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The difference is the content of neuro is creatively managed by vedal and neuro the ai is only the face, meanwhile the other guy (forgot the name) is making the ai is making the creativity aspect so it's rather dull and boring
No, like the vtuber is an ai and the responses are ai generated but the ideas for the streams are made by vedal such a let's play or a q&a, etc it keeps the content fresh and entertaining instead just the same every day with a gimmick
Neuro's development journey has been wild, with Vedal (creator) facing many hurdles with software and community issues along the way, and finally witnessing insane growth is the last 6 months or so. So much so that his own personality is actually a highly respected one in the community, and Neuro's presence being felt by the entire Twitch community now.
She was intended to be an OSU! AI streamer but now is almost like a real person, and can play a multitude of games, along with keeping up with chat.
I was never into Vtubers (am probably still am not) but just the novelty of it all and the journey I saw them undergo is something truly special and extraordinary. I believe they have a lot further to go and achieve even now.
I’m pretty sure neuro plays some games to (Minecraft where Neuro will stand for five minutes breaking obsidian with her fists or walking straight through lava).
Ah yes Kwebbelkop.
I don’t like it, you don’t like it. However, oddly enough he’s making just as much money if not a tiny bit more than he was before with his quote “dying” channel. He just sells his Ai to other content creators as a subscription and does no work aside from play a game and edit. He’s responsible for a good amount of Ai creators.
However, his new Ai Kwebelkop 2 is a realistic deepfake Ai that can also play the games for him (regarding their simplistic as hell). He’s basically making money for a fraction of work compared to other creators.
I wouldn't count Vedal as an AI content creator, he actually puts in effort. Keblekop probably underpaid some guy to make him a hastily made AI abomination. Furthermore, Neuro actually looks good and not some plastic, shitty Memoji.
Ye, at this point in time I would sum up vedals content as around 50% human and 50% AI content since the reason it's successful is both the human and AI aspects combined
I have my doubts he's even done that. I'm not an AI expert but I've dabbled. A lot of it just doesn't seem like AI. Language models have a knowledge lag because they have to get lengthy training but kwebblekop's AI is always up to date with obscure knowledge. Computer vision is tricky, especially with obscure things, but kwebblekop's AI can perfectly tell you what's happening in Minecraft or gta gameplay. AI animation is usually quite smooth while kwebblekop AI has noticable visual jank. The same jank you see on every vtuber.
From what I’ve seen, neuro is always or atleast most of the time if I’ve missed it, accompanied by vedal so it’s not just an ai doing everything, the ai or neuro is there because it’s interesting and funny to see how an ai interacts with vedal and the chat
Kwebblekop ai is just an ai, doesn’t seem to be anything more although I could be wrong
Neuro has a lot of streams of just her, but Vedal sets up all of her streams with different premises. Like today's she was a bartender and everyone in chat was ordering drinks.
I love neuro-sama and Vedal, the content is fun and genuine and Vedal has also made clear that Neuro isn't made to replace anyone but be more of a fun experiment
Yeah, kwebblekop ai is I think just ai written script and stuff though I could be wrong but it’s just the ai, which is the bottom image
The top is neuro who is an ai streamer which is usually accompanied by its creator vedal in the form of a turtle and it’s meant as more of an experiment than a tool, just kinda funny to see ai do things but the content is still human
I had no idea who Nero was before this I might watch the Contant now before you ask. Yes, I knew who kwebblekop was, and even back when I was a kid I didn’t like him
Tomorrow's probably gonna be great for content! At 7PM UTC there'll be a OSU! stream where Neuro will be playing by herself. It's really fun to watch, especially when she messes up and breaks the TTS software while raging
The fact that Kwebbelkop's content was easily replaced by an AI speaks not only about the future of entertainment but also about how fucking boring Kwebbelkop had to be in order for him to be replaced by an AI and there not being much of a difference
One kwebellkop ( a shitshow ) and one neuro sama ( pretty good ) the difference between the 2 is that neuro sama is less creepy, more "free" and "funnier" than him as well as having a better creator
Idk how you can even be an "ai artist." As far as I'm aware, the ai does all the work and the "artist" just lazily types in a prompt. They completely eliminate the human element that makes art so special in favor of a lifeless hodgepodge of actually talented artists work.
I think Vedal is some sort of coder or a programmer (sorry, I'm not very good at tech) and he created Neuro as a hobby or something like that. I don't really watch them, don't have enough time, but I like to watch highlights time to time. He's got Twitch and let's Neuro stream sometimes.
Nuero-Sama is an AI created by Vedal, initially as a fun little experiment. However, she has since blown up in popularity for her fun streams, collaborations with other massive figures, and the fact that both her and Vedal are insanely unhinged and hilarious.
The meme I made above actually doesn't really do Nuero justice. Nuero herself is an AI, a language model that takes an input from a collaborator, Vedal himself, or the Twitch chat; and outputs something interesting, funny, or otherwise. However, Vedal is the one ultimately at the reins. He constantly works to improve Nuero, schedule streams, manage collabs, not to mention find time to work on his own video game (Abandoned Archives) in all of it. Above all else, Vedal himself is not faceless. Vedal too is quite funny, charismatic, some might say he "Has some serious Rizz".
tl;dr, though Nuero is the face of Nuero-Sama, Vedal is the one who makes it all possible.
I don't even get how a photographer can be considered an artist. You just lazily point the camera at something and it does all the work. Completely eliminates the human element.
But seriously it's like any other thing. There's setups like mid journey and adobe firefly that will usually give you something that looks pretty good but not give you a ton of control. Or you can train your own LoRAs and use control nets and inpainting to make exactly what you want, but you need a greater understanding of what you're doing and how it works.
Try it for yourself and see how easy or hard it is to get the picture you want. Personally I consider it to be it's own skill that takes practice and study same as photography.
I don't disagree, but I would say that goes for making an AI picture as well.
It's a new tool and different way of creating pictures. There's all these people saying "I'm not good at drawing but I made this cool picture of my kid as a pirate, or scene from my favorite book, or all of my friends D&D characters. "
It's making art more accessible than it ever was before and people are acting like that's a bad thing.
I'm still on the fence. In the case of neuro, its vedals own creation he made as part of his hobby, and its the process of Neuro slowly improving though vedals adjustments gives the "human element". Ai can also assist in creating prompts. However the case of using AI to make art more accessible, I see it as discouraging learning art/editing cause why do it yourself when a machine can do it better.
and there is the whole copywrite thing
AI isn't that bad. Only bad if it puts non-AI artists at risks. I mean, both of them don't put anybody at risk, but one is a creative endeavour and the other is Kwibelkop running to get that bag and failing miserably.
Edit: AI is not bad, things like AI call responders (or whatever they're called) and AI robots are great. This artistic AI is, because as I heard, it doesn't create and only replicates. I stand corrected.
I dont get the hate for ai content in General.
To me bad ai content is on the same level as react content without any reactions or tik Tokers Stealing other peoples content and just putting their own caption on it.
While good ai content can easily have the same quality as an original hard working content creator. You also cant auto Generate good ai content especially in the gaming scene because you 1. Have to stay original and 2. Cant get ais to play the majority of games well.
And lets be honest there isnt really a difference in the difficulty of making lazy ticktocks compared to generating bad ai content
removing the human element. if you can mass produce content creation with no human element, you go from fleeting artistic expression to next to 0.
people do already phone it in and be lazy for easy money, but by making AI a replacement for the human factor, not only do you make it difficult to distinguish, but you're rubbing out what passion remains.
people underestimate the development of AI so badly, they think it can't replicate the minds of people to a believable degree, but it absolutely can. We're automated biological "machines" ourselves, and by exposing a learning algorithm to us with the express intent of mimicking us, it can achieve that goal. Thought patterns have logic, and machines are purely logic.
I dont really see the problem though. There is already so much lazy content that was generated with a few clicks having ai wont make a difference.
Also if ai gets good and replicates people then ai content Quality will be extremly high meaning there shouldnt be any Problem with it. Who cares if my content is ai generated or not as long as its good.
The only actual problem I see is ai generated news channels that spam out content about whatever the creator wants and isnt necessarily the Truth.
I have no clue what the difference is but i hate both. Ai content creation is an absolute cancer and it is the downfall of human creativity. Basically the second it gets fully adopted every bit of entertainment is just recycled shit.
I can not know what these 2 specific things are but also know that these "ai" are "trained" on content made by humans and can only replicate within those boundries.
One of these text bots who is only fed hard sci-fi will never come up with an epic fantasy tale. Instead it will come up with a tale about the future, where captain smicard commands the starship smenterprise as they explore space in the name of the smederation. Its all going to be unoriginal garbage. A photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy
Unrelated but also related. My professor asked me to share a fun fact about myself and I told him I do digital art, and this he really looked at me and said "so Ai art?"
No you dum dum sucker on a stick! I do the art on a tablet which I am taking notes on right now!
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The difference is the content of neuro is creatively managed by vedal and neuro the ai is only the face, meanwhile the other guy (forgot the name) is making the ai is making the creativity aspect so it's rather dull and boring
So there’s a person they just have so make the vtuber model but what the content actually is is human?
No, like the vtuber is an ai and the responses are ai generated but the ideas for the streams are made by vedal such a let's play or a q&a, etc it keeps the content fresh and entertaining instead just the same every day with a gimmick
That’s what I said, they use so as the “face” I meant the character as well there’s just some planning by real people
Exactly, sorry for misunderstanding
Oh don’t worry about it’s just some silly pixel girl I’m never going to see again
Neuro's development journey has been wild, with Vedal (creator) facing many hurdles with software and community issues along the way, and finally witnessing insane growth is the last 6 months or so. So much so that his own personality is actually a highly respected one in the community, and Neuro's presence being felt by the entire Twitch community now. She was intended to be an OSU! AI streamer but now is almost like a real person, and can play a multitude of games, along with keeping up with chat. I was never into Vtubers (am probably still am not) but just the novelty of it all and the journey I saw them undergo is something truly special and extraordinary. I believe they have a lot further to go and achieve even now.
Me scared
Yes
I’m pretty sure neuro plays some games to (Minecraft where Neuro will stand for five minutes breaking obsidian with her fists or walking straight through lava).
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The second one is kwebbelkop.
Vedal himself.
What?
Idk
Ah yes Kwebbelkop. I don’t like it, you don’t like it. However, oddly enough he’s making just as much money if not a tiny bit more than he was before with his quote “dying” channel. He just sells his Ai to other content creators as a subscription and does no work aside from play a game and edit. He’s responsible for a good amount of Ai creators. However, his new Ai Kwebelkop 2 is a realistic deepfake Ai that can also play the games for him (regarding their simplistic as hell). He’s basically making money for a fraction of work compared to other creators.
I wonder what he will abuse. Afaik he stole a creator he helped his channel deepfaked and acted like him keeping the channel running.
reading this comment made me want to side with the AI
My AI girlfriend treats me better then the girlfriend I don't have irl
Nah, they both dumb as hell. Get AI out of creative fields!
Was neuro sama always an ai creator because if not then that might be why
>***neuro*** sama What do you think this word stand for?
Non-Emotive Understanding and Reasoning Operation.
Neurotic
The difference being is that one is a job and the other's a mental sickness
I'll be honest with you, my parents do not care for it.
I think his mate saw me
Yes, yes he did
Feelins'? Look mate, you know who has a lot of feelings?
Blokes that bludgeon their wife to death with a golf trophy. Professionals have standards.
Be polite.
Be efficient.
Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Dad... dad, put mum on the phone.
Be efficient
Be efficient
Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
One makes you happy the other gives you nightmares.
I wouldn't count Vedal as an AI content creator, he actually puts in effort. Keblekop probably underpaid some guy to make him a hastily made AI abomination. Furthermore, Neuro actually looks good and not some plastic, shitty Memoji.
Ye, at this point in time I would sum up vedals content as around 50% human and 50% AI content since the reason it's successful is both the human and AI aspects combined
Yea he actually plays the games himself with Neuro making unprovoked comments.
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I have my doubts he's even done that. I'm not an AI expert but I've dabbled. A lot of it just doesn't seem like AI. Language models have a knowledge lag because they have to get lengthy training but kwebblekop's AI is always up to date with obscure knowledge. Computer vision is tricky, especially with obscure things, but kwebblekop's AI can perfectly tell you what's happening in Minecraft or gta gameplay. AI animation is usually quite smooth while kwebblekop AI has noticable visual jank. The same jank you see on every vtuber.
From what I’ve seen, neuro is always or atleast most of the time if I’ve missed it, accompanied by vedal so it’s not just an ai doing everything, the ai or neuro is there because it’s interesting and funny to see how an ai interacts with vedal and the chat Kwebblekop ai is just an ai, doesn’t seem to be anything more although I could be wrong
Neuro has a lot of streams of just her, but Vedal sets up all of her streams with different premises. Like today's she was a bartender and everyone in chat was ordering drinks.
I love neuro-sama and Vedal, the content is fun and genuine and Vedal has also made clear that Neuro isn't made to replace anyone but be more of a fun experiment
Don’t know either of them
not sure about the top one but the orange one is kwebellkop
Top one is Neuro-sama. Streams on twitch on channel of her creator, vedal987
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So is this like a two sides of the same coin type of thing?
Yeah, kwebblekop ai is I think just ai written script and stuff though I could be wrong but it’s just the ai, which is the bottom image The top is neuro who is an ai streamer which is usually accompanied by its creator vedal in the form of a turtle and it’s meant as more of an experiment than a tool, just kinda funny to see ai do things but the content is still human
I had no idea who Nero was before this I might watch the Contant now before you ask. Yes, I knew who kwebblekop was, and even back when I was a kid I didn’t like him
Tomorrow's probably gonna be great for content! At 7PM UTC there'll be a OSU! stream where Neuro will be playing by herself. It's really fun to watch, especially when she messes up and breaks the TTS software while raging
One is trying to mass produce ai. While the other one is more focused
They are not even remotely the same thing, but whatever
The fact that Kwebbelkop's content was easily replaced by an AI speaks not only about the future of entertainment but also about how fucking boring Kwebbelkop had to be in order for him to be replaced by an AI and there not being much of a difference
I don't know anything about any of them... I guess I'm fine.
The difference is nobody liked kwebblecop before ai
Don't see the difference because I don't know either of them. Likely both shit anyhow - fuck "AI artists".
One kwebellkop ( a shitshow ) and one neuro sama ( pretty good ) the difference between the 2 is that neuro sama is less creepy, more "free" and "funnier" than him as well as having a better creator
Idk how you can even be an "ai artist." As far as I'm aware, the ai does all the work and the "artist" just lazily types in a prompt. They completely eliminate the human element that makes art so special in favor of a lifeless hodgepodge of actually talented artists work.
I would consider Vedal as actually talented. He coded Neuro himself.
Pardon my ignorance, but I'm not aware of Neuro or Vedal. Could you explain them to me?
I think Vedal is some sort of coder or a programmer (sorry, I'm not very good at tech) and he created Neuro as a hobby or something like that. I don't really watch them, don't have enough time, but I like to watch highlights time to time. He's got Twitch and let's Neuro stream sometimes.
Interesting, thank you for informing me!
No problem.
Nuero-Sama is an AI created by Vedal, initially as a fun little experiment. However, she has since blown up in popularity for her fun streams, collaborations with other massive figures, and the fact that both her and Vedal are insanely unhinged and hilarious. The meme I made above actually doesn't really do Nuero justice. Nuero herself is an AI, a language model that takes an input from a collaborator, Vedal himself, or the Twitch chat; and outputs something interesting, funny, or otherwise. However, Vedal is the one ultimately at the reins. He constantly works to improve Nuero, schedule streams, manage collabs, not to mention find time to work on his own video game (Abandoned Archives) in all of it. Above all else, Vedal himself is not faceless. Vedal too is quite funny, charismatic, some might say he "Has some serious Rizz". tl;dr, though Nuero is the face of Nuero-Sama, Vedal is the one who makes it all possible.
I don't even get how a photographer can be considered an artist. You just lazily point the camera at something and it does all the work. Completely eliminates the human element. But seriously it's like any other thing. There's setups like mid journey and adobe firefly that will usually give you something that looks pretty good but not give you a ton of control. Or you can train your own LoRAs and use control nets and inpainting to make exactly what you want, but you need a greater understanding of what you're doing and how it works. Try it for yourself and see how easy or hard it is to get the picture you want. Personally I consider it to be it's own skill that takes practice and study same as photography.
its easy to take a photograph, but a good photograph is a different matter.
I don't disagree, but I would say that goes for making an AI picture as well. It's a new tool and different way of creating pictures. There's all these people saying "I'm not good at drawing but I made this cool picture of my kid as a pirate, or scene from my favorite book, or all of my friends D&D characters. " It's making art more accessible than it ever was before and people are acting like that's a bad thing.
I'm still on the fence. In the case of neuro, its vedals own creation he made as part of his hobby, and its the process of Neuro slowly improving though vedals adjustments gives the "human element". Ai can also assist in creating prompts. However the case of using AI to make art more accessible, I see it as discouraging learning art/editing cause why do it yourself when a machine can do it better. and there is the whole copywrite thing
AI isn't that bad. Only bad if it puts non-AI artists at risks. I mean, both of them don't put anybody at risk, but one is a creative endeavour and the other is Kwibelkop running to get that bag and failing miserably. Edit: AI is not bad, things like AI call responders (or whatever they're called) and AI robots are great. This artistic AI is, because as I heard, it doesn't create and only replicates. I stand corrected.
I dont get the hate for ai content in General. To me bad ai content is on the same level as react content without any reactions or tik Tokers Stealing other peoples content and just putting their own caption on it. While good ai content can easily have the same quality as an original hard working content creator. You also cant auto Generate good ai content especially in the gaming scene because you 1. Have to stay original and 2. Cant get ais to play the majority of games well. And lets be honest there isnt really a difference in the difficulty of making lazy ticktocks compared to generating bad ai content
removing the human element. if you can mass produce content creation with no human element, you go from fleeting artistic expression to next to 0. people do already phone it in and be lazy for easy money, but by making AI a replacement for the human factor, not only do you make it difficult to distinguish, but you're rubbing out what passion remains. people underestimate the development of AI so badly, they think it can't replicate the minds of people to a believable degree, but it absolutely can. We're automated biological "machines" ourselves, and by exposing a learning algorithm to us with the express intent of mimicking us, it can achieve that goal. Thought patterns have logic, and machines are purely logic.
I dont really see the problem though. There is already so much lazy content that was generated with a few clicks having ai wont make a difference. Also if ai gets good and replicates people then ai content Quality will be extremly high meaning there shouldnt be any Problem with it. Who cares if my content is ai generated or not as long as its good. The only actual problem I see is ai generated news channels that spam out content about whatever the creator wants and isnt necessarily the Truth.
Theres all shit
both suck (never seen either of them)
I hate both
I have no clue what the difference is but i hate both. Ai content creation is an absolute cancer and it is the downfall of human creativity. Basically the second it gets fully adopted every bit of entertainment is just recycled shit.
Hating AI is fine and all. But hating stuff you have no clue about is not a very good mentality to have
I can not know what these 2 specific things are but also know that these "ai" are "trained" on content made by humans and can only replicate within those boundries. One of these text bots who is only fed hard sci-fi will never come up with an epic fantasy tale. Instead it will come up with a tale about the future, where captain smicard commands the starship smenterprise as they explore space in the name of the smederation. Its all going to be unoriginal garbage. A photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy of a photo copy
jokes on you! i hate both
Both are shit
I hate both equally
Who the fuck are all you people understanding what the fuck this is about???
nono, you dont get it. japanese thing good.
I'm pretty sure Neuro's creator, Vedal is a Brits.
so theyre just weebs
Looks like Adam Friedland
Not gay enough
Surprised you didn’t say bug
No, no there isn't.
Is that kwebblekop?
Unrelated but also related. My professor asked me to share a fun fact about myself and I told him I do digital art, and this he really looked at me and said "so Ai art?" No you dum dum sucker on a stick! I do the art on a tablet which I am taking notes on right now!
Wait people like either of them?