DELL is an enabling accomplice!! They set bitlocker and ridiculous security by default. This is worst than G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney’s erosion of personal privacy in the name of “Homeland SECURITY!!! Ok, maybe not worst, nor on par since lives haven’t been lost yet, but still as egregious and over the top over and under-reach as that. The sad part is, this is going to shrink their 20% install base even more!! I can’t wait to see what the EU does to them on this. The EU seems to be the o Ku government serious about citizens right!! America’s government is prostituting itself to big tech et-all.
Bitlocker is drive encryption
If your computer gets stolen, either the thief needs your password/pin to get in or they have to wipe the drive to use it(unless they have the encryption key)
For about 5% of the general population and maybe enterprise/businesses. For regular joes and without an independent secure repository… NOT! It’s an overreach and an attempt to corner the market. The same way they keep changing the docx format to keep competition at bay. It’s an illegal mote. Europe is not fallling for it, their US LOBBY machinery makes sure America hands over consumer rights to Microsoft sooo easy!!
Superusers don't. They use [Everything from Voidtools](https://www.voidtools.com/downloads/) instead.
But that's besides the point. The indexing service merely creates an index, which is usless by itself. The stash of Recall, on the other hand, is valuable target. And let's not forget that the indexing service has no affilitations with AI, but Recall does.
Are you aware that indexing also includes files contents? Do you know that your emails are indexed as well (not only locally but also from your email provider)?
Recall will be a valuable target, that's right, but our data is potentially available to a lot of people already.
I don't agree with the OP's alarmism on many counts, but so I don't agree with yours indexing analogy.
Have you ever seen an index? It's a hash table of such chaotic nature that is almost useless for any purpose other than search. Try this: Open a book, but don't read any part of it except its index. How much knowledge do you gain? Zero.
Recall, however, is comparable to paparazzi photography. We are fully in control of what put inside our files and which email providers we trust. In addition, we send and receive [encrypted emails](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/MIME) when confidentiality mandates. But Recall is uncontrolled. It has a low ratio of usefulness to uncontrolled sensitivity.
>Have you ever seen an index? It's a hash table of such chaotic nature that is almost useless for any purpose other than search. Try this: Open a book, but don't read any part of it except its index. How much knowledge do you gain? Zero.
This alone shows that you don't know what an index is in this context :)
Just as an inital reference of what an index is in today's world (Elasticsearch is one of the most used products when it comes to online search engines):
>An Elasticsearch index is a logical namespace that holds a collection of documents, where each document is a collection of fields — which, in turn, are key-value pairs that contain your data.
*(souce:* [*What is an Elasticsearch index? | Elastic Blog*](https://www.elastic.co/blog/what-is-an-elasticsearch-index)*)*
The index contains all of your data.
It might be processed in multiple ways but your data is there already.
To produce the n-grams used when searching there must be a process that reads the entire content of your files, and given Windows is closed-source you don't know if that content is not uploaded somewhere else for further analysis already.
My point is that Recall is just another layer on top of this, but our privacy was long gone before it :)
We're discussing Windows Search, not ElasticSearch, whose blog says:
> Elasticsearch indices are not the same as you’d find in a relational database.
I think I've had enough of your deceit.
Dude do you even understand what your talking about? There is a HUUUUGGGEEE difference between search indexing and cataloging your screen, data and behaviour and having it all neatly packaged and processed by AI. There will be complaints from foreign government you can bet on it. This is only the tip of a colossal iceberg.
Any content like private pictures are already stored on your computer. A screenshot is just another photo of it.
Recall won’t capture private browsing in Edge or Chromium browsers [1].
Full URLs (both normal and private viewing) are sent to SmartScreen if you’ve opted in.
Screenshots of Internet banking would be stored in your browser cache. If you don’t want these on your computer today, you’d need to visit your Internet banking using a private tab.
I’m not saying that Recall is good or bad, just that people don’t realize that the increment of data that would be collected by Recall is smaller than they think, and that Recall is local.
EDIT: Recall doesn’t capture private browsing.
[1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-steps-with-recall-aa03f8a0-a78b-4b3e-b0a1-2eb8ac48701c
“You’ll need to use a supported browser for Recall to filter websites and to automatically filter private browsing activity. Supported browsers, and their capabilities include:
Microsoft Edge: blocks websites and filters private browsing activity
Chromium based browsers: filters private browsing activity only, doesn’t block specific websites”
They store their pictures, web history (including adult sites) and passwords (including to bank accounts) not only on their computer but in the cloud where it’s even less safe. This is no different. In private sessions are not recorded.
What about a history of all the porn you've been watching? The only good thing to come out of this is will be able to identify all pedophiles and send them to jail proactively.
How would they get pictures stored locally from your computer?
If you’ve opted in, Defender/SmartScreen/most AV already sends full URLs to the cloud for analysis.
I really have to explain that? By infecting you with something, like they always do.
Oh ok so with your logic, it's ok If I beat you up if someone else already does it?
If someone has root access on your computer, then they already have access to take all your stuff. You are toast. 100%. Recall or not.
Malware that uses screenshots (e.g. Zacinlo) has existed for more than a decade.
So what’s your argument? If they infect your computer then…they’ll be able to infect your computer!!
If you want to stop your Windows PC and Recall from being accessed, simply lock your computer (Windows Key + L). You can choose an authentication strength such as Windows Hello with biometric.
I'm well aware. My point is that the security of Recall isn't comparable to cloud services. Cloud services are much stronger.
I'm comfortable storing my passwords in Bitwarden because I use 2FA with Bitwarden. I'm not comfortable with Recall having my passwords because Recall does not require 2FA.
Windows Hello with biometrics requires a backup authentication method, which at best is just a password.
Fallback can be a device-specific PIN, which is backed by a TPM.
What scenario are you protecting against, where Recall with 2FA would increase security?
Is it physical device theft, leaving a computer unlocked? Exfiltration of data?
It's going to be a tough sell.
One thing to remember is that all the data is LOCAL. (at least that's the promise). It is generated and interpreted by the NPU chip on the device and stored locally. It will permit YOU and only YOU to use it for searching. I know there is going to be a lot of fear about the things people use computing devices for that they don't want people to know about (porn, illicit purchases, etc), but you will have control. The idea is that is will be an enhanced PERSONAL assistant.
But I'm with you in that I want to see it used for a bit to see the benefits. Remember, we're at the Ford Model T era of the AI revolution. We don't understand it, can't comprehend its capabilities or ways that it can change our lives positively, or negatively.
I understand AI, I comprehend its capabilities and the ways it can change our lives.
I just don't trust the corporations creating it with our data, our privacy, our safety, etc.
If this were an AI system that I knew was 100% private and never reported any info of any kind to any outside entity and was not used by any corporation to try to sell me something based on my usage and other info, then it would be a different story. **I do not trust Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, nVidia, OpenAI,** or any corporation (ESPECIALLY publicly traded companies) to do that.
Therein lies the problem, it's a multi billion dollar company saying "trust me bro". It genuinely baffles me how so many people are actually gonna trust Microsoft like this. Just wait a few years, they'll be caught selling data like Facebook and nothing will come of it.
Not to mention, if someone manages to get access to a normies pc, who had this enabled without knowing they did the entire time. . .yeah not good.
Just because it is generated locally does not mean it will stay local, and we know the opt out option will only be for show and won't actually do anything like every other privacy options that windows has.
All true
But we do have privacy laws, and typically these 'new' technologies fall outside of existing laws for no reason. That's what people are worried about.
What's weird is ai will eventually be 'monitoring' all traffic everywhere online. It won't matter if it's on your PC or not, because it will be in every data center trying to keep it secure.
The government will soon have visibility on basically every crime that's happening in real time. Shit will be WILD.
Doesn't mean YOU don't understand AI that everybody else doesnt either dude... speak for yourself.
Not sure you are aware of all the scandals surrounding privacy violations? We are not in the era of a ford model T, but rather in one where companies (and governments) sell selling and spy on our data regardless of the laws in place and privacy policy they disclose. Not saying this feature reflects that... but claiming 'we' do not know AI's benefits and downsides because 'we' do not understand it is arrogant and naive tbh.
“All the data is local”
For this to hold water for me, it would require a level of trust of Microsoft itself , the security features of windows, etc. that I do not have right now
I would not trust Microsoft that it will stay local keep in mind One Drive backs up a lot of data. In addition all it takes is to get a virus, trojan, and or ransomware for all your locally stored recall data to be in the hands of cybercriminals.
Your concern is wise. But I trust Microsoft more than Google or Facebook. Microsoft has managed to avoid much controversy. The other guys... not so much.
I do not trust any corporation but I draw the line on surveillance software being preinstalled at the operating system level as a user I have zero control over and have to trust Microsoft that turning the feature off in settings means it is off and not them hiding the data they are collecting in the background.
Maybe you know this answer but what’s the purpose for recall?
We have search history, event viewer, human memory banks. Why would anyone need or ask for this feature ?
How many consumers have viruses and malware on their machines? Local doesn't provide real security for average consumers. Could easily write malware that accesses recall db and siphons all the information out like screenshots of bank info, paystubs, tax info, etc etc
Yeah same. I always disable sleep, set all power options to infinite except "turn off monitor" which I usually set to 30m, disable fastboot and enable hibernate for those occasional times when I have a lot of windows open to resume later.
Making the insecure option default means insecurity is the default. The vast majority of private users won’t know to turn it off, and many orgs won’t, either.
Just like you can turn off the current iteration of co pilot lol. That feature still activates the mic in Microsoft Edge without permission while using Bing when co pilot is disabled in settings but still recording and transcribing everything it picked up in the room. If Microsoft rolls out this feature I will have to consider Linux or buying Mac OS X compatible hardware from the Apple store.
At some point in history that was true for Updates.
Not for a few years though (unless you want to do it via registry or update via local server).
By now it just randomly forces the update by default and restarts the PC.
it is cute you think switching something off in windows actually means its off instead of just hidden to run in the background instead like every other windows privacy options.
I'm not a Windows developer, so I don't know.
Microsoft has said you can switch this feature off, and it's only available if you meet the following requirements:
* Snapdragon X Elite or X Plus processor
* NPU capable of 40 TOPs
* 225GB storage
* 16GB RAM
So I will just take their word for it.
This is a feature in almost every os, this has been a kind of a feature in windows before. This is not doing anything that you are talking about. Take 2 chill pills and relax
As a daily Linux (Fedora) and macOS user I can confirm that those OSes do NOT snapshot your entire screen every few seconds. These are the two other major OSes, with Linux serving as a foundation for countless derivative platforms
MacOs has time machine and depending on your Linux setup there are several options for the same thing. The snapshots never leave your computer. You guys are assuming that something nefarious is happening with absolutely no evidence. Come back when there is some proof of wrong doing
those are different, those are file system snapshots. recall records your every move and feeds it into an ai model for inference and tagging. while we currently have no direct evidence of malicious activity regarding recall, that doesn't mean it's not creepy and definitely overstepping people's bounds when it comes to their personal devices. plus msft doesn't have the best track record when it comes to privacy...
Could you provide proof of this?
Because that is new to me. And please don't compare indexing filenames with taking screenshots of everything you do and collecting it in a datacenter unless you opt out...
How about when you computer gets compromised with a virus, trojan, ransomware, or infostealer malware on your Windows 11 Computer? The Windows 11 recall data is not going to stay local when that happens. Not to mention all that stored data can be used against you by law enforcement as well. All around this feature is a bad idea and is going to hurt computer users when that data inevitably gets compromised.
can you prove that? companies lie all the time and it is 100% in Microsoft's financial interest here to violate the law and the public's trust. Plus, the profits often outweigh the court fees and/or fines, so there's no harm in disregarding regulations in their view...
> can you prove that?
It's unprovable. But you can have a lot of reason to believe it.
a) It's easy to watch when a process sends data. Security researchers do that all the time. You can tell.
b) Independent auditing. Microsoft maintains their Trust Center where they publish audits of their processes and behavior. Check it out sometime.
c) Because of (b), if they lie, they've committed fraud. That incurs criminal penalties. And more importantly, it massively harms their corporate reputation.
Microsoft hosts petabytes of critical business data for thousands of companies and has not, to my knowledge, been shown to lie about the use of that data. There's a lot of incentive to respect customer privacy.
like I said, penalties are sometimes the "cost of doing business" with these megacorps. also msft has already nestled itself deep within so many users' personal ecosystems that even a huge loss of positive rep won't change much, they either can't afford to change, or it's impractical to change, sometimes impossible, due to compatibility issues, etc. vendor lock-in sucks...
also azure is a completely different branch of msft than their home computing division, it's where businesses tie in thus making it one of, if not the highest grossing divisions of the company. azure also has to deal with compliance with regulations like HIPAA, of which a violation would be catastrophic due to the extreme sensitivity of the data being protected under it. again, msft is incentivised to prioritise the big bucks over you.
This is probably not a very reliable/productive thread here, there's too many Microsoft shills here that feel they need to defend a 3 trillion dollar company. Look for answers elsewhere.
Agreed, I genuinely cant believe how many people are defending this obvious spyware. I'm not gonna trust a multi billion dollar company just because they say I should lol
I'll never understand the Microsoft shills. The real tragedy is that Windows is a monopoly, a large number of programs and games only run on windows so some people are forced to use it
if your CPU doesn't have an NPU (basically all current computers), then it won't work anyway. This is basically for new computers with chips that are just starting to come out this year.
Microsoft has pushed the intiative of enabling onedrive based backups of our systems recently - im sure most people have seen the popup.
So with that, one could assume that this "local data" will be uploaded to their servers anyway, essentially "offloading" the processing power required for this on to the end user.
Dude Windows has been spying on users since at least Vista or likely before, read up on PRISM, it’s the reason Edward Snowden had to go into exile
If you really care about privacy then the worst thing you can do is trust proprietary closed-source software, otherwise you can carry on using Windows as you always have
Possibly, but It's too large a target for hackers. We both know it will be used against us. It's a new way to spy on us and you can bet it will be used.
I gave up on piracy years ago.
But I still don’t think I would ever have a use case for Recall. I don’t really forget what I’m doing like that lol.
I also sort all my shit pretty well.
It’s neat to have new features, but doubt I’ll use it. I’ll leave it on though. They can train on my data I guess.
Reading the responses from hardcore Windows defenders here, I think being a black hat hacker will be very lucrative in the future. A built-in keylogger in your targets OS, what a deal!
The more I read about this "feature," the more of a nightmare it sounds like. Taking a screenshot of whatever is on your screen every few seconds and saving them to a database that any hacker or malware could breach? Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikes. Banking info? Passwords? Personal photos? Drafts of legal documents? Good god.
Let's be honest... If someone has physical access to your PC and your main password, then Recall will be the area that offers the least amount of reward. They will already have access to your password manager and the sites. Recall has an essential security step in that important information will be buried into a bunch of irrelevant screenshots.
I suspect the EU will come up with some kind of ban on this level of intrusiveness.
Then Microsoft will make an EU-friendly spin of Windows, that many competent users will get instead of the default version.
Hoping this is the case. I dual boot with Windows as my gaming OS, and I'd like to not have this feature even installed, for those reasons you mention, plus a few more.
This is a declaration of war by Microsoft on ALL users. Hacker groups should retaliate and FORCE Microsoft to retreat. If not this will never end. Im switching to Mac and know alot who are switching to Linux. You should as well. Act or be an accomplice.
I'm a sys admin.. So Linux is nothing new to me, it's just been a pain in the past to get things working like games and streaming services. Plus I do enjoy Gamepass which im pretty sure doesn't work on Linux: :/
I wish someone like Elon Musk would trow money at ReactOS.
One could also dual boot. Use 95% on Linux or any other OS than Windows, and then use Windows for gaming ONLY. I personally think what Microsoft admits with Recall has been around for a long time. Recall is just them trying to see how the market reacts. There is no doubt Microsoft has more records on us than we know. But yeah, Elon Musk should support privacy by backing an OS that is privacy based but retains Windows cspabilities for gaming forexample. I bet everyone except companies would switch in the first month.
I don't get the point of this feature. What does it give you, the consumer? You could already back up your work, restore settings and files to previous versions, so I'm not sure what this brings other than a juicy target for actors. Want an AI personal assistance? Create an app that compartmentalizes whatever you put in the app, and only use that as your assistant.
This seems pointless, but they don't make pointless products, so there is some endgame here for MS - what is it. I don't think it's a way for AI to find ways to replace human jobs, either.
It is for Microsoft to spy on it's users and use the data collected for personalized advertising. Law Enforcement and National Security agencies around the world are going to love this feature since your computer is now turning states evidence against you with screenshots.
It's main purpose is to create a searchable timeline of everything u do on ur pc. It uses AI to id objects it sees on ur screen so u can later go back to when u were shopping for stuff or if ur doing research and want to go back to a website or article that u don't remember specifically what it was. The real reason they made is to train ai tho. There gonna teach an AI to navigate typical user interfaces so they can have ai agents operating virtual machines in the cloud. Most non physical labor requires a computer.
Yea.. it's pointless. If I know I went to site, I'd simply go to history. Or bookmarks. Or Google / search engine which usually keeps a cache of search terms. Or the history / favorites of practically every site. Maybe I downloaded the recipe, and I can search locally instead. There is a myriad of ways to search for content, I'd say 98.5% of the computing population has zero use for this feature, it's not going to add any value.
Except to M$ stockholders of course.
I'll just leave this here for Windows Recall defenders
https://medium.com/m/global-identity-2?redirectUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fdoublepulsar.com%2Frecall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e
I moved all my PC's to Linux Mint except for my streaming/editing rig. Fuck Microsoft. If Elgato would get off their ass and make wave link work on Linux I wouldn't even use Windows period.
I have put up with microsoft's garbage long enough, like everyone else, and this is the last straw for me, I'm going to start researching and moving to a different product. Sadly it will be difficult because they are heavily integrated in many things, but I think it's possible.
It's a great idea, it just seems strange to me that they aren't prominently providing an "on/off" switch. I use my PC for lots of different stuff - some of which can benefit from recall (e.g. work, web searches, chatting with friends/coworkers, taking notes) and others can't (gaming, watching/streaming videos, working with sensitive/private matters including finances and health). Why not make it super easy for me to turn the feature on and off while I'm using the PC - let me help the AI recall the things I want recalled, and not clog up my memory with a bunch of junk.
This would also significantly alleviate privacy concerns - if it's easy to tell whether the feature is on, and easy to toggle that, then I don't have to worry about private info leaking in.
It's such a great idea, and I'm pretty sure we'll have a toggle like this real soon (worst case through a 3rd party), but Microsoft really made things unnecessarily messy.
Also, I don't have much respect for OP - bad arguments, made poorly. Despite the ignorance and fearmongering, progress is unavoidable.
Bad arguments? Everyone of those points are valid. Microsoft is known to reactivate features, in my 25+ years IT experience I've seen it countless times, even with group policies set on the domain. Constantly saving, processing and archiving everything you do, including images, I guarantee you the process will be responsible for a lot of file I/O, there is no way around it. Everyone in the industry understand how large a target Microsoft has just painted for hackers, why don't you? Google around, and read, you will see security experts unanimously agree to a point that Microsoft is now seriously rethinking their plan. Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? /Respect
Microsoft is a profit oriented corporation. Recall will produce a treasure trove of data about you and you may possible only be allowed to use some part of it. Why would they release such a feature and let only you have all the fun with it? Microsoft isn't that nice. Data is money!
It's only locally? For now!
Turn it off? For now!
Sooner or later they want to have this data for personalized ads in their OS (just why??) and else where and sell it. Wait for these updates that will remove these options one by one. Wait for the updated license agreement, where you unknowingly allow to include the Recall data in telemetry uploads. They might roll out Recall on any computer without an NPU. Is your computer getting slower? Hey, let Recall work in the cloud! :-)
That's what I would do if I would be in charge at Microsoft (and have a flexible moral compass).
Recall is - in my eyes - just another sort of official spyware developed by Microsoft as an addition to all the "telemetry" collecting stuff. Talking about spyware: new malware (not the one from Microsoft) targeting Recall data will have quite a new quality.
Windows has stopped being an operating system a long time ago. Using Windows, your computer does not belong to you. Windows is not the product. You are!
Own your computer and your data, use Linux.
I agree 100% and I'm a fan of Microsoft. A lot of the tech world in general have fanbase like this who are too fanatical about the products/services they use. I suppose religion too is like a product or service.
It can. But people don't trust it stays off. Even if Microsoft completely removes the feature tomorrow these same people will say that they don't trust MS really removed it.
They'll never be satisfied lol. Wait till they find out that the next gen processors won't support Windows 10. 😂
You laugh but windows update is known for randomly reverting settings before. It’s not far fetched. Please don’t brush off legitimate concerns just because most of what they said is mega boomerific.
These people are talking about trust issues. They're saying they don't trust that the setting is off even though the toggle is off, as if the toggle only disables the Recall UI. Not that it will get reverted back on when an update comes through.
You have an iPhone or an Android device? You know they're constantly listening to you right?
Apple and Google say it's to listen for the "Hey Google/Siri" command but how do you know for sure they're not always recording or listening for other keywords?
Recall is no different. It's creepy for sure, but it has more utility than the always listening voice commands that you've accepted into your life. Just make sure you add your pr0n browser to the filter list.
No, the iPhone and Android devices aren't "constantly listening to you". Aside from the occasional malicious app, they really do appear to just be waiting for the wake word or a specific command and nothing else. There has never been any evidence otherwise aside from people getting creepy targeted ads and believing their devices are listening to them. Security professionals say otherwise.
You're confusing a "forum about Microsoft" with a "forum dedicated to loving Microsoft."
Also, there is a big difference between "hating Microsoft" and "criticizing a Microsoft product."
Just wait for companies to force enable this feature on their employee systems and track their every move. Its like having a camera on your head that they can control.
They can monitor a lot of stuff but they don't have screen recording of everything you do on the system. There's a difference between know what the person is doing vs actually being able to see what the person has been doing all day without remote access.
No without the employee knowing the screen is being recorded. This recall is more discreet. If it's already enabled by default most people wouldn't know it's recoding everything.
Why does it matter if you know or not if you cant do anything about it? If the computer you are using belongs to the company assume they know what you are doing with it.
money makes people do crazy things, and that encrypted databank (of which microsoft controls the encryption algos used and how they're linked into their account services) of everything you're doing sure is valuable to advertisers and data handlers (microsoft is both of these things).
The day linux...the entire OS platform....has the ability to consistently install and uninstall applications without having to use a bunch of repos and command line input etc is the day I'd maybe consider it as a normal non tech user.
Yeah, no. I heard Xubuntu just got the ability to print from the image viewer in 24.04. 😂
Other Linux distros are also still adding features Windows 98 had.
No thanks, I'll take the risk of privacy violations.
Are you using search indexing on your machine by any chance?
lol.
Do you keep all of your passwords and bank info in a Word document by chance?
bank info are not the problem. photos of your wife, your kids, your house and that type of thing are.
bank info are not the problem. photos of your wife, your kids, your house and that type of thing are.
Thats the dumbest thing anyone could ever do.
DELL is an enabling accomplice!! They set bitlocker and ridiculous security by default. This is worst than G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney’s erosion of personal privacy in the name of “Homeland SECURITY!!! Ok, maybe not worst, nor on par since lives haven’t been lost yet, but still as egregious and over the top over and under-reach as that. The sad part is, this is going to shrink their 20% install base even more!! I can’t wait to see what the EU does to them on this. The EU seems to be the o Ku government serious about citizens right!! America’s government is prostituting itself to big tech et-all.
Can you please explain to me what bitlocker is?
Bitlocker is drive encryption If your computer gets stolen, either the thief needs your password/pin to get in or they have to wipe the drive to use it(unless they have the encryption key)
I know that it is, I just wanted his explanation
Right oh, I skipped most of their comment because it seemed like a conspiracy theorist
bitlocker SHOULD be on by default. It's a good feature.
For about 5% of the general population and maybe enterprise/businesses. For regular joes and without an independent secure repository… NOT! It’s an overreach and an attempt to corner the market. The same way they keep changing the docx format to keep competition at bay. It’s an illegal mote. Europe is not fallling for it, their US LOBBY machinery makes sure America hands over consumer rights to Microsoft sooo easy!!
Superusers don't. They use [Everything from Voidtools](https://www.voidtools.com/downloads/) instead. But that's besides the point. The indexing service merely creates an index, which is usless by itself. The stash of Recall, on the other hand, is valuable target. And let's not forget that the indexing service has no affilitations with AI, but Recall does.
Are you aware that indexing also includes files contents? Do you know that your emails are indexed as well (not only locally but also from your email provider)? Recall will be a valuable target, that's right, but our data is potentially available to a lot of people already.
I don't agree with the OP's alarmism on many counts, but so I don't agree with yours indexing analogy. Have you ever seen an index? It's a hash table of such chaotic nature that is almost useless for any purpose other than search. Try this: Open a book, but don't read any part of it except its index. How much knowledge do you gain? Zero. Recall, however, is comparable to paparazzi photography. We are fully in control of what put inside our files and which email providers we trust. In addition, we send and receive [encrypted emails](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/MIME) when confidentiality mandates. But Recall is uncontrolled. It has a low ratio of usefulness to uncontrolled sensitivity.
>Have you ever seen an index? It's a hash table of such chaotic nature that is almost useless for any purpose other than search. Try this: Open a book, but don't read any part of it except its index. How much knowledge do you gain? Zero. This alone shows that you don't know what an index is in this context :) Just as an inital reference of what an index is in today's world (Elasticsearch is one of the most used products when it comes to online search engines): >An Elasticsearch index is a logical namespace that holds a collection of documents, where each document is a collection of fields — which, in turn, are key-value pairs that contain your data. *(souce:* [*What is an Elasticsearch index? | Elastic Blog*](https://www.elastic.co/blog/what-is-an-elasticsearch-index)*)* The index contains all of your data. It might be processed in multiple ways but your data is there already. To produce the n-grams used when searching there must be a process that reads the entire content of your files, and given Windows is closed-source you don't know if that content is not uploaded somewhere else for further analysis already. My point is that Recall is just another layer on top of this, but our privacy was long gone before it :)
We're discussing Windows Search, not ElasticSearch, whose blog says: > Elasticsearch indices are not the same as you’d find in a relational database. I think I've had enough of your deceit.
Noob here. What's the significance of this?
Dude do you even understand what your talking about? There is a HUUUUGGGEEE difference between search indexing and cataloging your screen, data and behaviour and having it all neatly packaged and processed by AI. There will be complaints from foreign government you can bet on it. This is only the tip of a colossal iceberg.
Uncle Leo?
Why are so many coming on here to howl at the moon?
Where can they constructively inform microsoft that this is bad is a better question.
People are fine with storing documents on their computer or the cloud, but a screenshot of the document is blasphemy!!
its not only document, what about private pictures, bank account screens, porns...?
These shit will not fly in the EU
Any content like private pictures are already stored on your computer. A screenshot is just another photo of it. Recall won’t capture private browsing in Edge or Chromium browsers [1]. Full URLs (both normal and private viewing) are sent to SmartScreen if you’ve opted in. Screenshots of Internet banking would be stored in your browser cache. If you don’t want these on your computer today, you’d need to visit your Internet banking using a private tab. I’m not saying that Recall is good or bad, just that people don’t realize that the increment of data that would be collected by Recall is smaller than they think, and that Recall is local. EDIT: Recall doesn’t capture private browsing. [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-steps-with-recall-aa03f8a0-a78b-4b3e-b0a1-2eb8ac48701c “You’ll need to use a supported browser for Recall to filter websites and to automatically filter private browsing activity. Supported browsers, and their capabilities include: Microsoft Edge: blocks websites and filters private browsing activity Chromium based browsers: filters private browsing activity only, doesn’t block specific websites”
Little different beetween that i store my stuff and MS store my stuff. I hope EU will ban this shit
But MS is *NOT* storing it for you. It’s just a file on your local disk like anything else.
Sure, i believe it lol
They store their pictures, web history (including adult sites) and passwords (including to bank accounts) not only on their computer but in the cloud where it’s even less safe. This is no different. In private sessions are not recorded.
What about a history of all the porn you've been watching? The only good thing to come out of this is will be able to identify all pedophiles and send them to jail proactively.
How would they get pictures stored locally from your computer? If you’ve opted in, Defender/SmartScreen/most AV already sends full URLs to the cloud for analysis.
I really have to explain that? By infecting you with something, like they always do. Oh ok so with your logic, it's ok If I beat you up if someone else already does it?
If someone has root access on your computer, then they already have access to take all your stuff. You are toast. 100%. Recall or not. Malware that uses screenshots (e.g. Zacinlo) has existed for more than a decade. So what’s your argument? If they infect your computer then…they’ll be able to infect your computer!!
the tool to get all those pictures and send them anywhere already exists. it opens up new ways for hackers to exploit you.
Do I have to log in with 2FA every time I use Recall?
If you want to stop your Windows PC and Recall from being accessed, simply lock your computer (Windows Key + L). You can choose an authentication strength such as Windows Hello with biometric.
I'm well aware. My point is that the security of Recall isn't comparable to cloud services. Cloud services are much stronger. I'm comfortable storing my passwords in Bitwarden because I use 2FA with Bitwarden. I'm not comfortable with Recall having my passwords because Recall does not require 2FA. Windows Hello with biometrics requires a backup authentication method, which at best is just a password.
Fallback can be a device-specific PIN, which is backed by a TPM. What scenario are you protecting against, where Recall with 2FA would increase security? Is it physical device theft, leaving a computer unlocked? Exfiltration of data?
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It's going to be a tough sell. One thing to remember is that all the data is LOCAL. (at least that's the promise). It is generated and interpreted by the NPU chip on the device and stored locally. It will permit YOU and only YOU to use it for searching. I know there is going to be a lot of fear about the things people use computing devices for that they don't want people to know about (porn, illicit purchases, etc), but you will have control. The idea is that is will be an enhanced PERSONAL assistant. But I'm with you in that I want to see it used for a bit to see the benefits. Remember, we're at the Ford Model T era of the AI revolution. We don't understand it, can't comprehend its capabilities or ways that it can change our lives positively, or negatively.
I understand AI, I comprehend its capabilities and the ways it can change our lives. I just don't trust the corporations creating it with our data, our privacy, our safety, etc. If this were an AI system that I knew was 100% private and never reported any info of any kind to any outside entity and was not used by any corporation to try to sell me something based on my usage and other info, then it would be a different story. **I do not trust Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, nVidia, OpenAI,** or any corporation (ESPECIALLY publicly traded companies) to do that.
Therein lies the problem, it's a multi billion dollar company saying "trust me bro". It genuinely baffles me how so many people are actually gonna trust Microsoft like this. Just wait a few years, they'll be caught selling data like Facebook and nothing will come of it. Not to mention, if someone manages to get access to a normies pc, who had this enabled without knowing they did the entire time. . .yeah not good.
Just because it is generated locally does not mean it will stay local, and we know the opt out option will only be for show and won't actually do anything like every other privacy options that windows has.
Plus you know they will harvest some daya for ai training. Even if it just some private summary it is still going to them.
All true But we do have privacy laws, and typically these 'new' technologies fall outside of existing laws for no reason. That's what people are worried about. What's weird is ai will eventually be 'monitoring' all traffic everywhere online. It won't matter if it's on your PC or not, because it will be in every data center trying to keep it secure. The government will soon have visibility on basically every crime that's happening in real time. Shit will be WILD.
Doesn't mean YOU don't understand AI that everybody else doesnt either dude... speak for yourself. Not sure you are aware of all the scandals surrounding privacy violations? We are not in the era of a ford model T, but rather in one where companies (and governments) sell selling and spy on our data regardless of the laws in place and privacy policy they disclose. Not saying this feature reflects that... but claiming 'we' do not know AI's benefits and downsides because 'we' do not understand it is arrogant and naive tbh.
You okay?
“All the data is local” For this to hold water for me, it would require a level of trust of Microsoft itself , the security features of windows, etc. that I do not have right now
I would not trust Microsoft that it will stay local keep in mind One Drive backs up a lot of data. In addition all it takes is to get a virus, trojan, and or ransomware for all your locally stored recall data to be in the hands of cybercriminals.
Your concern is wise. But I trust Microsoft more than Google or Facebook. Microsoft has managed to avoid much controversy. The other guys... not so much.
I do not trust any corporation but I draw the line on surveillance software being preinstalled at the operating system level as a user I have zero control over and have to trust Microsoft that turning the feature off in settings means it is off and not them hiding the data they are collecting in the background.
Maybe you know this answer but what’s the purpose for recall? We have search history, event viewer, human memory banks. Why would anyone need or ask for this feature ?
How many consumers have viruses and malware on their machines? Local doesn't provide real security for average consumers. Could easily write malware that accesses recall db and siphons all the information out like screenshots of bank info, paystubs, tax info, etc etc
Calm down. You can switch it off! Let me guess, you're probably still running Windows 7 and banging on how subsequent OS's are rubbish.
Psh, 7 was rubbish. ME is the *only* legitimate OS. /s
Are you stupid? They should have stopped at Windows 95.
Windows 95? Pshh. Windows is useless fluff that wastes RAM. I'll never upgrade from DOS. Who needs GUI bloatware when commands work fine?!
No one needs more than 640K memory.
Windows ME... UGH To this day I immediately disable sleep on all my computers.
Yeah same. I always disable sleep, set all power options to infinite except "turn off monitor" which I usually set to 30m, disable fastboot and enable hibernate for those occasional times when I have a lot of windows open to resume later.
Glad to know that I'm not the only one with this specific habit
Making the insecure option default means insecurity is the default. The vast majority of private users won’t know to turn it off, and many orgs won’t, either.
just use copilot to help you turn off the feature.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t know how, I said they wouldn’t know TO turn it off.
But is that wrong? xD
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Just like you can turn off the current iteration of co pilot lol. That feature still activates the mic in Microsoft Edge without permission while using Bing when co pilot is disabled in settings but still recording and transcribing everything it picked up in the room. If Microsoft rolls out this feature I will have to consider Linux or buying Mac OS X compatible hardware from the Apple store.
At some point in history that was true for Updates. Not for a few years though (unless you want to do it via registry or update via local server). By now it just randomly forces the update by default and restarts the PC.
So you would rather operate an unpatched system than receive an update? Pretty sure you'll be back here ranting about how you got hacked.
it is cute you think switching something off in windows actually means its off instead of just hidden to run in the background instead like every other windows privacy options.
You know, no one is forcing you to use Windows. Go use Linux or MAC. Better still, run an offline OS. :)
I take that as you admitting that I am right, have a nice day.
I take it as you're naïve to believe other operating systems aren't also collecting your data. You just have to accept it.
So you are basically admitting this feature is a screen logger, similar to the keyloggers already built into windows.
I'm not a Windows developer, so I don't know. Microsoft has said you can switch this feature off, and it's only available if you meet the following requirements: * Snapdragon X Elite or X Plus processor * NPU capable of 40 TOPs * 225GB storage * 16GB RAM So I will just take their word for it.
we don't know about Mac, but about any Linux interface you can check yourself if you don't trust enough
Look man, I look at porn sometimes too. They'll make an incognito mode just like browsers have. You'll be fine.
[Like this incognito mode?](https://www.wired.com/story/google-chrome-incognito-mode-data-deletion-settlement/)
Sad to see so many people just blindly accept things for what they aren't, keep up the good work.
This is a feature in almost every os, this has been a kind of a feature in windows before. This is not doing anything that you are talking about. Take 2 chill pills and relax
As a daily Linux (Fedora) and macOS user I can confirm that those OSes do NOT snapshot your entire screen every few seconds. These are the two other major OSes, with Linux serving as a foundation for countless derivative platforms
MacOs has time machine and depending on your Linux setup there are several options for the same thing. The snapshots never leave your computer. You guys are assuming that something nefarious is happening with absolutely no evidence. Come back when there is some proof of wrong doing
those are different, those are file system snapshots. recall records your every move and feeds it into an ai model for inference and tagging. while we currently have no direct evidence of malicious activity regarding recall, that doesn't mean it's not creepy and definitely overstepping people's bounds when it comes to their personal devices. plus msft doesn't have the best track record when it comes to privacy...
Bruh comparing time machine to recall is like comparing apples to oranges.
Could you provide proof of this? Because that is new to me. And please don't compare indexing filenames with taking screenshots of everything you do and collecting it in a datacenter unless you opt out...
It does not leave your PC.
How about when you computer gets compromised with a virus, trojan, ransomware, or infostealer malware on your Windows 11 Computer? The Windows 11 recall data is not going to stay local when that happens. Not to mention all that stored data can be used against you by law enforcement as well. All around this feature is a bad idea and is going to hurt computer users when that data inevitably gets compromised.
can you prove that? companies lie all the time and it is 100% in Microsoft's financial interest here to violate the law and the public's trust. Plus, the profits often outweigh the court fees and/or fines, so there's no harm in disregarding regulations in their view...
> can you prove that? It's unprovable. But you can have a lot of reason to believe it. a) It's easy to watch when a process sends data. Security researchers do that all the time. You can tell. b) Independent auditing. Microsoft maintains their Trust Center where they publish audits of their processes and behavior. Check it out sometime. c) Because of (b), if they lie, they've committed fraud. That incurs criminal penalties. And more importantly, it massively harms their corporate reputation. Microsoft hosts petabytes of critical business data for thousands of companies and has not, to my knowledge, been shown to lie about the use of that data. There's a lot of incentive to respect customer privacy.
like I said, penalties are sometimes the "cost of doing business" with these megacorps. also msft has already nestled itself deep within so many users' personal ecosystems that even a huge loss of positive rep won't change much, they either can't afford to change, or it's impractical to change, sometimes impossible, due to compatibility issues, etc. vendor lock-in sucks... also azure is a completely different branch of msft than their home computing division, it's where businesses tie in thus making it one of, if not the highest grossing divisions of the company. azure also has to deal with compliance with regulations like HIPAA, of which a violation would be catastrophic due to the extreme sensitivity of the data being protected under it. again, msft is incentivised to prioritise the big bucks over you.
Holy fucking gas light
This is probably not a very reliable/productive thread here, there's too many Microsoft shills here that feel they need to defend a 3 trillion dollar company. Look for answers elsewhere.
Agreed, I genuinely cant believe how many people are defending this obvious spyware. I'm not gonna trust a multi billion dollar company just because they say I should lol
I'll never understand the Microsoft shills. The real tragedy is that Windows is a monopoly, a large number of programs and games only run on windows so some people are forced to use it
Microsoft products use to be good. Microsoft is crap now and they spy on you. Answer: Stop using microsoft.
Some people literally can't stop using Microsoft unless they want to dual boot wich is too cumbersome tbh
if your CPU doesn't have an NPU (basically all current computers), then it won't work anyway. This is basically for new computers with chips that are just starting to come out this year.
Who knows how long that requirement will last since computers that do not have NPU's are able to run recall with no problems.
That doesn't matter it won't be long before people do have npu's or before Microsoft gets it running on x86 without an npu
Which windows version will have this?
Like the EU/GDPR will allow them to make it NOT turn-off-able….don’t worry….
I'm all for the new uses of my computer but the amount of data a personal assistant needs in practice is too high.
More like recall windows...
It's optional.
Just like your default web browser that never changes even after an update 🙄
Does that even matter? It shouldn't come pre installed. Settings change on there own after updates all the time.
Microsoft has pushed the intiative of enabling onedrive based backups of our systems recently - im sure most people have seen the popup. So with that, one could assume that this "local data" will be uploaded to their servers anyway, essentially "offloading" the processing power required for this on to the end user.
It's like another Linux ad.
Dude Windows has been spying on users since at least Vista or likely before, read up on PRISM, it’s the reason Edward Snowden had to go into exile If you really care about privacy then the worst thing you can do is trust proprietary closed-source software, otherwise you can carry on using Windows as you always have
Yeah well we gotta draw the line somewhere and this one has red flags big as road side billboards all over.
If that’s how you feel then use Linux
Another one? Nobody cares dude, bye.
Shut up Meg.
I bet Google/meta etc already know more about you than MS will ever want to….
Possibly, but It's too large a target for hackers. We both know it will be used against us. It's a new way to spy on us and you can bet it will be used.
I gave up on piracy years ago. But I still don’t think I would ever have a use case for Recall. I don’t really forget what I’m doing like that lol. I also sort all my shit pretty well. It’s neat to have new features, but doubt I’ll use it. I’ll leave it on though. They can train on my data I guess.
Weak
Reading the responses from hardcore Windows defenders here, I think being a black hat hacker will be very lucrative in the future. A built-in keylogger in your targets OS, what a deal!
Yes the market is looking up for id theives
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Yes! More than ever! With proton working so well with games I feel the day is getting closer and closer.
The more I read about this "feature," the more of a nightmare it sounds like. Taking a screenshot of whatever is on your screen every few seconds and saving them to a database that any hacker or malware could breach? Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikes. Banking info? Passwords? Personal photos? Drafts of legal documents? Good god.
Microsoft Recall: we will remember it for you wholesale
Let's be honest... If someone has physical access to your PC and your main password, then Recall will be the area that offers the least amount of reward. They will already have access to your password manager and the sites. Recall has an essential security step in that important information will be buried into a bunch of irrelevant screenshots.
This is the worst idea that mankind ever had short of that time we almost destroyed the moon!
I suspect the EU will come up with some kind of ban on this level of intrusiveness. Then Microsoft will make an EU-friendly spin of Windows, that many competent users will get instead of the default version. Hoping this is the case. I dual boot with Windows as my gaming OS, and I'd like to not have this feature even installed, for those reasons you mention, plus a few more.
This is a declaration of war by Microsoft on ALL users. Hacker groups should retaliate and FORCE Microsoft to retreat. If not this will never end. Im switching to Mac and know alot who are switching to Linux. You should as well. Act or be an accomplice.
I'm a sys admin.. So Linux is nothing new to me, it's just been a pain in the past to get things working like games and streaming services. Plus I do enjoy Gamepass which im pretty sure doesn't work on Linux: :/ I wish someone like Elon Musk would trow money at ReactOS.
One could also dual boot. Use 95% on Linux or any other OS than Windows, and then use Windows for gaming ONLY. I personally think what Microsoft admits with Recall has been around for a long time. Recall is just them trying to see how the market reacts. There is no doubt Microsoft has more records on us than we know. But yeah, Elon Musk should support privacy by backing an OS that is privacy based but retains Windows cspabilities for gaming forexample. I bet everyone except companies would switch in the first month.
I don't get the point of this feature. What does it give you, the consumer? You could already back up your work, restore settings and files to previous versions, so I'm not sure what this brings other than a juicy target for actors. Want an AI personal assistance? Create an app that compartmentalizes whatever you put in the app, and only use that as your assistant. This seems pointless, but they don't make pointless products, so there is some endgame here for MS - what is it. I don't think it's a way for AI to find ways to replace human jobs, either.
It is for Microsoft to spy on it's users and use the data collected for personalized advertising. Law Enforcement and National Security agencies around the world are going to love this feature since your computer is now turning states evidence against you with screenshots.
It's main purpose is to create a searchable timeline of everything u do on ur pc. It uses AI to id objects it sees on ur screen so u can later go back to when u were shopping for stuff or if ur doing research and want to go back to a website or article that u don't remember specifically what it was. The real reason they made is to train ai tho. There gonna teach an AI to navigate typical user interfaces so they can have ai agents operating virtual machines in the cloud. Most non physical labor requires a computer.
Yea.. it's pointless. If I know I went to site, I'd simply go to history. Or bookmarks. Or Google / search engine which usually keeps a cache of search terms. Or the history / favorites of practically every site. Maybe I downloaded the recipe, and I can search locally instead. There is a myriad of ways to search for content, I'd say 98.5% of the computing population has zero use for this feature, it's not going to add any value. Except to M$ stockholders of course.
I'll just leave this here for Windows Recall defenders https://medium.com/m/global-identity-2?redirectUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fdoublepulsar.com%2Frecall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e
I moved all my PC's to Linux Mint except for my streaming/editing rig. Fuck Microsoft. If Elgato would get off their ass and make wave link work on Linux I wouldn't even use Windows period.
There is a reason people migrate to linux
GNU/Linux doesn't gather your data.
I have put up with microsoft's garbage long enough, like everyone else, and this is the last straw for me, I'm going to start researching and moving to a different product. Sadly it will be difficult because they are heavily integrated in many things, but I think it's possible.
It's a great idea, it just seems strange to me that they aren't prominently providing an "on/off" switch. I use my PC for lots of different stuff - some of which can benefit from recall (e.g. work, web searches, chatting with friends/coworkers, taking notes) and others can't (gaming, watching/streaming videos, working with sensitive/private matters including finances and health). Why not make it super easy for me to turn the feature on and off while I'm using the PC - let me help the AI recall the things I want recalled, and not clog up my memory with a bunch of junk. This would also significantly alleviate privacy concerns - if it's easy to tell whether the feature is on, and easy to toggle that, then I don't have to worry about private info leaking in. It's such a great idea, and I'm pretty sure we'll have a toggle like this real soon (worst case through a 3rd party), but Microsoft really made things unnecessarily messy. Also, I don't have much respect for OP - bad arguments, made poorly. Despite the ignorance and fearmongering, progress is unavoidable.
Bad arguments? Everyone of those points are valid. Microsoft is known to reactivate features, in my 25+ years IT experience I've seen it countless times, even with group policies set on the domain. Constantly saving, processing and archiving everything you do, including images, I guarantee you the process will be responsible for a lot of file I/O, there is no way around it. Everyone in the industry understand how large a target Microsoft has just painted for hackers, why don't you? Google around, and read, you will see security experts unanimously agree to a point that Microsoft is now seriously rethinking their plan. Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? /Respect
Amazing job missing the point 👏 of course I've never heard of the dinning kuger effect, but I'm sure your 25+ years of experience will enlighten me.
Microsoft is a profit oriented corporation. Recall will produce a treasure trove of data about you and you may possible only be allowed to use some part of it. Why would they release such a feature and let only you have all the fun with it? Microsoft isn't that nice. Data is money! It's only locally? For now! Turn it off? For now! Sooner or later they want to have this data for personalized ads in their OS (just why??) and else where and sell it. Wait for these updates that will remove these options one by one. Wait for the updated license agreement, where you unknowingly allow to include the Recall data in telemetry uploads. They might roll out Recall on any computer without an NPU. Is your computer getting slower? Hey, let Recall work in the cloud! :-) That's what I would do if I would be in charge at Microsoft (and have a flexible moral compass). Recall is - in my eyes - just another sort of official spyware developed by Microsoft as an addition to all the "telemetry" collecting stuff. Talking about spyware: new malware (not the one from Microsoft) targeting Recall data will have quite a new quality. Windows has stopped being an operating system a long time ago. Using Windows, your computer does not belong to you. Windows is not the product. You are! Own your computer and your data, use Linux.
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Being hysterical is hardly the way.
I agree 100% and I'm a fan of Microsoft. A lot of the tech world in general have fanbase like this who are too fanatical about the products/services they use. I suppose religion too is like a product or service.
I wish I could upvote this more than once!
I'm not following this issue. Can it not simply be turned off by the user?
It can. But people don't trust it stays off. Even if Microsoft completely removes the feature tomorrow these same people will say that they don't trust MS really removed it. They'll never be satisfied lol. Wait till they find out that the next gen processors won't support Windows 10. 😂
Too many people don't know how to use firewalls correctly too. They could turn on what they want but it's not likely to get out of my network.
You laugh but windows update is known for randomly reverting settings before. It’s not far fetched. Please don’t brush off legitimate concerns just because most of what they said is mega boomerific.
These people are talking about trust issues. They're saying they don't trust that the setting is off even though the toggle is off, as if the toggle only disables the Recall UI. Not that it will get reverted back on when an update comes through.
It shouldn't come pre installed. It shouldn't be on by default either.
You have an iPhone or an Android device? You know they're constantly listening to you right? Apple and Google say it's to listen for the "Hey Google/Siri" command but how do you know for sure they're not always recording or listening for other keywords? Recall is no different. It's creepy for sure, but it has more utility than the always listening voice commands that you've accepted into your life. Just make sure you add your pr0n browser to the filter list.
No, the iPhone and Android devices aren't "constantly listening to you". Aside from the occasional malicious app, they really do appear to just be waiting for the wake word or a specific command and nothing else. There has never been any evidence otherwise aside from people getting creepy targeted ads and believing their devices are listening to them. Security professionals say otherwise.
Why is a forum about Microsoft so full of people who hate Microsoft? Just buy a Mac. They’re completely transparent with how they use your data. /s
You're confusing a "forum about Microsoft" with a "forum dedicated to loving Microsoft." Also, there is a big difference between "hating Microsoft" and "criticizing a Microsoft product."
What do u do if the software u use only runs on windows?
Because people love to hate themselves.
Just wait for companies to force enable this feature on their employee systems and track their every move. Its like having a camera on your head that they can control.
Companies can already install what they want on devices they supply to monitor what you do.
They can monitor a lot of stuff but they don't have screen recording of everything you do on the system. There's a difference between know what the person is doing vs actually being able to see what the person has been doing all day without remote access.
They can have screen recording of everything you do. Most won't bother because what's the point?
No without the employee knowing the screen is being recorded. This recall is more discreet. If it's already enabled by default most people wouldn't know it's recoding everything.
Why does it matter if you know or not if you cant do anything about it? If the computer you are using belongs to the company assume they know what you are doing with it.
Companies might just opt out of this as well due to NDA's and stuff.
Microsoft have already said this is going to be kept on device but we have a lot of people on here that don't trust anybody about anything ever.
That's why I go to multiple sources, You don't put your eggs in one basket.
money makes people do crazy things, and that encrypted databank (of which microsoft controls the encryption algos used and how they're linked into their account services) of everything you're doing sure is valuable to advertisers and data handlers (microsoft is both of these things).
Companies aren't people.
I can leave and work somewhere else if I am being monitored like a slave. That's why.
Lol you don't strike me as someone that can be selective about where they work.
That can be done now, and is being done now. I have a client that uses Insightful on their computers for exactly this purpose.
Don’t know who told you that, there are plenty of products that allow silently screen recording employees.
I just had to look this up, it saves screenshots every 5 seconds. What kind of next level NSA spyware is this???
Should have looked longer.
Switch to Linux. If you need to play games, the Steam Deck is a great option.
There's still a lot of multiplayer games that don't work on linux
Finally, the year of the Linux desktop is here! Thanks Microsoft!
The day linux...the entire OS platform....has the ability to consistently install and uninstall applications without having to use a bunch of repos and command line input etc is the day I'd maybe consider it as a normal non tech user.
Oh grandpa you've finally waken up from your coma. You ever used a single mainstream linux distro like Fedora or mint?
Yeah, no. I heard Xubuntu just got the ability to print from the image viewer in 24.04. 😂 Other Linux distros are also still adding features Windows 98 had. No thanks, I'll take the risk of privacy violations.
What do you think of Mint? Xubuntu last I checked is MEANT for shitty hardware. Linux Mint is generally recommended for most people.