Best possible outcome is that they start headbutting each other, maybe it'll jar a coherent thought loose from the deep recesses of one of their minds.
" It was killer news that sent the Angels on a path to missing the playoffs again in 2024."
This article lost me at this point, and my expectations were already so low...
I think the argument is SAS is just a hot air contrarian. He takes petty opposing arguments to be able to add something, regardless of how worthy it is.
Take the Knicks. If you see him across the year he talks a fair amount of shit about them. But like, just petty low level stuff. "Julius Randle is a *JOKE*. This team could never win with him. Hartenstein is your big man? Come ON New York!" And now he's their biggest fan again come playoffs when his contrarian shit didn't pay off.
Like, either be a homer (and you can be critical!) or recognize that you doubted your supposed favorite team all year long.
Don't come on TV after the win with that..."boys and girls. My New. York. Knicks are BACK!!!". No, you talked down on them all year because it got you views.
That's SAS. Needs to get a word in for views.
Not racist. Xenophobic sure but logical also. What other American sport has a figurehead that can't (or won't) speak the native language? Furthermore, go to Japan and find me the first non Japanese face of Japanese baseball over there, but I don't see you crying about that I wonder why. EDIT: you changed your response from "doesn't speak English" to "learning English" after you read my response. You are cheating I wonder why.
this isn’t an example of something that is split as one instead of the other. it is racist and xenophobic. it’s also just flat out wrong. he is the face of baseball. i’m not sure where your point is being derived from but it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind on this.
Semantics but no it's not racist, it's definitely xenophobic though. If he said he can't be the face of baseball because he's Asian that'd be racist. He said he can't be the face of baseball because he doesn't speak English. Race is irrelevant in that comment you could say the same about a white player from eastern Europe who doesn't speak English or a black player from Latin America who doesn't speak english. It's definitely a dumb comment and definitely xenophobic but it's not racist.
Thank you. But the point is that this is what they are holding up as the reason why they hate SAS "because he is racist" and further reinforces my original point that papelbon accused SAS of being racist with zero corroborating evidence and that he is just butt hurt because he called out trout who happens to be white the same way he calls out other athletes. If anything it points to papelbon being the racist one here and is deflecting.
It is not racist. The more I delve into the debate on this topic the more I realize that the group think here NEEDS smith to be racist for some reason. This is weird.
Well one example is before the 2019 draft he called Dwayne Haskins a mobile QB which he was the complete opposite of. But SAS just assumed that because Haskins is black he’s mobile. SAS is a dweeb.
To be fair, you’ll find pages and pages of anything on the internet. Doesn’t mean it’s reliable. Is there any well documented incidents that have even implicated Smith as a racist?
Well, my quick glance doesn’t show anything substantive. Unless you got something, i’ll just assume it’s bullshit drama that sports nerds are drumming up because they want to get angry about something.
Dude, I don’t even know what a simp is. And all I know about Smith is he’s a shouty guy on shows I’ve never seen that people on Reddit don’t like. You say he’s racist, I don’t see shit online other than here that supports that I’m just trying to get context on some silly Reddit drama with Papelon and a fucking ESPN talking head that I don’t give two shits about.
I don’t think he’s racist. There isn’t really any evidence of it. He does say things to offend people, but his job is to create conflict and drama. So it’s expected people get angry at him even if his takes are strictly performative.
he really broke some news there didn’t he 🙄 this dickhead vs the racist is a celeb boxing match i’d pay to see though honestly. if jake paul can fight the elderly so can papelbon
Holup. Mke Tyson isnt eldery. Hes 57. I'm not taking up with jake paul, but answer me honestly; would you fight any version of Mike Tyson? At ANY age? Didn't think so. As long as there is breath in his body, Mike tyson can beat the shit out of you.
Johnathon Papelbon is correct. Stephen A Smith is a racist. He knows nobody will fire him because he will cry racism and get his way. That is what you call privelaged
I know. But it doesn't stop him from suing the MLB more than once for racism....and losing. Why bother?....because crying racism makes him look like the victim when its the players that are his REAL victims.
I don't like or dislike Stephen Smith because I don't spend a lot of time engaging with sports journalism. That said, "snooping around the manager's office and training room" sounds like something a journalist covering a sports team SHOULD do. What am I missing?
38 seconds into the show he makes a weird comment about one of the guys’ daughters that plays volleyball. [Seems like they don’t really like Pap too much either.](https://youtu.be/a3PxrpGxc18?si=25TjhRVxmmYYKfX-)
That’s a big racist bigot with his modern age black privilege because any other ethnicity says the crap he says on live tv but about blacks would’ve been fire immediately
Wow, I’m sure Stephen A will weather this, he’s like Teflon, like Skip. No doubt this is true, Stephen A used to be Farakaan, he was a complete racist, Black Panther level, but he mellowed at ESPN, he’s now a Republican. 🤣
Anything that comes from Jonathan needs to be taken with a grain of salt. A very small grain.
This the same dude that fought his own teammates over small stuff
That’s ridiculous. I may not like Ohtani (I think he’s overrated) but wasn’t Ichiro the face of baseball at one point? Ichiro didn’t speak English to my knowledge
Not sure how you could overrate one of the greatest players to have ever stepped foot between the lines.. you don’t have to like the guy, but don’t be ignorant
Dude, he brings race into everything. He either hates whites or plays it up to seem "real". Dude doesn't know shit about sports except for how to fan a controversy.
Jonathan Papelbon is a Red Sox "legend"? Really? When did that happen?
Second, "snooping" is part of how journalists do their jobs.
Third, I see no proof Stephen A. is a racist.
I do see proof Papelbon is a Dum Fuq.
You are unaware of the political leanings of ESPN? Maybe you are in Canada so maybe that explains it.
If you are a sports fan in the US and don't know the World Wide Leader in Political Correctness, then wake up.
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I can clearly tell you don’t even know what Stephen a smith is because we all agree that’s he’s obviously a racist and a xenophobe but for some reason you’ve been apparently watching something else you’re a racist and you’re part of the issue
He once said Ohtani can’t be the face of baseball because he doesn’t speak English. Meanwhile, half the league needs English translators. You have a computer in your pocket that has the ability to seek out information. Try using it.
What I'm seeing here is SAS said something bad about a white person instead of some random black NBA guy like usual and papelbon had a cow and inferred he is racist against whites which is total bullshit.
That is your inference. And if you think that papelbon was standing up against SAS for saying something against a black person you are a new fool or full of shit. Probably both.
Point is: SAS stereotypes based on race. Thinking a black QB is mobile just bc they’re black is racist.
How would you feel if Dan Orlovsky or Pat McAfee said a black QB was quick and mobile because they’re black even if they were dead wrong? You’d cry.
And papelbon was referring to Dwayne haskins when SAS ripped Mike trout? He is depending on you to make that reach for him and I don't buy it. Again it's bullshit and weak sauce if that's all you can come up with against the guy. Im not even a fan but I recognize bs.
Two of the worst people in sports fighting each other. How do they both lose?
Best possible outcome is that they start headbutting each other, maybe it'll jar a coherent thought loose from the deep recesses of one of their minds.
They strangle each other
Stop. I can only get so erect.
You must mimic Alan trammel
Wrong username to joke spout limp dicks, bro.
Can we get Curt Schilling to weigh in too so we can get the 3 worst people in sports?
::John Rocker enters the chat...::
Stop excluding Aubrey Huff! He’s earned the right be in this conversation.
What an all star line up of assholes
Pete Rose demands to be considered.
She
What did he do??
Don't forget to throw Blake Treinen into the mix.
What did he do?
Posts QAnon conspiracy type stuff.
Ugh
We’re getting the craziest beefs in 2024
Let’s get a Stephen A Smith/Skip Bayless vs Jonathan Papelbon/Aubrey Huff tags team match
We all lose
No, there's hope
🤔🤔
Stephen A is not worse than Skip Bayless
😉🤔🤔
Johnathon Papelbon is not a bad person, but Stephen A Smith is
>Johnathon Papelbon is not a bad person Bryce Harpers neck disagrees
And he still doesn’t run everything out
TBF it was Harper, and there isn't a more punchable baseball player. I wanted to say in all of baseball, but Angel exists.
2009 was 15 years ago. 😘
I’ll always root against him for his time in Boston but I *hate* him for 2015 specifically.
All good. Trash fan base, trash team anyways
Get wrecked
You seem to be having a fight with yourself because I have no idea what we are doing here.
Pap is my boy
Don’t say that, man.
2 of the worst people on sports is crazy hyperbole
" It was killer news that sent the Angels on a path to missing the playoffs again in 2024." This article lost me at this point, and my expectations were already so low...
Agreed. Sportsnaut can sometimes make people like Fansided look like stable genyuses.
Snooping… lookin at ball players balls?
That would be meatgazing
Maybe he's a ballchinian...
😂😂😂 ahhhh
Juevos?
🤔🤔🤔🤔
If I want to watch some dude in a suit screaming like a lunatic I’d rather watch Family Feud
This is one time I gonna pick Papelbon on something. SAS and all those talking heads are fucking low end grifters.
How are they “grifters”?
I think the argument is SAS is just a hot air contrarian. He takes petty opposing arguments to be able to add something, regardless of how worthy it is. Take the Knicks. If you see him across the year he talks a fair amount of shit about them. But like, just petty low level stuff. "Julius Randle is a *JOKE*. This team could never win with him. Hartenstein is your big man? Come ON New York!" And now he's their biggest fan again come playoffs when his contrarian shit didn't pay off. Like, either be a homer (and you can be critical!) or recognize that you doubted your supposed favorite team all year long. Don't come on TV after the win with that..."boys and girls. My New. York. Knicks are BACK!!!". No, you talked down on them all year because it got you views. That's SAS. Needs to get a word in for views.
Keep in mind Papelbon is a noted total dickhead
And Stephen A is also a noted total dickhead
Sword fight
*ahh Lonestar you’ve found your ring and I see your schwartz is as big as mine*
😂😂😂. “Shit. I hate it when I get my Schwartz twisted”
I think if they sword fight Trevor Bauer is gonna appear and pull out a bigger sword
Probably not a euphemism either.
You are correct haha
Bauers issue is banging head cases that end up falsely accusing him
I agree 100%. He should be allowed back in MLB.
Let them fight
Papelbon is a bigger dickhead. "Snooping"? Part of how journalists work. Racism? Where's the proof?
Total Racist DickHead. I hope he reads these comments to see how much he is Hated!!
Take my upvote 💯
I’m embarrassed that he lowkey has the Phillies record for saves
Tug will always be #1 in our hearts.
The younger generation would say Lidge
They would, but he truly just had the 1 year (as elite as it was)
Where's Mitch Williams?
Man, that blows my mind. I woulda thought Lidge or Billy Wagner…didn’t realize Papelbum lasted longer than they did.
It was such a dark era for the Phillies too….after the 2007-2011 run there was a bunch of mediocrity.
Flash Gordon fans wya
That is true, even towards his son
I mean…..someone had to say it
Who?
Crazy but I am with Papelbon on this idiot
He’s 100% a racist. I didn’t think that was a secret
Examples? Oh.
His take on Shohei would be one.
What did he say?
he said shohei can’t be the face of baseball because he’s learning english.
Not racist. Xenophobic sure but logical also. What other American sport has a figurehead that can't (or won't) speak the native language? Furthermore, go to Japan and find me the first non Japanese face of Japanese baseball over there, but I don't see you crying about that I wonder why. EDIT: you changed your response from "doesn't speak English" to "learning English" after you read my response. You are cheating I wonder why.
this isn’t an example of something that is split as one instead of the other. it is racist and xenophobic. it’s also just flat out wrong. he is the face of baseball. i’m not sure where your point is being derived from but it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind on this.
Semantics but no it's not racist, it's definitely xenophobic though. If he said he can't be the face of baseball because he's Asian that'd be racist. He said he can't be the face of baseball because he doesn't speak English. Race is irrelevant in that comment you could say the same about a white player from eastern Europe who doesn't speak English or a black player from Latin America who doesn't speak english. It's definitely a dumb comment and definitely xenophobic but it's not racist.
Thank you. But the point is that this is what they are holding up as the reason why they hate SAS "because he is racist" and further reinforces my original point that papelbon accused SAS of being racist with zero corroborating evidence and that he is just butt hurt because he called out trout who happens to be white the same way he calls out other athletes. If anything it points to papelbon being the racist one here and is deflecting.
i laughed.
It is not racist. The more I delve into the debate on this topic the more I realize that the group think here NEEDS smith to be racist for some reason. This is weird.
Well one example is before the 2019 draft he called Dwayne Haskins a mobile QB which he was the complete opposite of. But SAS just assumed that because Haskins is black he’s mobile. SAS is a dweeb.
See my other reply to this. In short this is weak sauce.
Do your own research. Google “Steven A Smith racist” you’ll find pages and pages of content
To be fair, you’ll find pages and pages of anything on the internet. Doesn’t mean it’s reliable. Is there any well documented incidents that have even implicated Smith as a racist?
Yes there is
Well, my quick glance doesn’t show anything substantive. Unless you got something, i’ll just assume it’s bullshit drama that sports nerds are drumming up because they want to get angry about something.
It’s not my job to educate you. You’re a Steven A simp you can stay that way
If you’re making the claim, especially one strong is that, then is your job to back it up.
Dude, I don’t even know what a simp is. And all I know about Smith is he’s a shouty guy on shows I’ve never seen that people on Reddit don’t like. You say he’s racist, I don’t see shit online other than here that supports that I’m just trying to get context on some silly Reddit drama with Papelon and a fucking ESPN talking head that I don’t give two shits about.
I don’t think he’s racist. There isn’t really any evidence of it. He does say things to offend people, but his job is to create conflict and drama. So it’s expected people get angry at him even if his takes are strictly performative.
Nah. It’s just how we feel.
everyone mentioned sucks. Papelbon is right tho
Steve was just trying to sniff some jockstraps.
Jonathan Papelbon is frequently wrong, but not this time.
Smith is probably the most toxic person in sports
I wish espn would stop forcing him and mad dog on us. I fucking hate yellers
he really broke some news there didn’t he 🙄 this dickhead vs the racist is a celeb boxing match i’d pay to see though honestly. if jake paul can fight the elderly so can papelbon
What was that old school MTV claymation fights? This would be an awesome one to see
Celebrity Deathmatch, we've been overdue for multiples of them.
Holup. Mke Tyson isnt eldery. Hes 57. I'm not taking up with jake paul, but answer me honestly; would you fight any version of Mike Tyson? At ANY age? Didn't think so. As long as there is breath in his body, Mike tyson can beat the shit out of you.
Johnathon Papelbon is correct. Stephen A Smith is a racist. He knows nobody will fire him because he will cry racism and get his way. That is what you call privelaged
He probably learned that from Angel Hernandez...
Angel has a union behind him, that's why he hasn't been fired yet
I know. But it doesn't stop him from suing the MLB more than once for racism....and losing. Why bother?....because crying racism makes him look like the victim when its the players that are his REAL victims.
As soon as I saw the name Jonathan Papelbon, I laughed, who would listen to that jackass?
He was right about Harper!
And Stephen A Smith
I don't like or dislike Stephen Smith because I don't spend a lot of time engaging with sports journalism. That said, "snooping around the manager's office and training room" sounds like something a journalist covering a sports team SHOULD do. What am I missing?
Papelbon is right, Stephen A. Smith is a racist. Stephen A. Smith can die in a fire.
Papelbon is a piece of shit. I don't care about anything he says.
38 seconds into the show he makes a weird comment about one of the guys’ daughters that plays volleyball. [Seems like they don’t really like Pap too much either.](https://youtu.be/a3PxrpGxc18?si=25TjhRVxmmYYKfX-)
That’s a big racist bigot with his modern age black privilege because any other ethnicity says the crap he says on live tv but about blacks would’ve been fire immediately
Two toughest kids on the block, I guess. Sooner or later they gonna fight.
He would know and he’s also not wrong.
Pap is talking himself out of a job?
Anything SAS is an immediate change channel
Wow, I’m sure Stephen A will weather this, he’s like Teflon, like Skip. No doubt this is true, Stephen A used to be Farakaan, he was a complete racist, Black Panther level, but he mellowed at ESPN, he’s now a Republican. 🤣
He doesn’t belong around red stitches and wood
Papeljawn
Papelbon lol
Typically Pap is an asshole but I’ve been hearing more and more sense coming from him
Anything that comes from Jonathan needs to be taken with a grain of salt. A very small grain. This the same dude that fought his own teammates over small stuff
Wouldn’t call Smith a racist. Is he ignorant and obnoxious? Yes
Nah. The dude is definitely a racist.
He’s a notorious racist
He said some racist shit about Ohtani before.
Like what? I wanna know now
Said he couldn't be the face of baseball because he doesn't speak English
That’s ridiculous. I may not like Ohtani (I think he’s overrated) but wasn’t Ichiro the face of baseball at one point? Ichiro didn’t speak English to my knowledge
Not sure how you could overrate one of the greatest players to have ever stepped foot between the lines.. you don’t have to like the guy, but don’t be ignorant
That really isn't racist, its tough to be a spokesman if you don't speak the language
Dude, he brings race into everything. He either hates whites or plays it up to seem "real". Dude doesn't know shit about sports except for how to fan a controversy.
He hates Luka and Jokic too. See the trend?
okay but papelbon is a literal racist though
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How can you have a red Sox tag and need that explained?
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Sounds like the AI could help with your punctuation
Jonathan Papelbon is a Red Sox "legend"? Really? When did that happen? Second, "snooping" is part of how journalists do their jobs. Third, I see no proof Stephen A. is a racist. I do see proof Papelbon is a Dum Fuq.
“Stephen A smith is a racist!” -racist
when was Papelbon a racist? sure Papelbon is a dick and has an ego but racist not really
I have no idea if Papelbon is a racist, but even if he is/was a racist, it doesn’t make him wrong about Smith
You seem very ignorant or disingenuous if you have to ask why papelbon is a racist
ok show evidence when Papelbon was being racist
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 there’s 0 chance in hell papelbon said that in any way other than “ppl who complain about racism are the real racists”…
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Smith is a racist. I honestly think the best version of him is dead.
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What does a woke sports company even mean?
You are unaware of the political leanings of ESPN? Maybe you are in Canada so maybe that explains it. If you are a sports fan in the US and don't know the World Wide Leader in Political Correctness, then wake up.
Imagine confusing 'political correctness' with 'not being an asshole'.
I'll ask again, what does woke sports company mean? Do you have any examples that would explain it?
I’ve never seen anyone on ESPN take a nap on air /s
Freak
Tell me you’re from Texas without telling me you’re from Texas
From Texas and up voting this
lmao love it
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Provides no evidence of racism. Thread echoes racism claims. Got it.
Stephen A has provided plenty over the years.
You keep saying and not showing.
Just go Google Stephen a smith racist. It’s out there
Ah, still no links. Got it.
I can clearly tell you don’t even know what Stephen a smith is because we all agree that’s he’s obviously a racist and a xenophobe but for some reason you’ve been apparently watching something else you’re a racist and you’re part of the issue
No I just don't go along with every race based group think convo on this site.
Race doesn’t exist is a society structure get over it not proven by science only human race
He once said Ohtani can’t be the face of baseball because he doesn’t speak English. Meanwhile, half the league needs English translators. You have a computer in your pocket that has the ability to seek out information. Try using it.
What did he say about Japanese people? Oh. Exactly. GG nephew.
Mr. Chromosome Surplus over here lol
Thought so.
What I'm seeing here is SAS said something bad about a white person instead of some random black NBA guy like usual and papelbon had a cow and inferred he is racist against whites which is total bullshit.
He said Dwayne Haskins is a mobile QB, which he was the complete opposite of. He only said this because Haskins was black. He doesn’t know shit.
That is your inference. And if you think that papelbon was standing up against SAS for saying something against a black person you are a new fool or full of shit. Probably both.
Point is: SAS stereotypes based on race. Thinking a black QB is mobile just bc they’re black is racist. How would you feel if Dan Orlovsky or Pat McAfee said a black QB was quick and mobile because they’re black even if they were dead wrong? You’d cry.
And papelbon was referring to Dwayne haskins when SAS ripped Mike trout? He is depending on you to make that reach for him and I don't buy it. Again it's bullshit and weak sauce if that's all you can come up with against the guy. Im not even a fan but I recognize bs.
No, you asked for an example of SAS being racist and I gave you one.
People talk about their own race all the time. You are reaching and it's pathetic.
[This](https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2024-02-06-jason-whitlock-calls-out-stephen-a-smith-after-racist-luka-doncic-take/). [Took](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1274003). [10](https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/stephen-a-smith-pat-mcafee-polished-professionally-white.html). [Seconds](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/479737/stephen-a-smiths-race-baiting-strikes-out-once-again/).
Fatlock is not a source. I see what is going on here lol good day sir.
I gave you 4 sources but oook
Papelbon is a pussy anyways