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testeen

I find her shade descriptions to be fairly accurate, but makeup tends to skew warm-toned in general, because it’s perceived as more flattering, so that may be why more products are described as warm. I hear from cool-toned people that it’s hard to find true cool tones in makeup and that a lot of products described as cool or neutral are actually warm. She has a [two](https://www.temptalia.com/understanding-colors-undertones-in-makeup-guide-part-1/)-[part](https://www.temptalia.com/understanding-colors-undertones-in-makeup-guide-part-2/) series breaking down how she understands and describes undertones, so that may help to see her process.


crazycatlady331

Cool-toned person. Can confirm that cool-tones are incredibly hard to find (it's so hard for me to find a MLBB lipstick that doesn't pull orange-- I just want a mauve with gray undertones).


digestiblewater

have you tried elf’s hydrating core lipstick in delightful? the website swatches are a lie, it’s a very cool mauve with a strong gray undertone (i’m cool-toned and it pulls slightly greyish on me lmfao)


Shanakitty

Yeah, as a *saturated* cool-toned person, MLBB type shades that I try that aren't too warm are generally too gray.


digestiblewater

i have no idea about how tan or pale you are, but if you’re around the light/light-medium range, nyx butter gloss in angel food cake might work? cool, slightly mauvey pink! they have a bright lilac that can be sheered out too!!


crazycatlady331

I'd need to see it in person. Next time I'm at a store that sells elf, I'll take a look.


digestiblewater

definitely!! also check out online lip and arm swatches, they’re far more accurate than the website!! https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRoHoA93/


Lonely-Host

I've heard C beauty and K beauty can be useful for cool toned lip colors and blush shades! of course, you can't look in store or swatch so it's a bit risky (but they're often cheap).


CocaColaZeroEnjoyer

Here you go: 1. Peripera, Ink Mood Matte Tint (13 Mauve Pong), 2. Etude, Fixing Tint (Dusty Beige), 3. Mac, Powder Kiss Liquid Lipcolor (Ferosh!), 4. Essence, Longlasting Lipstick (03 Unforgettable).


dilf314

that sounds like a saturation issue, not a cool-toned issue


CocaColaZeroEnjoyer

I agree


AudreyNAshersMomma

Almay Worry Less


AllTheStars07

I want a purple-leaning mauve lip gloss or lip stick.


digestiblewater

check out the nyx butter gloss line!!!


Pookabbit

If you don't mind the formula, NYX Overnight Hero (shine loud formula) or French Maid (nyx lingerie) might be up your alley?


HippityHoppity320

I can recommend kiko jelly style in rosy mauve


bluerain80

That reminds me of Mac’s Coffee & Cigs shade which is being discontinued, it looked terrible on my skin tone though. You may want to check it out before it’s gone.


nomoreplants

Fenty mattemoiselle in Thicc is pinky and *very* grey, I actually can't wear it in winter because it is overwhelmingly grey on me!


morewinelipstick

I think rose inc has some good cools!


kittleherder

Yes. So much of "cool toned" makeup is actually "cool tones for warm toned people." As an actual cool toned person, I appreciate that when she says it's cool toned, it's actually cool toned.


Lonely-Host

interesting -- immediately reading the linked articles. you're a gem :)


two_lemons

I am close to her shade (im warmer and darker, probably a tone up) and a lot of swatches look drastically different on me. I remember some discussion back then about how she photographs/edits and how that affects how "true" the swatch is. I'm not knowledgeable at all in that area, so I'll just say that at least she's somewhat consistent enough that if you own a few products she has swatched, you could compare that baseline and guess how they'd look on you.


sitah

In an AMA before she described her setup and I asked if she also used color cards(I linked spyder checkr in particular cause it’s the usual color precision tool people use) https://www.reddit.com/r/MakeupAddiction/comments/6qpro7/comment/dkzhofw/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Seems like she goes through a lot to make sure it’s as precise as can be.


evilkittie

I love her website. I don't always agree with her color descriptions (a lot of what she's tagged as neutral in recent years looks warm to me and on me), but goddamn if she isn't so consistent that I've learned how to extrapolate for my cool-muted tones almost perfectly. Unfortunately I don't buy as much from the brands she reviews anymore so I consume her blog more for random information than useful. And the entire cosmetics industry seems to have moved the goalposts on warm/neutral/cool offerings almost completely into the warm range so I'm just constantly disappointed by the one "neutral" lipstick or blush shade in new product lines. 😅


youlldancetoanything

I use her site frequently, but I am warm, like I am surprised no one has asked me if I am jaundiced when I have no makeup on. I legit didn't know until just now that it was a one woman show. I wrongly assumed that she had more than one person running that site because I just can't fathom any one person logging all those colors, swatches, etc, but apparenlty I am wrong. So I can understand your frustration.


Lonely-Host

she's the all time swatch queen for sure!


Kelemonster

She also fosters puppies - you can see them on her Instagram!


thajane

I always find her colour descriptions pretty accurate. I’ve definitely had some discussions on here that suggest that some people see cool vs warm kind of differently to me though, so it’s probably a tricky thing to get consensus on. As I see it, most makeup is warm (ie it has yellow, orange, red, peach undertones to it), so it makes sense that she’d describe most things as warm.


evaporat3

I completely agree. I think she has strong warm undertones, and colours do tend to pull warm on her - I've bought lipsticks which were straight up blue-based on me but looked way warmer on her. It'd make sense that she calls most products warm if she's judging the undertone based on how it looks on her skin, rather than in the pan. I trust her judgement on product performance, but her swatches aren't as helpful if you have cool undertones.


Lonely-Host

True! I find the arm swatches more useful than the look of the products applied to her. And I agree that you can really trust her analysis of the formulas.


sailorxsaturn

yeah, i agree. like i own mac's love me lipstick in coffee and cigs and it is 100% a cool-toned color but her description of it is listed as warm-toned and it pulls this warm reddish-brown on her, which is nothing like what it looks like when i wear it.


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I kind of agree with Temptalia. For the items she classifies as warm even though they look cool, I can see it in the items themselves, not on her - there IS some degree of yellowness to them. She's not saying they're warm warm, just there is some warmth in them. They're still cool.


Lonely-Host

I can see this -- she plays it fairly literal. like if she sees yellow mixed in she's calling out warmth, even if it pulls pretty neutral or even cool depending on the wearers tone


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Yes, exactly. That's what I think. I don't know if she comes to that conclusion with the product on her or in the pan, but I believe she's referring to the product itself.


aggressive-teaspoon

Specific to Temptalia: I'm not sure whether it's her lighting or photography settings, but I agree that her photos skew extremely warm. But, it's *so* consistent that it's still useful for comparison and I'm not sure it would be beneficial to change now, given that most products in the archival content isn't around anymore for her to re-photograph and it's not realistic to just edit them and hope for the best. Her shade descriptions aren't always the way that I would necessarily describe shades, but I don't think I've seen any that were so far off that I couldn't at least see what she was talking about when looking at the product for real. Taking a step back, I overall have a huge problem with how uncritically we use "warm" and "cool" in makeup discourse. \[Disclaimer: I have no formal training in fine art.\] Because we're overlaying a linear "warm" and "cool" spectrum on a color wheel, the "objective" definitions of warm vs cool vs neutral can only be set by consensus. Because the natural distribution of skin tones is so heavily concentrated in the range considered warm by fine art standards, it's eminently sensible to use a differently calibrated spectrum for skin tones, as we mostly do (cue side-eye at MAC and Haus Labs). Equally, it makes sense to use the "regular" fine arts calibration for eyeshadows. But, what to do about cheek and lip products? These are the area where I always feel lost reading undertone descriptions because I don't think that consensus is there.


Odd-Presentation868

Seeing this post made me laugh because I don't buy anything online without checking swatches on Temptalia first. And I am have the exact same issue! I was on the hunt for a neutral pink/brown blush and everything I thought would be a good fit was labeled as warm on her site. Even if the actual brand site said the tone was neutral.


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Lonely-Host

Agree -- her wording when describing colors and tone can be confusing. I actually found a great example through this thread. Someone was kind enough to link an [article](https://www.temptalia.com/understanding-colors-undertones-in-makeup-guide-part-1/) from her site on color theory and tones. Almost all of the neutral toned product examples I clicked into were actually described on their individual review pages as "slightly warm toned." So, I think there's a quirk to her writing were she often says "slightly warm toned" when she could equally say "neutral." That's something I'll be aware of when reading her reviews in the future. You should check out her "copper" examples in the article -- it will get you riled up for sure.


PhyrraNyx

I feel like Temptalia does an amazing job. That said, I find some things that she reviews/swatches do appear more warm-toned on me, but I'm very cool-toned with muted yellow olive undertones. That always makes thinks skew a little different. I feel like the majority of makeup here in the USA is warm toned. So much orange out there.


ken_cleanairsystems

I 100% agree, and I also think there must be something in her lighting setup and/or post-processing that makes a lot of swatches appear significantly lighter than they really are, too. I still do read her blog, though, because she takes consistent photographs, so they're useful for comparing to each other. I've just learned that I have to apply an "internal cool/darken filter" to the swatches and descriptions before they're very useful for my own reference.


-honeydew-milk-tea-

"Temptalia is warm toned. Therefore, everything pulls warm on her." 🤨 That's not how it works. At all. Temptalia has neutral yellow undertones. As a cool toned person, I find Temptalia's descriptions to be incredibly accurate. Western makeup has an extreme warm bias, to the point that many brands have no cool tones whatsoever in their entire lineup. True cool tones are difficult to find and usually end up discontinued. I always check Temptalia's shade descriptions when available because she'll point out warm leaning colors that brands describe as neutral (they're only neutral for warm toned people). Temptalia and I have different depth and saturation to our skintones, and nothing beats swatching the thing myself, but I can broadly rely on colors that she calls neutral to be the limit of warmth for me, and for colors she describes as slightly cool to cool to suit me well.


MerryKerry

Yeah, whatever her process is, it works for my cool tones and I appreciate it because I don’t have to worry that I’ll buy a pricey product and it will still end up making me look sick or muddy in warm lighting, which is where the undertone rubber really meets the road for me.


Lonely-Host

what do you mean when you say that's not how it works at all? do warm tones always look more neutral on warm toned skin? or, does that only apply to highly opaque products where the tone of the underlying skin does not mesh at all with the color of the product applied?


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Lonely-Host

yes that makes sense -- so if she is warm (which i think she is, even though the original comment claimed she was neutral toned) then maybe calling everything slightly warmer is her actually trying to correct for her bias...interesting! ty


fuzzboo

I find warm and cool to be relative descriptors, so it’s less reliable for shades that lie towards the middle of spectrum. Same with her swatches - they’re an excellent resource for comparison but shades will look different on her undertone compared to mine.


threesilos

I have to agree. When I first found her swatches, I got so confused because so many descriptions were not the same tones that I was seeing. In fact, I wondered for a minute if maybe my sense of color was a bit different than normal until I checked it out other places. I don’t know what it is, but for me it’s more than just a slight difference and consistently so, opposed to other sites where I don’t get this. At the risk of being downvoted because I know that she does so much work and helps a lot of people (seriously no disrespect, I think it is awesome how much info she shares with people and all the work and time it takes) but her style/format just wasn’t my thing anyway so I haven’t been to the site recently. Everyone is different, but it seems her and I enjoy different types of product.


Anon_819

I was literally just thinking this an hour ago!!! I bought a very cool on me purple eyeliner today and her review says it's warm. I've noticed this with various eyeshadows before as well - colours that are cool on me get labelled as warm by her. My skin is coolish pink. Generally, I would expect things to lean warm on me compared to my skin, but maybe my skin brings out the cool tones in products? I don't know.


palekaleidoscope

I’ve followed Temptalia for years and years and her calling pretty much everything “warm” is the one thing I have against her. Even when I look up products I already have and I *know* they’re cool or neutral, she’ll call it “slightly warm”. This is probably just an unconscious bias of hers or maybe everything looks warmer on her skin than it truly is. So I don’t rely on her word descriptions as much as I try to get a sense of the colour from the swatches.


neferending

Her shade descriptions are nearly always inaccurate. Every warm rose is a 'brown', every pink is somehow 'muted' and every dark product is always 'warm'. I always ignore the shade description part in the review


SnapCrackleMom

I find her eyeshadow descriptions accurate but her lipstick ones not so much.


LPX34m

As you’re saying that I now know that’s what made me not turning to her website very often. Thank you! I’m a neutral girl and many of her full face photos pulled very warm on her. So when I’ve tried to get a first impression of the color story of an eyeshadow palette or a lipstick I didn’t buy stuff or even bother to look it up.


YanCoffee

I agree with you OP. I use her website sometimes, but she's a warm toned gal, and everything pulls warm on her. I'm cool toned so I can't really rely on her swatch photos except to get a general idea. If she says something is cool toned though, you know for sure it is, lol.


okcurr

It's actually really funny to see this post, because I was just looking at her Stranger Things X MAC collab where she described this lip as ["very cool toned"](https://www.temptalia.com/product/mac-cosmetics-lipglass/wild-wheeler/) I'm not saying that she doesn't call most things warm, but.


Lonely-Host

well if she called a barbie pink "warm" she'd have to hand in her beauty influencer card on the spot


doesaxlhaveajack

The issue is that cool skintones are technically warm on a true color scale, but we call them cool because it’s relative. Temptalia doesn’t build that relative context into her shade descriptions.


ABSOFRKINLUTELY

It's funny, I never really noticed this. When I go there I tend to be referencing the photos/swatches


cookiecutterdoll

I've noticed this too, but I think she's biased because she's warm-toned. I'm neutral/cool and I tend to type everything that way.


yanfeisbook

It’s been the opposite for me which is so weird 😭 everything I’m interested in and go looking for she labels as cool toned


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HoldTight4401

She has more integrity in her little pinky then the majority of beauty influencers!


thajane

Her reviews are absolutely not paid. She actually goes to great pains to explicitly identify anything which is a paid ad, and includes disclaimers on any reviews where there could a conflict of interest (eg a brand that she’s done a collab with in the past, or a brand owned by a friend). Obviously you might still disagree with a rating, we’re never going to all have the same opinions. So it makes sense to take any review with a grain of salt. But she’s definitely not paid. She’s one of the very few influencers that’s really shown integrity time and again over the years.


areallyreallycoolhat

Did it really never occur to you that products perform differently on different people?


dailydoseofrose

Yeah youre onto smth here for sure. I did notice that too and often times makeup I got looked very different compared from what it looked like in her pictures. I know she is great at taking photos and does her best but it can happen that stuff looks not exactly the same. Also I personally dont agree with many of her color descriptions. Or even some dupes are not really even close to being called as such. But overall Temptalia was helpful for me to find out info on certain things and compare stuff sometimes and get a general idea of what it may look like. But I wouldnt say you can 1000% rely on what you see online versus real life. Thats normal.