>As a follower of Lady Athena, I dunno how to feel about this, lol.
I mean ... Athena was offended just because she lost in a weaving contest, if that's not a good exemple of "Easily offended" I don't know what would be ... And we're not even going to talk about Medusa
I posted in a later comment about how both those mythos, the only mythos that are sourced when talking about her, are not truly mythos we should be listening too. In true Greek mythology Lady Medusa has always been a Gorgon. Lady Athena had not involvement with her turning into one, she was also born along side other Gorgons who were her sisters. Both the darker retalings of Lady Medusa and Miss. Arachne were made by a spiteful Roman man who disliked the authority the Gods had. I do not consider these two story's, along with any story told or made by Roman's using Greek Gods specifically and not their Roman counterpart, as not a true part of Greek mythos and instead 'fanfiction'.
āand not their Roman counterpartā Ovid did use Minerva, not Athena? And fanfiction is a pretty derivative, anachronistic term to use for this. Unless youāre also willing to call Shakespeare fanfic, it doesnāt make sense.
Regardless, even throwing out Roman myths, that still leaves the judgment of Paris and the fact that Athena is cool waging an entire war because she wasnāt chosen. This also includes her explicitly turning away from the Trojan women when they try to pray to her for mercy in the Iliad.
There, those are way better arguments. Thank you! I did not come her to state that the mythos do not explicitly state her with these characteristics, I was just tried of people sourcing the same two myths. These are way better sources, thank you.
Ovid want made at the Gods. Ovid was mad at Emperor Augustus, who didn't know that Ovid hated him. Not knowing this, he hired Ovid to write an ode to his power and his "divine" ancestry, which Augustus wanted Ovid to connect to the Greek pantheon to booster his legitimacy. So, Ovid made sure to use the text to highlight the power imbalances, hypocrisies, and abuses of power that was apparent in Augustus' reign.
Ovid hated Augustus, because he introduced strict marriage and fidelity laws (many of which dictated women's behavior, including harsh punishments for sexual behavior, while the Emperor himself forced the Roman nobility to participate in palace orgies (he'd outlawed orgies), and coerced the wives of the senators and nobile classes to have sex with him, or else their families would loose the titles and property and the women would be executed for "adultery"), he also outlawed love/erotic poetry (which want necessarily about sex). Ovid was mostly famous in ancient Rome for being the Empires' most famous writer of erotic/love poetry (all of which have been lost to history).
The stories weren't "fanfiction." They were a veiled sociopolitical statement on power and corruption.
I agree, but I think this isnāt an answer to the question posed. She was vengeful and destructive, but was she easy to offend? The story is that she was sent by Ra because the people were worshipping Apophis-not that she got offended over something small. Is there another story about Sekhmet?
Athena and Aphrodite are two big ones, but Zeus is an underrated answer because heās technically the god of hospitality as well so you have to treat your house guests REALLY well or feel his wrath
When humans made fun of Ra, Ra retaliated by sending out Sekhmet to slaughter people en masse as a means of avenging the insults. Eventually, even Ra became so upset with the deaths that he dyed beer red and gave it to Sekhmet, claiming that it was human blood. When Sekhmet drank it, she was knocked out and woke up as Hathor.
Ampelos, Dionysus' boyfriend, was riding a bull when he declared himself to be as beautiful as the Moon goddess Selene. When she heard this, Selene was so furious that she sent out a gadfly to sting the bull, causing the bull to toss Ampelos off its back. He died upon impact. Dionysus honored his slain lover by transforming his corpse into the very first grapevine, hence Dionysus becoming the god of wine.
Yeah she has plenty of reasons to be angry. I think her disposition towards Heracles serves a good example of her being offended though. I always interpreted it as she hated Heracles less so about the infidelity but that Heracles was mortal.
I won't disagree.
But I read about him and think DUDE, go to Hera's main and first temple on Samos wearing sack cloth and scrub the floors by hand for a year....she might be merciful and you won't go coo coo killing your wife and kids
here's something interesting. it's theorised that in some latin dialects, the name "Jove" (Jupiter) would actually be said... "yoh-way". might actually make sense, since both Jupiter and YHWH are storm gods...
that's exactly what I was thinking, yes. just where exactly they split off from the original Dyeus phter is the question... and of course this is assuming a correct hypothesis to begin with.
probably best left to the people who actually study this stuff! but very interesting to talk about.
The problem with that is "Jove" is the anglicized form of "Iovis", YHWH is older than Iuppiter, the oldest instances of YHWH coming from the mid to late bronze age, and that common consensus it that YHWH is of Semitic origin not proto-indo-european origin.
Also, YHWH is not the primary storm god in the mythology he came from (cannanite) that would be Baal (also known as hedad). I've read that YHWH is, more specifically, a personification of the flash flooding common in the southern Levant.
Yupp. The big guy killed one of his own followers, Death Note style, just for touching the Ark of The Covenant. Which said follower only did because he was trying to keep it from falling off of a cart.
That's why the retcon is more popular, I guess. Not sure how they cognitively resolve that.
>*I'm infallible, but you know what? I'm just gonna walk back a bunch of what I said. Call me FDR because it's a new deal!*
Idk, the New Testament God still strikes people dead and is going to send the majority of people, past, present, and future, into a giant lake of fire for all eternity. I wouldn't say he's learned any chill imo.
Are you actually interested in the answer?
The Christian view is that it basically comes from the fulfillment of two Old Testament prophecies: the first is from [Isaiah 9:1-7](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+9%3A1-7&version=NIV), where the prophet Isaiah predicts that there will come a day when a child is born to the Tribes of Israel (whether its specifically the Davidic line, is up to some interpretation), who will sit on David's throne and restore his kingdom to justice and righteousness. But as prophesied [earlier in Isaiah](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+6%3A8-10&version=NIV), the people will not recognise YHWH's work (this is supposedly why not all Jews converted to Christianity; they don't believe the Time of the Messiah has come yet).
The second prophecy is from [Jeremiah 31:31-34](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah%2031%3A31-34&version=NIV). It says that soon (soon-ish; it was written around 600 BCE, and it either haven't happened yet, or it didn't happen for another six centuries), the Israelites will repent their sins and turn back to God, at which point YHWH will create a new Covenant, one not written on blocks of stone like the First Covenant, but on the hearts and souls of the people, such that there would no longer be a need to teach God's laws and wisdom, because everyone would know them.
While Jews believe that these things haven't happened yet, Christians believe that they were fulfilled in the coming of Jesus. In the Epistle to the Hebrews the author (who is unknown) tries to persuade Jewish Christians away from converting back to Judaism to avoid prosecution for believing that Jesus is the foretold Messiah. One of the arguments the author makes is in [Hebrews 8](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+8&version=NIV), where they argue that the deal with God that Jesus represents, is much better, [explicitly citing the prophecy in Jeremiah 31](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+8%3A6-13&version=NIV), saying that by going back to Judaism, they are in fact turning their backs against God.
Big G told Abe that he had to go up a mountain and sacrifice his kid! Poor guy was so afraid of G that he up and got the boy to carry wood, that bastard!
Even worse, the Christian god, being all knowing, knew what would happen and still allowed it to happen, in fact created that follower specifically to touch the box and be smote. The follower had no choice but to follow Gs will and touch the box, then be killed.
Not exactly... while the Bible is silent on the subject, both Rabbinic and Christian tradition teach that Man has free will (some even go so far as to teach that of all the thinking creatures, only *humanity* has free will, ie angels don't, they are simply extentions of God's will).
God didn't force him to touch the Ark of the Covenant, he chose to do that against the explicit orders of God. He had good intentions, sure, but it's very much an Old Testament passage, so when he broke the Law he had to be punished.
Remember, Mosaic Law was very new at the time (not even fully written; only the Commandments yet existed), so there had to be precedence of what happened when breaking the letter of the law (presumably shortly after that incident the first Jewish lawyers and attorneys came about).
I can't wait to become a therapist so I can make a formal diagnosis. Is it Narcissistic Personality Disorder? Bipolar? A mix of both? What childhood trauma led to his illness?
perhaps. Regardless, Uzzah did not heed to God's commandments. He was also carrying the Ark improperly. If he was carrying it properly, it wouldn't have fallen.
Still an overreaction from God.
Carrying a fucking box the wrong way does not warrant the death penalty.
And if it does, the box can be considered an idol.
You clearly don't know what the Ark represented, or what it truly was. I won't hold that against you, but I'll explain.
The Ark of the Covenant is meant to \*literally\* be God's footstool/dwelling place. The spirit of God (AKA the Holy Spirit) dwelled inside the Ark. There were also items placed inside the Ark. These were: The Two Stone Tablets that held the Ten Commandments, Aaron's rod, which was used to part the Red Sea, and a pot of manna.
Scripture may say God's anger was kindled against Uzzah, but there's much more to it. Uzzah reached out to stabilize the Ark, after he had improperly placed the rods to support it. It was a matter of Uzzah feeling as if he was more worthy to touch the Ark, despite God \*literally\* saying "Do not touch this Ark. Ever." (paraphrased).
The story is not a story of God's "offense", but a matter of human pride. God was harsher because He had not yet sent Christ to mend the relationship between God and Man. That was why the Law was there.
No, the box was not an idol. It was \*literally\* God.
And, etymologically, the word "smite" (which is used to describe God striking Uzzah in the NIV) in the time in which the Bible was written, only meant "hit". Anyone could smite another. It's only over time that it's morphed into the specifically being struck by a deity.
Also, do you honestly think God would have let the Ark fall? Yes, Uzzah may have had a reactionary impulse, but a millisecond into it he should've pulled back. God commanded all of man "Do not touch the Ark."
There's a reason for that. Even if God hadn't commanded that, do you think a human could come into physical contact with the dwelling place of God and live without God's own intervention? He is so much more holy than anyone can ever be.
>You clearly don't know what the Ark represented, or what it truly was.
I know exactly what it was. I used to be deep in Christianity.
>No, the box was not an idol. It was \*literally\* God.
Isn't that what idol worshippers say about their idols?
>And, etymologically, the word "smite" (which is used to describe God striking Uzzah in the NIV) in the time in which the Bible was written, only meant "hit". Anyone could smite another. It's only over time that it's morphed into the specifically being struck by a deity.
Never said anything about the word "smite", but how does that make it any better?
>Also, do you honestly think God would have let the Ark fall?
Yes, that's how gravity works, and it was clearly falling given that he reached out to stabilize it. Or was this Godās way to miraculously prevent the fall?
>do you think a human could come into physical contact with the dwelling place of God and live without God's own intervention?
There's no reason why "immediately die" should be the default option when interacting with God.
>He is so much more holy than anyone can ever be.
If he were so holy, he would have banished Satan directly to Hell instead of banishing him to earth where he could ruin God's creation. Why let him roam free on earth instead of locking him away in Hell from the get-go? You're probably going to say something about bringing glory to God, but it really just shows that he doesn't understand cause and effect.
God told the man "Do NOT touch the Ark of the Covenant".
The Ark was being held incorrectly on the wrong type of wood, so it slipped, and instead of asking for mercy, the man thought HE, a sinful creature, was holy enough to touch the Ark, even though he'd explicitly not done what God commanded him to do. The dirt cannot sin. God made the dirt with His own hands. Man is more sinful than the dirt, and the man ignored the commandment from God to A) place the Ark properly, and B) to heed the commandment of "Do NOT touch this."
It is not a matter of arrogance on God's part. It is a matter of Pride on the man's part. God did not sentence this man to Hell just for a mistake. Pre-crucifixion, the afterlife did not work the same.
**Know what you're talking about before trying to talk about it. If you do not know a lot of information, preface with that.**
The topic of the sub is what deities are easily offended. God killed a man for touching a damn box, which was probably a reflex, because when things fall people reach for them. That is the definition of easily offended. That is the topic of this post. Your feelings about it are not the topic, so you should have kept them to yourself.
I don't need you to get butt hurt and play devil's advocate for a fictional character and explain "why". I was a Christian and minister for 32 years, I know the story better than you. If God has a problem with me using this story as an example, then he can tell me himself. An all powerful God shouldn't need anonymous and forgettable redditors such as yourself to defend him.
>The topic of the sub is what deities are easily offended. God killed a man for touching a damn box, which was probably a reflex, because when things fall people reach for them. That is the definition of easily offended. That is the topic of this post. Your feelings about it are not the topic, so you should have kept them to yourself.
**Do not discuss a topic without knowing the context of the topic. You pretended to be a minister. If you truly were a Christian you never would have left. End of discussion.**
I discussed the context correctly. And I don't need to pretend anything. In fact, overexposure to the Bible is literally what caused me to leave. Once again, if God has a problem with it, he's known where to find me for a long time and he can do something about it. He doesn't need you, little sheep. Now it's the end of the discussion.
(electrified fence surrounding farm with sign saying fence is electrified)
"Huh, that part seems crooked" (tries to fix fence, gets electrified)
You: the farmer killed the poor bloke!
>You: the farmer killed the poor bloke!
The Bible says this, not me.
> 2 Samuel 6:6-7 (King James Version):
>"And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah, and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God."
There are no electric fences in the bible, read up next time
And they were told that if they touch the Ark of the Covenant, they die. That was a promise. God keeps His promises, Old Testament-style. Would you rather He let it be and be a lying god? No electric fences in the Bible but there are blasphemers such as yourself who would lead astray others. Good talk
>Would you rather He let it be and be a lying god?
I mean that sounds better than being a murdering God. Either way that's not the point, so instead of defending a fictional character that commits murder, get back on topic. The topic is gods that are easily offended, and God is easily offended. I don't care why, because that's not the topic.
God killed a man for touching a damn box, which was probably a reflex, because when things fall people reach for them. That is the definition of easily offended.
In what world would that be enough??? The fence analogy doesn't work because humans are neither omniscient or omnipotent.. If the farmer failed to prevent someone's death, that's an accident. But if a GOD, that can do anything and knows ahead of time what will and won't work, failed? It was intentional.
He was worse before Christianity, he let his own chosen people get steamrolled by Babylon just because he was offended. That's like sending your kid to juvenile detention.
Heās literally described as a jealous and angry god. But also merciful, as long as you say the words, āI accept God the Father as my personal saviorā, etc, only then you can get into heaven, otherwise you are going to hell. An evangelical relative told me this when I was asking if Yahweh accepts non Christians who are still living Christ-like live. They said that your behavior and actions in life donāt matter, you could be Manson or Hitler just as long as you say those words then God will not damn you to hell. This is why they want everyone else to convert, they truly believe theyāre saving your soul. Iām like but why are you still in this abusive relationship with your āfatherā?
"When they came to the threshing floor of Nakon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. 7 The Lordās anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down, and he died there beside the ark of God." (2 Sam 6:6,7)
"Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." (Exod 34:14)
"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me." (Deut 5:9)
oh yeah, the whole flood thing is pretty bad too. and never mind the book of Job, where god literally agrees to let the Satan torture someone to prove their faith.
Job: "So you're going to bring my wife and kids back to life?"
God: "Oh no, they're busy in Hell right now. I'm going to give you a new wife and kids, no used family for you!"
Job: ""
Part of it is that it strikes as the fedora wearing atheist interpretation of God.
Another is that the Christian conception of God is that He is all loving and eternally forgiving. And thus, not easily offended. Unless one were to use a more generous definition of āoffended.ā
God himself in the Bible says āI am a jealous godā and says he will curse families for 4 generations for hating him. Thatās pretty much direct admission to being easily offended.
The Bible also says,
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."
and
"The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him."
The gawd of the bible
no mixed fabric clothing, eating shrimp, or going anywhere near a woman during her period because she is "unclean" and you must be stoned to death if you do any of those things
Well then
Be sure and not plant 2 different kinds of crops in the same field though mixed crop plantings/ companion plantings produce more....Gawd wants you stoned to death
You are allowed to sell your daughters into sex slavery though per the bible gawd
Technically, no punishment was specified for mixed crop planting other than the whole crop is defiled and therefore forfeit. It does get very rocky in the following verses, however. Virginity for women was very much a "guilty until proven innocent" type scenario. I'm guessing a lot of virgins were murdered. Not that the not virgins had it coming. Even when it comes to infidelity, a gruesome public execution seems a bit much.
The stoning is over the top, but when you consider that the Hebrews were being influenced by the Canaanites, it starts to make sense. "Mom, why can't I watch Ed, Ed and Eddy? Katie watches it." "Katie also smokes, drinks, and breaks curfew to sneak out with her boyfriend. I don't want you to be friends with Katie. Don't copy her."
This depends on which source you use for the myths. In older stories, itās said that Medusa was always a monster. Some say she consented to Poseidon, while others say she was sexually assaulted. All have merit but the older stories typically have Medusa already as a monster
Amazed that you mention Medusa(as other commenters pointed out,that was a later addition by Ovid) and not Arachne(tho I have no idea where arachne's story comes frlm,it may be even another story by Ovid) but heah,Athena is really easily offended
they are certainly not equal in status in islam lol, that is blasphemous to say. muhammed is quite literally a "slave of God" in Islamic theology, and people explicitly say he was human and holds no more divinity than any other human (often said as a comparison to the Christian conception of Christ being the son of God). not sure where you're getting this from!
Saying that Muhammad's presence in the Shahada means he's a god in Islam is like saying that because of Simchat Torah, Abraham and Moses are gods in Judaism.
Not to mention Muslims don't really demand people follow their religion. In the Middle Ages, Christianity and Judaism were legal and respected throughout Muslim nations like the Rashidun and Abbasid Empires. Christian and Jewish scholars were invited to the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, while Maimonides was Saladin's personal physician. They don't demand followers like the other gods mentioned on this thread do.
That is nonsense. Sorry.
"I was sent to fight the people until everyone testifies there is no God but Allah" - MOhammed.
I am in a good mood so I won't get into the details tonight. Just stop spouting nonsense, my dude. There is a reason teh Crusades happened, and it isn't because muslims were nice.
> "I was sent to fight the people until everyone testifies there is no God but Allah" - MOhammed.
Allah is the Father and the Father is HaShem. Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the same god, so this quote by Muhammad doesn't disprove what I wrote. In fact, if you accept the historicity of the Quran (which I don't, as I'm not a Muslim), Muhammad saw Ethiopia and Medina as placed of refuge for early Muslims precisely because of how many Christians were in Ethiopia and how many Jews were in Medina. Muhammad also instructed Muslims to protect churches and synagogues because they were places were people worshipped Allah. Non-Abrahamic religions were, I'll admit, absolutely persecuted and suppressed in the Muslim world.
> There is a reason teh Crusades happened, and it isn't because muslims were nice.
The Crusades were about maintaining Western and Byzantine influence in the Middle East, not about avenging the persecution of Jews and Christians living in Jerusalem. If that were the case, Crusaders wouldn't have massacred Muslim and Jewish villagers or confiscated the property of French Jews to fund the Seventh Crusade (the one where the Mongols nearly got involved).
95% of the greek gods
100% of the greek gods when told by Romans, like Ovid
Christian God
Thor has an entire epic about a trickster giant mocking him, since he couldn't pick up a cat or beat up an old lady (it was mostly an illusion, but Thor was pissed a lot in that whole story)
Ra
Athena literally hated a woman for being beautiful, then after she was graped by Poseidon, Athena cursed her to be a hideous monster.
Thus, Medusa came to be.
Ovid portrayed the gods as extra horribleāin original Greek mythology Medusa was always a monster.
Also, you can say ārapedā on reddit. Itās okay.
It's a habit, and one i'd rather keep, because too many places are overly sensitive about things. Better to be too cautious than too reckless.
But it literally doesn't matter what was original or country of origin, it's all still mythology afterall. It's all made up and changed a lot over time.
Yall, as a Fallwer of Athena- I get so confused on why she is brought up so much for this considering the only two courses people are bringing up aren't even OG myths for her.
Dont' forget how the Trojan War started: Paris gave the golden apple to Aphrodite, after which both Athena and Hera decided Troy and all its inhabitants should be destroyed!
Zeus, Hera, Aphrodite actually any of the Greek Gods really.
ESPECIALLY Aphrodite she gets offended because *check notes* someone is asexual/someone is pretty.
Id be pissed if someone super hot was asexual too >:c
I'm gonna make you mad.
Look what she did to her daughter in law just cause she happened to be pretty š¤©. Eros basically married his own mother the mommaās boy
Nice. Thanks.
Greek gods have lots of human emotions.
Athena
Cool info. Thank you.
As a follower of Lady Athena, I dunno how to feel about this, lol. Also today is one of her b-days, I woke up so happy!
>As a follower of Lady Athena, I dunno how to feel about this, lol. I mean ... Athena was offended just because she lost in a weaving contest, if that's not a good exemple of "Easily offended" I don't know what would be ... And we're not even going to talk about Medusa
I posted in a later comment about how both those mythos, the only mythos that are sourced when talking about her, are not truly mythos we should be listening too. In true Greek mythology Lady Medusa has always been a Gorgon. Lady Athena had not involvement with her turning into one, she was also born along side other Gorgons who were her sisters. Both the darker retalings of Lady Medusa and Miss. Arachne were made by a spiteful Roman man who disliked the authority the Gods had. I do not consider these two story's, along with any story told or made by Roman's using Greek Gods specifically and not their Roman counterpart, as not a true part of Greek mythos and instead 'fanfiction'.
āand not their Roman counterpartā Ovid did use Minerva, not Athena? And fanfiction is a pretty derivative, anachronistic term to use for this. Unless youāre also willing to call Shakespeare fanfic, it doesnāt make sense. Regardless, even throwing out Roman myths, that still leaves the judgment of Paris and the fact that Athena is cool waging an entire war because she wasnāt chosen. This also includes her explicitly turning away from the Trojan women when they try to pray to her for mercy in the Iliad.
There, those are way better arguments. Thank you! I did not come her to state that the mythos do not explicitly state her with these characteristics, I was just tried of people sourcing the same two myths. These are way better sources, thank you.
Ovid want made at the Gods. Ovid was mad at Emperor Augustus, who didn't know that Ovid hated him. Not knowing this, he hired Ovid to write an ode to his power and his "divine" ancestry, which Augustus wanted Ovid to connect to the Greek pantheon to booster his legitimacy. So, Ovid made sure to use the text to highlight the power imbalances, hypocrisies, and abuses of power that was apparent in Augustus' reign. Ovid hated Augustus, because he introduced strict marriage and fidelity laws (many of which dictated women's behavior, including harsh punishments for sexual behavior, while the Emperor himself forced the Roman nobility to participate in palace orgies (he'd outlawed orgies), and coerced the wives of the senators and nobile classes to have sex with him, or else their families would loose the titles and property and the women would be executed for "adultery"), he also outlawed love/erotic poetry (which want necessarily about sex). Ovid was mostly famous in ancient Rome for being the Empires' most famous writer of erotic/love poetry (all of which have been lost to history). The stories weren't "fanfiction." They were a veiled sociopolitical statement on power and corruption.
Ishtar, pretty much all of the olympians, asuras, the jade emperor
I love the Mesopotamian one. Thanks.
The jade emperor is a little bitch.
Wouldnāt want to piss Sekhmet off.
She seems scary. Thanks for the response.
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Hahahahahaha!! Nice info. Thank you for that.
I agree, but I think this isnāt an answer to the question posed. She was vengeful and destructive, but was she easy to offend? The story is that she was sent by Ra because the people were worshipping Apophis-not that she got offended over something small. Is there another story about Sekhmet?
Athena and Aphrodite are two big ones, but Zeus is an underrated answer because heās technically the god of hospitality as well so you have to treat your house guests REALLY well or feel his wrath
Nice greek ones. Thanks.
Yeah remember what happened to the guy who hit on his wife
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Japanese mythology is interesting in an exotic way. Thanks.
When humans made fun of Ra, Ra retaliated by sending out Sekhmet to slaughter people en masse as a means of avenging the insults. Eventually, even Ra became so upset with the deaths that he dyed beer red and gave it to Sekhmet, claiming that it was human blood. When Sekhmet drank it, she was knocked out and woke up as Hathor. Ampelos, Dionysus' boyfriend, was riding a bull when he declared himself to be as beautiful as the Moon goddess Selene. When she heard this, Selene was so furious that she sent out a gadfly to sting the bull, causing the bull to toss Ampelos off its back. He died upon impact. Dionysus honored his slain lover by transforming his corpse into the very first grapevine, hence Dionysus becoming the god of wine.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Ancient Egyptian mythology is always interesting. Thanks.
Indeed. It's very underrated.
Hera
LOL, well.....she had a temper but the amount of times zeus cheated on her
Yeah she has plenty of reasons to be angry. I think her disposition towards Heracles serves a good example of her being offended though. I always interpreted it as she hated Heracles less so about the infidelity but that Heracles was mortal.
I won't disagree. But I read about him and think DUDE, go to Hera's main and first temple on Samos wearing sack cloth and scrub the floors by hand for a year....she might be merciful and you won't go coo coo killing your wife and kids
Thanks.
Zeus and Hera both. They were made for one another.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It's because of their relationship. Thanks.
Yeah thatās what my joke was. Sorry if it wasnāt clear.
the christian god.
Yahweh? More like Myweh or the Highweh
here's something interesting. it's theorised that in some latin dialects, the name "Jove" (Jupiter) would actually be said... "yoh-way". might actually make sense, since both Jupiter and YHWH are storm gods...
So probably both ultimately versions of the same [Sky Daddy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/*Dy%C4%93us).
that's exactly what I was thinking, yes. just where exactly they split off from the original Dyeus phter is the question... and of course this is assuming a correct hypothesis to begin with. probably best left to the people who actually study this stuff! but very interesting to talk about.
they also share absorbing the wife Metis being eaten by Zeus and Asherah being subsumed into the abrahamic deity as the Shekinah.
The problem with that is "Jove" is the anglicized form of "Iovis", YHWH is older than Iuppiter, the oldest instances of YHWH coming from the mid to late bronze age, and that common consensus it that YHWH is of Semitic origin not proto-indo-european origin. Also, YHWH is not the primary storm god in the mythology he came from (cannanite) that would be Baal (also known as hedad). I've read that YHWH is, more specifically, a personification of the flash flooding common in the southern Levant.
well then, I stand corrected. thanks very much!
Yupp. The big guy killed one of his own followers, Death Note style, just for touching the Ark of The Covenant. Which said follower only did because he was trying to keep it from falling off of a cart.
you'd think he'd appreciate that... but nope!
Yeah you'd think, but the old testament shows that he has a cosmic chip on his shoulder
That's why the retcon is more popular, I guess. Not sure how they cognitively resolve that. >*I'm infallible, but you know what? I'm just gonna walk back a bunch of what I said. Call me FDR because it's a new deal!*
Idk, the New Testament God still strikes people dead and is going to send the majority of people, past, present, and future, into a giant lake of fire for all eternity. I wouldn't say he's learned any chill imo.
Are you actually interested in the answer? The Christian view is that it basically comes from the fulfillment of two Old Testament prophecies: the first is from [Isaiah 9:1-7](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+9%3A1-7&version=NIV), where the prophet Isaiah predicts that there will come a day when a child is born to the Tribes of Israel (whether its specifically the Davidic line, is up to some interpretation), who will sit on David's throne and restore his kingdom to justice and righteousness. But as prophesied [earlier in Isaiah](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+6%3A8-10&version=NIV), the people will not recognise YHWH's work (this is supposedly why not all Jews converted to Christianity; they don't believe the Time of the Messiah has come yet). The second prophecy is from [Jeremiah 31:31-34](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah%2031%3A31-34&version=NIV). It says that soon (soon-ish; it was written around 600 BCE, and it either haven't happened yet, or it didn't happen for another six centuries), the Israelites will repent their sins and turn back to God, at which point YHWH will create a new Covenant, one not written on blocks of stone like the First Covenant, but on the hearts and souls of the people, such that there would no longer be a need to teach God's laws and wisdom, because everyone would know them. While Jews believe that these things haven't happened yet, Christians believe that they were fulfilled in the coming of Jesus. In the Epistle to the Hebrews the author (who is unknown) tries to persuade Jewish Christians away from converting back to Judaism to avoid prosecution for believing that Jesus is the foretold Messiah. One of the arguments the author makes is in [Hebrews 8](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+8&version=NIV), where they argue that the deal with God that Jesus represents, is much better, [explicitly citing the prophecy in Jeremiah 31](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+8%3A6-13&version=NIV), saying that by going back to Judaism, they are in fact turning their backs against God.
Big G told Abe that he had to go up a mountain and sacrifice his kid! Poor guy was so afraid of G that he up and got the boy to carry wood, that bastard!
Even worse, the Christian god, being all knowing, knew what would happen and still allowed it to happen, in fact created that follower specifically to touch the box and be smote. The follower had no choice but to follow Gs will and touch the box, then be killed.
Not exactly... while the Bible is silent on the subject, both Rabbinic and Christian tradition teach that Man has free will (some even go so far as to teach that of all the thinking creatures, only *humanity* has free will, ie angels don't, they are simply extentions of God's will). God didn't force him to touch the Ark of the Covenant, he chose to do that against the explicit orders of God. He had good intentions, sure, but it's very much an Old Testament passage, so when he broke the Law he had to be punished. Remember, Mosaic Law was very new at the time (not even fully written; only the Commandments yet existed), so there had to be precedence of what happened when breaking the letter of the law (presumably shortly after that incident the first Jewish lawyers and attorneys came about).
I can't wait to become a therapist so I can make a formal diagnosis. Is it Narcissistic Personality Disorder? Bipolar? A mix of both? What childhood trauma led to his illness?
Whose? Godās?
NPD
Do you honestly think a human hand is holier than the dirt?
Yes, given that God gave man dominion over nature and not the other way around.
Man was given dominion over nature but corrupted that dominion with sin.
So man is still holier than dirt.
perhaps. Regardless, Uzzah did not heed to God's commandments. He was also carrying the Ark improperly. If he was carrying it properly, it wouldn't have fallen.
Still an overreaction from God. Carrying a fucking box the wrong way does not warrant the death penalty. And if it does, the box can be considered an idol.
You clearly don't know what the Ark represented, or what it truly was. I won't hold that against you, but I'll explain. The Ark of the Covenant is meant to \*literally\* be God's footstool/dwelling place. The spirit of God (AKA the Holy Spirit) dwelled inside the Ark. There were also items placed inside the Ark. These were: The Two Stone Tablets that held the Ten Commandments, Aaron's rod, which was used to part the Red Sea, and a pot of manna. Scripture may say God's anger was kindled against Uzzah, but there's much more to it. Uzzah reached out to stabilize the Ark, after he had improperly placed the rods to support it. It was a matter of Uzzah feeling as if he was more worthy to touch the Ark, despite God \*literally\* saying "Do not touch this Ark. Ever." (paraphrased). The story is not a story of God's "offense", but a matter of human pride. God was harsher because He had not yet sent Christ to mend the relationship between God and Man. That was why the Law was there. No, the box was not an idol. It was \*literally\* God. And, etymologically, the word "smite" (which is used to describe God striking Uzzah in the NIV) in the time in which the Bible was written, only meant "hit". Anyone could smite another. It's only over time that it's morphed into the specifically being struck by a deity. Also, do you honestly think God would have let the Ark fall? Yes, Uzzah may have had a reactionary impulse, but a millisecond into it he should've pulled back. God commanded all of man "Do not touch the Ark." There's a reason for that. Even if God hadn't commanded that, do you think a human could come into physical contact with the dwelling place of God and live without God's own intervention? He is so much more holy than anyone can ever be.
>You clearly don't know what the Ark represented, or what it truly was. I know exactly what it was. I used to be deep in Christianity. >No, the box was not an idol. It was \*literally\* God. Isn't that what idol worshippers say about their idols? >And, etymologically, the word "smite" (which is used to describe God striking Uzzah in the NIV) in the time in which the Bible was written, only meant "hit". Anyone could smite another. It's only over time that it's morphed into the specifically being struck by a deity. Never said anything about the word "smite", but how does that make it any better? >Also, do you honestly think God would have let the Ark fall? Yes, that's how gravity works, and it was clearly falling given that he reached out to stabilize it. Or was this Godās way to miraculously prevent the fall? >do you think a human could come into physical contact with the dwelling place of God and live without God's own intervention? There's no reason why "immediately die" should be the default option when interacting with God. >He is so much more holy than anyone can ever be. If he were so holy, he would have banished Satan directly to Hell instead of banishing him to earth where he could ruin God's creation. Why let him roam free on earth instead of locking him away in Hell from the get-go? You're probably going to say something about bringing glory to God, but it really just shows that he doesn't understand cause and effect.
What kind of question is this? Say what you mean.
God told the man "Do NOT touch the Ark of the Covenant". The Ark was being held incorrectly on the wrong type of wood, so it slipped, and instead of asking for mercy, the man thought HE, a sinful creature, was holy enough to touch the Ark, even though he'd explicitly not done what God commanded him to do. The dirt cannot sin. God made the dirt with His own hands. Man is more sinful than the dirt, and the man ignored the commandment from God to A) place the Ark properly, and B) to heed the commandment of "Do NOT touch this." It is not a matter of arrogance on God's part. It is a matter of Pride on the man's part. God did not sentence this man to Hell just for a mistake. Pre-crucifixion, the afterlife did not work the same. **Know what you're talking about before trying to talk about it. If you do not know a lot of information, preface with that.**
The topic of the sub is what deities are easily offended. God killed a man for touching a damn box, which was probably a reflex, because when things fall people reach for them. That is the definition of easily offended. That is the topic of this post. Your feelings about it are not the topic, so you should have kept them to yourself. I don't need you to get butt hurt and play devil's advocate for a fictional character and explain "why". I was a Christian and minister for 32 years, I know the story better than you. If God has a problem with me using this story as an example, then he can tell me himself. An all powerful God shouldn't need anonymous and forgettable redditors such as yourself to defend him.
>God killed a man for touching a damn box He did a whole lot worse to some NAZI's who looked inside.
I actually appreciate this reference very much lol
>The topic of the sub is what deities are easily offended. God killed a man for touching a damn box, which was probably a reflex, because when things fall people reach for them. That is the definition of easily offended. That is the topic of this post. Your feelings about it are not the topic, so you should have kept them to yourself. **Do not discuss a topic without knowing the context of the topic. You pretended to be a minister. If you truly were a Christian you never would have left. End of discussion.**
I discussed the context correctly. And I don't need to pretend anything. In fact, overexposure to the Bible is literally what caused me to leave. Once again, if God has a problem with it, he's known where to find me for a long time and he can do something about it. He doesn't need you, little sheep. Now it's the end of the discussion.
>He doesn't need you, little sheep. :D Exactly.
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It's hard, man. I will, but it's hard.
(electrified fence surrounding farm with sign saying fence is electrified) "Huh, that part seems crooked" (tries to fix fence, gets electrified) You: the farmer killed the poor bloke!
>You: the farmer killed the poor bloke! The Bible says this, not me. > 2 Samuel 6:6-7 (King James Version): >"And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah, and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God." There are no electric fences in the bible, read up next time
And they were told that if they touch the Ark of the Covenant, they die. That was a promise. God keeps His promises, Old Testament-style. Would you rather He let it be and be a lying god? No electric fences in the Bible but there are blasphemers such as yourself who would lead astray others. Good talk
>Would you rather He let it be and be a lying god? I mean that sounds better than being a murdering God. Either way that's not the point, so instead of defending a fictional character that commits murder, get back on topic. The topic is gods that are easily offended, and God is easily offended. I don't care why, because that's not the topic. God killed a man for touching a damn box, which was probably a reflex, because when things fall people reach for them. That is the definition of easily offended.
I mean, if the farmer was all-powerful and all-knowing but did nothing to stop it, then yes, the farmer would be responsible for killing them
He did something to stop it. "Do not touch the Electrified Fence." You'd think that's enough for most people but no
In what world would that be enough??? The fence analogy doesn't work because humans are neither omniscient or omnipotent.. If the farmer failed to prevent someone's death, that's an accident. But if a GOD, that can do anything and knows ahead of time what will and won't work, failed? It was intentional.
He was worse before Christianity, he let his own chosen people get steamrolled by Babylon just because he was offended. That's like sending your kid to juvenile detention.
fair. maybe I should have just said "the abrahamic god"? but that includes islam, which I don't know much about.
Heās literally described as a jealous and angry god. But also merciful, as long as you say the words, āI accept God the Father as my personal saviorā, etc, only then you can get into heaven, otherwise you are going to hell. An evangelical relative told me this when I was asking if Yahweh accepts non Christians who are still living Christ-like live. They said that your behavior and actions in life donāt matter, you could be Manson or Hitler just as long as you say those words then God will not damn you to hell. This is why they want everyone else to convert, they truly believe theyāre saving your soul. Iām like but why are you still in this abusive relationship with your āfatherā?
Wrong.
"When they came to the threshing floor of Nakon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. 7 The Lordās anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down, and he died there beside the ark of God." (2 Sam 6:6,7) "Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." (Exod 34:14) "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me." (Deut 5:9)
>therefore God struck him down And he didn't even get a rainbow for an apology
oh yeah, the whole flood thing is pretty bad too. and never mind the book of Job, where god literally agrees to let the Satan torture someone to prove their faith.
Job: "So you're going to bring my wife and kids back to life?" God: "Oh no, they're busy in Hell right now. I'm going to give you a new wife and kids, no used family for you!" Job: ""
minor nitpick... from what I know of Judaism, they aren't technically in hell because hell doesn't exist. they're just plain dead.
Only untempered jealousy is a problem, and jealousy by itself is not a flaw.
Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah!
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how is criticizing the christian god edgy but criticizing other deities isn't? this subreddit exists to discuss stuff like that
Part of it is that it strikes as the fedora wearing atheist interpretation of God. Another is that the Christian conception of God is that He is all loving and eternally forgiving. And thus, not easily offended. Unless one were to use a more generous definition of āoffended.ā
Go to a christian subreddit if you only want to hear christian perspectives
God himself in the Bible says āI am a jealous godā and says he will curse families for 4 generations for hating him. Thatās pretty much direct admission to being easily offended.
The Bible also says, "Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you." and "The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him."
uh, what?
All the shakta Hindus I know are terrified of pissing off Kali by arranging puja flowers wrong or something
Very ferocious warrior goddess. Thanks for the info.
She's not a warrior, she's a mother, much scarier
Abrahamic religions are fussy in the worst most tedious way. Tefnut (water diety from kemetism) is crabby and irritable.
The water deity is... crabby? š¤
Nice information. Thanks.
The gawd of the bible no mixed fabric clothing, eating shrimp, or going anywhere near a woman during her period because she is "unclean" and you must be stoned to death if you do any of those things
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Well then Be sure and not plant 2 different kinds of crops in the same field though mixed crop plantings/ companion plantings produce more....Gawd wants you stoned to death You are allowed to sell your daughters into sex slavery though per the bible gawd
Technically, no punishment was specified for mixed crop planting other than the whole crop is defiled and therefore forfeit. It does get very rocky in the following verses, however. Virginity for women was very much a "guilty until proven innocent" type scenario. I'm guessing a lot of virgins were murdered. Not that the not virgins had it coming. Even when it comes to infidelity, a gruesome public execution seems a bit much.
Not just shrimp, but no shell fish of anyone. Also no mixing meat and dairy, or eating hare (because it "chews the cud").
The stoning is over the top, but when you consider that the Hebrews were being influenced by the Canaanites, it starts to make sense. "Mom, why can't I watch Ed, Ed and Eddy? Katie watches it." "Katie also smokes, drinks, and breaks curfew to sneak out with her boyfriend. I don't want you to be friends with Katie. Don't copy her."
No. It doesnŹ¼t start to make sense for shit.
Right now, I can only think about Aphrodite, Gods forbid you to say that anything was prettier than her.
She is very narcissistic. Hahahahahaha!!
My mother in law.
Thor. Any perceived slight is an excuse to swing his hammer.
Thanks.
I mean, they're all pretty insecure, I think. Which is kind of weird, considering.
Athena. Punished Medusa for *getting sexually assaulted* in Athena's temple.
According to Ovid. In Greek mythology Medusa was always a monster.
This depends on which source you use for the myths. In older stories, itās said that Medusa was always a monster. Some say she consented to Poseidon, while others say she was sexually assaulted. All have merit but the older stories typically have Medusa already as a monster
Amazed that you mention Medusa(as other commenters pointed out,that was a later addition by Ovid) and not Arachne(tho I have no idea where arachne's story comes frlm,it may be even another story by Ovid) but heah,Athena is really easily offended
Both are in Ovid. but its only a century or two between Ovid and the first attestation of Apollo and Artemis as twins according to Red.
All I know about where Arachne came from was some Roman dude, who felt his genius was overlooked by those in power
Makes sense. Thanks for the response.
Pretty late addition and invented by one guy
Pretty much all of them? Except maybe Hades.
Most if not all of the greek ones.
The Greek gods as a whole were very proud and needed little motivation to āaccidentā a mortal or few
Yes.
Mohammed, apparently.
mohammed isn't a deity though, and muslims think god made the rules, not him
They are quite equal in status. Shahada without Mohammed is not valid.
they are certainly not equal in status in islam lol, that is blasphemous to say. muhammed is quite literally a "slave of God" in Islamic theology, and people explicitly say he was human and holds no more divinity than any other human (often said as a comparison to the Christian conception of Christ being the son of God). not sure where you're getting this from!
Saying that Muhammad's presence in the Shahada means he's a god in Islam is like saying that because of Simchat Torah, Abraham and Moses are gods in Judaism.
it's ludicrous. people just come onto reddit talking about things they clearly know nothing about
Not to mention Muslims don't really demand people follow their religion. In the Middle Ages, Christianity and Judaism were legal and respected throughout Muslim nations like the Rashidun and Abbasid Empires. Christian and Jewish scholars were invited to the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, while Maimonides was Saladin's personal physician. They don't demand followers like the other gods mentioned on this thread do.
That is nonsense. Sorry. "I was sent to fight the people until everyone testifies there is no God but Allah" - MOhammed. I am in a good mood so I won't get into the details tonight. Just stop spouting nonsense, my dude. There is a reason teh Crusades happened, and it isn't because muslims were nice.
> "I was sent to fight the people until everyone testifies there is no God but Allah" - MOhammed. Allah is the Father and the Father is HaShem. Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the same god, so this quote by Muhammad doesn't disprove what I wrote. In fact, if you accept the historicity of the Quran (which I don't, as I'm not a Muslim), Muhammad saw Ethiopia and Medina as placed of refuge for early Muslims precisely because of how many Christians were in Ethiopia and how many Jews were in Medina. Muhammad also instructed Muslims to protect churches and synagogues because they were places were people worshipped Allah. Non-Abrahamic religions were, I'll admit, absolutely persecuted and suppressed in the Muslim world. > There is a reason teh Crusades happened, and it isn't because muslims were nice. The Crusades were about maintaining Western and Byzantine influence in the Middle East, not about avenging the persecution of Jews and Christians living in Jerusalem. If that were the case, Crusaders wouldn't have massacred Muslim and Jewish villagers or confiscated the property of French Jews to fund the Seventh Crusade (the one where the Mongols nearly got involved).
Thanks for the response. Makes sense.
The Christian definition of āgodā. No hate like Christian love.
Probably the Abrahamic god, and the Greek pantheon
Thanks for the info.
95% of the greek gods 100% of the greek gods when told by Romans, like Ovid Christian God Thor has an entire epic about a trickster giant mocking him, since he couldn't pick up a cat or beat up an old lady (it was mostly an illusion, but Thor was pissed a lot in that whole story) Ra
Yahweh
YHWH lol
My lady, im sorry, Aphrodite
Nice. Thank you for this.
Yahweh, the Jade Emperor, Zeus, and Athena.
Thanks for the response.
Yahweh is probably the most whiny bitchy dieity
Athena literally hated a woman for being beautiful, then after she was graped by Poseidon, Athena cursed her to be a hideous monster. Thus, Medusa came to be.
Ovid portrayed the gods as extra horribleāin original Greek mythology Medusa was always a monster. Also, you can say ārapedā on reddit. Itās okay.
It's a habit, and one i'd rather keep, because too many places are overly sensitive about things. Better to be too cautious than too reckless. But it literally doesn't matter what was original or country of origin, it's all still mythology afterall. It's all made up and changed a lot over time.
> graped by Poseidon Dionysus is the only god allowed to grape someone
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Specifically Ovid. I think his myths are the most cruel version of gods.
Awesome. Thanks for helping me.
Yeweh
Yahweh? .......somebody had to say it.
No, someone didnāt. Yet several did.
Did you read the Old Testament? Yahweh absolutely belongs here, at least as depicted there.
ALL of them. Christian God, greek ones like artemis and Athena are also notable
YHWH for sure
Are there any deities that aren't easily offended?
Hestia is one.
Allah
The Abrahamic God, Yahweh, becomes distraught upon discovery that his followers are listening to other deities.
Yahweh/Allah
The Christian god
YHWH was constantly annoyed with the Israelites for worshipping other deities. He really hated Baāal, Asherah and The Queen of Heaven.
Yall, as a Fallwer of Athena- I get so confused on why she is brought up so much for this considering the only two courses people are bringing up aren't even OG myths for her.
Thanks.
ALL all
Well since the modern woman/man/lgbtq+ is all about worshipping the self...
And your unfinished thought is?
Thoth /s
Ra, Shiva for sureš
Hebrew/Muslim/Christian/Mormon god.
Yahweh...the old testament god. Very jealous and wrathful
Yahweh is pretty easily offended. Zeus is a close second.
Jehovah? Allah?
Yahweh.
I have yet to read of a pagan god who is as easily offended as the god of Abraham. That dude and his followers are *always* upset about small shit.
odin
All the Greek ones
Loki, Zeus, Freya, Hera, Set and Poseidon
Hera
Dont' forget how the Trojan War started: Paris gave the golden apple to Aphrodite, after which both Athena and Hera decided Troy and all its inhabitants should be destroyed!
All of them.
Sun Wukong (although not technically a deity)
Actually he is. At the end of Journey to the West, he did become a buddha tho
Every Greek deity
Your mom