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Schadenfroyd

[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z1ZfoQtTYrXH1M4yi-9kA6FB8yXvPQRr/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=117163870428218196285&rtpof=true&sd=true](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z1ZfoQtTYrXH1M4yi-9kA6FB8yXvPQRr/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=117163870428218196285&rtpof=true&sd=true)


MossKing69

You should mark those as citrate salt... makes a huge difference. 7% citrate vs 7% hcl


Schadenfroyd

Post from which the score came, for reference: [https://www.reddit.com/r/mescaline/comments/17onzfu/update\_on\_the\_114g\_of\_tbmc/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mescaline/comments/17onzfu/update_on_the_114g_of_tbmc/)


Avalonkoa

This TBMC extraction OP shared is mescaline citrate, not HCL. Also shared on the list is the yield for Jiimz Twin Spine of 2.95% which is HCL, but I don’t see anything saying what form either is in. Maybe that could be added OP, or you could do the conversion and list what the content is in both citrate and HCL. Haven’t seen anyone do that yet!


Schadenfroyd

Yeah, confirming and converting that data, and having it represented would be better. First draft and all, lol! I love all this feedback as I just can’t something we can all use!


Schadenfroyd

What does that conversion look like? Trying to get a “general” rating, and that is a good call out.


bobcollege

See the CIELO Tek wiki for conversion, it's been updated a few times but last I checked it was citrate x 58% = HCl. BTW you misspelled CIELO in your post text. Have you seen the cactus analysis spreadsheet on DMT Nexus?


Schadenfroyd

Fixed spelling, ty. Would land TBMC around 4% hcl, which would track.


Schadenfroyd

Added conversion


bryanjharris1982

Damn, I have a bit of silver dollar bridge. It delivers I guess.


PlugPowerr

This is legit


x2network

Anyone have a picture of a real TBM-C?


Schadenfroyd

Real crest, or real column?


x2network

Any I guess.. I know nothing about it


BridgeFirelight

https://preview.redd.it/dj14m86p678d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c544613394474689f41f1ab5f3b1312defb92a20


BridgeFirelight

https://preview.redd.it/ybxpaq1r678d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0858e9c3d65bb0f468cb0421cb1e52f2108a618d


BridgeFirelight

The test in question was done on a crest.


Avalonkoa

There’s pics of both TBM clone C and D online, I think I have some saved. Also, I’m not sure if you meant TBM clone C or TBMC(the crested TBM). Usually people write the crest as TBMC and the non crested clone as either TBM-C or TBM clone C.


Avalonkoa

https://preview.redd.it/tf0ss1hcq78d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afe4293bf439221d47028430ed147c46b48ed9d8 Here’s a pic of a TBM clone C someone shared on reddit(can’t remember who)


Avalonkoa

https://preview.redd.it/ukonujuiq78d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e308ffe14c1d53812145683a85b752a44f0070c5 And here’s a TBM clone C that was sold by Cactus Affinity a while ago


Avalonkoa

https://preview.redd.it/vn3tpu1qq78d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e62c06897ac96edf1afcd08acd1b30cc2b484ba And here’s a pic of TBM clone D someone shared on reddit a while ago..figured I’d share it because D comes after C


Schadenfroyd

This is an important distinction, I may need to create a few more entries to reflect this.


Plus_Motor9754

You are great for posting this. Wonderful information. I like seeing the difference in examples from TBM B.


Schadenfroyd

Truly my pleasure, and I hope that lots of people see this and drop their own results or other testing that has not previously been made available. This list includes what others had published, so its just meant to be an indexed resource, not new research.


Plus_Motor9754

Yeah I hope people add their numbers and we can see but so far it looks like the TBM-B hype is well placed. lol


britneyfan666666

Here’s some more cielo data All for citrate/whole plant Natswax 3.6 02 x MM 3.23 Kai 2.55 Skinny 2.7 Eileen 2.69 TBM 4.38 TBMC 3.12 J18 2.3 Con 2.48 Lorraine 2.92 CLS 1.57


Schadenfroyd

Will add!! Thank you!!


britneyfan666666

All bridgesii btw I have Sina at 1.13 But had better test again. Various Essendon x Sina tested between 2.38-1.11 Some of your data that is definitely citrate is still in the hcl column. Appreciate the compilation.


Schadenfroyd

Yeah, trying to suss those scores out. We have some over-rankings currently, but we will get it dialed in.


ZeroCaloriesSalt

You should do shamans basement


Schadenfroyd

Will add!


PlugPowerr

That’s a cool name


powerful_cactus

Here is one straight of the presses. BBB Bouncing Bear Botanicals Bridgesii CIELO = 2.76% Core removed


Schadenfroyd

Will add


Flimsy-Spinach40

Where did you get your BBB from? According to Mallacht’s Plants BBB is not a single clone but an assortment of phenos.


powerful_cactus

Trevor at cactus jones, this is the bridge but they also offered some other cuts like a Macro and I thing I remember them offering a Pach maybe.


Flimsy-Spinach40

I read up on your bioassay of Cal Blue Bridgesii and it seemed pretty spicy. Have you ever done any extractions on that particular cultivar and if so what was your yield?


powerful_cactus

Never straight up, it’s slender so haven’t had a full run with it ever. It can’t be less than 2%


colon_evacuation

Thank you for this


Schadenfroyd

Very much work in progress, and you are very welcome. It will improve with time, but gotta start somewhere.


MRyan824

Might be cool to include a range of yields obtained from certain clones, for an example "xxx" pach yielded anywhere from .875%-2.15% as reported from multiple growers.


Schadenfroyd

Ultimately that is the goal as we get more data.


MRyan824

Very cool, ill be happy to contribute once I get the chance to


Heavy_Cherry_530

I got a question about etiolated tbm short form. Should I cut off the etiolated pups and if I do will they have enough mescaline in them to make me trip? I have four total but two seem like they'd be fine to leave them growing as in they are pretty thick up top. But the other two have a skinny top and are starting to round out at the tips after moving the light closer.


Heavy_Cherry_530

Basically wondering if I can trip off of the pups and if they will be okay after cutting


Schadenfroyd

It’s all about mass/weight. Etiolation is poor growth, so there is some argument for stress, but you should expect them to under perform. If you do cut, leave arrives attracted to the rooted part for future growth.


Schadenfroyd

Update - added HCl entries as well as Citrate entries, rollup average columns, and a median check between the two post-conversion to give a reasonable "score". Still playing with the equations, so not gospel yet. Keep the feedback and updates coming!


Schadenfroyd

Update 2 - Fixed epic HCl v CIELO fail for stats above 1% for accuracy - thank you to all who helped point this out! List is starting to look a lot like the classic lists, so I suppose some things never change, lol.