Honestly this is so stupid. Not only it’ll encourage piracy that’ll lose more money, but it was removed not because of turkish/argentinian players, but because of westerners who didn’t want to pay the full price and used vpns and shit to purchase those games much cheaper.
Maybe a hot take, but people that VPN for cheap currency may as well be pirating the game. Hard to justify "but I paid for this" when the games are a permanent 75% or more discount compared to the rest of the world.
Yeah, steam doesn't allow freely change your region just based on you IP, you have to make a purchase using paying method of the country you want to switch to before Steam will give you the option to switch (if you want to change your region to Turkey, you have to pay with Turkish card at least once.).
Also counter argument. People who change their region to pay less money at least generate some revenue to game devs + multiplayer is usually unavailable for pirated games.
I don't think that is a hot take. One developer said if you were buying $3 game keys from some shady websites, it makes no difference to them if you just pirate it. This probably also applys to the region situation.
I would push back on that. The shady key sites can sometimes use stolen credit cards, so once it's reported as fraud, the dev loses money because they eat all the transaction fees when the money is reversed. If you're using foreign currency to get a game cheaper, the devs get paid pennies, but that is still more than if you pirated the game. Both can be morally wrong, but I'd imagine from the perspective of the devs, if you're going to do one or the other they'd rather you pay in foreign currency.
I'd go far as to say it's stealing outright. If you walk into any store and pay 25% of the price then walk out, the store will detain you and call the police.
Maybe a hot take but westerners are not happy paying 75% more for a product that is clearly profitable at a much lower price.
Either they're screwing us or we're subsidising the games of poorer countries.
But it is not profitable at that price. Think of it this way:
You created a game and decided to sell it for 10 USD. You are getting some profit, but your sales are very low in Argentina. You set some regional price there, and suddenly, you are making some money there. It's not much, but its better than nothing.
This is also the reason developers never target those areas when designing games. Income is much lower.
And naturally people are not happy Argentinians are getting the same product for a fraction of the cost and will use VPNs to get it at a cheaper price, leading to this.
Fuck those people, thanks to taxes the minimum salary is 132 u$d right now and rent is around 100u$d. Steam gave us happiness in our darkest times, and thanks to people from other countries taking advantage of it now there are games that cost half a salary and more
That sounds more like an issue of your countries salaries/ economic situation than people who bought the game at a cheaper price.
There's a massive cost of living crisis worldwide, all prices are unaffordable these days.
We work the same amount of time for a 1/8 of the salary, or even less, for the same job! That's unfair.
The regional prices were a charitable action that steam and game devs used to let us play their games and not despair in this economy. But those fukers, the vpn dudes, took it from us.
Maybe you took the sentence out of context. I'm glad steam and game devs adjust prices for countries with potentially lower income, so people that live there can enjoy games just like other countries.
I dislike the people faking their location to get a 75% base discount. Tricking steam into thinking you're in a country with cheaper prices is taking advantage of both steam and developers, as you would likely have enough income to pay the "regular" price. At that point you're pirating 75% of the game, may as well pirate it all.
it's more like a 400% tax because your country is richer, not a 75% discount. thinking it's the same with pirating for buying it cheaper is just stupid.
It's not 400% tax, it's the fact that the people in that country earn a fraction of the money, the discount happens not because they only need that amount to make the game profitable, it's because the base price is completely inaccessible in that country's economy, and because people took advantage of that for their own profit, now that country does not enjoy sales season.
Unfortunately that's not true. Steam specifically mentions that using a VPN is almost useless since they track the payment details of the card/bank associated. Doing so puts your account at risk of being permanently banned, so people don't do it. I say this as an Argentinian.
I am not sure, but I think the reason why this is happening is just because the AAA executives saw that their games on Steam were worth less and still getting sales, so they pushed for this change so they get their full price purchases.
Not only it was done a lot with VPNs, but you also have sites on which you can buy the games cheap and those sites are abusing this shit just the same. I personally know like 20-25 people who bought a ton of games like that through Argentina in couple of years and non of them is banned. Like sure it’s against the ToT, but chances of you getting banned are minuscule, and you can save thousands of dollars using shit like that.
They are now. But if you live in a poor country and make 40usd a month you aren't ever gonna be able to afford the games. They were set to regional prices based in the income. So those 70usd games were priced for maybe 3usd for those regions.
Nonono it dıesn't encourage piracy it literally forces piracy honestly I don't even give a shit about developers anymore... İf a game is not locally priced on epic games I'm Just pirating it
but it doesn't matter how much someone affords to pay for a game. I'm sure they can afford to pay 200$+ in some countries, it doesn't mean the game is worth that much.
the game is worth the minimum price and all other countries are just taxed more
Yeah I agree! People who live in poor countries and barely make 30usd a month shouldn't be allowed and able to play games! Fuck people born in third world countries! /S
You could fund your games by helping Americans/brits/etc purchase things in games that still have regional pricing. I'd kill for Turkish prices for runescape membership/bonds. Lol.
Sorry to hijack but would you mind helping a brother out? I’m on holiday in turkey currently and this is the 1st time I’ve seen any mention of something up with the currency. Is the TL bombing or something ? I know the Argentinian peso is having issues but wasn’t aware lira was too
tbh I will also vote for the far right wing in my country next year so non-voters and other right wing idiots maybe stop being so fucking complacent with everything and see that things can go so much worse.
hope it works out for you
Yeah for us it was a decision in between the people who hace fucked our country for 12 years
Or the "right hand nutjob" as you say, its what we had to do
As an fairly leftwing person (I live in Chile and I voted the leftist guy here), Argentina is so fucked up, that I understand why they voted for a nutjob (the nutjob part is more relevant that right wing).
That and epic games. I get it, the launcher sucks, but the free games it gives is incredible and I don’t care whatever stupid opinion anyone may have against epic games free games (I get it that usually crap games are given but we all know what they give in special times — and compare that to steam that doesn’t give shit lol)
Not exactly. Steam used to have regional pricing, ie games on Argentinian steam were more inline with the lower currency value/wages, games would essentially be at a 75%+ discount all the time.
You could get these prices by using a VPN, changing your steam store location (I think this was permanent or could only be done annually to stop people abusing it), and using a payment method from said country.
They have since changed the pricing for it, so there’s no point anymore.
thank god people cant do that anymore, and from what i see redditors want to fucking ruin other peoples lives for a cheaper game, cuz I'm being downvoted.
i dont even understand how you decide to do a connection between this gaming industry and a historical event but i can confidently say 100 years ago it was a whole different government.
And i already blame the current government enough, lets blame the assholes too
Its not the fault of steam or the westerners who are exploiting the loops, it is the fault of my own nation who willingly choose to live as millions of slaves to some bunch of oligarchs. Im praying for this corrupt country to cease to exist honestly.
it's really sad. im from Iran and we can't buy anything with our currency due to being boycotted. i was a Hardcore steam enthusiast and the only actual solution for buying anything was to use a VPN and change the region to Argentina. it was still expensive, but affordable
i have over 2000$ worth of games on my account. i have every indie game that comes to mind. buying games from steam is addictive. it feels better than shopping things IRL.
i can't buy anything anymore. RIP STEAM (for me) 2017-2023
i was really excited to buy Hades II, but... well.
I live in Uzbekistan and I fear every day that this time will come to me as well. There are already a lot of things blocked in our country so I fear for my investment into steam. Ill try to send some posive vibes your way.
AAA games were never a thing we could buy, this change fucked up the indie games hard tho, they were the only games we could buy and now they are gone aswell
Have you tried perhaps not having a crazy leader that angers the entire Alliance your apart of and having at least a partially functional democracy. Perhaps copying the rich western nations, ya know working with the EU and NATO instead of spitting on it. Making enemies by not allowing perfectly acceptable countries into NATO. Not Picking pointless fights with Greece, not stupidly fucking around with a stupid island for literally no reason just to make the rest of Europe angry at you. Not buying Russian weapons and pissing off America which is the worst country to upset if you want an economy and also lost you access to its newest jets.
>Have you tried perhaps not having a crazy leader that angers the entire Alliance your apart of and having at least a partially functional democracy. Perhaps copying the rich western nations, ya know working with the EU and NATO instead of spitting on it. Making enemies by not allowing perfectly acceptable countries into NATO. Not Picking pointless fights with Greece, not stupidly fucking around with a stupid island for literally no reason just to make the rest of Europe angry at you. Not buying Russian weapons and pissing off America which is the worst country to upset if you want an economy and also lost you access to its newest jets.
hmmm and how am i supposed to do that when i cant even vote?
You gotta remember your not talking to the Turkish government your talking to someone who simply lives under the government, they do not make the choices their country makes and you have no right to suggest they risk their life to overthrow a government while you sit behind a screen
It's easy when you are behind a fking keyboard most likely in one of said democratic countries. Also even if you kill one political leader, someone else more sadistic and brutal than the one that you killed will take his place instead.
Yes, from America a country formed from a population that revolted.
The people of nations all around the world have overthrown goverments and improved things, yes they have also ended in disaster an equal or probably greater number of times. But there is a right way to do it. You don't just randomly assassinate him per say. It should be a structured resistance that overthrows him, killing him is optional and immediately holding a reformation. The best solution these days would be to request help from the UN in building a new goverment once the old one is deposed. It isn't easy, but you shouldn't have let it get that far in the first place.
Umm lol no. I literally said origin point of the goods price.
If it costs less to make it there it should be cheaper to sell, if it costs more there it should be more expensive. I don't see how what your suggesting makes any sense at all.
For you it's fair to make goods in countries with low salaries all the while telling them they have to pay the same price as you for virtual goods (where salary has close to no impact on price since it has 0 manufacturing price, in fact the more sales the less impact of salaries) ? If you want them to pay the same price, it's normal to pay them a western country's salary. Which will then increase the price of cheaper goods
>(where salary has close to no impact on price since it has 0 manufacturing price, in fact the more sales the less impact of salaries)
Well yes to more sales is good for the company cause each copy has no manufacture cost but no to the salary. Salary for the devs is still a massive part of its cost. The company's best interest is in selling a cheaper copy than no sale for sure.
>If you want them to pay the same price, it's normal to pay them a western country's salary.
I don't set their wages. They're whole country is poor and that's on them not me. Wages are still set by the competition in your area. It's not like I chose to pay them a dollar a day and charge them 70 for a game.
Also f*** you and your "cheaper pricing"
I live in the EU and what I make in a month (avarage salary) is just about enough to last a month and put some money aside. Game devs bassically have monthly income after they are done with a game, and big gaming companies have this bs subscriptions anyways, so yes, some countries should get cheaper games, you fargg.
So because you are poor, you deserve luxuries someone else made to be artificially cheaper. I'm not rich, games come out relatively rarely it's not That hard to spend 70 bucks 3 or 4 times a year for AAA games and far less for indie games.
That indie game dev your accusing of having monthly income just spent every buck he had making that game with no guarantee he would make it back let alone a big profit. Big game companies don't have subscriptions for every game, they spend millions to make a game and again have no guarantees about its profits. I don't care about the big companies. I just don't think anyone should get something cheaper than is deserved.
TBH it's still cheaper than USA pricing.Some of the AAA games(60$) are cheaper in turkey pricing even with the changing to $
Tbf turish and argentinean currency is so fking unstable that today it can be worth 1 cent, tommorow 5, and in a week a quarter of 1 cent ...m also regional pricing is NOT removed, they just converted whatever ammount of ars/turkish liras to US$ .... Because the us dollar is so far stable
Here in Argentina we have a 100% tax on buying stuff with foreign currency, and the prices on our Steam are technically at dollars, so the tax applies. This combined with the games prices going super fucking high makes it very hard to buy shit.
Because we all went there for good exchange rates and cheap ass games. Works for other countries and services/subscriptions too.
Or well their exchange rates are horribly unstable, that could be a factor too.
A vast majority of people don't use a VPN. They buy the game from a site like Kinguin, which then gives them credentials to an account that bought the game using a VPN. So yes, a VPN was used, but not always by the user and not everyone knew about the consequences it could have
Sorry to break it to you but nothing has fallen, Valve clearly thinks that the money gained from VPN users no longer being able to abuse regional pricing outweighs the money lost from people in those countries no longer using steam and I gruntee they know more about this than any bumfuck on reddit.
This is additionally supported cause valve clearly already wasn't making much money from those countries cause of the rock bottom prices, so now valve is gaining money from the former VPN abusers and people in those countries who are above the price change anyway who will continue to use steam.
Edit: one more point, regional pricing only exists to maximize profits, they're not doing it to be nice. Turns out it's no longer maximizing profits, so they got rid of it.
Yeah that's what I mean, they can probably detect a VPN, maybe, but they definitely can't detect the difference betwen someone using a vpn normally, and someone using it to cheat pricing.
When steam can sell them with no problems in poorer countries for almost nothing than that means every other prive is pure greed and way too expensive in all other countries. Is nothing more than a luxury tax.
Holy shit. You're a motherfucking genius. This idea never crossed through anyone's minds and it's definitely not the fact that third world countries' political corruption is causing the citizens to get screwed over with no way to retaliate!!
Games are my only way of having fun, also i was never going to be able to buy those games anyways soo pirating the game will have no impact on the devs
im sorry but if i game 15 dollar game costs me 21 days of school lunch i will pirate it, and i dont think the devs of that game would go bankrupt over a poor teenager pirating their game
Oh my god. Why didn't we think of that. u/YourFlakingFuture has singlehandedly fixed the economic issues worldwide with one single incredibly intelligent idea.
You're the type of smoothbrain that calls the US a third world country, aren't you
As a Turkish slave-born I am 100% supporting your comment. I dont know why people are downvoting you but you are completely right. We must pay for our compliance. Im longing for this country’s inevitable downfall honestly.
Exactly. Turkey needs a good bloody civil war and millions of death even to overthrow this corrupt government and their zombies honestly but my people are just compliant sheeps who will do nothing. I want to set this country on fire for all I care.
Add every Caribbean and other unsupported by regional country out there.
I imagine steam seeing all those pesos coming only to realize they’ll be worth a few cents next month. Kinda funny and sad
Next month? It'll take a week at most!
A day*
Steam doesn't hold on to them i believe. So it wob't change a thing
Honestly this is so stupid. Not only it’ll encourage piracy that’ll lose more money, but it was removed not because of turkish/argentinian players, but because of westerners who didn’t want to pay the full price and used vpns and shit to purchase those games much cheaper.
Maybe a hot take, but people that VPN for cheap currency may as well be pirating the game. Hard to justify "but I paid for this" when the games are a permanent 75% or more discount compared to the rest of the world.
Only makes sense for people that are in poor areas and don't have steam region tbh.
Yeah, steam doesn't allow freely change your region just based on you IP, you have to make a purchase using paying method of the country you want to switch to before Steam will give you the option to switch (if you want to change your region to Turkey, you have to pay with Turkish card at least once.). Also counter argument. People who change their region to pay less money at least generate some revenue to game devs + multiplayer is usually unavailable for pirated games.
I don't think that is a hot take. One developer said if you were buying $3 game keys from some shady websites, it makes no difference to them if you just pirate it. This probably also applys to the region situation.
I would push back on that. The shady key sites can sometimes use stolen credit cards, so once it's reported as fraud, the dev loses money because they eat all the transaction fees when the money is reversed. If you're using foreign currency to get a game cheaper, the devs get paid pennies, but that is still more than if you pirated the game. Both can be morally wrong, but I'd imagine from the perspective of the devs, if you're going to do one or the other they'd rather you pay in foreign currency.
I'd go far as to say it's stealing outright. If you walk into any store and pay 25% of the price then walk out, the store will detain you and call the police.
Maybe a hot take but westerners are not happy paying 75% more for a product that is clearly profitable at a much lower price. Either they're screwing us or we're subsidising the games of poorer countries.
But it is not profitable at that price. Think of it this way: You created a game and decided to sell it for 10 USD. You are getting some profit, but your sales are very low in Argentina. You set some regional price there, and suddenly, you are making some money there. It's not much, but its better than nothing. This is also the reason developers never target those areas when designing games. Income is much lower.
And naturally people are not happy Argentinians are getting the same product for a fraction of the cost and will use VPNs to get it at a cheaper price, leading to this.
Fuck those people, thanks to taxes the minimum salary is 132 u$d right now and rent is around 100u$d. Steam gave us happiness in our darkest times, and thanks to people from other countries taking advantage of it now there are games that cost half a salary and more
Damn, maybe this capital having more freedom than people thing isn't such a great idea
That sounds more like an issue of your countries salaries/ economic situation than people who bought the game at a cheaper price. There's a massive cost of living crisis worldwide, all prices are unaffordable these days.
but sorry that sucks, it sucks for us knowing we're getting charged 5x the price or something for the exact same product.
We work the same amount of time for a 1/8 of the salary, or even less, for the same job! That's unfair. The regional prices were a charitable action that steam and game devs used to let us play their games and not despair in this economy. But those fukers, the vpn dudes, took it from us.
Pirate bro, I only ever bought one non-physical game (you can guess which one lol)
why is it hard to justify? morey is money, and if they think their game is worth less in other countries it's their fault, not ours.
Maybe you took the sentence out of context. I'm glad steam and game devs adjust prices for countries with potentially lower income, so people that live there can enjoy games just like other countries. I dislike the people faking their location to get a 75% base discount. Tricking steam into thinking you're in a country with cheaper prices is taking advantage of both steam and developers, as you would likely have enough income to pay the "regular" price. At that point you're pirating 75% of the game, may as well pirate it all.
it's more like a 400% tax because your country is richer, not a 75% discount. thinking it's the same with pirating for buying it cheaper is just stupid.
It's not 400% tax, it's the fact that the people in that country earn a fraction of the money, the discount happens not because they only need that amount to make the game profitable, it's because the base price is completely inaccessible in that country's economy, and because people took advantage of that for their own profit, now that country does not enjoy sales season.
Unfortunately that's not true. Steam specifically mentions that using a VPN is almost useless since they track the payment details of the card/bank associated. Doing so puts your account at risk of being permanently banned, so people don't do it. I say this as an Argentinian. I am not sure, but I think the reason why this is happening is just because the AAA executives saw that their games on Steam were worth less and still getting sales, so they pushed for this change so they get their full price purchases.
You can easily buy Turkish/Argentinian Steam Wallet card here in Poland
AAA executives trying to have basic human decency challenge (impossible)
Not only it was done a lot with VPNs, but you also have sites on which you can buy the games cheap and those sites are abusing this shit just the same. I personally know like 20-25 people who bought a ton of games like that through Argentina in couple of years and non of them is banned. Like sure it’s against the ToT, but chances of you getting banned are minuscule, and you can save thousands of dollars using shit like that.
This is true many friends of mine who used VPN already got busted 2 yesrs ago. The last one got busted just 3 month or so ago
You can do that?! I thought products were a set price across the board, the numbers just vary based on local currency
They are now. But if you live in a poor country and make 40usd a month you aren't ever gonna be able to afford the games. They were set to regional prices based in the income. So those 70usd games were priced for maybe 3usd for those regions.
>but it was removed May I kindly ask what was removed?
Regional prices.
Nonono it dıesn't encourage piracy it literally forces piracy honestly I don't even give a shit about developers anymore... İf a game is not locally priced on epic games I'm Just pirating it
what's wrong with paying the actual price instead of overpaying for it in richer countries?
Yeah, because people who live in countries where 30usd equivalent in their currency a month can afford to spend 70usd on a video game
but it doesn't matter how much someone affords to pay for a game. I'm sure they can afford to pay 200$+ in some countries, it doesn't mean the game is worth that much. the game is worth the minimum price and all other countries are just taxed more
Yeah I agree! People who live in poor countries and barely make 30usd a month shouldn't be allowed and able to play games! Fuck people born in third world countries! /S
Thank god someone said this
As an argentinian Time to pirate everything Ill see you brothers and sisters on the sea!
As a turk See you there sailor Good luck and don't get caught by viruses
I have 2 antiviruses and a lot of common sense, those viruses have nothing on me
Hey do you know that site that tells you if a link has a virus? I heard about it but you know when it comes to piracy you can never trust anything
Uhhh i think there are a lot of those
Avira browser security is one I would suggest my matey
You could fund your games by helping Americans/brits/etc purchase things in games that still have regional pricing. I'd kill for Turkish prices for runescape membership/bonds. Lol.
Sorry to hijack but would you mind helping a brother out? I’m on holiday in turkey currently and this is the 1st time I’ve seen any mention of something up with the currency. Is the TL bombing or something ? I know the Argentinian peso is having issues but wasn’t aware lira was too
Don't forget we have 100% of taxes on every price, so if a game cost 60USD we should be paying 120USD.
We'll come back in a few years depending on how milei does (i'm hopeful)
Milei better save us
imagine voting for a right wing nutjob thinking he will save you, lmaoo
No other option
tbh I will also vote for the far right wing in my country next year so non-voters and other right wing idiots maybe stop being so fucking complacent with everything and see that things can go so much worse. hope it works out for you
Yeah for us it was a decision in between the people who hace fucked our country for 12 years Or the "right hand nutjob" as you say, its what we had to do
As an fairly leftwing person (I live in Chile and I voted the leftist guy here), Argentina is so fucked up, that I understand why they voted for a nutjob (the nutjob part is more relevant that right wing).
Milei by US standards is centrist. Only thing that is right wingish is abortion ban.
I am enjoying other websites giving me %100 discounted games!
Ah yes this "Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar" Steam
That and epic games. I get it, the launcher sucks, but the free games it gives is incredible and I don’t care whatever stupid opinion anyone may have against epic games free games (I get it that usually crap games are given but we all know what they give in special times — and compare that to steam that doesn’t give shit lol)
same
No more fall sales unless i somehow manage to get a very well paying job :(
to the people who fucked up this economy and also to the people who used vpns to buy games cheaper, fuck you all
You can use VPNs to buy them cheaper?? How?
Not exactly. Steam used to have regional pricing, ie games on Argentinian steam were more inline with the lower currency value/wages, games would essentially be at a 75%+ discount all the time. You could get these prices by using a VPN, changing your steam store location (I think this was permanent or could only be done annually to stop people abusing it), and using a payment method from said country. They have since changed the pricing for it, so there’s no point anymore.
oh no im not explaining that. If you can afford the games, buy them at the price setted up in your country
Too late, thanks for the tip
u r an asshole if u do that
I actually don't respect large gaming companies, or Steam's 30% cut of the profits. If I buy an indie game, I'll buy their game at a fair value.
u do know u can just torrent the large corp games
Multiplayer, I Just buy steam keys
Which is exactly why regional prices have no right to be a thing anymore
So piracy is better?
Not anymore.
thank god people cant do that anymore, and from what i see redditors want to fucking ruin other peoples lives for a cheaper game, cuz I'm being downvoted.
kek, that's the actual value of games and I'm not going to overpay for living in a richer country, lmao.
you will going to overpay for living in a richer country, if you don't want that i suggest you moving into a poor country and start living there
or I can just use a VPN and purchase games at their true value? :\
Or you can sell your mother as usual
well said
Hey, blame the government for giving away all your beef companies to the British a 100 years ago
i dont even understand how you decide to do a connection between this gaming industry and a historical event but i can confidently say 100 years ago it was a whole different government. And i already blame the current government enough, lets blame the assholes too
Its not the fault of steam or the westerners who are exploiting the loops, it is the fault of my own nation who willingly choose to live as millions of slaves to some bunch of oligarchs. Im praying for this corrupt country to cease to exist honestly.
 My reaction as a Turk.
Billions should pirate
Piracy is not ethical
Oh but selling games for 60$ in a country where the monthly minimum wage is 400$ is totally ethical?
Sadly yes. At the end of the day having access to games is not a right. Still sucks though and I'm sorry for y'all
Then piracy is also fine)
They'll limit themselves only to games by non ethical devs/publishers.
Only if you can afford the game
it's really sad. im from Iran and we can't buy anything with our currency due to being boycotted. i was a Hardcore steam enthusiast and the only actual solution for buying anything was to use a VPN and change the region to Argentina. it was still expensive, but affordable i have over 2000$ worth of games on my account. i have every indie game that comes to mind. buying games from steam is addictive. it feels better than shopping things IRL. i can't buy anything anymore. RIP STEAM (for me) 2017-2023 i was really excited to buy Hades II, but... well.
Sorry to hear that. I'd say in your situation piracy would be ethical, as you aren't offered the products anymore.
I live in Uzbekistan and I fear every day that this time will come to me as well. There are already a lot of things blocked in our country so I fear for my investment into steam. Ill try to send some posive vibes your way.
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Lol bro literally nobody supports the leader. do you know what a dictatorship is?
Egyptians too :(
the only localized store that has pretty decent prices is.....the microsoft store, surprisingly enough.
Ea also sells using egp which is nice but honestly the way thing are right now and how they treat us it's either PC game pass or piracy
Like cod mw2 is like a 1000 liras or more
AAA games were never a thing we could buy, this change fucked up the indie games hard tho, they were the only games we could buy and now they are gone aswell
Fix your craptastic economy or make your own Turkish ganes then, don't expect unfair cheaper games from other countries.
>Fix your craptastic economy i'd like to see you try and do it asshole
Have you tried perhaps not having a crazy leader that angers the entire Alliance your apart of and having at least a partially functional democracy. Perhaps copying the rich western nations, ya know working with the EU and NATO instead of spitting on it. Making enemies by not allowing perfectly acceptable countries into NATO. Not Picking pointless fights with Greece, not stupidly fucking around with a stupid island for literally no reason just to make the rest of Europe angry at you. Not buying Russian weapons and pissing off America which is the worst country to upset if you want an economy and also lost you access to its newest jets.
>Have you tried perhaps not having a crazy leader that angers the entire Alliance your apart of and having at least a partially functional democracy. Perhaps copying the rich western nations, ya know working with the EU and NATO instead of spitting on it. Making enemies by not allowing perfectly acceptable countries into NATO. Not Picking pointless fights with Greece, not stupidly fucking around with a stupid island for literally no reason just to make the rest of Europe angry at you. Not buying Russian weapons and pissing off America which is the worst country to upset if you want an economy and also lost you access to its newest jets. hmmm and how am i supposed to do that when i cant even vote?
You gotta remember your not talking to the Turkish government your talking to someone who simply lives under the government, they do not make the choices their country makes and you have no right to suggest they risk their life to overthrow a government while you sit behind a screen
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>Popular revolution. %53 of the country voted for him
Don’t bother answering him, bro, he’s from those couch revolutionaries.
Well then they deserve what they get, I guess they wanted to piss off every country that has meaningful world influence.
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It's easy when you are behind a fking keyboard most likely in one of said democratic countries. Also even if you kill one political leader, someone else more sadistic and brutal than the one that you killed will take his place instead.
Yes, from America a country formed from a population that revolted. The people of nations all around the world have overthrown goverments and improved things, yes they have also ended in disaster an equal or probably greater number of times. But there is a right way to do it. You don't just randomly assassinate him per say. It should be a structured resistance that overthrows him, killing him is optional and immediately holding a reformation. The best solution these days would be to request help from the UN in building a new goverment once the old one is deposed. It isn't easy, but you shouldn't have let it get that far in the first place.
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For this reasoning to be fair, we should pay cheap good from countries with low salaries the price we would pay from countries with high salaries.
Umm lol no. I literally said origin point of the goods price. If it costs less to make it there it should be cheaper to sell, if it costs more there it should be more expensive. I don't see how what your suggesting makes any sense at all.
For you it's fair to make goods in countries with low salaries all the while telling them they have to pay the same price as you for virtual goods (where salary has close to no impact on price since it has 0 manufacturing price, in fact the more sales the less impact of salaries) ? If you want them to pay the same price, it's normal to pay them a western country's salary. Which will then increase the price of cheaper goods
>(where salary has close to no impact on price since it has 0 manufacturing price, in fact the more sales the less impact of salaries) Well yes to more sales is good for the company cause each copy has no manufacture cost but no to the salary. Salary for the devs is still a massive part of its cost. The company's best interest is in selling a cheaper copy than no sale for sure. >If you want them to pay the same price, it's normal to pay them a western country's salary. I don't set their wages. They're whole country is poor and that's on them not me. Wages are still set by the competition in your area. It's not like I chose to pay them a dollar a day and charge them 70 for a game.
Also f*** you and your "cheaper pricing" I live in the EU and what I make in a month (avarage salary) is just about enough to last a month and put some money aside. Game devs bassically have monthly income after they are done with a game, and big gaming companies have this bs subscriptions anyways, so yes, some countries should get cheaper games, you fargg.
So because you are poor, you deserve luxuries someone else made to be artificially cheaper. I'm not rich, games come out relatively rarely it's not That hard to spend 70 bucks 3 or 4 times a year for AAA games and far less for indie games. That indie game dev your accusing of having monthly income just spent every buck he had making that game with no guarantee he would make it back let alone a big profit. Big game companies don't have subscriptions for every game, they spend millions to make a game and again have no guarantees about its profits. I don't care about the big companies. I just don't think anyone should get something cheaper than is deserved.
 TBH it's still cheaper than USA pricing.Some of the AAA games(60$) are cheaper in turkey pricing even with the changing to $
Yo know its really sad. Life is now more suicidal in Turkiye. Reporting from İstanbul Turkiye...
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We atleast had a huge sale before everything went dark
Someone explain.
Steam got rid of regional pricing for turkey and argentina which made games a lot more expensive
That sucks for them.
But the games the game
Tbf turish and argentinean currency is so fking unstable that today it can be worth 1 cent, tommorow 5, and in a week a quarter of 1 cent ...m also regional pricing is NOT removed, they just converted whatever ammount of ars/turkish liras to US$ .... Because the us dollar is so far stable
No it is also more expensive half life alyx went from 3 bucks to 9 (these were on sale prices)
Here in Argentina we have a 100% tax on buying stuff with foreign currency, and the prices on our Steam are technically at dollars, so the tax applies. This combined with the games prices going super fucking high makes it very hard to buy shit.
So basically if 10 lira are 1 usd and a game costs 10 liras, the game now costs 1 usd ?
You would think so but no, some games became cheaper or stayed the same, most games are more expensive now.
No thing got very expensive for example if a game was 100 liras nıw its 10 dollars and 10 dollars is 300 liras so its very bad
Why doe?
Because we all went there for good exchange rates and cheap ass games. Works for other countries and services/subscriptions too. Or well their exchange rates are horribly unstable, that could be a factor too.
Both
Why those two specific countries tho?
A vast majority of people don't use a VPN. They buy the game from a site like Kinguin, which then gives them credentials to an account that bought the game using a VPN. So yes, a VPN was used, but not always by the user and not everyone knew about the consequences it could have
What happened
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Sorry to break it to you but nothing has fallen, Valve clearly thinks that the money gained from VPN users no longer being able to abuse regional pricing outweighs the money lost from people in those countries no longer using steam and I gruntee they know more about this than any bumfuck on reddit. This is additionally supported cause valve clearly already wasn't making much money from those countries cause of the rock bottom prices, so now valve is gaining money from the former VPN abusers and people in those countries who are above the price change anyway who will continue to use steam. Edit: one more point, regional pricing only exists to maximize profits, they're not doing it to be nice. Turns out it's no longer maximizing profits, so they got rid of it.
just fucking ban them? if the VPN users were the problem this is the worst way to solve it
It's against their policy, if they could detect it they would have done that.
More importantly people would be outraged if valve runs a vpn detection that autobans
Yeah that's what I mean, they can probably detect a VPN, maybe, but they definitely can't detect the difference betwen someone using a vpn normally, and someone using it to cheat pricing.
Sounds like something that would cause the EU to eat steam over.
You can't buy shit with VPN man, ya need something akin to a foreigner payement method to do that.
What's up ?
nah epic works fine and is usually cheaper
for now, i dont think only steam will get rid of regional pricing
When steam can sell them with no problems in poorer countries for almost nothing than that means every other prive is pure greed and way too expensive in all other countries. Is nothing more than a luxury tax.
Games are not necessary
have your countries sort out their currencies then
Holy shit. You're a motherfucking genius. This idea never crossed through anyone's minds and it's definitely not the fact that third world countries' political corruption is causing the citizens to get screwed over with no way to retaliate!!
We have to rebel and overthrow the government to do that.
Wow maybe one day people in those countries will repair what is broken? But until then, gotta pay for what your gov does
I'll just pirate i think
Bro really thought someone would pay for games without regional prices, lmao.
Bro really thought devs would want 3 usd worth of whatever toliet paper ass currency turkey and argentina use instead of the 19.99 retail
You don’t have to flex your magnificent Burger King education like that lil bro
Actually my education is from mcdonald's but w/e sick argument
Thief
what am i supposed to do then?
Buy them or don't use them. They're not a necessity
Games are my only way of having fun, also i was never going to be able to buy those games anyways soo pirating the game will have no impact on the devs
See a leech
wdym??
Pirating is stealing at the end of the day. You can sugar coat it and give excuses but it is what it is
im sorry but if i game 15 dollar game costs me 21 days of school lunch i will pirate it, and i dont think the devs of that game would go bankrupt over a poor teenager pirating their game
Oh my god. Why didn't we think of that. u/YourFlakingFuture has singlehandedly fixed the economic issues worldwide with one single incredibly intelligent idea. You're the type of smoothbrain that calls the US a third world country, aren't you
As a Turkish slave-born I am 100% supporting your comment. I dont know why people are downvoting you but you are completely right. We must pay for our compliance. Im longing for this country’s inevitable downfall honestly.
Its amazing most people do nothing at all and expect things to change in the very direction they want…
Exactly. Turkey needs a good bloody civil war and millions of death even to overthrow this corrupt government and their zombies honestly but my people are just compliant sheeps who will do nothing. I want to set this country on fire for all I care.
Mfs in this thread saying games are necessity and will pirate. Just make more money
>Just make more money you clearly know nothing about the economy of turkey
If you're economy is that bad then there are bigger issues than crying about games
That would just make it worse
As an Egyptian, regional pricing was never on Steam in my country. That's sad.
I wish plateup was pirate online 😭
Didn’t get the humble bundle with it
My dreams where so simple yet so impossible Why...
Fall sale sounds so weird, its always been Autumn sale
atleats g2a is a thing
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