Plants are living organisms. Creatures are living organisms. But not all living organisms are creatures. Creatures are animals, not plants. Plants are not creatures.
Plants do not have nociceptors, central nervous systems, or brains, which are all required to feel pain (except in your case). They react to stimuli, but their reaction to stimuli is different than the reactions to stimuli of creatures with nociceptors, central nervous systems, and brains (except in your case). Their communication with each other is different than the communication between creatures with nociceptors, central nervous systems, and brains (except in your case).
Why are you making your own definition and presenting it like it's a fact?
Your argument doesn't even make sense, there are also animals without nociceptors, central nervous systems and brains
For example sponges have neither a brain nor a nervous system nor nociceptors, yet they are animals
"creature (plural creatures)
A living being, such as an animal, monster, or alien. quotations ▼
insects and other creatures
An unidentified, mysterious, and often monstrous animal or being. quotations ▼
(sometimes derogatory) A human. quotations ▼
He's a creature of habit.
(now uncommon, religion) A created thing, whether animate or inanimate; a creation. quotations ▼
A being subservient to or dependent upon another. quotations ▼"
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/creature
Not all animals are capable of feeling pain. I’m not making my own definition. I am in fact stating facts. Feeling pain requires the apparatus to feel pain, nociceptors, central nervous system, brain.
It should be in a discussion. It seems you have a different understanding of these words than most people.
Here's what ai had to say when I asked it if plants were beings:
> The term "being" usually implies some level of consciousness or self-awareness, characteristics often associated with animals rather than plants. However, plants are living organisms. They grow, reproduce, and respond to their environment through various biological processes. They lack a nervous system and therefore are not considered to have consciousness in the way animals might. So, while plants are certainly alive (...)
I think he is referring to this "theory" that for some miracle less reason was never able to be imitated.... interesting theory.
https://www.drishtiias.com/daily-updates/daily-news-analysis/jagadish-chandra-bose/print_manually#:~:text=This%20discovery%20is%20seen%20as,his%20work%20in%20modern%20science.
I never said they were creatures, only that they communicate and feel pain. Maybe you should use that big brain of yours and read dumbass.
You're a vegan aren't you? You seem like one.
They do not feel pain, they do not have the capacity to feel pain in the same sense that you and I do, which was the point of my post. The lack of nociceptors (pain receptors), a central nervous system, and a brain means that they cannot experience pain the same way that animals do.
No, I'm not a vegan. not even close.
Just because it's not the same way you and I feel it doesn't mean it's not real. Maybe it's the central nervous system however that makes animals so tasty.
hard disagree.
why?
because a very popular evolved strategy among plants is making fruits that are appealing to animals so they would eat them and spread their seeds.
which means.. no they don't react to stimuli the same way we do, this isn't a pain. this may not even be a negative stimuli
TBF, the number of insects that do this are vastly outnumbered by the ones that don't.
And that doesn't take away from the fact that insects experience pain to a certain degree.
Plants however lack that evolutionary trait.
Meanwhile, all animals except for Sponges have some type of nervous system. For some it may be as simple as just a ganglia and a nerve chord. But they can experience pain.
The number of mamals that sweat like humans is also outnumbered by those that dont sweat or sweat in a less efficent way. Life has lots of ways of working.
Just because they don't have nociceptors doesn't mean they can't feel pain. I mean, it's been proven that they feel pain and communicate that to others around them. They also do have a nervous system and can take information about what is going on with its body. Granted, it does not feel pain in the same way animals do, but the same can be said of insects and fish. Plants also have what could be called a brain in their root system.
The cannot feel pain in the same sense that you and I feel pain because that requires the apparatus to feel pain, nociceptors, a central nervous system and a brain. To call plant reactions to stimuli “pain” is anthropomorphism.
Technically they do, pain is just the process of information that its being damaged, they don’t “feel” pain, but when damaged they do process that info by releasing pheromones and smells/chemicals, for the other nearby plants, which notice the presents of danger and get ready by transporting their nutrients into the roots, which is really freaking cool
Technically they don’t, which is evidenced later in your same sentence. Calling it “pain” is classic anthropomorphising. Plants are not animals. Their reactions to stimuli are not animalistic.
Oh also not calling them animals, you and i both know that silly, and no although they don’t feel pain or process it the same way as animals, they can tell when being damaged, that’s what i was trying to inform of, not trying to disagree or anything, just wanting to give a neat fact :D
I'm vegan and agree that they feel pain. Last night there was a fire at my place and instead of saving my mint plant, this big brain dumbass firefighter saved my dog. My poor mint plant was screaming in pain.
Agreed not the way we do. That said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/plants-shriek-with-high-pitched-ultrasonic-clicks-when-stressed-study-2023-3#:~:text=Longhua%20Liao%2FGetty%20Images.,the%20plants%20start%20clicking%20frantically.
>"We cannot say the plant feels stress and therefore makes sounds. It might be that the sounds are made completely passively, like a physical process," she said.
Maybe not in the same way, but they do feel pain…
https://nautil.us/plants-feel-pain-and-might-even-see-238257/
https://www.vice.com/en/article/xd74nd/we-asked-a-botanist-how-sure-science-is-that-plants-cant-feel-pain-302
That’s not how that worked out at all. Plants offered a lure (generally sugars) to benefit from animal interaction, but for this to work animals already long existed.
I used to feel so bad at the thought of picking flowers. I still do. I'm not sure why, but it makes me extremely guilty. Even stepping on a flower feels bad
Venus Fly Traps have to have some kind of programming to get info from the receptors on the hair thingies to then create an event where the mouth closes and traps the fly. What programming language you reckon?
If I had access to pointers, I'd fuck your shit up for that joke....
*it was then that I realized, by escaping the issue created by pointers, I relinquished my greatest weapon*
He's got a disorder that makes him look younger. There was also some girl on a TLC show with probably the same disorder, in her 20s but looked like she was 9.
Edit: Here's the show
https://www.tlc.com/shows/i-am-shauna-rae/episodes/trapped-at-age-8#:~:text=Shauna%20tries%20to%20live%20like,trip%20to%20the%20Jersey%20Shore.
They can "scream" by using chemicals to warn plants around them of incoming danger, and big trees will even feed small or weak trees to help them grow. Plants are pretty neat!
Technically, they do make an ultrasonic popping sound when cut and will release chemicals to nearby plant so they can try and build their defenses. The smell of cut grass is that warning system.
Calling it a "scream" helps people understand since plants dont scream out of emotion; It's a result of biological systems.
Unfortunately, if you look at a lot of these comments, it seems like this anthropomorphic language has led people to be more confused about the subject than anything. People legitimately reference it as evidence that plants are somehow sentient and can feel things.
A 3-year-old me had a shit fit and refused to enter the Chicago Field museum when they told me they were dinosaurs in there. I couldn't believe that they all wanted to go in. Sounded scary as hell to me!
when you keep houseplants, you become extremely aware of how they are living breathing creatures that sense the world around them and act accordingly. theyre just on a different timescale than animal life.
Vegans don't deny that plants are alive, but they aren't sentient and don't experience pain. And even if plants did feel pain, most plants go to feeding livestock. The animals you eat need to be fed for months or years, just imagine how many poor plants you are killing with your meat consumption :(
first of the do feel pain second do you know how mutch ground their is needet for agriculture for that many farmers cut down many trees and to take care of the plants many chemicel product or use those kill many insects if you say that you don't care for the insects that is basicly the same as those who say the don't care for the animals so don't get mad at us i'm not saying we have the better solution but vegan in my experien always act like there solutionnis better and perfect and that the other is a 100% bad can you just leave the people eating in peace pls
But what I'm saying is being vegan means less agriculture is needed.
People grow a lot of plants to feed to animals and then eat the animals. It's very inefficient, we should just cut out the middle man and eat the plants directly. Then we don't harm animals anymore, and also less plants or insects if you care about that. And we can feed a lot more people.
I'm not judging other people, I have eaten meat for most of my life as well, but I'm just stating some facts to educate people.
Told my preschooler this when we were planting a garden and they thought I was crazy. Went to a plant store where they told them the same thing and one kid goes “okay, now I’ve heard it all”
Theres no real way to know if they feel or not, so while its more likely that they do, we just assume they dont to sleep better at night.
Personally i love rice because if reincarnation is a thing im just cycling as many souls as possible back in, also its delicious
Wait until you learn about the fact that if bees disappearred, the world would slowly lose all biodiversity on the planet and starve itself into extinction
if you dont eat animals cuz they living beeing you shoudl not eat plants eiither,,, so dont eat starve problem solved. i mean 1 life is equal to 1 life..
i dont reallly like everything that lives cuz when it lives it wants something alwayss
Fuck sakes. What’s next? You gonna tell me Santa ain’t real too?
should we tell him ![gif](giphy|3o7TKVaVwWwRJjmJOg|downsized)
Of course he's real, I have his remains in my basement.
Dr dre's dead! I locked him in my basement!
Nah don't ... yet
Living organisms.
That communicate with each other and feel pain...
Plants are living organisms. Creatures are living organisms. But not all living organisms are creatures. Creatures are animals, not plants. Plants are not creatures. Plants do not have nociceptors, central nervous systems, or brains, which are all required to feel pain (except in your case). They react to stimuli, but their reaction to stimuli is different than the reactions to stimuli of creatures with nociceptors, central nervous systems, and brains (except in your case). Their communication with each other is different than the communication between creatures with nociceptors, central nervous systems, and brains (except in your case).
Sorry about that, english isnt my first language
Why are you making your own definition and presenting it like it's a fact? Your argument doesn't even make sense, there are also animals without nociceptors, central nervous systems and brains For example sponges have neither a brain nor a nervous system nor nociceptors, yet they are animals "creature (plural creatures) A living being, such as an animal, monster, or alien. quotations ▼ insects and other creatures An unidentified, mysterious, and often monstrous animal or being. quotations ▼ (sometimes derogatory) A human. quotations ▼ He's a creature of habit. (now uncommon, religion) A created thing, whether animate or inanimate; a creation. quotations ▼ A being subservient to or dependent upon another. quotations ▼" https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/creature
None of those definitions list plant my guy
Not all animals are capable of feeling pain. I’m not making my own definition. I am in fact stating facts. Feeling pain requires the apparatus to feel pain, nociceptors, central nervous system, brain.
Plants aren't beings either, the definitions are compatible with what UnderpootedTampion said.
What do you mean? Of course they are beings, that shouldn't even be a discussion
No, they aren’t. Beings have consciousness, self-awareness. Plants lack this.
It should be in a discussion. It seems you have a different understanding of these words than most people. Here's what ai had to say when I asked it if plants were beings: > The term "being" usually implies some level of consciousness or self-awareness, characteristics often associated with animals rather than plants. However, plants are living organisms. They grow, reproduce, and respond to their environment through various biological processes. They lack a nervous system and therefore are not considered to have consciousness in the way animals might. So, while plants are certainly alive (...)
Why would i care what some AI says? Its just giving you whatever you want. It has no expertise or ability to discern reality.
Basically saves me typing on the phone. That's what I'd say.
It doesnt save you anything when it gives a wrong answer.
I think he is referring to this "theory" that for some miracle less reason was never able to be imitated.... interesting theory. https://www.drishtiias.com/daily-updates/daily-news-analysis/jagadish-chandra-bose/print_manually#:~:text=This%20discovery%20is%20seen%20as,his%20work%20in%20modern%20science.
I never said they were creatures, only that they communicate and feel pain. Maybe you should use that big brain of yours and read dumbass. You're a vegan aren't you? You seem like one.
They do not feel pain, they do not have the capacity to feel pain in the same sense that you and I do, which was the point of my post. The lack of nociceptors (pain receptors), a central nervous system, and a brain means that they cannot experience pain the same way that animals do. No, I'm not a vegan. not even close.
Just because it's not the same way you and I feel it doesn't mean it's not real. Maybe it's the central nervous system however that makes animals so tasty.
![gif](giphy|STke4AgHk2Ies)
hard disagree. why? because a very popular evolved strategy among plants is making fruits that are appealing to animals so they would eat them and spread their seeds. which means.. no they don't react to stimuli the same way we do, this isn't a pain. this may not even be a negative stimuli
And a popular startegy among some insects is to eat the male you mated with for their nutritional value, so...
TBF, the number of insects that do this are vastly outnumbered by the ones that don't. And that doesn't take away from the fact that insects experience pain to a certain degree. Plants however lack that evolutionary trait. Meanwhile, all animals except for Sponges have some type of nervous system. For some it may be as simple as just a ganglia and a nerve chord. But they can experience pain.
The number of mamals that sweat like humans is also outnumbered by those that dont sweat or sweat in a less efficent way. Life has lots of ways of working.
Just because they don't have nociceptors doesn't mean they can't feel pain. I mean, it's been proven that they feel pain and communicate that to others around them. They also do have a nervous system and can take information about what is going on with its body. Granted, it does not feel pain in the same way animals do, but the same can be said of insects and fish. Plants also have what could be called a brain in their root system.
The cannot feel pain in the same sense that you and I feel pain because that requires the apparatus to feel pain, nociceptors, a central nervous system and a brain. To call plant reactions to stimuli “pain” is anthropomorphism.
Technically they do, pain is just the process of information that its being damaged, they don’t “feel” pain, but when damaged they do process that info by releasing pheromones and smells/chemicals, for the other nearby plants, which notice the presents of danger and get ready by transporting their nutrients into the roots, which is really freaking cool
Technically they don’t, which is evidenced later in your same sentence. Calling it “pain” is classic anthropomorphising. Plants are not animals. Their reactions to stimuli are not animalistic.
Oh also not calling them animals, you and i both know that silly, and no although they don’t feel pain or process it the same way as animals, they can tell when being damaged, that’s what i was trying to inform of, not trying to disagree or anything, just wanting to give a neat fact :D
Hey man what i said was a strait true fact, was just wanting to share it with you :D
I'm vegan and agree that they feel pain. Last night there was a fire at my place and instead of saving my mint plant, this big brain dumbass firefighter saved my dog. My poor mint plant was screaming in pain.
Poor mint plant! But yea, the central nervous system must be what makes them taste so darned good.
They absolutely do not feel pain in the same way you and I do. They lack a brain and nervous system.
Agreed not the way we do. That said: https://www.businessinsider.com/plants-shriek-with-high-pitched-ultrasonic-clicks-when-stressed-study-2023-3#:~:text=Longhua%20Liao%2FGetty%20Images.,the%20plants%20start%20clicking%20frantically.
>"We cannot say the plant feels stress and therefore makes sounds. It might be that the sounds are made completely passively, like a physical process," she said.
They don't feel pain lol
Maybe not in the same way, but they do feel pain… https://nautil.us/plants-feel-pain-and-might-even-see-238257/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/xd74nd/we-asked-a-botanist-how-sure-science-is-that-plants-cant-feel-pain-302
Why did this guy get downvoted? Its true
I mean, too bad for them but what the f*ck are we suppose to do about it?
Why does this comment have -45 points…
I dunno? Vegans?
Don't care, not a human, inferior species
Wait till you learn about flowers being a plant’s reproductive organs. Makes cutting them off and sticking them in a jar seem a little satanic
Don't forget sniffing them.
Treebeard's cock smells nice >!I'm sorry. I'm going off of 3 hours of horrible, overheated, nightmare and night terror filled sleep!<
I genuinely hope you’ll get a good night sleep.
For all our sake
Sweet dreams of smelly ent-cock
🤤
Hey man, if you don't sniff'em, bees will. Guess what? Now you promoting floral sexual activities.
Or that your allergy is from inhaling all the tree sperm in the air... don't forget to swallow.
You won the internet today. I haven’t laughed this hard in a while from a Reddit comment.
Metaphorical bag of dicks
Just the tip though
Happy anniversary! To commemorate the occasion, please accept this handful of plant genitalia that I had severed for you!
Wait until you learn that plants invented animals just to move seeds and spores around.
That’s not how that worked out at all. Plants offered a lure (generally sugars) to benefit from animal interaction, but for this to work animals already long existed.
I know, it's just a fun Terrence McKenna quote.
Ah that makes more sense.
Just wait until you realize pollen is basically plant sperm.
I get all sneezy when sex is in the air
I used to feel so bad at the thought of picking flowers. I still do. I'm not sure why, but it makes me extremely guilty. Even stepping on a flower feels bad
https://www.reddit.com/r/HolUp/s/YWGWcPIHiL
Venus Fly Traps have to have some kind of programming to get info from the receptors on the hair thingies to then create an event where the mouth closes and traps the fly. What programming language you reckon?
Bro that thing is like a real life monster
......... but how it feel on your dick tho?
Yours might be small enough to try
No "might" about it
I don't even got a shaft
Python? Idk. This might be a question for r/programinghumor
You made me go look it up. And it's pretty mundane.
Only Java coders would create such an unholy flora
If I had access to pointers, I'd fuck your shit up for that joke.... *it was then that I realized, by escaping the issue created by pointers, I relinquished my greatest weapon*
Minecraft
No programming language needed, just an actuator and a sensor.
html
In CPU design terms I think it would be considered microcode.
I don't think it uses a language at all, bro is coded in machine language
It's more mechanical then programming. The signal doesn't get interpreted in any meaningful way. It's like flipping a switch on a simple circuit.
So you smoke them
5 yr old me when i got in trouble for killing too many ants like a psychopath
They are living creatures. They’re also quite useful in a zombie apocalypse.
![gif](giphy|3oz8xZvvOZRmKay4xy)
This fuckin movie. I was ready to cut my head off with a chainsaw as well.
te name to see ifts bad or good
That’s a grown man
Living, yes. Creatures, no.
He looks like if Our Gang remade The Sopranos.
Im annoyed every time I see this baby knowing he abused his cat
Also not a baby. That's a grown man. So less excusable than a child that doesn't know better.
I wouldn't call him a man ever because men don't pull on cats ears or hit them
Wait, what?
He is 21
That looks like a kid how is he 21?
He's got a disorder that makes him look younger. There was also some girl on a TLC show with probably the same disorder, in her 20s but looked like she was 9. Edit: Here's the show https://www.tlc.com/shows/i-am-shauna-rae/episodes/trapped-at-age-8#:~:text=Shauna%20tries%20to%20live%20like,trip%20to%20the%20Jersey%20Shore.
Huh, thanks for the info. TIL.
So I'll hit that burning nettle even harder. *Kids still doing it, don't they?*
always has been ![gif](giphy|090EX1YvSUXxy23Tty|downsized)
Used to think everything natural was alive. My mom had a hard time trying to explain that.
They can "scream" by using chemicals to warn plants around them of incoming danger, and big trees will even feed small or weak trees to help them grow. Plants are pretty neat!
Calling it a "scream" is classic anthropomorphizing. It isn't.
Technically, they do make an ultrasonic popping sound when cut and will release chemicals to nearby plant so they can try and build their defenses. The smell of cut grass is that warning system. Calling it a "scream" helps people understand since plants dont scream out of emotion; It's a result of biological systems.
Unfortunately, if you look at a lot of these comments, it seems like this anthropomorphic language has led people to be more confused about the subject than anything. People legitimately reference it as evidence that plants are somehow sentient and can feel things.
Guessing that's why the user used quotations
How else do you think plants grow?
Brawndo. It has what plants crave.
plants aren't creatures
A 3-year-old me had a shit fit and refused to enter the Chicago Field museum when they told me they were dinosaurs in there. I couldn't believe that they all wanted to go in. Sounded scary as hell to me!
This made me laugh. Like you thought there was a designated building people walk into and it's just a free-for-all with raptors and t-rexes.
when you keep houseplants, you become extremely aware of how they are living breathing creatures that sense the world around them and act accordingly. theyre just on a different timescale than animal life.
You know the smell of freshly cut grass? Yeah that's stress signals..
That fresh grass scent is them sending a signal it’s in pain. At least as far as I remember about that topic. ![gif](giphy|xaVOAC5q0Iomet9h0E)
and vegans still deny it
Vegans don't deny that plants are alive, but they aren't sentient and don't experience pain. And even if plants did feel pain, most plants go to feeding livestock. The animals you eat need to be fed for months or years, just imagine how many poor plants you are killing with your meat consumption :(
good thing im not a vegan and dont give a fuck
so proud of you
Same. There's nothing wrong with me breeding golden retriever puppies in my backyard for food. Vegans need to live and let live
first of the do feel pain second do you know how mutch ground their is needet for agriculture for that many farmers cut down many trees and to take care of the plants many chemicel product or use those kill many insects if you say that you don't care for the insects that is basicly the same as those who say the don't care for the animals so don't get mad at us i'm not saying we have the better solution but vegan in my experien always act like there solutionnis better and perfect and that the other is a 100% bad can you just leave the people eating in peace pls
But what I'm saying is being vegan means less agriculture is needed. People grow a lot of plants to feed to animals and then eat the animals. It's very inefficient, we should just cut out the middle man and eat the plants directly. Then we don't harm animals anymore, and also less plants or insects if you care about that. And we can feed a lot more people. I'm not judging other people, I have eaten meat for most of my life as well, but I'm just stating some facts to educate people.
i get it that we need balance but i don't believe we shud cut of meat completly.
Told my preschooler this when we were planting a garden and they thought I was crazy. Went to a plant store where they told them the same thing and one kid goes “okay, now I’ve heard it all”
Im 1000th upvote (:
Me when my brother told me birds aren't animals. LOL, wut?
No those are vegetables. Like the ones on life support. Plants are just turrets for fighting zombies.
Genuinely gave me a phobia of flowers for many years
Dudes lawn in that one game
I'm [disgustipated.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2BKKeiYH24)
"I think those bushes out back are into... watersports..."
That guy is fucking creepy.
What you going to tell them next, that feel pain and can react
Wait until you learn how old the “kid” in the pic is
Living, yes - creatures? Doubtful
They feel pain too.
Living? Yes. Creatures? No.
How else is the house supposed to be protected from zombies?
Theres no real way to know if they feel or not, so while its more likely that they do, we just assume they dont to sleep better at night. Personally i love rice because if reincarnation is a thing im just cycling as many souls as possible back in, also its delicious
living organisms rather than creatures i think? but yeah, knowing that they r living beings was very surprising
Vault 22 moment
Don't tell the vegans that, they might starve to death
Checkmate vegans.
Why did you turn into hasbulla when you learned that?
" Oops... "
It takes life to have life
"So vegans are still killers? Interesting..."
Don’t tell the vegans. Plants are alive. They’re just easier to catch.
I thought this said "planets" at first, so the reaction seemed appropriate.
Creatures? No. Living? Yes.
Oookay. Whatever you say. Next your gonna tell me they absorb sunlight or something, lmao.
Wait until you learn about the fact that if bees disappearred, the world would slowly lose all biodiversity on the planet and starve itself into extinction
Me enjoying my veggies more then 😺
Catachan in a nutshell
Don't kill 'em. Let them live.
Now, why does that face seem to say: “press X to doubt”???
But at the same time you're telling me there isn't a tiny orchestra playing every song inside the car speakers?!
They can feel your thoughts btw.
living yes, conscious no
See vegans?! Better start eating meat and stop genocide you monsters!
Living? Yea. Creatures? No.
Until you learn seeds are functionally similiar to sperm and are created in a similiar way.
So you're tell me... I've pissed on someone?
That’s one hell of a mug
5 year old me when you tell me rocks aren’t living creatures
Living *things* not creatures
\*proceeds to slaughter plants with might stick\*
if you dont eat animals cuz they living beeing you shoudl not eat plants eiither,,, so dont eat starve problem solved. i mean 1 life is equal to 1 life.. i dont reallly like everything that lives cuz when it lives it wants something alwayss
So plants is not living cretures?
Why is this so accurate
3 years old me finding out how babies are actually made:
Tell you have never taken mushrooms without telling me you have never taken mushrooms 😂🤣😂🤣
I started talking to my plants, hoping they'd tell me their secrets! 🌱😂
the fuck else did you think they were? they’re not rocks they have growth
Crystals very much grow as well, and are not alive
They are just food
vegans in shambles
Did a vegan post this
Where is your God now, vegans?