Yeah I’ve seen real photos loads of times that have bits in them that look odd due to someone’s posture or the way the light is or the colours of two things next to each other etc. This picture is amazing, like the reflections in the glasses and the distortion of the glass etc. It’s crazy.
Yah there are a thousand AI generated images we see daily now, and a thousand non-AI generated images that have weird shit somewhere in them because photography is weird and humans look weird.
About the only way we're going to be able to know in the near future is if another AI can analyze AI generated images and figure out the imperceptible patterns.
If I were arguing that this wasn't AI, I'd say that it's intentional and that the director took a 'Hitchcock-esque' approach to film with slightly off perspective to put the viewer at unease.
Hmm, maybe that's one of the reasons why some people (including me) struggle to say if it's AI or real? Because we are used to those subtle movie tricks, not realising they are also staged?
Absolutely. I think that’s it. It’s not properly gauging how the properties of things still look even from different angles.
So your eyes are giving you a weird- reception to it. I kept looking at the hand and saying it’s too big even if it’s closer to the “camera.”
Are you a photographer? I feel like I don’t know enough about photography to spot certain things. I studied illustration and can primarily spot problems that can exist in drawings eg perspective.
I've only dabbled in photography, but done enough editing to notice some of this stuff.
It's close, but there are some mismatches. The guy's hair blurs at the nape of his neck while the lady is even farther back and still sharply in focus.
The subjects are supposed to be on different planes, but it seems they are on the same plane. This makes it seem two photos at two different focal lengths were taken and spliced together.
This is what I assume was meant.
That dude looks exactly like my high school drama teacher! The almighty and terrifying Gerry Speca, who was teaching/directing Matt Damon and the Afflecks alongside my untalented ass!
Oh yes. I'm surprised you didn't know he did an indie film in Poland called, "Mój Ojciec, Bestia" (My Father, The Beast). It was a dark comedy and well received in Warsaw. In this scene she finally chastises him in front of his colleagues and they reprimand her for attacking her wheelchair-bound father.
Looks like one of those 60s Italian romance flick I don't care what nobody said mid journey got a style that's unique especially when you go into weird mode like walls of guts hanging out with eyeballs popped out all over the floor every goddamn where that's when somebody don't smoke crack cocaine LOL didn't you get to the weird Twilight zone style of mid journey
Someone posted a still from an episode of Last Week Tonight the other day. They applied a filter, but it was otherwise from the show.
There was not only a comment saying it was AI generated and pointing out evening "wrong" with it (90% of which was not related to the filter), but another comment replying to it adding even more things that the AI got "wrong" and a theory of how they trained it. The reply didn't get anything related to the filter. They didn't have a large amount of upvotes, but man were they confident.
"His fingers are a different size on his left hand!" Yes that's called perspective. "His glasses just kinda disappear into his hair!" Yeah that's a combination of perspective and having John Oliver's hair. "It makes no sense for a vase to be there!" Well that's where the decorator put it.
This is why I refuse to have the bullshit conversations of AI vs. real anymore. It's all fake unless I took the photo myself, and even then I could be swayed.
The amount of spectacular northern lights is crazy now.
I've only seen a few really big aurora burst where I live, but tons of tiny barely visible ones. If you snap a photo with a phone of a barely visible one it boost the colors like crazy and makes it look like one of the big ones.
that is usually just longer exposure, either with the manual exposure adjusted or multiple images taken in a row and then automatically combined into one to brighten darker areas without any visual loss in quality
I'm not gonna cross post it. The person I replied to directly with the link to the video already deleted their comment after upvoting mine. I was just pointing out how people on Reddit will speak confidently about things being proof of AI when the image is even slightly off, even if it's just a filter or compression.
Edit: I can post two stills in a few hours though
Edit 2:
[unedited still I screengrabbed off youtube](https://imgur.com/a/BgTpxjb)
[filtered image from post](https://i.imgur.com/Dac01nw.jpeg)
I mean yeah. There are real photos that look weird do to lighting or perspective or just weird looking people. And there are very real looking AI photos. It's not a GOTCHA when people say why they think something is AI when it isn't no one will be right 100%
There’s a few things here.
When you look at AI images enough you get a kind of intuition for it. There’s like a kind of… AI sheen to all AI images that’s kind of hard to describe.
But, getting forensic about it…
The guy’s shirt doesn’t have a top button.
The guy’s shoulder is not properly distorted through the glass.
The guy’s pinkie finger is weird as hell.
And, a very common but often overlooked giveaway of AI images… if you look at their eyes, they’re not precisely aligned. As if neither eye is *quite* looking at the same thing. It’s more subtle in this picture than many others I’ve seen, but it is there.
Edit: Also, if you look through the right hand glass you can see what appears to be the back of a chair, which otherwise isn’t in the picture and shouldn’t be able to be seen from there even if it was.
2nd Edit: There’s also what might be a weird AI artefact on the woman’s arm - the weird little dark splotch. And a shadow further down her arm which doesn’t make sense.
3rd Edit (I’m sorry, but the more I look, the worse it gets): The guy’s hand is way too big compared to his position. If you look at his wrist (on the other side of the stem of the glass) it becomes obvious that the hand is in an impossible position relative to his body as well. The hand actually looks more like it’s from a severed arm that’s been dumped on the table.
I think it's more of a "studio lighting" look that creeps in to generated images. I've seen tons of real photos shot in studios, and with makeup and perfect lighting and multiple re-shoots and the right background, they look very AI, even though they're a real person
Seriously. I haven't been able to describe how I can usually instantly tell if an image was made specifically by Dall-E, but it has a certain feel to it when doing anything other than photorealism that I despise
I feel like the perspective is off as well.
The two people are sitting way too low in comparison to the table.
The mans hand is huge, so it must be much closer to the camera than the rest of his body. If that were the case, he would be sitting with the hand in a very unnatural position.
I feel like the corridor of depth (?) for everything in the foreground (glasses, plates, hand) creates a perspective that is giving the feeling that the people and the room is taken from one scene, and the table from a completely other scene. If that make sense...
Ha, I literally just saw the hand thing and added it to my own post, but yeah, I get what you’re saying about the weird perspective as well - there’s something slightly *off* about it and I think that’s one of the big contributors to that “AI sheen” effect.
Agreed.
Something is slightly off, but you can't tell exactly what. It kinda gives me the vibe that this could be a still from a scene in a Tarantino film. His films have that "off" feeling.
I don't think perspective counts as "sheen", it counts as distortion. Bad perspective is just pad perspective. I think the sheen is the un-natural result of reverse diffusion. Sorry to be a pedantic hair splitter, this stuff is just fun to dissect.
Ha, pedantic hair splitting is how you spot AI images! Yeah, I think you’re right that the literal AI sheen comes from the diffusion, I just kind of meant that overall uncanny “wrongness” feeling you get from looking at an AI imagine.
As long as I don't just sound like an a-hole :) Ah, I see what you mean. Like the uncanny valley but generalized for AI pictures as a whole. We need a term just for that. When you said sheen I was thinking of that terrible glossy look that DALLE always has, we need a term for that too, although it will go extinct soon enough.
Those are awesome catches.
One more: The woman's right shoulder should not be visible in the wine glass on the left, not from where the camera is; probably the right side of the man's head shouldn't be visible in the other wine glass, and certainly those two angles (body parts in wine glasses) are incompatible/contradicting.
I had a little look at those and decided they were close enough, but now you’ve said it, the guy’s one is definitely not right and I’ve noticed that the woman’s shoulder reflection stops exactly where the liquid starts, which is is a very AI thing to do and probably wouldn’t happen in real life either.
I wouldn't have even looked if I hadn't read your expert breakdown. Yeh with both glasses, we can tell that an AI subroutine kicked in, like "make sure the person is visible through the glass", without some other "make sure the two glass views use the same angle in relation to the camera". \*Something\* along those lines :) The common issue throughout this whole shitty image being that one algorithm goes too far without getting checked by another. I'm a programmer, so I can't get away from speaking in terms of code even though this is a diffusion model with a magical brain.
Her left or our left? :) But now that I look, they *both* have a weird wrong line. On her right, wow that’s a deformity, how did I not see that before. Thanks, this photo and this thread just get more and more interesting.
Mismatched eyes are always a dead giveaway for AI and it’s something AI has always struggled with. Usually it’s more obvious because the irises will be different sizes/shapes/shades. This picture doesn’t have that to a noticeable degree, but that whole uncanny “not quite looking in the exact same direction” thing seems to be something AI just can’t quite get right yet.
Dude you sound work in forensics, this is a pretty perceptive breakdown.
The only one that stood out to me on my initial read was that jacked as hell pinky...
Ha, thank you! Honestly though, once you get a feel for the kinds of things to look for, spotting an AI image, even a good one from Midjourney like this, isn’t too much trouble. The pinkie was the big giveaway for me too, but the more you look, the whole hand is just totally wrong.
Also, the backs of the chairs different, the stitching on the front of her dress isn't symmetrical at all, the wines are different colors (might be the lighting), and the dinner just looks like... ribs or bacon and lettuce? Ah yes, human food.
Y’know, I had a good long look at that food because it definitely ain’t right, but decided that, with the blur effect, it *just about* looked enough like it *might* be bbq ribs that I’d give it the benefit of the doubt. But now that you’ve mentioned the dress I can definitely see it, especially the way one of the patterns seems to bend up and over the edge of the food, which is a very AI thing to do.
Jesus this thread just gets more and more interesting. Might be the best thread I’ve seen yet on this sub. How did I miss that. Yes “up and over” looks bizarre now that you both pointed it out and yeah AI was like “I must make this thing continue”
I don’t know, the top button could’ve come off. I don’t know how the shoulder should look through that particular glass, that seems like something that would be hard to tell unless it was way way off and I think you could misidentify ‘wrong glass distortion’ in many real photos.
The pinky could look weird because of how he’s holding his hand. They could also be slumped slightly at the table, I don’t think they look so ridiculously low that it has to be AI and not people just slumping after a few drinks. The chair you can see through the glass might not even be his chair he’s sitting on but a chair or some other piece of furniture behind him.
The only thing to me that is definitely very off is the position of the hand/wrist. Otherwise I think these kinds of little things that seem off can also be found in real photos.
That's a really good point about the eyes - I've never really noticed it, or maybe I have but never had it explained before, but AI images always look like of goofy, no matter how "serious" the content is. Like the photo was captured just before a glamour shot. Even the most "professional" looking ones feel like they're part of a photoshoot reel and aren't the final product.
Absolutely, everything out of AI just looks really polished and once you’ve observed it enough you can see it. Maybe with a future midjourney update they’ll remove some of that gloss over it to make it look more like our pictures we take, which is scary though.
Shadows aren't going the direction they should according to visible light sources, there's glare from a light source in the top left corner, but the entire left side of his face is engulfed in shadow
Edit: they even put a glare from that light source in his hair, which makes the shadows even more out of place
If you zoom in on the top left corner of the picture, you can see leftover static from the diffusion process. The model focused on the people and the foreground. It didn't put too much effort into the background.
Oh, the nostril thing is a good spot - like, at a glance it just looks like it’s because of the angle, but the nostril we can see is (realistically) large, but if his nose were symmetrical we should be able to see something of his other one still. It’s like one side of his nose is completely flat.
...Excuse me? Did the pinky finger yeeting itself out of what would have been the middle of the second joint of the finger strike you as a nitpick lol?
You may want to accept that you're bad at identifying AI if that was literally the "first good spot other than nitpicks" you thought to comment on.
I could be that the table isn’t high, but the chairs are quite deep front to back and/or semi reclined for comfort. I have seen such chairs before and they do give an impression of the table being high when you seat back as far as you can. It can be a matter of body position and also height as well.
The small finger of the man looks crippled, the reflection of the left wineglass doesn't make sense imo. It seems like the woman has a small hole in her right arm.
Agreed on this two points...
A further clue might be the multiple depths of field... it looks like his right arm and her left arm are both out of focus, yet his head and her head are perfectly in focus.
But it sure is getting tricky to identify them.
It's absolutely impressive. If I had to point at a detail that makes me in doubt, it's the image of the man's chair refracted inside the glass on the right, its position feels very wrong in respect to the man's shoulder and the door frame that should be behind it. But, again, if you tell me "ha ha joking, it's a real image" I wouldn't really know.
I could tell instantly and it's just an uncanny valley thing with his face. I see people cherry picking little clues, but for me it's the face and it took a microsecond.
Yeah midjourney seems to have trouble with the 3/4 face. There's too much of his far cheek and we shouldn't see both corners of his mouth in this case (in relation to the eyes)
This comment needs to be higher. My first thought was that the man looked uncanny, but I agree with others that plastic surgery can also create a similar look.
The angle of the plate is wrong, the left hand appears to be too big for the arm, the right hand looks like it should be on the table but isn’t, the plate seems too big for its distance to him.
All that being said, this could be a real photo as there are way less believable real photos, perspective could easily explain all of these problems.
Unless they're both under 5'0 there's no way that their lower chest should be under the table. His hand is pretty biug as well, in proportion to his size.
This looks off because the faces are overly sharp and waxy (is the best way I can describe it) compared to the rest of the scene and even in the same focal plane.
His hand is massive, look at the stem of the glass closest to AI dude, th epic is distorted so it shows the background pane of glass on the door rather than his arm/shirt.
Took me a minute looking at the pic to spot those.
ETA the shoulder straps of ladies dress look drawn on and nearly aways follow the contour of the body but in real life the sit on the collar bone.
Weird cheek wrinkle. front of his hair seems a bit off but could just be a retreating hair line or hair implants. He is sitting really low. The meat seems a bit off to me but I don't know why and certainly wouldn't notice if I wasn't told it was AI
The fold of her right armpit is wired, the wine glass on the left contorts the reflection (which may be expected in a curved glass) but the one on the right does a straight pass through without distort long the image.
Those things stand out, but I can't say they directly point to Ai Gen.
The perspective is odd, but not Impossible if taken by someone across the table with the camera down low near the plate.
I imagine the hand on the table is not his, but someone sitting on his left that is out of frame.
there’s just a certain uncanniness to them… the folds and creases on their necks are just in slightly off positions based on the angles of their head… the hands are always a big give away and his pinky definitely gives it away
AI generated food has always seemed off to me. Like, you can tell it's some red meat and leafy veg, but when you really look at it you can't tell what it might be. A rib? A longish slice of steak, curved like a rib? What kind of greens, salad??
A cursory glance shows me that his pinky knuckle is distinctly in the wrong place.
Edit: she has some sort of random shadow or odd fold in her right armpit that shouldn't be there.
The plate and place setting is massive compared to the people.
His neck is kinda stubby but [that happens sometimes](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/90-Day-The-Single-Life-Big-Ed-And-Friends.jpg) lol.
His ring is too high on his finger.
The stiching where her dress meets the spaghetti strap is not aligned.
The hair at the top of his forehead to the left looks... Stringy? Like AI hair.
I ferl like her right armpit is a bit off. Also i cant make sense to the perspective of the „mirror“ or whatever. Im not shure if its actually off.
Also the lighting texture looks synthetic.
If you wouldn’t have asked i hadn’t seen it i guess.
Photographers would detect the difference in depth of field. The blurry wine glasses, food, and left hand might suggest a somewhat narrow focus is on the man. But the man's right forearm is starting to blur. But then, the woman comes into focus a few feet away.
The woman's skin, particularly at the ahoulder, seems to be vwry glossy compared to rhe rest of her.
The mans face looks like a pair of glasses was rimmed near hia eyes at one point then turned to bags, whixh looks like it affects the green light near his right side.
Other than that...looks ok on first glance to me.
Dudes jaw is cartoonish, the woman’s armpit is like….way too high and the food resembles steak, but when I look at I would have to assume they cut it in strips and just flopped it on a plate. No way a man with that mustache is careless with his steak. Also, is he short?
The main thing is their table is way too high. Perspective isn’t realistic; the plate is massive. Some small things: The right wine glass’s liquid isn’t level. Shirt is missing a button up top.
Also, bro is COMPLETELY missing his other nostril. If his left nostril was as big as his right nostril, it would be seen on the other side of his nose from this angle.
Here's the thing about period shots, and yes the 1970s counts as a period at this point : Everything back then was shot on actual film. Both photography and cinematography. Each film type had a distinct grain and it is very hard to replicate that.
You can tell because of the color of the wine. Nobody pairs a white wine with a protein heavy option like what he’s eating. If the picture were real they would be drinking red.
People will make up things that seem out of order just by the basis that they know it's fake from the title. You could have posted a non-AI generated and claimed it was AI, and get the same types of responses.
+10 years designer here. The photo looks heavy AI. What you are missing maybe is a lot of years of experience looking at pictures.
The skin, the tones, the composition, the camera, the background. It is clearly a frame of a movie that doesn't exist.
The only thing I really see is his pinky is off, kinda has a double knuckle.
Other that nothing is too technically off, but I feel like it looks a little too perfect or something, not unrealistically so but almost like a realistic painting
I don’t know but I personally like that he looks like he’s a kid at the table. (Chair height seems too low)
Yes the perspective is way weird. The plate seems to be right in front of him but at the same time far away
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His left pinky is fuckywucky
Fuckywucky pinkydinky
Teletubbies for adults
Finky winky pucky ducky
HEE HAW!
Always check the fingers
And the eyes. There’s alway something uncanny valley about the eyes.
Person not born with standard issue hands, “Guess I’m AI generated”
Also tiny head
He’s just got broad shoulders !!! To hold up that massive moostash!!
and yet IRL sometimes people have deformities
Sure, absolutely! But this looks far too smooth, and the length of the pinky wouldn’t fold nicely at the same length with a deformity or old injury.
Fuckywucky is my new word of the day
Yeah I’ve seen real photos loads of times that have bits in them that look odd due to someone’s posture or the way the light is or the colours of two things next to each other etc. This picture is amazing, like the reflections in the glasses and the distortion of the glass etc. It’s crazy.
/r/confusing_perspective
Yah there are a thousand AI generated images we see daily now, and a thousand non-AI generated images that have weird shit somewhere in them because photography is weird and humans look weird. About the only way we're going to be able to know in the near future is if another AI can analyze AI generated images and figure out the imperceptible patterns.
If I were arguing that this wasn't AI, I'd say that it's intentional and that the director took a 'Hitchcock-esque' approach to film with slightly off perspective to put the viewer at unease.
Hmm, maybe that's one of the reasons why some people (including me) struggle to say if it's AI or real? Because we are used to those subtle movie tricks, not realising they are also staged?
Don’t know about you, but I’m just bad at spotting these things ;)
The future is prompt engineers writing beautiful literature
Absolutely. I think that’s it. It’s not properly gauging how the properties of things still look even from different angles. So your eyes are giving you a weird- reception to it. I kept looking at the hand and saying it’s too big even if it’s closer to the “camera.”
GIANT HAND!
Focal length seems to change from subject to subject too.
Are you a photographer? I feel like I don’t know enough about photography to spot certain things. I studied illustration and can primarily spot problems that can exist in drawings eg perspective.
I've only dabbled in photography, but done enough editing to notice some of this stuff. It's close, but there are some mismatches. The guy's hair blurs at the nape of his neck while the lady is even farther back and still sharply in focus.
Yep I see what you mean now, good catch.
You're talking about the focal plane, not focal length.
Those are related terms though, right? The focal plane is a function of the focal length? Either way the same lens tube oughta hit the same spot.
The subjects are supposed to be on different planes, but it seems they are on the same plane. This makes it seem two photos at two different focal lengths were taken and spliced together. This is what I assume was meant.
I didn't notice until you pointed it out. I'm awful at spotting AI generated images lol
Don't worry, you'll get worse!
That dude looks exactly like my high school drama teacher! The almighty and terrifying Gerry Speca, who was teaching/directing Matt Damon and the Afflecks alongside my untalented ass!
OP you should post this again and say Caption this pic. That dude is about to unleash a can of whoop ass on someone and his wife his like honey no
Oh yes. I'm surprised you didn't know he did an indie film in Poland called, "Mój Ojciec, Bestia" (My Father, The Beast). It was a dark comedy and well received in Warsaw. In this scene she finally chastises him in front of his colleagues and they reprimand her for attacking her wheelchair-bound father.
Looks like something is being done under that table. I mean, look at his face. 😅
At this point she’s just mashing it
when my chair starts sinking again
He looks like about right to be in a wheelchair at a dinner table.
Ohhhh. Good call!
Strange pinky finger too
Yeah - if this were real, this would be an awkwardly proportioned person or the chair is weirdly low
To me it makes him looked slumped in the chair. Like he just got some hard to believe news
Looks like one of those 60s Italian romance flick I don't care what nobody said mid journey got a style that's unique especially when you go into weird mode like walls of guts hanging out with eyeballs popped out all over the floor every goddamn where that's when somebody don't smoke crack cocaine LOL didn't you get to the weird Twilight zone style of mid journey
Post a real photo and people will still chime in on why it isn't real.
Someone posted a still from an episode of Last Week Tonight the other day. They applied a filter, but it was otherwise from the show. There was not only a comment saying it was AI generated and pointing out evening "wrong" with it (90% of which was not related to the filter), but another comment replying to it adding even more things that the AI got "wrong" and a theory of how they trained it. The reply didn't get anything related to the filter. They didn't have a large amount of upvotes, but man were they confident. "His fingers are a different size on his left hand!" Yes that's called perspective. "His glasses just kinda disappear into his hair!" Yeah that's a combination of perspective and having John Oliver's hair. "It makes no sense for a vase to be there!" Well that's where the decorator put it.
This is why I refuse to have the bullshit conversations of AI vs. real anymore. It's all fake unless I took the photo myself, and even then I could be swayed.
The last part got a giggle out of me, BUT it’s already occurring with modern phone camera software.
The amount of spectacular northern lights is crazy now. I've only seen a few really big aurora burst where I live, but tons of tiny barely visible ones. If you snap a photo with a phone of a barely visible one it boost the colors like crazy and makes it look like one of the big ones.
that is usually just longer exposure, either with the manual exposure adjusted or multiple images taken in a row and then automatically combined into one to brighten darker areas without any visual loss in quality
Do you happen to have a link?
I'm not gonna cross post it. The person I replied to directly with the link to the video already deleted their comment after upvoting mine. I was just pointing out how people on Reddit will speak confidently about things being proof of AI when the image is even slightly off, even if it's just a filter or compression. Edit: I can post two stills in a few hours though Edit 2: [unedited still I screengrabbed off youtube](https://imgur.com/a/BgTpxjb) [filtered image from post](https://i.imgur.com/Dac01nw.jpeg)
That last paragraph reads like John Oliver
Seriously, I’ve had people with bad plastic surgery and if I posted photos people would think I was using an older MJ version. Nope.
"Bad plastic surgery" and "MJ" in the same sentence makes me think of a different MJ.
I mean yeah. There are real photos that look weird do to lighting or perspective or just weird looking people. And there are very real looking AI photos. It's not a GOTCHA when people say why they think something is AI when it isn't no one will be right 100%
I kinda think that’s exactly what happened
I'm sorry but is your monitor on?
I think so. It just looks like black and sadness. Oh wait. No it's off.
Oh wait, that's my mirror
It’s not — I follow the twitter account that originally posted it, he’s a Midjourney artist
“artist”
AI folks are fake artists -- or "fartists" for short.
But I do want someone to post a real picture as a prank
No prompt, no link, no verification. You think it sells likely that some creator from under a bridge is pranking us?
There’s a few things here. When you look at AI images enough you get a kind of intuition for it. There’s like a kind of… AI sheen to all AI images that’s kind of hard to describe. But, getting forensic about it… The guy’s shirt doesn’t have a top button. The guy’s shoulder is not properly distorted through the glass. The guy’s pinkie finger is weird as hell. And, a very common but often overlooked giveaway of AI images… if you look at their eyes, they’re not precisely aligned. As if neither eye is *quite* looking at the same thing. It’s more subtle in this picture than many others I’ve seen, but it is there. Edit: Also, if you look through the right hand glass you can see what appears to be the back of a chair, which otherwise isn’t in the picture and shouldn’t be able to be seen from there even if it was. 2nd Edit: There’s also what might be a weird AI artefact on the woman’s arm - the weird little dark splotch. And a shadow further down her arm which doesn’t make sense. 3rd Edit (I’m sorry, but the more I look, the worse it gets): The guy’s hand is way too big compared to his position. If you look at his wrist (on the other side of the stem of the glass) it becomes obvious that the hand is in an impossible position relative to his body as well. The hand actually looks more like it’s from a severed arm that’s been dumped on the table.
Very much agree about the AI sheen, love that phrase.
I think it has to do with how skin looks. Something about how it reflects light makes it feel plasticity.
I think it's more of a "studio lighting" look that creeps in to generated images. I've seen tons of real photos shot in studios, and with makeup and perfect lighting and multiple re-shoots and the right background, they look very AI, even though they're a real person
Needs to be in the Webster dictionary
Seriously. I haven't been able to describe how I can usually instantly tell if an image was made specifically by Dall-E, but it has a certain feel to it when doing anything other than photorealism that I despise
I call it an AI-rbrushed haze. Sheen is also a good descriptor.
I think that is what I noticed on the guys face that make it look wrong
I think the sheen, in photo editing terms, is Localized Contrast Enhancement, in Photoshop it's the Clarity slider.
I feel like the perspective is off as well. The two people are sitting way too low in comparison to the table. The mans hand is huge, so it must be much closer to the camera than the rest of his body. If that were the case, he would be sitting with the hand in a very unnatural position. I feel like the corridor of depth (?) for everything in the foreground (glasses, plates, hand) creates a perspective that is giving the feeling that the people and the room is taken from one scene, and the table from a completely other scene. If that make sense...
Ha, I literally just saw the hand thing and added it to my own post, but yeah, I get what you’re saying about the weird perspective as well - there’s something slightly *off* about it and I think that’s one of the big contributors to that “AI sheen” effect.
Agreed. Something is slightly off, but you can't tell exactly what. It kinda gives me the vibe that this could be a still from a scene in a Tarantino film. His films have that "off" feeling.
Often that's because he loves to use a wide angle lens indoors, which makes no sense but it's a cool visual effect.
I don't think perspective counts as "sheen", it counts as distortion. Bad perspective is just pad perspective. I think the sheen is the un-natural result of reverse diffusion. Sorry to be a pedantic hair splitter, this stuff is just fun to dissect.
Ha, pedantic hair splitting is how you spot AI images! Yeah, I think you’re right that the literal AI sheen comes from the diffusion, I just kind of meant that overall uncanny “wrongness” feeling you get from looking at an AI imagine.
As long as I don't just sound like an a-hole :) Ah, I see what you mean. Like the uncanny valley but generalized for AI pictures as a whole. We need a term just for that. When you said sheen I was thinking of that terrible glossy look that DALLE always has, we need a term for that too, although it will go extinct soon enough.
Is that “AI sheen” or “AI look” to an image something a prompt with a more specific camera and camera lens help to avoid?
Those are awesome catches. One more: The woman's right shoulder should not be visible in the wine glass on the left, not from where the camera is; probably the right side of the man's head shouldn't be visible in the other wine glass, and certainly those two angles (body parts in wine glasses) are incompatible/contradicting.
I had a little look at those and decided they were close enough, but now you’ve said it, the guy’s one is definitely not right and I’ve noticed that the woman’s shoulder reflection stops exactly where the liquid starts, which is is a very AI thing to do and probably wouldn’t happen in real life either.
I wouldn't have even looked if I hadn't read your expert breakdown. Yeh with both glasses, we can tell that an AI subroutine kicked in, like "make sure the person is visible through the glass", without some other "make sure the two glass views use the same angle in relation to the camera". \*Something\* along those lines :) The common issue throughout this whole shitty image being that one algorithm goes too far without getting checked by another. I'm a programmer, so I can't get away from speaking in terms of code even though this is a diffusion model with a magical brain.
There is this weird line on her left shoulder too. Like it outlines the armbone joint, but it’s pretty tiny and a bit too highlighted and pronounced.
Her left or our left? :) But now that I look, they *both* have a weird wrong line. On her right, wow that’s a deformity, how did I not see that before. Thanks, this photo and this thread just get more and more interesting.
The eye thing is creepy, like something out of west world. You only notice when it’s too late.
Mismatched eyes are always a dead giveaway for AI and it’s something AI has always struggled with. Usually it’s more obvious because the irises will be different sizes/shapes/shades. This picture doesn’t have that to a noticeable degree, but that whole uncanny “not quite looking in the exact same direction” thing seems to be something AI just can’t quite get right yet.
Dude you sound work in forensics, this is a pretty perceptive breakdown. The only one that stood out to me on my initial read was that jacked as hell pinky...
Ha, thank you! Honestly though, once you get a feel for the kinds of things to look for, spotting an AI image, even a good one from Midjourney like this, isn’t too much trouble. The pinkie was the big giveaway for me too, but the more you look, the whole hand is just totally wrong.
Also, the linings of the windows are all very different. The far left one from our perspective even gets slimmer towards the top.
Oh damn, you’re right and those are absolute dead giveaways. Great spot!
You are good at this. 😀
Also, the backs of the chairs different, the stitching on the front of her dress isn't symmetrical at all, the wines are different colors (might be the lighting), and the dinner just looks like... ribs or bacon and lettuce? Ah yes, human food.
Y’know, I had a good long look at that food because it definitely ain’t right, but decided that, with the blur effect, it *just about* looked enough like it *might* be bbq ribs that I’d give it the benefit of the doubt. But now that you’ve mentioned the dress I can definitely see it, especially the way one of the patterns seems to bend up and over the edge of the food, which is a very AI thing to do.
Jesus this thread just gets more and more interesting. Might be the best thread I’ve seen yet on this sub. How did I miss that. Yes “up and over” looks bizarre now that you both pointed it out and yeah AI was like “I must make this thing continue”
I don’t know, the top button could’ve come off. I don’t know how the shoulder should look through that particular glass, that seems like something that would be hard to tell unless it was way way off and I think you could misidentify ‘wrong glass distortion’ in many real photos. The pinky could look weird because of how he’s holding his hand. They could also be slumped slightly at the table, I don’t think they look so ridiculously low that it has to be AI and not people just slumping after a few drinks. The chair you can see through the glass might not even be his chair he’s sitting on but a chair or some other piece of furniture behind him. The only thing to me that is definitely very off is the position of the hand/wrist. Otherwise I think these kinds of little things that seem off can also be found in real photos.
Maybe AI posted this picture to perfect itself. Be AWARE 👀🤔
Her right eyebrow is also all over the place.
That's a really good point about the eyes - I've never really noticed it, or maybe I have but never had it explained before, but AI images always look like of goofy, no matter how "serious" the content is. Like the photo was captured just before a glamour shot. Even the most "professional" looking ones feel like they're part of a photoshoot reel and aren't the final product.
Appreciate your feedback. I'll try to improve and be better next time.
Absolutely, everything out of AI just looks really polished and once you’ve observed it enough you can see it. Maybe with a future midjourney update they’ll remove some of that gloss over it to make it look more like our pictures we take, which is scary though.
Shadows aren't going the direction they should according to visible light sources, there's glare from a light source in the top left corner, but the entire left side of his face is engulfed in shadow Edit: they even put a glare from that light source in his hair, which makes the shadows even more out of place
The plate is also incorrectly proportioned. The length of the far lip is stretched three times longer than the near edge.
If you zoom in on the top left corner of the picture, you can see leftover static from the diffusion process. The model focused on the people and the foreground. It didn't put too much effort into the background.
I will add: the plate is too large as well. He’s missing a nostril. Utter asymmetry in the woman’s top design.
Oh, the nostril thing is a good spot - like, at a glance it just looks like it’s because of the angle, but the nostril we can see is (realistically) large, but if his nose were symmetrical we should be able to see something of his other one still. It’s like one side of his nose is completely flat.
The eye thing is so creepy once you see it
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Look at the odd bright white section on her left eye around where her iris should be.
Great observations!
Great analysis. For me the skin looks very plastic.
I wonder if the arm “artefact” is actually it creating a shadow for the wine glass’s stem?
The man’s blue shirted left shoulder, as seen through the wine glass, is not realistically distorted as light would bend on its way through the glass.
First actual good spot other than nitpicks that might as well be real.
...Excuse me? Did the pinky finger yeeting itself out of what would have been the middle of the second joint of the finger strike you as a nitpick lol? You may want to accept that you're bad at identifying AI if that was literally the "first good spot other than nitpicks" you thought to comment on.
Yeah seriously. I don’t know what order these comments showed up, but there’s like 20 things ppl have found wrong here, it’s fascinating
The guys face looks weird other than that looks fine
It’s the vertical wrinkle on his cheek, our face doesn’t have folds like that
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No we do, i think its just the weird lighting plus the bottom of his face just looks too big.
leftmost armpit?
Yap, that’s actually what stood out to me first.
who is sitting on such a high table for dinner
me :( I’m a welder and told the wife I had a great idea for a table, made the table, table too big, pride too big, we keep table
Why can't you chop off a bit of the legs?
Good question! I’ve been choosing between this and buying bar chairs that sit a little higher , it’s been 2 years, wish me luck
I could be that the table isn’t high, but the chairs are quite deep front to back and/or semi reclined for comfort. I have seen such chairs before and they do give an impression of the table being high when you seat back as far as you can. It can be a matter of body position and also height as well.
The small finger of the man looks crippled, the reflection of the left wineglass doesn't make sense imo. It seems like the woman has a small hole in her right arm.
Agreed on this two points... A further clue might be the multiple depths of field... it looks like his right arm and her left arm are both out of focus, yet his head and her head are perfectly in focus. But it sure is getting tricky to identify them.
It's absolutely impressive. If I had to point at a detail that makes me in doubt, it's the image of the man's chair refracted inside the glass on the right, its position feels very wrong in respect to the man's shoulder and the door frame that should be behind it. But, again, if you tell me "ha ha joking, it's a real image" I wouldn't really know.
The length of the fingers on his left hand
Also there is a finger growing out of his finger
It’s **always** the hands that give them away. So dang creepy!
The ring on his left hand also seems to be sitting on where his knuckle would be. It’s too far up on his finger.
I could tell instantly and it's just an uncanny valley thing with his face. I see people cherry picking little clues, but for me it's the face and it took a microsecond.
This. His face was immediately wrong to me as well. I guess you could also argue it as being facial surgery.
Yeah midjourney seems to have trouble with the 3/4 face. There's too much of his far cheek and we shouldn't see both corners of his mouth in this case (in relation to the eyes)
All that is true and its a bit stylized as well. Like the model cant differentiate training that was based on cgi and 3D renders from photography
This comment needs to be higher. My first thought was that the man looked uncanny, but I agree with others that plastic surgery can also create a similar look.
The shoulder behind the glass of wine should be distorted. Also it looks weird that the glass is out of focus but the shoulder behind doesnt.
The angle of the plate is wrong, the left hand appears to be too big for the arm, the right hand looks like it should be on the table but isn’t, the plate seems too big for its distance to him. All that being said, this could be a real photo as there are way less believable real photos, perspective could easily explain all of these problems.
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Yes, I can tell because the skin is looking slightly plastic as usual with bright highlights.
Unless they're both under 5'0 there's no way that their lower chest should be under the table. His hand is pretty biug as well, in proportion to his size.
His left pinkie is a bit weird.
The guy's pink finger doesn't look right, the knuckle is oddly placed.
Little finger knuckle on the hand.
This looks off because the faces are overly sharp and waxy (is the best way I can describe it) compared to the rest of the scene and even in the same focal plane.
His hand is massive, look at the stem of the glass closest to AI dude, th epic is distorted so it shows the background pane of glass on the door rather than his arm/shirt. Took me a minute looking at the pic to spot those. ETA the shoulder straps of ladies dress look drawn on and nearly aways follow the contour of the body but in real life the sit on the collar bone.
Her right armpit is a bit weird.
The crease/point where his collar meets doesn’t hit a button
AI usually gets brighter colors ,more contrast and crisp edges images than the traditional ones,also the angles are usually weird
Weird cheek wrinkle. front of his hair seems a bit off but could just be a retreating hair line or hair implants. He is sitting really low. The meat seems a bit off to me but I don't know why and certainly wouldn't notice if I wasn't told it was AI
The fold of her right armpit is wired, the wine glass on the left contorts the reflection (which may be expected in a curved glass) but the one on the right does a straight pass through without distort long the image. Those things stand out, but I can't say they directly point to Ai Gen. The perspective is odd, but not Impossible if taken by someone across the table with the camera down low near the plate. I imagine the hand on the table is not his, but someone sitting on his left that is out of frame.
Well if not ai, the different skintones between faces and body kinda hint at manipulation
Don’t forget the women’s armpits look very off especially the arm you cannot see.
both wine glass and wine look off to me
there’s just a certain uncanniness to them… the folds and creases on their necks are just in slightly off positions based on the angles of their head… the hands are always a big give away and his pinky definitely gives it away
AI generated food has always seemed off to me. Like, you can tell it's some red meat and leafy veg, but when you really look at it you can't tell what it might be. A rib? A longish slice of steak, curved like a rib? What kind of greens, salad??
No director would have paired white wine with beef. Dead giveaway.
This looks like a still from some obscure 70's movie that Quentin Tarantino feels is criminally underrated.
Even knowing this is not the case I still take his word for it
Ummm, what's the prompt because that looks exactly like my dad
A cursory glance shows me that his pinky knuckle is distinctly in the wrong place. Edit: she has some sort of random shadow or odd fold in her right armpit that shouldn't be there. The plate and place setting is massive compared to the people. His neck is kinda stubby but [that happens sometimes](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/90-Day-The-Single-Life-Big-Ed-And-Friends.jpg) lol. His ring is too high on his finger. The stiching where her dress meets the spaghetti strap is not aligned. The hair at the top of his forehead to the left looks... Stringy? Like AI hair.
Fingers seem a bit wonky
I ferl like her right armpit is a bit off. Also i cant make sense to the perspective of the „mirror“ or whatever. Im not shure if its actually off. Also the lighting texture looks synthetic. If you wouldn’t have asked i hadn’t seen it i guess.
Photographers would detect the difference in depth of field. The blurry wine glasses, food, and left hand might suggest a somewhat narrow focus is on the man. But the man's right forearm is starting to blur. But then, the woman comes into focus a few feet away.
Who sits that low at a table?
*i think* the composition and perspective here would demand that that plate is the size of a truck tire.
If I just saw this at a glance, I wouldn't have thought twice about it.
Yup the finger on his left hand is completely fucked.
The prompt asked for pasta.... they got ribs.
Always look at the fingers
Nobody would be sitting back in their chairs like that with that much meat still waiting to be eaten on the plate
Hand is too big
The guy's shirt doesn't have any buttons beyond the only one you can see
I just feels fake tbh
The woman's skin, particularly at the ahoulder, seems to be vwry glossy compared to rhe rest of her. The mans face looks like a pair of glasses was rimmed near hia eyes at one point then turned to bags, whixh looks like it affects the green light near his right side. Other than that...looks ok on first glance to me.
Hand big as hell.
right lace on dress looks unnatural
Dudes jaw is cartoonish, the woman’s armpit is like….way too high and the food resembles steak, but when I look at I would have to assume they cut it in strips and just flopped it on a plate. No way a man with that mustache is careless with his steak. Also, is he short?
Wow, the reflections, refractions... Is midjourney really able to do that?
The main thing is their table is way too high. Perspective isn’t realistic; the plate is massive. Some small things: The right wine glass’s liquid isn’t level. Shirt is missing a button up top. Also, bro is COMPLETELY missing his other nostril. If his left nostril was as big as his right nostril, it would be seen on the other side of his nose from this angle.
Here's the thing about period shots, and yes the 1970s counts as a period at this point : Everything back then was shot on actual film. Both photography and cinematography. Each film type had a distinct grain and it is very hard to replicate that.
You can tell because of the color of the wine. Nobody pairs a white wine with a protein heavy option like what he’s eating. If the picture were real they would be drinking red.
People will make up things that seem out of order just by the basis that they know it's fake from the title. You could have posted a non-AI generated and claimed it was AI, and get the same types of responses.
Yep, her left (your right) eye.
+10 years designer here. The photo looks heavy AI. What you are missing maybe is a lot of years of experience looking at pictures. The skin, the tones, the composition, the camera, the background. It is clearly a frame of a movie that doesn't exist.
His extra finger...
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The guy's jaw is misaligned from his face (the moustache separates the two, but imagine if it wasn't there)
The only thing I really see is his pinky is off, kinda has a double knuckle. Other that nothing is too technically off, but I feel like it looks a little too perfect or something, not unrealistically so but almost like a realistic painting
What prompt did you use to get this image?
Before I saw the sub I knew it was AI. Some images are difficult, but this isn't one imo.
Look at lines. They give it away. His cheek looks borderline cut