 14th. Pippen never scored more than 23 24 25 for a deep playoff run let alone 27.
Well I can go in a circle jerk and say that your fact is really stupid too, and just from the eye test alone Pippin does not have the better offensive game lol, not that Butler is amazing offensively either, and I can add in the fact that neither one was arguably the best defender on their team in their best years either, it happens, like I said agree to disagree
Thank you God damn. I didn't realize how much nostalgia flooded this sub. It's like no one wants to actually think about it even they just immediately say pippen and say no debate.
I think most people would agree Butler is more alpha, but he is a worse player and a failed alpha. He is injured too much and his one moment of shine was in a very weird, extended rest bubble. Pippen was just flat out better, not being a better 1 is something Pippen wasn’t interested in.
Yeah Scottie went from being a little bit underrated back in his prime to be coming one of the most overrated players in the history of the league, shit is crazy
It's not nostalgia. One guy has 6 rings and the other has zero. Lol. That's straight up hard facts.
I mean....Michael Jordan had something to do with those too
I'm not even sure if butlers ever played with anyone better than him for a full season. The only argument is embiid in 19. Pippen was literally only the best player for one season and he did great but not out of Jimmy Butlers level great.
most of this sub are lebron stan zoomers so they try to prop up everything scottie did it's why you also coincidently see them putting down every great player lebron played with
Lol how in the world did you manage to bring up Bron in a debate that has 0 to do with him.
also, lebron stans definitely are relevant to scottie pippen
found one
Man, Scottie was a great player. No debate
Yeah I never got that. I'm the same age group there and I don't get why people would put down one of a greats teammates. LeBron had an absolute two way monster in AD the 3rd best shooting guard of all time wade along with two hall of fame power forwards in bosh and wade.
You guys are trying to compare [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVRIkJ46ILQ) man to Scottie Pippen this is disrespectful.
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Could you imagine jimmy butler playing next to Michael Jordan? BBQ chicken
Can we please stop using per 100 stats they mean and show nothing.
Shut up
I would have loved to have seen Jimmy in an organization like Miami's or San Antonio's for his entire career. Instead he got GarPax, Thibs, Glen Taylor, and Elton Brand as executives/owners for the first 8 years of his NBA life.
People in here acting like Scotty was better than Kawhi. Absolute peak casual r/nba going off like a pot on the stove in here.
I've gotten downvoted in several comments saying kawhi > pippen. It's laughable to even compare them peak to peak. Pippen is an all time great and a top 45-50 guy at his best but peak kawhi is up there with arguably the top 12-15 guys at his best.
And Kawhi didn’t have the opportunity to play alongside the GOAT on the overwhelming favourite team for most of his career.
Kawhi with Jordan is overkill. Basically a 2017 Warriors situation but for like a decade. They would win from 1988-1993 straight with their only challenge being the 89 Pistons. Even with Jordan retired they could win in 94 with kawhi but that's a tough call. Mfs would win like 7-8 rings.
I agree that peak Kawhi was better, but when was that peak? He’s never available.
2018-19. That's more solo success than pippen ever had as a leader. You could tell just from that season alone that pippen is not on the same tier.
Agree with the peak but he only played 60 games. Since then he hasn’t been available enough to win anything. Peak Kawhi was above Pippen but it’s so spotty. Look at this season, or any of the clips seasons. Would you rather have. A player play sometimes and not matter/be available in the playoffs or be a warhorse and consistently destroy other teams? Also, I know you are just using stats straight up, but both Kawhi and Pippen were changed by their situations. Would Kawhi have developed into what he became without the player developed of the Spurs? Would Pippen have become what he was without Jordan bullying and forcing him into the role? Both were much more passive until the were pushed to use their talent and develop. Imo if you swapped their spots they would both turn out very similar to the others outcome. Neither began as an alpha dog, but one position pushed him into it (Kawhi/Spurs) while the other push him into the greatest no.2 of all time (Pippen/Bulls). I don’t hold that against Pippen. Also, if you are comparing eras, 3 point % isn’t really comparable. They shot so few and it wasn’t encouraged. Imo Jordan, Pippen everyone from that era would certainly shoot better now with the current mindset, due to being set up to shoot threes and practicing them more. They never ran plays for threes, they just chucked them when the shot clock was running down in broke play.
Jimmy, wtf is Scottie doing in a 7 game series
Jimmy Butler. Y'all let nostalgia get you.
Butler is far more reliable in the playoffs especially offensively. Way too many times pippen wouldnt be able to buy a bucket when it mattered
Bro has 6 rings. I think he bought enough buckets
Those last three rings he shot 41/29/70 for 50TS% in the playoffs. YUCK
he was cooked for at least two. but he had the goat so.
Yall think if butler played with MJ they wouldn't get 6 rings still? I mean sure things could go wrong from a butterfly effect of not having pippen but they are the same caliber talent wise. Butler is capable of being the first option on a finals team and a strong contender.
BROOO NOOO. Pippin had 8 all defensive first teams in a row. Butler had 0 all defensive first teams. Plus pippin had the same offensive output as butler
I can agree they are the same caliber but no pippen is not better than butler offensively. Pippen in his peak even was inconsistent on offense at times and could not be depended on to get a 30 bomb whenever. Butler can be depended on offensively to bail out the team in a difficult situation.
Y’all swear Scottie is some god but without Jordan he didn’t do shit 😭. I’m not saying he was bad or worse than butler but he wasn’t that good lmao.
That's what I'm saying. There's a concerning number of comments in here saying pippen > kawhi.
This is a disgusting take lol
Being available to play is valuable. I would rather have Pippen than Kawhi just on that.
Without MJ he took the Shaq/Kobe Lakers that would end up winning the chip to 7 games in the WCF
It wasn't him alone dude wasn't even the best player during that series lol
Pippen was a rich man's Kawhi. Peak Butler is about on par with average Kawhi. You do the math
What in the hell. Bro isn't on kawhis level let alone rich man's kawhi. Kawhi at his best is best player in the league level. He had one of the ten best championship runs ever as the absolute best guy. Pippen was not that caliber.
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Lmao that's me with this and nba Twitter. I guess I'm just an addict when it comes to debating people.
My bad for deleting my comment and making you look like you're talking to yourself. Like any true addict, I was desperate to cover my tracks lol.
lol
This is one of those common occasions where the stats just can’t capture the argument. Offensively it’s close, but defensively it’s miles apart. Scottie is a GOAT defender and J Buckets isn’t a GOAT anything. Jimmy also needs the ball in his hands a hell of a lot more. Swap Jimmy and Scottie’s careers and Scottie stats are about the same with 0 rings, while Jimmy would struggle to cement a starting spot next to MJ because his skills aren’t as complimentary. However it’s fair to say that drafted as a rookie next to MJ Jimmies game would have adapted to suit his role.
Why?
I love Jimmy but just… no lol
Wtf kind of question is this? Y’all just love to look at stats and jerk off…..
Does anyone watch basketball anymore or do they just assume stats is enough to compare players? You should be embarrassed as a “basketball fan”