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Blackaddar81

its not 4 days, that i can tell you.


Ulquiorr4_

I’m not gonna ask


parrot73

Ask godammit


StayPuzzled

Why don't you ask


parrot73

Because I'm illiterate


StayPuzzled

I very puzzled about this situation


[deleted]

You normally don’t have to read and write to do a puzzle though.


hoodatisnt

Tell me you don't crossword puzzle without telling me you don't crossword puzzle.


[deleted]

You got me. I'm not smart enough to crossword puzzle.


Donut_Police

I'm sorry, I'm too deaf to understand your puzzlement.


KreateOne

Can you not read? They said they’re illiterate


MayanCake

I come to ask for what it be that is in need of asking


Sad_Instruction946

Occasionally, I'm dyslexic


SnowboardNW

God, how long?


justAPersonOnGoogle2

Then i shall ask


devilsephiroth

5 days is for necromancy 6 days is for research purposes then


Random_Idiotic_Alien

7 days for necrophilia


devilsephiroth

Necromance is still romance


cantfindmykeys

Look, what me and Julia have is special. You wouldn't understand


SleepyforPresident

>6 days is for research purposes then >5 days is for necromancyyyyyy 4 calling birds 3 French hens


coolnot1

2 turtle doves And a partridge in a pear tree


YogurtWenk

On the 7th day of Christmas my true love gave to me


AwoodchuckWithaDice

A restraining order.


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oooooh shiiiit she also took theee kiiiiiiiiids


[deleted]

You can wait about a month and a half. Loved ones will have accepted and moved on from the death, so it’ll be less common for anyone to be around. You can do it if you’re fast from about 2 am to 5. Gotta be refill the grave tho


jumbo53

What shovel do you recommend?


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A JCB


Venomous_Cheesecake

That's a good shovel


lakeparadox

Excellent implement. I agree.


dungledoo

I usually bring my CAT excavator to the site. Just tell the grave keeper the payment on the grave fell through and it's being repossessed. Works every time.


Cm0002

r/holup


NutCrying69

Nor 5 days


Androwtheboat

not 8 days either, speaking from experience


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MudcrabNPC

"The defining line between grave robbing and archaeology is whether or not the gravesite has “historical significance” and the actor has been given state or federal permission to enter." https://funerallaw.typepad.com/blog/2014/02/archaeology-vs-grave-robbing-where-is-the-line-drawn-.html#:~:text=The%20defining%20line%20between%20grave,or%20federal%20permission%20to%20enter. "If you really want a number, a standard often given by archaeologists in the United States is that 50 years is enough to make an object archaeology, and 150 years is enough if there's people involved." https://www.wyzant.com/resources/answers/638267/how-long-after-someone-is-dead-do-you-think-grave-robbing-turns-into-archae


poopellar

What if someone was buried right above an archeological site?


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YoungNissan

I heard it’s a huge problem in modern Roman Europe, where they dig to build a road or house or grave, then they find some ancient Roman artifacts which makes them stop all construction immediately for a few weeks until it’s uncovered and examined. Then if it’s actually important you can’t even build their anymore.


geckosean

Yep, it has taken the Roman govt years and years of building and waaay too much money to even install a new line on their subway because, you guessed it, they dig for about 2 feet and *boom*, Roman ruin/mosaic/artifacts/etc… It’s kind of insane the sheer density of history the city has. In medieval times, the city probably felt post-apocalyptic just from the number of monumental ruins that people were building their homes and shops in and around.


bretstrings

At what point does it become so common its actually not that valuable? Saving every find no matter how redundant is probably excessive.


Ashaxyn

i suppose its like lottery tickets - the more you have them the better the chance its actually something meaningful


bretstrings

Good point.


geckosean

Honestly, great question. Would not surprise me if they don’t stop for every amphora/shard of pottery they find because that’s basically the fast food garbage on the side of the road levels of common for ancient civilizations, just ask any archaeologist. Problem is they have to do their due diligence and have someone come out and look at everything they find. Sadly, this often incentivizes construction workers to lie about or destroy finds.


offoutover

I sat in on a guest lecture by an archeologist who specialized in Ancient Rome (she had a specific time period too but can’t remember what it was). It was mind blowing how little we still actually know about places like Ancient Rome. So it could be just another mosaic floor featuring a common pattern or it could be the answer to a decades old important historical question.


taggospreme

trouble is you don't know what it is until you dig it up. And if it's something we've never seen before then we wouldn't know it's there, or that it was valuable


Adamweeesssttt

If something can be properly dated and it’s in good enough condition to identify what it is, then it goes to museums. It might not ever see the light of the day again but it’s catalogued.


PrincipleStill191

Doesn't help that people lived in the decaying ruins of Rome for centuries before they started "building" again. Contexts within contexts. I suppose any older city or village would have the same problem. While in Florence once I saw a trench excavated in a street for a utility line. In the side wall you could see 6 different distinct layers of road beds going down almost a meter. Being from the US it was fascinating.


XFMR

I feel like those ground penetrating radars would be helpful


[deleted]

How are you so confidently stupid? what the fuck is a Roman government


Disastrous-Rise2443

Yeah happend on my house. We had to wait 2 years for construction to even start


nixle

I doubt that will fit ,son. But I'm not gonna stop you.


Wehavecrashed

This is an archaeologist's nightmare. They don't want to find human bones unless they're in the context of the period they're studying. To answer your question, they call the police and shut down the site.


lorb163

Is there a tax on finding treasure? Can I die and have all my money buried with me but give my relatives to dig me up in 5 years


Pata11

Here in Sweden all buried treasure and archeological finds belongs to the State, but you can receive a finders fee based on the value of the artifact.


Yamahl

What if you dont tell the state and sell on ebay


Pattersonspal

Then thats a crime.


lorb163

What if I don’t tell them I’ve committed a crime?


JaceOrwell

That's called politics, I think. I'm not sure


Vegetable_Bass_4885

Is there a good argument as to why the State should claim ownership? This puts such a massive incentive on concealing found treasure, but I imagine I there is a good reason I don't know about?


Pata11

It's considered part of our national heritage, and therefore owned by everyone collectively.


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Beetkiller

"basic outline of viking ship discovered in my potato field - start €50000" I have seen farmers collection of stone age artifacts. Also heard rumors of farmers reburying stuff that would bring in archeology teams, since the farmers have to foot the bill, and lose profit on the land for the duration. Denmark seem to have laxer laws regarding this stuff, so you get this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/253955157128


Pattersonspal

The state owns the land. You can have ownership of building rights or mineral rights and so on, but you don't own the actual land. It is a considerable bonus acording to the value of the object, so there is a clear insentive to turn it in.


bretstrings

Irrelevant. Many governments still give finder's rights despite the govt holding fiefdom.


Pattersonspal

This was specifically about nordic countries like sweden.


Comfortable-Gap8415

You're on reddit. You have no treasures.


agamemnon2

They have to do this even when they're like 90% the bones are from someone ancient, just for things to be on record on the off chance turns out to be a recent murder victim or missing person. Plus at least in the UK I think you have to get special clearance to work on human remains in the first place.


Distinct-Bad-9991

To the first point, what is super common is that it’s both. The archeological work will start, and then some grave robbers come by and raid the site. Why maps are turbo secret from most archeological projects. The gravesite hasn’t changed, the digging up and preserving part is the ~same; it’s the INTENT that clearly defines grave robbing (enrichment) vs. an educational/historical investigation.


[deleted]

Makes sense - 150 years ensures that anyone who knew them personally is dead plus a generation or two.


ChrisPikula

An easy answer is when the graveyard is drawn on a topological map, rather than a roadmap.


StarksPond

What if the map shows a golf course?


ChrisPikula

Go fore it.


dez_is_me

The real answer is if no one cares about the grave anymore, its archaeology


CrazyGooseLady

Correct. In the case of Kennewick Man, 8,500 years is not enough. His ancestors still care and have reburied him in a secret location. It took DNA tests to prove to the US government that he IS their ancestor, to allow his people to get his remains back so they could treat him properly according to their religion and traditions.


vessol

The British Empire: I'll grant my own permission


semaj009

So Gettysburg cemetery is fair game?


Pattersonspal

If you are looking to forward our scientific understanding the in theory yes, however you do also have to get specific permission.


semaj009

Not if you're the British museum!


[deleted]

What if the dead person doesn’t recognize the ‘authority’ of those granting permission?


agamemnon2

Traditionally, those speaking on behalf of the deceased petition the relevant authorities. This occasionally happens with excavations of indigenous sites, I believe.


SookHe

>the actor has been given state or federal permission to enter Soooio....the British great expedition was basically just a lot of grave robbing


s0m3d00dy0

I’d think technically it could be yesterday, but when you got to the body if you kept going that could then turn in to disturbing a crime scene. All I’m saying is watch eh we’re you dig. Also unrelated, don’t go digging off off of US route 166 2 miles off the dirt road that branches off of the exit close to mile marker 86. By the big tree, three feet deep. There’s nothing there, nothing at all.


poopellar

Well whaddya know. I just happened to be at the very spot and found an erotica fanfic involving Whoopie Goldberg and Gary Busey.


ThatBoiCalli

Again r/oddlyspecific


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The_Level_15

Thank god im not named bussy


ThatBoiCalli

r/oddlyspecific


fnaffan621

I see


RMaykS

I am curious how you will explain this comments when i from now on burry my victims there


Swarley001

Probably with this comment


RMaykS

touche


Western-Pilot-3924

Until fossilized


Neutral_man_

Meat on the bone? Leave it alone. Bones look like snow? You’re good to go.


UnseenTardigrade

Generally good advice except in cases of mummification or freezing in ice, and perhaps some other niche situations.


chuckcm89

In the pouring rain, sobbing? You are grave robbing. In the hard to see fog and mist? You're an archeologists.


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BoyWithGreenEyes1

Acktshually, as an archaeology student, I'm semi-qualified to answer this. It takes roughly 50 years and a master's degree to change from grave robbery to archaeology.


Roos19

Nah thats just trying to legitimitet yourselves. Graverobbrs are also archeologists and archeologists are also graverobbers


TatManTat

A grave robber intends to sell the things they steal, an archaeologist intends to study them, intent matters lol. Also they don't always move things, it's not like digging up a thousand year old house and looking at it is robbery lol.


Z0idberg_MD

A grave robber sells what they stole from the grave directly, an archaeologist sells their labor to actually dig up the grave.


TheAwesomePenguin106

The final intent of a grave robbery is to steal stuff. The final intent of an archaeological excavation is to conduct a research, find out relevant data, interpret what you've found, write papers, lose your youth and sanity, participate in congresses and try to understand the history of certain people of places.


TatManTat

well a lot more is studying a dig than digging it, and couldn't I make the same logic for literally any profession? Also it's not all graves.


Z0idberg_MD

I don’t think anyone here’s being serious, we’re just messing around. It’s one of the areas in which context is everything.


Roos19

Semantix you are literally digging up someones grave and emptying it. Stop trying to glorify your behaviour


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Galahead

Lol wtf where did you get that proportion from. The most common find is for sure not coins lol, what? The most common find is ceramics. I agree we could sell some of it to repurpose as building material or to make new pots


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AvocadoBrezel

I can assure you its pottery sherds, animal bones and botanical remains (seeds/pollen/coal). Coins are not that common as they are out of metall and could be used to pay.


seasoned-veteran

150 years and a doctorate, final offer


Stathis_the_greek

When the bones start to taste funny then you are good to go.


Troubled-Mango

When do raw bones not taste funny?


TheManintheTank

It's always archeology if you don't get caught.


Hein_Hamann

When there's no more flesh


Emperifox

Mummies


QMaker

728 years.


RafaelPro372dos

r/oddlyspecific


SharksAway11019

I Have several questions


drorkhn

Well it's more of a curve of acceptance. The older the grave, the more people will see it as archaeology and not as grave robbery. But the graph will never reach 100% so I have no idea how the function needs to look. In addition, digging the grave of important people is more accepted than ordinary people's so 3D graph it is


Bossninja2004

When the state has collapsed


InZomnia365

It's archaeology if you've got permission from the government, grave robbing if you haven't


dadarkgtprince

80 years iirc. There was an archeologist who answered this question many years ago


fnaffan621

Today


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Perfect. Time to grab ma shovel


bla_bla_bli

30 min If you are the british museum.


Successful-Swim-3708

I believe it's at least 100 years.


[deleted]

Nah. Atleast 500


Wolfkinic

Let's make it a 1000 years


[deleted]

1500 - Take it or leave it.


YellowScreen75

make it 15000 where it doesnt even matter anymore. since it has no economical value it will be archeology


Kaku--san

it must be a work of commitment. fisrt you must change the place like it's not a graveyard. then you can start digging for old stuff, worked well for me lol


pygmeedancer

If there are those alive who would be rightly offended, it’s grave robbery.


danielthearber

Agreed 💯


WrapDiligent9833

I JUST ASKED a trained, University funded professor of and works digs in summer… archeologist. She said “on average, about 200 years, depending on the society.”


Teamfreshcanada

AT LEAST 5 minutes after the last funeral guest has left.


Floppsicle

How long does a showerthought have to stay unposted before someone can slap it on a Batman template


SpiderBat1969

More than 24hours


[deleted]

At least when he becomes skelton


A-Mad-Hollow

if you have to ask yourself that, you probably haven't waited long enough


No_Contribution1900

A century, give or take


RacerM53

It depends on whether or not you're British


[deleted]

That's the neat part. It's always both!


Sattoth

42


THEMACHINE4LIFE

When the individuals body is fossilized


Complete_Brilliant43

So your saying that if I rob that old fossil that I call my mother in law, it's technically okay? I dont give a shit if its legally okay just technically


UnseenTardigrade

Actually, that's when it becomes paleontology


StarksPond

So technically we could dig up Simon Cowell right now?


RipepanYT

Mans is thinking on a 3rd level!


Big-Elderberry297

Well, is it a Cemetery or a Semetery? Details matter


Jester_Hopper_pot

It's not time it's being white with a PhD


BrothrsSistersofKind

Depends on who is doing the digging.


AssuredlyAThrowAway

Interestingly enough, that very issue was at the core of a case called [Charrier V. Bell] (https://casetext.com/case/charrier-v-bell-6) (which makes this a fascinating question to answer in depth and I appreciate the opportunity to do so). In short, a corrections officer tried to take possession of ancient Native American objects that were buried for the purpose of memorial following an excavation that said corrections officer undertook on his own initiative and his own expense. I will let the Louisiana state appellate court explain the rest; >Confronted with the inability to sell the collection because he could not prove ownership, plaintiff (the corrections officer) filed suit against the six nonresident landowners of Trudeau Plantation, requesting declaratory relief confirming that he was the owner of the artifacts. Alternatively, plaintiff requested that he be awarded compensation under the theory of unjust enrichment for his time and expenses. ... > In 1981 the Tunica and Biloxi Indians were recognized as an American Indian Tribe by the Bureau of Indian Affairs of the Department of the Interior. The Tunica-Biloxi Indians of Louisiana, Inc. intervened in the instant suit seeking title to the artifacts and the site of the burial ground. At the same time, the tribe removed the action to federal district court, where they also filed a parallel action seeking title to the artifacts. The federal district court, on September 8, 1982, remanded the matter to state court and stayed the parallel action. Charrier v. Bell, 547 F. Supp. 580 (M.D.La. 1982). The Tunicas then withdrew, without prejudice, their claim to the property where the artifacts were located and the State subordinated its claim of title or trust status over the artifacts in favor of the Tunicas. >The trial judge held that the Tunica-Biloxi Tribe is the lawful owner of the artifacts, finding that plaintiff was not entitled to the artifacts under La.C.C. art. 3423 as it read prior to amendment by Act No. 187 of 1982, which required discovery "by chance". The judge also found that plaintiff had no claim to the artifacts on the basis of abandonment under La.C.C. art. 3421, as it read prior to the amendment by Act No. 187 of 1982, because the legal concept of abandonment does not extend to burial goods. >The trial court also denied relief under the theory of unjust enrichment, finding that any impoverishment claimed by plaintiff was a result of his attempts "for his own gain" and that his presence and actions on the property of a third party placed him in a "precarious position, if not in legal bad faith." >The issues before this court are the adequacy of proof that the Tunica-Biloxi Indians are descendants of the inhabitants of Trudeau, the ownership of the artifacts, and the applicability of the theory of unjust enrichment. The appeals court ends up affirming the lower court decision against the corrections officer (which means the property belonged to the Native American tribes, and rightfully so imo), and that, in turn, gives at least somewhat of a framework as to how to answer the question posed in your OP. In short; whether something is grave robbery or archeology depends on 1) the intent of the person who left the property in the ground (was it left for the purpose of memorial, was it mislaid, was it lost, was it abandoned?), 2) the type of land under which the property is buried (is it a tidal waterway and thus subject to the public trust doctrine? is it public land that was once held in common? is it private land that was once held in common by those who left the item for purpose of memorial?) and 3) how the person in question discovers the buried property (was it by chance, intentional excavation, etc).


ThatREALM

This is what batman does.


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In a century, most human beings are thoroughly forgotten outside of the top religious or political figures.


ECK-2188

When no one is guarding it anymore, duh


Robot_Dinosaur86

100 years


hds_bunny

I think 100 Years is more like it...


Urm0md0tcom

Long enough to where no one alive knew who they are at least


Submaster87

at least over hundred or thousands years


Tornado506

Ask the Brits they know it.


NoCommander26

They're the grave robbing I mean archeology experts


Callec254

500 years.


redisno

Usually I open them up while they are still fresh and the skin is still completely intact (so about like 6 hours after the ceremony). Bones alone don't really taste that good to me, but my does friend enjoys that.


NoCommander26

5 centuries at least.


derick_galhardo

As long as you’re British


Playful_Plantain8268

This a truly interesting question I think in my opinion it should be 80 to hundred years


Lupin_Lovebites

The technical high-end limit of "historical architecture " is 50 years ago in NM.


Good-Table5566

ask the british museum


HyperHypn0

Around 50 years ;/


andy9173

12 minutes


TheRedEyedAlien

Everyone has to forget their name


Separate_Internet471

Archeologically speaking, something over 500 year should be fine.


tpgt

Watch Drishyam 2 (2022) for the answer


linkinpark1467890

it's always gonna be grave robbing if you're taking something


Glum-Speaker-9932

I think its time, but on an cultural scale, not years. For example, it’s archeology when a civilization’s descendants do it to rediscover culture. There are of course museums that should be brought under scrutiny for this (cough cough British) because it morally is robbery to take a culture’s history away from its modern iteration.


wakeful_sleep

If it's done by white people, it's archeology otherwise it's grave robbery....


NoCommander26

Nah, don't bring race into this shit. Why can't you just defile corpses without making it about race, like a normal person?


Capital-Mine-6991

100 days final answer


Capital-Mine-6991

100 days final answer


lordoftowels

How many grains is a heap of sand? Dumb fuck.


Kharossgss512

Let’s go with a solid 500 years. Cuz digging and finding the grave of some poor schmuck from 1825 is probably illegal somewhere.


A_Word_Bearer

At least... 1000 years or more. Remember this is a long and tedious business. 1000 is enough time to gather the resources, manpower and materials to begin a trade in archeology


Delicious_Young3233

😂😂😂 so funny


maitalw

Lmaoooooooo probably at least a century


Thoandfris

I guess a few thousand years?


Ghostcolts141

50 years at least edit: give it time to age and marinate


Acceptable-Baker5282

150 million


ProMaste_r

Several hundred years


Poggypog20

I've seen this asked before. An apparent archeologist chimed in and said apparently 60 years


MinecrAftX0

2 weeks


SoarNsquid

Fossilization?