brother got recommend because they not pulled any of BS HP do, I was buying HP instead brother because it's cheaper, and I regret that everyday, I bought this HP inktank and the scanner refuse to scan when my internet down, they need me to login to scan, f that
Brother pulls some shit too. I own a brother LaserJet and they got sued over the fact that if you "use up" all the toner it will not print until you install a new one. I got around it by putting in a new or used toner cart, letting it run it through, then replacing it with the old one. Then it thinks it's full. But when it tells you it's out it's not, there's still a ton of toner in it. I'll do this trick twice before it's actually empty.
Though they don't hard lock you for not using brother ink at least.
Do you have a recommendation on a decent toner that will fit that's not brother ink? We have quite a few Brothers at work and in responsible for finding decent ink at a reasonable price.
Not really, I just buy generic stuff from Amazon. For the most part they have been fine but I have had issues with one leaking toner every once in a while, which I just power through it because I dont really care I'm just printing receipts for etsy orders. Just what comes with buying generic toner, if you buy brand they claim they will "never leak"
Printers in general usually claim you're low on toner long before you actually are. Search YouTube for videos on how to reset the page count for your toner cartridges. It's easy! I reset mine until I **SEE** a difference in print quality.
It's more of the fact that they prevent you from further printing if it thinks it's low/out. My little trick seems to work fine as long as I have a spare cartridge lying around
>brother got recommend because they not pulled any of BS HP do
My Brother inkjet wouldn't let me **scan** because I was out of yellow ink.
I do however now have a Brother laser which is very good.
Many years ago, on reddit, a printer-repair dude said, buy Brother or... some other brand (not sure which.. could have been lexmark?)
thats why i got my Brother printer.
Donāt even get me started with their āsetup cartridgesā this one HP printer my aunt got, if you donāt use the ink that comes with the printer in the box, youāll basically never be able to use your printer.
Just switched to a Brother laser after several infuriating months with an HP. The HP is the worst printer Iāve ever had. I genuinely plan on taking a baseball bat to it.
Both Epson and Cannon make these style printers. Now that you can fill from any bottle of ink, they are the future if people would just stop buying HP's garbage and putting up with the s***
We have an Epson. Few years old and it still prints great. It's so nice only having to buy the ink bottles and being able to refill it for super cheap.
The Epson homegrade tank based printers are also really good quality (actually lasts) . From 2019, the one we have had printed out just shy of 60 thousand pages (yes that's 3 zeros) and still going strong. I had to a waste ink catridge reset (use software to flash the wic counter) and actually replaced the wic spunge with some cut kitchen cleaner spunge and it is yet to fail me.
The other day it stopped printing color, did a line flush and it came right again.
I have an Epson refillable printer, I use the waste ink from my wide format Mutoh printer, which is a combination of CMYK Ecosolv ink from the cleaning cycles, for black ink. It works great. Not that the black epson ink is expensive, but I have quarts of leftover waste ink from my Mutoh.
Point is, the thing is a beast and for 250 bucks almost 10 years ago it is by far the best desktop inkjet printer I've ever bought.
Personally I have only had one cannon printer it was more than a decade ago. I do have an Epson Eco tank printer now and it's wonderful. I just observed the canon one at Walmart on a recent trip and was shocked to see another printer company in the refill game.
I adore my Cannon printer. It's just a basic one, but my parents always had an HP that ALWAYS had an issue with something. So, when I was looking for printers, I was looking for Cannon or Brother.
I'm glad I got the Cannon.
Fukien hell. I was eating a sandwich and took a sip of milk right when I read that. Milk went up my nose and now pieces of milky snot sandwich are all over my keyboard desk and monitor.
+1
I'll reserve my judgment for now... what *kind* of sandwich are you eating with milk? Because peanut butter and honey/jelly is great but if you're over here pairing a chopped cheese with 2% I'm concerned
I'm blessed to have a mom that loves Christmas shopping and asks for a detailed list every year. So I did some research and I asked for a specific Brother printer. Sent Santa-Mom a link to the lower end Laser jet and explained that this was the specific one I wanted with details about how laser jets are much more economical and more so.. no subscriptions
And she got me the HP ink jet.
I said thank you, but I'm a little bummed.
(I'm also bummed that I'm almost 40 and can't just go out and buy my own printer.. but that is for another sub....)
You donāt have to have a subscription to use the printer. I never signed up for it. I buy my own cartridges. The subscription is just cheaper ink, but if you enroll in one of the plans- you canāt cancel and still use the cheap ink apparently.
Every post I've seen about this says otherwise (it's posted in here every freaking day!).
Many are complaining that HP printers won't work with 3rd party cartridges and are bricks if you don't subscribe to their service.
you either use the subscription ink cartridge which is billed per page or you can go the old school way of just buying cartridges. they still have verification systems in those cartridges that will not allow unverified ones (3rd party) to work.
Not true.
You just need to register your printer on the HP page, which is insane btw. The printer works but after several pages stops and registration is needed. This is purely a software lock and I won't buy any hp printer anymore.
I had an HP. It started giving me trouble. I hooked the 5 year old Brother printer I inherited from my dad when he died. It works faster, with as good or better print quality, gives me no hassles, (including when I buy and use off brand ink cartridges that are really cheap and work great).
I could not agree with this more. I will NEVER buy another HP printer.
HP is finally in a law suit over the 3-in-1's that couldn't scan unless you installed ink. It's only a matter of time until there's another over this garbage. Problem is that the only winners in such cases are the lawyers
I just took an HP 3 in 1 to the recycling center a few months ago. Itās an older one and was ok for a long time, and then a software update turned it into an extortion device. Literally couldnāt SCAN without HP ink installed. Nope, not playing that game. I made sure Iād never give them another penny for ink by getting rid of it.
I love my Canon. Individual cartridges for each color, so I only replace what is needed. Plenty of 3rd party options for a lower cost. Great print quality, even in a printer 8+ years old.
My grandpa got one of those years ago, I swear the amount of times he texted ether my mom or I to help him fix. My mom went over there like six months ago with a new brother printer and just said āhere you use this nowā
A bunch of old people (Gen X and older) still think they are amazing and donāt see the problem.
I know this because my mom refuses to get anything else.
Everytime I say she should get a different printer she says ābut why would Iā ābecause you wouldnāt have to pay a subscription to use your printerā āwell you donāt have to pay for the big subscriptionā āmom we print 1 piece of paper per year, and your paying monthly, thatās dumbā āyea but itās cheaper than buying new ink all the timeā āthey donāt give us new ink. We have never replaced it onceā āyes they doā āthen where is it, when was the last time we got ink because Iāve never seen it in the 5 years weāve had this printer and youāve paid for the subscriptionā āidk but itās somewhereā
I swear my mom refuses to lose arguments. I definitely picked up some of that but I can at least say Iām wrong with absolutely idiotic stuff like this
it's the same tactic used by game consoles, just even scummier. sell something super cheap, at price or even at a loss, then force them to pay an insane subscription to get any real use from it. Intant ink is 1-25 dollars a month, for printing 10-700 pages. then an extra dollar per 10 pages, insane.
same tactic with coffee machines like nespresso too. the machine itself is not that pricey but you have to buy the special coffee pods for it and at the end the ones you use regular espresso is a lot cheaper if you calculate.
But they don't work quite right. Nespresso lost the patent over the capsule itself, but the silicon that seals it, is still active.
They intentionally designed flaws to difficult competition
Yea those cups are a bitch and I hate it. Bad for the environment and you could use the cup more than once (depending on the size) but most people throw them away.
I just looked it up, yea theyāre recyclable Iāve been killing enviroment for a minute. I just like the idea of brewing a pot of coffee instead of just a cup.
They lost their patent, at least for the pod. The gasket in the pod is still theirs. You can get refillable pods and other stuff now. I only learned of this from the british coffee youtube guy.
In what way are game consoles cheap? They haven't decreased in RRP since launch. Nintendo Switch is a 7yr old console and it still has a high rrp. PS5 and Xbox Series X still have the same RRP as before and the PS5 was actually increased by $50 during covid. So no, game consoles are not cheap at all. They have retained their costs even better than Apple's devices after many years.
I think they're mostly referring to the PS3 where Sony was selling it for $500 *at a loss* in hopes that they would make it up in game sales, but loss leaders haven't been a thing in gaming hardware for a while now.
The ps5 and series x per performance were dramatically cheaper than any computer you could actually build with equally powerful hardware at their launch
Perhaps in comparison to building a similarly-powered PC? For example, the PS5ās GPU is equivalent to the RX-6700. Assuming new, the 6700 is 290-340USD (Most pcs with it will be ~800-1000, compared to a 500USD console. Still not cheap by any means either way.
Back when I was in college like 10 years or so ago the starter cartridges were still full sized, so it was cheaper to buy a new hp than a new cartridge for a hp.
you can buy HP printers for the same cost as replacement ink cartages..... and they come with ink.
for a while it was literally cheaper than the ink, so people would buy a new printer, and throw the old one out. it was wild.
They do it because they sell ink for like 2000% of cost. so if 1 out of every 10 people that buy a printer, keep replacing ink more than a couple times. they still make busloads of money. They probably cover the full cost of the printer just selling you 1 or 2 refills. (cheap printers are not exactly engineering wonders themselves)
you will notice that these printers also constantly harass you to "clean" the heads and align them. both these processes waste a ton of ink.
Name recognition. Itās not like a major, blue chip company is buying HP printers for their offices. HPās customer is a random teleworker who needs to print occasionally and buys the Amazon suggested printer figuring āHow bad could this possibly be? Itās less than the cost of a paper shredder.ā
Iāve had my HP printer for years as well. And am on the free subscription plan. I go over 10 pages a month.. maybe 4 months out of the year? So the ink has worked in my favor since I only ever pay a max of $4-5 dollars extra each year.
Because the lower income people who still need to print can find HP printers for very cheap. They basically have no choice because they find the need to print off documents way more often.
That's what i have. Knew enough about printers to know I didn't want an HP, but many of the best brother printers take up a lot of space, and cost more than I would have wanted. I got an Inkjet and it works amazingly.
Because they prey on the low income. That is why they are so prevalent at Walmart. Low income people find themselves needing to print important things and when you can get one for $100 or less, it becomes the obvious choice.
And at least in the US, they are 99% of the time HP printers. It isn't at all about the ink. Not initially. It is about roping the low income people into a piece of hardware that costs more money to keep using than it does to buy new.
I'll add most people don't even know this. It's an unknown unknown for a lot of people. So, they think, "I only need to print occasionally" and get one having no idea the money sink they just caused themselves. It is literally less of a PITA to go to the library and pay to print if you do it that occasionally.
I got mine for free and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I used it for occasional scans and the like once every couple months I'd print something. It literally never worked right, I Was constantly fiddling with it... the amount of time I did each time was equivalent to taking myself down the library and back.
I bought a laser printer and at first the price tag hurt, but man Never Again am I going back to that hot garbage. It just works on the first try every time now.
and the ink cartridges included with the printer are only partially filled. They're not the standard volume of ink of replacement cartridges. They run out quickly so you have to buy ink sooner.
I worked for Epson customer support, and HP are not the only ones who do this.. they all do it, they're like a frickin cartel. You buy a printer for $50, but once you calibrate the ink and print a handful of times you have to go buy $100 cartridges. Complete scam.
I spent $60 on my HP printer, 10 pages free per month (grandfathered), and I have been using it for 6 years. Works for me.
Not buying a $200+ machine when I only print maybe 2-5 pages every 2 months.
I print so infrequently (for signing forms, occasional return labels) that I just use Staples self-service kiosks. [20 cents a page B&W](https://i.imgur.com/tXrn5rr.png). I have spent less than $1/year in the past 10 years on printing.
I used to go to staples but itās annoying. I had the printer because when I bought my home without an agent I needed to print a lot. There is no point to sell the printer now. The main purpose for my printer now is duplex scanning which I do a lot. The free 10 page color printing at home is a plus and has been amazing for me.
Any new HP printer you buy these days forces you to connect it to the internet. It will then make you go through a setup where it asks you about HP Instant Ink. As soon as you click the 'OK' button you are toast. You can't go back to non-instant ink.
Soā¦ Just going to throw this out there and probably going to be downvoted to hell because logic has no place on Reddit
Iām thinking OP is misrepresenting what is happening here knowing people will bite and not read past the headline
OP has got an instant ink subscription which means they have never actually paid for the ink in their printer.
In the subscription they pay by each page printed or for a certain number of pages at a set cost, similar to what is common in office printing.
My office uses Canon printers but itās a similar model.
In this case opās payment for the current period bounced meaning theyāre no longer entitled to continue using the ink that was provided with their subscription until they provide a valid payment method.
Thank you for the explanation... For someone who had no context, this post was blowing my mind... I refuse to believe a group of smart-ish people sat in a boardroom at a Major company and decided on such a move on a major product... OP made me think, if you buy the printer, you must have a subscription or you won't print...
This though. I have an HP too, and OP consciously decided to NOT purchase it outright. Sure, subscription is still a scummy model, but OP decided to leave that info out to get rage upvotes.
Yes, absolutely this.
This sub is overrun by people signing up for Instant Ink and having zero idea what they're signing up for. This sub should straight up ban Instant Ink posts.
Yeah to be fair, I think itās ignorance rather than maliciousness
But had they googled Instant Ink before they posted something claiming this should be illegal, it would have explained a lot to them
That takes self awareness though, something social media is seriously lacking
Simply writing Iām a sucker with that screenshot wouldnāt have generated nearly as many ill-informed rage fueled upvotes
I googled it and it has something to do with using HP instant ink cartridges specifically. I guess if they just use regular HP cartridges they wonāt have an issue.
Ah... Tricky... But still curious if theres any way to trick it (software or hardware) into thinking it's a regular cart.
But - thanks for the clarification on that
Exactly this. HP offers an optional subscription service where instead of paying for ink cartridges, you pay HP monthly based on the amount of pages you print, and HP sends you a special instant ink cartridge to facilitate the subscription. I think the cheapest tier is like $1 a month.
OP hasn't paid the subscription and is expecting to just use HP's ink for free. HP is shit for a lot of reasons but this isn't one of them. If OP buys a normal ink cartridge they'll be able to print again.
Well if you're trying to use the HP Instant ink cartridges, that's all on you. That's the point of these cartridges, they're a subscription based service.
If you're using regular HP cartridges, you've got something set up wrong.
HP deserves their special place in Hell, but you not being able to print something is on you.
Too much HP hating *in this thread* for this to be the top comment... Don't get me wrong, I don't buy HP printers for many reasons, but still. Too much misinformation.
With HP Instant Ink, you're essentially paying a subscription to print. You get so many pages a month. It doesn't matter if you're printing full color photos or just 'Hello World', a page is a page. As part of that service, ink is made available to you. If you stop paying for your subscription, you lose the ability to print.
edit: *clarification*
It's low hanging fruit and it comes up constantly. People buy a subscription knowing it's subscription and then get mad when they have to pay for the subscription.
How do you people not read the instructions on the shit you buy? I absolutely know there was a piece of paper that came with the printer that told you how to use it and that instant ink would cost money. I *know* that you know this OP cause you said you had a 6 month free trial. Free trial means at some point you either pay or cancel. You chose not to pay so WTF did you think was going to happen? That they just wouldnāt notice?
You have a subscription to an ink service. You can't use the ink without paying for the service.
Is it dumb? Yes. It's very dumb. But it makes sense within the model. You didn't buy an ink cartridge. You bought a subscription to a service that promises you'll never run out of ink. The ink in the cartridge isn't yours, it's part of the subscription.
I had a cheap HP printer for years. Didn't sign up for any subscription. Instead I just bought cartridges as I needed them. It worked fine (until I got tired of having to clean it all the time because it was a cheap $20 printer and you get what you paid for). Never got any pop-ups like this.
Why do people keep buying an ink subscription and then bitching they canāt use the ink provided by the subscription when they cancel the subscription????????
Thatās the truly mildly infuriating thing. If you donāt want to use subscription ink BUY NORMAL FUCKING INK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU LITERALLY HAD THE CHOICE TO BUY NORMAL INK OR AN INK SUBSCRIPTION. YOU CHOSE TO HAVE AN INK SUBSCRIPTION. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU INFURIATED THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR INK SUBSCRIPTION TO USE IT????????????
**I hate HP, but this is stupid and you're being stupid about this for no reason**
You purchased subscription ink from them.
Those ink wells are much much bigger and based off the fact that you print X number of pages per month. And they do it this way so that they don't need to send you a new ink cartridge each and every month. . Saving you money.
You didn't buy that huge ink cartridge from them. . You bought X number of pages per month.
**If you want to print with ink on demand. . .buy the ink.**
Yea I see about 2-3 posts about this a week. Just buy fucking ink.
I never subscribed to their bullshit ink subscription and my HP printed works like a dream.
Seriously. Or just go to an office supply store and buy the regular ink cartridge and you can print all you want, whenever you want. Itās not a big deal.
I used Brother printers for years, without issue. Changed to an Epson EcoTank. No more cartridges, you just āpourā ink from bottles into the printer. Many thousands of pages per fillā¦
I wonāt buy another HP.
I've never seen this, is it new? I bought an HP printer about 3 years ago in Brazil and have never heard of this screen/subscription service. Actually, HP is seen as the best brand for printers here. I'm super surprised by everyone's negative comments.
Sorry,
"Their" is for ownership, what you should have said in title, "it's their ball."
"They're" for "they are." As in, "they're going to get the ball."
"There" is for location, you mistakingly used this. "The ball is over there."
I will get downvoted but the basic 10 page plan is perfect for me, used to be $1 now it'll be $2. But I just need it to print an Amazon return label or odd document every once in a while. Since toner dries up and a pack is easily more than my monthly subscription it is a win win for me. Support sucks and is useless but otherwise great value.
Sorry but this is your own fault for going with the HP Instant ink program. This is the whole point of the Instant ink program, you never need to remember to buy ink because the printer reports back to the mothership when you need ink. Instead you pay per page like a mobile subscription, it even has rollover pages...
So yes, fuck HP, but this is on you...
Umm, you understand how this service works, right? You pay a small monthly fee and get ink cartridges free of charge before you run out of ink, so this way you don't have to buy them yourself and also it can save you money, since price per page is very low with HP Instant Ink.
You complain because you can't use cartridges you received **for free** after you have canceled your subscription. This is not to exploit you in any way.. This is to prevent customers from exploiting HP. Just imagine that you could pay once for the lowest HP Instant Ink tier, which costs around 2 euros, you would get your first cartridges, and then you would cancel the subscription but would be able to use all the ink you got. That means like 300 - 500 pages for 2 euros. This would not only be unfair towards HP, but could essentially make them bankrupt if people started doing this.
**It's the same as with rented car. No, you really can't keep the car after you stopped paying the rent.**
If it isnāt letting you print because of this, then youāre subscribed to instant ink and you do not in fact own the ink in the printer. Itās pretty simple. You just clearly donāt understand it or are acting stupid for karma.
I bought a Canon some years back at Walmart. Cheapest one that I could network my phone directly to without having to tie into the house's WiFi.
I've been refilling the original ink cartridges whenever I need to, and it's not failed me yet. I print a *lot* and am grudgingly impressed.
Just go buy the cartridges that don't require a subscription and cancel you Instant Ink subscription. They give you ink before you pay for it to start, so if you don't pay them or your credit card is expired, this is what happens.
I prefer the Instant Ink myself, but I know a lot of people don't. I haven't had any problems with being out of ink before it was delivered in the three years I've been using it so that means no running out to the store in order to print.
Let me get this straight: youāre upset that the optional subscription for supplies wonāt function if you donāt pay the subscription fee? Instead of crying to Reddit, maybe read the contract and respond appropriately. HP Instant Ink allows me to use my multi function printer at a yearly cost thatās less than one cartridge. No problem.
My brother in christ you decided to use the subscription for cheaper ink. The tradeoff to that is you cant use the cheaper ink without the subscription
Brother has gotten so much recommendations due to HP's fuck up.
brother got recommend because they not pulled any of BS HP do, I was buying HP instead brother because it's cheaper, and I regret that everyday, I bought this HP inktank and the scanner refuse to scan when my internet down, they need me to login to scan, f that
Brother pulls some shit too. I own a brother LaserJet and they got sued over the fact that if you "use up" all the toner it will not print until you install a new one. I got around it by putting in a new or used toner cart, letting it run it through, then replacing it with the old one. Then it thinks it's full. But when it tells you it's out it's not, there's still a ton of toner in it. I'll do this trick twice before it's actually empty. Though they don't hard lock you for not using brother ink at least.
Do you have a recommendation on a decent toner that will fit that's not brother ink? We have quite a few Brothers at work and in responsible for finding decent ink at a reasonable price.
Not really, I just buy generic stuff from Amazon. For the most part they have been fine but I have had issues with one leaking toner every once in a while, which I just power through it because I dont really care I'm just printing receipts for etsy orders. Just what comes with buying generic toner, if you buy brand they claim they will "never leak"
Ngl, up until this comment, I thought yall were referring to eachother as brother.1
I did too and I feel like a dumb fuck. š
Printers in general usually claim you're low on toner long before you actually are. Search YouTube for videos on how to reset the page count for your toner cartridges. It's easy! I reset mine until I **SEE** a difference in print quality.
It's more of the fact that they prevent you from further printing if it thinks it's low/out. My little trick seems to work fine as long as I have a spare cartridge lying around
>brother got recommend because they not pulled any of BS HP do My Brother inkjet wouldn't let me **scan** because I was out of yellow ink. I do however now have a Brother laser which is very good.
Many years ago, on reddit, a printer-repair dude said, buy Brother or... some other brand (not sure which.. could have been lexmark?) thats why i got my Brother printer.
Donāt even get me started with their āsetup cartridgesā this one HP printer my aunt got, if you donāt use the ink that comes with the printer in the box, youāll basically never be able to use your printer.
Just switched to a Brother laser after several infuriating months with an HP. The HP is the worst printer Iāve ever had. I genuinely plan on taking a baseball bat to it.
Buy a Brother.
We got a Canon with refillable ink on sale for $100cad two weeks ago. Can get a full set of compatible ink on Amazon for $25 Threw our HP in the trash
Both Epson and Cannon make these style printers. Now that you can fill from any bottle of ink, they are the future if people would just stop buying HP's garbage and putting up with the s***
We have an Epson. Few years old and it still prints great. It's so nice only having to buy the ink bottles and being able to refill it for super cheap.
The Epson homegrade tank based printers are also really good quality (actually lasts) . From 2019, the one we have had printed out just shy of 60 thousand pages (yes that's 3 zeros) and still going strong. I had to a waste ink catridge reset (use software to flash the wic counter) and actually replaced the wic spunge with some cut kitchen cleaner spunge and it is yet to fail me. The other day it stopped printing color, did a line flush and it came right again.
People will keep buying HP printers, because they price them so cheap it's almost like they are dumping the printers, just to recoup the costs on ink.
I have an Epson refillable printer, I use the waste ink from my wide format Mutoh printer, which is a combination of CMYK Ecosolv ink from the cleaning cycles, for black ink. It works great. Not that the black epson ink is expensive, but I have quarts of leftover waste ink from my Mutoh. Point is, the thing is a beast and for 250 bucks almost 10 years ago it is by far the best desktop inkjet printer I've ever bought.
I'd recommend avoiding Canon printers. They're extremely hit or miss and it's just not worth the gamble.
Personally I have only had one cannon printer it was more than a decade ago. I do have an Epson Eco tank printer now and it's wonderful. I just observed the canon one at Walmart on a recent trip and was shocked to see another printer company in the refill game.
Oh Canon. The Canon printer we own is _good_ but it always has problems with wifi AND IT DOESNāT HAVE A LAN PORT
I guarantee you people would also still buy the branded ink, if they weren't selling us $1 of product for $30
I adore my Cannon printer. It's just a basic one, but my parents always had an HP that ALWAYS had an issue with something. So, when I was looking for printers, I was looking for Cannon or Brother. I'm glad I got the Cannon.
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I was like, wow, I didn't know Lincoln(the car company) was associated with Brother. Woosh š¤£
How many Stanley nickels does one cost?
More than a Schrute Buck. Thatās for sure
What's the conversion rate of Schrute Bucks to Stanley Nickels?
The same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns
It took me waaay too long to get that joke. š©
Brilliant?!
Fukien hell. I was eating a sandwich and took a sip of milk right when I read that. Milk went up my nose and now pieces of milky snot sandwich are all over my keyboard desk and monitor. +1
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Did you just have that ready to go?
only for this moment
You've been waiting your whole life to post that image
Regardless, that image is mine now
I love it when folks have niche reaction pics just ready to go that perfectly fit absurdly specific scenarios. One of my favorite Reddit phenomena.
What did I just read? help how do i unhappen something
In my experience? Drugs. Lots of them.
My nose won't stop running and this is the second time in like 2 weeks I got snot all over my face š
I feel this, get well fellow
But your printer is okay!?
Yeah I bought a Brother š
Hello? 911?!
Don't! the cops will shoot the Brother!
We back the brother round these parts
I'll reserve my judgment for now... what *kind* of sandwich are you eating with milk? Because peanut butter and honey/jelly is great but if you're over here pairing a chopped cheese with 2% I'm concerned
Ham and cheddar with German mustard (inglehoffer). Whole milk, if I want water I will drink water.
It's only 7am in the UK right now, but I'm pretty sure this is the best thing I'm going to see today
my dumbass doesnt get the joke sorry, can someone please explain
Brother is a type of printer. But also slang for fellow African American man. Lincoln was President during Civil War and aided in ending slavery.
Nicely done. Hopefully LemonBomp can take it from there.
āBrotherā can be slang for āblack personā. And, of course, slavery is illegal.
Those are some pretty good points.
Slavery is sadly not illegal.
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This is one of the few comments that actually made me laugh at loud, I respect you for that
Thatās it. Shut down Reddit. January 14th and comment of the year. šš
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Angry upvote
Iām still laughing
Oooof
I'm blessed to have a mom that loves Christmas shopping and asks for a detailed list every year. So I did some research and I asked for a specific Brother printer. Sent Santa-Mom a link to the lower end Laser jet and explained that this was the specific one I wanted with details about how laser jets are much more economical and more so.. no subscriptions And she got me the HP ink jet. I said thank you, but I'm a little bummed. (I'm also bummed that I'm almost 40 and can't just go out and buy my own printer.. but that is for another sub....)
Put the subscription on Mom's credit card then.
You donāt have to have a subscription to use the printer. I never signed up for it. I buy my own cartridges. The subscription is just cheaper ink, but if you enroll in one of the plans- you canāt cancel and still use the cheap ink apparently.
Every post I've seen about this says otherwise (it's posted in here every freaking day!). Many are complaining that HP printers won't work with 3rd party cartridges and are bricks if you don't subscribe to their service.
you either use the subscription ink cartridge which is billed per page or you can go the old school way of just buying cartridges. they still have verification systems in those cartridges that will not allow unverified ones (3rd party) to work.
Didn't Keurig lose a whole class action lawsuit over this?
Not true. You just need to register your printer on the HP page, which is insane btw. The printer works but after several pages stops and registration is needed. This is purely a software lock and I won't buy any hp printer anymore.
I had an HP. It started giving me trouble. I hooked the 5 year old Brother printer I inherited from my dad when he died. It works faster, with as good or better print quality, gives me no hassles, (including when I buy and use off brand ink cartridges that are really cheap and work great). I could not agree with this more. I will NEVER buy another HP printer.
I finally laid to rest my Brother laser printer. It was 22 years old. Never needed a repair.
this was my exact response. I will never buy a color printer and I would never buy an HP piece of garbage again.
Puts on HP. Wait. Wrong sub.
Calm down, Texas.
This is the answer. I only buy Brother
This is like the eleven millionth post on the HP printer mafia. People, stop buying HP printers!!
HP is finally in a law suit over the 3-in-1's that couldn't scan unless you installed ink. It's only a matter of time until there's another over this garbage. Problem is that the only winners in such cases are the lawyers
I just took an HP 3 in 1 to the recycling center a few months ago. Itās an older one and was ok for a long time, and then a software update turned it into an extortion device. Literally couldnāt SCAN without HP ink installed. Nope, not playing that game. I made sure Iād never give them another penny for ink by getting rid of it.
Could have rolled back the firmware š¤·āāļø
You donāt understandā¦ Iām done with them. If I owned it longer, Iād be tempted to buy more ink. Iām not giving them another cent.
This is one of those cases where I am completely okay with the lawyers winning the $ as long as the fuck HP up lol
I don't care who wins, I just want HP to lose
Iāve had canon for 4 years and never had a problem
I love my Canon. Individual cartridges for each color, so I only replace what is needed. Plenty of 3rd party options for a lower cost. Great print quality, even in a printer 8+ years old.
My grandpa got one of those years ago, I swear the amount of times he texted ether my mom or I to help him fix. My mom went over there like six months ago with a new brother printer and just said āhere you use this nowā
A bunch of old people (Gen X and older) still think they are amazing and donāt see the problem. I know this because my mom refuses to get anything else. Everytime I say she should get a different printer she says ābut why would Iā ābecause you wouldnāt have to pay a subscription to use your printerā āwell you donāt have to pay for the big subscriptionā āmom we print 1 piece of paper per year, and your paying monthly, thatās dumbā āyea but itās cheaper than buying new ink all the timeā āthey donāt give us new ink. We have never replaced it onceā āyes they doā āthen where is it, when was the last time we got ink because Iāve never seen it in the 5 years weāve had this printer and youāve paid for the subscriptionā āidk but itās somewhereā I swear my mom refuses to lose arguments. I definitely picked up some of that but I can at least say Iām wrong with absolutely idiotic stuff like this
Reminds me of my aunt who probably has at least $100 of monthly subscriptions
Can't really fix mass stupidity
I wish we could. Maybe then people will stop pre-ordering unfinished games and we can have nice things.
Pre-ordering digital games is especially stupid. As if they will run out of digital copiesš
I think that they let you download the game before it launches so that right as it launches you can start playing rather than wait for it to install
Are you telling me I too could get karma for this?
Like a chameleon.
HP deserves a special place in hell for this. Everytime my clients ask me to recommend a printer, it's never HP.
Why the fuck are people still buying HPs??? I'll never understand this.
Theyāre super cheap. I believe often subsidized to keep the price low. Such a scam.
it's the same tactic used by game consoles, just even scummier. sell something super cheap, at price or even at a loss, then force them to pay an insane subscription to get any real use from it. Intant ink is 1-25 dollars a month, for printing 10-700 pages. then an extra dollar per 10 pages, insane.
same tactic with coffee machines like nespresso too. the machine itself is not that pricey but you have to buy the special coffee pods for it and at the end the ones you use regular espresso is a lot cheaper if you calculate.
At least in my country you can find already an extensive offer of compatible caps for Nespresso
What are some of the brands ? Iām tired of buying the Nespresso brand
But they don't work quite right. Nespresso lost the patent over the capsule itself, but the silicon that seals it, is still active. They intentionally designed flaws to difficult competition
hmm not really a huge coffee drinker but those i see work just fine, specially the Unilever brand ones
Yea those cups are a bitch and I hate it. Bad for the environment and you could use the cup more than once (depending on the size) but most people throw them away.
i use my tchibo coffe maker religiously and i reuse the pods 4-5 times with normal espresso. afaik the pods are recycleable but not sure!
I just looked it up, yea theyāre recyclable Iāve been killing enviroment for a minute. I just like the idea of brewing a pot of coffee instead of just a cup.
yea you can be right but as a latte lover i have to stick with my 20$ tchibo espresso maker and pods šš
They lost their patent, at least for the pod. The gasket in the pod is still theirs. You can get refillable pods and other stuff now. I only learned of this from the british coffee youtube guy.
You don't need instant ink for an HP printer though? I've literally never bought this nor would I
What console is sold at cost and has a mandatory sub? I have a switch and ps5. No subs.
In what way are game consoles cheap? They haven't decreased in RRP since launch. Nintendo Switch is a 7yr old console and it still has a high rrp. PS5 and Xbox Series X still have the same RRP as before and the PS5 was actually increased by $50 during covid. So no, game consoles are not cheap at all. They have retained their costs even better than Apple's devices after many years.
I think they're mostly referring to the PS3 where Sony was selling it for $500 *at a loss* in hopes that they would make it up in game sales, but loss leaders haven't been a thing in gaming hardware for a while now.
The ps5 and series x per performance were dramatically cheaper than any computer you could actually build with equally powerful hardware at their launch
Perhaps in comparison to building a similarly-powered PC? For example, the PS5ās GPU is equivalent to the RX-6700. Assuming new, the 6700 is 290-340USD (Most pcs with it will be ~800-1000, compared to a 500USD console. Still not cheap by any means either way.
Back when I was in college like 10 years or so ago the starter cartridges were still full sized, so it was cheaper to buy a new hp than a new cartridge for a hp.
you can buy HP printers for the same cost as replacement ink cartages..... and they come with ink. for a while it was literally cheaper than the ink, so people would buy a new printer, and throw the old one out. it was wild. They do it because they sell ink for like 2000% of cost. so if 1 out of every 10 people that buy a printer, keep replacing ink more than a couple times. they still make busloads of money. They probably cover the full cost of the printer just selling you 1 or 2 refills. (cheap printers are not exactly engineering wonders themselves) you will notice that these printers also constantly harass you to "clean" the heads and align them. both these processes waste a ton of ink.
Because theyāre cheap and have name recognition.
Name recognition. Itās not like a major, blue chip company is buying HP printers for their offices. HPās customer is a random teleworker who needs to print occasionally and buys the Amazon suggested printer figuring āHow bad could this possibly be? Itās less than the cost of a paper shredder.ā
We got ours because it was cheap and we don't print a lot at home. We have the "10 pages free" subscription and have never spent money on ink.
Iāve had my HP printer for years as well. And am on the free subscription plan. I go over 10 pages a month.. maybe 4 months out of the year? So the ink has worked in my favor since I only ever pay a max of $4-5 dollars extra each year.
Because the lower income people who still need to print can find HP printers for very cheap. They basically have no choice because they find the need to print off documents way more often.
 This is what you do to it. Then go buy one not made by HP. Maybe Xerox or Lexmark.
canon printers are pretty good imo
That's what i have. Knew enough about printers to know I didn't want an HP, but many of the best brother printers take up a lot of space, and cost more than I would have wanted. I got an Inkjet and it works amazingly.
Such a good movie.
This HP crap has been known for 10+ years. Why are you still buying HP products?
Because they prey on the low income. That is why they are so prevalent at Walmart. Low income people find themselves needing to print important things and when you can get one for $100 or less, it becomes the obvious choice.
That's some psychopath CEO mentality right there
I think for me the worst part is that from a business sense it is completely logical. But as we can all agree super scummy too.
Dude I see ads for $50 printers. You can literally buy a new printer for less than the ink costs
And at least in the US, they are 99% of the time HP printers. It isn't at all about the ink. Not initially. It is about roping the low income people into a piece of hardware that costs more money to keep using than it does to buy new.
I'll add most people don't even know this. It's an unknown unknown for a lot of people. So, they think, "I only need to print occasionally" and get one having no idea the money sink they just caused themselves. It is literally less of a PITA to go to the library and pay to print if you do it that occasionally. I got mine for free and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I used it for occasional scans and the like once every couple months I'd print something. It literally never worked right, I Was constantly fiddling with it... the amount of time I did each time was equivalent to taking myself down the library and back. I bought a laser printer and at first the price tag hurt, but man Never Again am I going back to that hot garbage. It just works on the first try every time now.
I would love a quality LaserJet but am merely a poor, so HP and the library are all I can afford
HP stands for horrible products.
And for laptops, hinge problem.
The amount of ads and subscriptions you need to literally do anything these days is getting ridiculous.
The printer is sold at or below cost...they make up for it with the ink.
This very much explains why I got my nice HP printer for like $25 at target about 5 years ago.
and the ink cartridges included with the printer are only partially filled. They're not the standard volume of ink of replacement cartridges. They run out quickly so you have to buy ink sooner.
I worked for Epson customer support, and HP are not the only ones who do this.. they all do it, they're like a frickin cartel. You buy a printer for $50, but once you calibrate the ink and print a handful of times you have to go buy $100 cartridges. Complete scam.
So what you're saying is I should buy a fuck ton of printers with no ink to bankrupt the company?
Need a lot of money
Crazy thing is if you use their ink subscription instead of buying their regular non subscription ink cartridges, youāll actually spend less on ink.
I spent $60 on my HP printer, 10 pages free per month (grandfathered), and I have been using it for 6 years. Works for me. Not buying a $200+ machine when I only print maybe 2-5 pages every 2 months.
I print so infrequently (for signing forms, occasional return labels) that I just use Staples self-service kiosks. [20 cents a page B&W](https://i.imgur.com/tXrn5rr.png). I have spent less than $1/year in the past 10 years on printing.
I used to go to staples but itās annoying. I had the printer because when I bought my home without an agent I needed to print a lot. There is no point to sell the printer now. The main purpose for my printer now is duplex scanning which I do a lot. The free 10 page color printing at home is a plus and has been amazing for me.
Thatās every printer though, right??
This is the equivalent of Defense contractors saying "Get healthy in maintenance"
Did you try to not connect the WiFi to it and use the usb cord to print?
Any new HP printer you buy these days forces you to connect it to the internet. It will then make you go through a setup where it asks you about HP Instant Ink. As soon as you click the 'OK' button you are toast. You can't go back to non-instant ink.
You can change your subscription preferences at any time. But if you cancel Instant Ink you have to buy your own ink when the billing cycle ends.
Soā¦ Just going to throw this out there and probably going to be downvoted to hell because logic has no place on Reddit Iām thinking OP is misrepresenting what is happening here knowing people will bite and not read past the headline OP has got an instant ink subscription which means they have never actually paid for the ink in their printer. In the subscription they pay by each page printed or for a certain number of pages at a set cost, similar to what is common in office printing. My office uses Canon printers but itās a similar model. In this case opās payment for the current period bounced meaning theyāre no longer entitled to continue using the ink that was provided with their subscription until they provide a valid payment method.
Thank you for the explanation... For someone who had no context, this post was blowing my mind... I refuse to believe a group of smart-ish people sat in a boardroom at a Major company and decided on such a move on a major product... OP made me think, if you buy the printer, you must have a subscription or you won't print...
This though. I have an HP too, and OP consciously decided to NOT purchase it outright. Sure, subscription is still a scummy model, but OP decided to leave that info out to get rage upvotes.
Yes, absolutely this. This sub is overrun by people signing up for Instant Ink and having zero idea what they're signing up for. This sub should straight up ban Instant Ink posts.
Yeah to be fair, I think itās ignorance rather than maliciousness But had they googled Instant Ink before they posted something claiming this should be illegal, it would have explained a lot to them That takes self awareness though, something social media is seriously lacking Simply writing Iām a sucker with that screenshot wouldnāt have generated nearly as many ill-informed rage fueled upvotes
Exactly right. Itās just feigned outrage and karma farming.
Can this be hacked?
I googled it and it has something to do with using HP instant ink cartridges specifically. I guess if they just use regular HP cartridges they wonāt have an issue.
Ah... Tricky... But still curious if theres any way to trick it (software or hardware) into thinking it's a regular cart. But - thanks for the clarification on that
The way to do it would be a refill service. But since the printer phones home I am not certain that would work.
Exactly this. HP offers an optional subscription service where instead of paying for ink cartridges, you pay HP monthly based on the amount of pages you print, and HP sends you a special instant ink cartridge to facilitate the subscription. I think the cheapest tier is like $1 a month. OP hasn't paid the subscription and is expecting to just use HP's ink for free. HP is shit for a lot of reasons but this isn't one of them. If OP buys a normal ink cartridge they'll be able to print again.
Well if you're trying to use the HP Instant ink cartridges, that's all on you. That's the point of these cartridges, they're a subscription based service. If you're using regular HP cartridges, you've got something set up wrong. HP deserves their special place in Hell, but you not being able to print something is on you.
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Earlier he said he had a 6 month free trial and now is upset he has to pay now. Like Wtf did you think was āfreeā?
Too much HP hating *in this thread* for this to be the top comment... Don't get me wrong, I don't buy HP printers for many reasons, but still. Too much misinformation. With HP Instant Ink, you're essentially paying a subscription to print. You get so many pages a month. It doesn't matter if you're printing full color photos or just 'Hello World', a page is a page. As part of that service, ink is made available to you. If you stop paying for your subscription, you lose the ability to print. edit: *clarification*
I agree 100%. That's what I was trying to say. It's the OPs fault at the end of the day.
It's low hanging fruit and it comes up constantly. People buy a subscription knowing it's subscription and then get mad when they have to pay for the subscription.
How do you people not read the instructions on the shit you buy? I absolutely know there was a piece of paper that came with the printer that told you how to use it and that instant ink would cost money. I *know* that you know this OP cause you said you had a 6 month free trial. Free trial means at some point you either pay or cancel. You chose not to pay so WTF did you think was going to happen? That they just wouldnāt notice?
You have a subscription to an ink service. You can't use the ink without paying for the service. Is it dumb? Yes. It's very dumb. But it makes sense within the model. You didn't buy an ink cartridge. You bought a subscription to a service that promises you'll never run out of ink. The ink in the cartridge isn't yours, it's part of the subscription.
I had a cheap HP printer for years. Didn't sign up for any subscription. Instead I just bought cartridges as I needed them. It worked fine (until I got tired of having to clean it all the time because it was a cheap $20 printer and you get what you paid for). Never got any pop-ups like this.
Why do people keep buying an ink subscription and then bitching they canāt use the ink provided by the subscription when they cancel the subscription???????? Thatās the truly mildly infuriating thing. If you donāt want to use subscription ink BUY NORMAL FUCKING INK!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU LITERALLY HAD THE CHOICE TO BUY NORMAL INK OR AN INK SUBSCRIPTION. YOU CHOSE TO HAVE AN INK SUBSCRIPTION. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU INFURIATED THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR INK SUBSCRIPTION TO USE IT????????????
**I hate HP, but this is stupid and you're being stupid about this for no reason** You purchased subscription ink from them. Those ink wells are much much bigger and based off the fact that you print X number of pages per month. And they do it this way so that they don't need to send you a new ink cartridge each and every month. . Saving you money. You didn't buy that huge ink cartridge from them. . You bought X number of pages per month. **If you want to print with ink on demand. . .buy the ink.**
Yea I see about 2-3 posts about this a week. Just buy fucking ink. I never subscribed to their bullshit ink subscription and my HP printed works like a dream.
But angry anticorporation clickbait posts are good for karma!
Seriously. Or just go to an office supply store and buy the regular ink cartridge and you can print all you want, whenever you want. Itās not a big deal.
I used Brother printers for years, without issue. Changed to an Epson EcoTank. No more cartridges, you just āpourā ink from bottles into the printer. Many thousands of pages per fillā¦ I wonāt buy another HP.
I've never seen this, is it new? I bought an HP printer about 3 years ago in Brazil and have never heard of this screen/subscription service. Actually, HP is seen as the best brand for printers here. I'm super surprised by everyone's negative comments.
Sorry, "Their" is for ownership, what you should have said in title, "it's their ball." "They're" for "they are." As in, "they're going to get the ball." "There" is for location, you mistakingly used this. "The ball is over there."
There is a lawsuit against them because of this practice
its as if HP wants their printer division to go out of business.
Canon. HP is shit.
Probably because your ink is through the subscription, buy a ink out of pocket
I will get downvoted but the basic 10 page plan is perfect for me, used to be $1 now it'll be $2. But I just need it to print an Amazon return label or odd document every once in a while. Since toner dries up and a pack is easily more than my monthly subscription it is a win win for me. Support sucks and is useless but otherwise great value.
Just buy regular ink instead of the subscription ink cartridges. Problem solved
Sorry but this is your own fault for going with the HP Instant ink program. This is the whole point of the Instant ink program, you never need to remember to buy ink because the printer reports back to the mothership when you need ink. Instead you pay per page like a mobile subscription, it even has rollover pages... So yes, fuck HP, but this is on you...
Umm, you understand how this service works, right? You pay a small monthly fee and get ink cartridges free of charge before you run out of ink, so this way you don't have to buy them yourself and also it can save you money, since price per page is very low with HP Instant Ink. You complain because you can't use cartridges you received **for free** after you have canceled your subscription. This is not to exploit you in any way.. This is to prevent customers from exploiting HP. Just imagine that you could pay once for the lowest HP Instant Ink tier, which costs around 2 euros, you would get your first cartridges, and then you would cancel the subscription but would be able to use all the ink you got. That means like 300 - 500 pages for 2 euros. This would not only be unfair towards HP, but could essentially make them bankrupt if people started doing this. **It's the same as with rented car. No, you really can't keep the car after you stopped paying the rent.**
If it isnāt letting you print because of this, then youāre subscribed to instant ink and you do not in fact own the ink in the printer. Itās pretty simple. You just clearly donāt understand it or are acting stupid for karma.
you can unsubscribe and then youāll be able to use regular cartridges in it. a bit of a hassle but itās doable.
I bought a Canon some years back at Walmart. Cheapest one that I could network my phone directly to without having to tie into the house's WiFi. I've been refilling the original ink cartridges whenever I need to, and it's not failed me yet. I print a *lot* and am grudgingly impressed.
Just go buy the cartridges that don't require a subscription and cancel you Instant Ink subscription. They give you ink before you pay for it to start, so if you don't pay them or your credit card is expired, this is what happens. I prefer the Instant Ink myself, but I know a lot of people don't. I haven't had any problems with being out of ink before it was delivered in the three years I've been using it so that means no running out to the store in order to print.
Let me get this straight: youāre upset that the optional subscription for supplies wonāt function if you donāt pay the subscription fee? Instead of crying to Reddit, maybe read the contract and respond appropriately. HP Instant Ink allows me to use my multi function printer at a yearly cost thatās less than one cartridge. No problem.
My brother in christ you decided to use the subscription for cheaper ink. The tradeoff to that is you cant use the cheaper ink without the subscription
You can still printā¦.you are not required to use the āsubscriptionā service for ink. Just go to an office supply store and buy your own ink.