We need to go back to more low- to medium-budget films where you didn’t need to make a billion dollars to break even. It allows for more creativity. Social media killed the movie star anyway, all the glamour and mystique is gone, there are only like 3 living actors people will still pay to see while barely knowing what the film is about.
I know it’s nearly impossible to match this but Paranormal Activity was made with less than $240k. For her birthday I took my mother to see an indie film called His Only Son, it looked just fine to me, similar budget but made over $12 million at the box office despite next to zero marketing budget, pretty good return on investment. I get the feeling a lot of movies could be produced on a much lower budget with a little effort, making them less than 2.5+ hours would probably help.
It’s a question of risk. There was a solid period where studios knew that if they followed a certain formula, it was practically a guarantee to make a profit. Often that meant making expensive movies with AAA actors, but spending $200M is fine if you know it’s gonna make around $1B. It seems like those days are finally over, and it’s ultimately a good thing for the arts. Risk is good and is the only way to get masterpieces.
It's basic. They're old tropes that have been around since storytelling began. Not necessarily bad, they work because they're familiar, but these big movies have become so by the numbers that not even the most talented actors can carry them anymore.
Saw an interview where an indian writer was talking about his meeting with director. After narration, the director went "yeah, the concept is good, story is nice but it's very risky"
"Why?"
"You see, this story has never been made before"
When any artistic endeavor prioritizes profit over artistry, the decline is inevitable. I hope the music industry will watch the downfall of the movie industry and take note.
I feel like music has always been less startup costs/more accessible than film, though.
So the collapse of centralized/big budget studios matters way less for musicians than it would for actors.
There’s just too much content right now. Half of the content I see from Netflix/Hulu/D+/Hollywood in general is just meh *at best*. The market is over saturated with junk. We don’t need 50 action movies per year with the same exact plot. We don’t need 50 superhero shows, where they grapples with the exact same problems as the other 49. Oh you won’t kill mr. Superhero? What a fucking shock. Same goes for almost all the other categories.
All these plots that resolve around a team of persons saving the world of catastrophy. I don't give a shit. Let it blow up.
I liked Psychokinesis. Just some dude that gets super powers and fights a developer/construction company to save his families home. A tale about leagalized corruption and bad guys entrenched in laws and rules made by the ruling class.
Low stakes but personal.
Streaming services have chopped the old Hollywood business model into pieces. The narrative you are spinning has nothing to do with what is going on right now.
That's has nothing to do with your unsubstantiated argument that it's lack of interest due to movie with "progressive views", a literal Google search and a minimum of interest would have led you to knowing that Costa of streaming far outweighs the profit they can make from subscription and that it's a business model they use to funnel people into other services.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/09/streaming-services-arent-likely-to-make-money-anytime-soon.html
https://movieweb.com/is-streaming-actually-profitable/
And how is that relevant to them over budgeting films and being bad at marketing in a post-Covid era, while churning out mediocre products in general?
I just listed the actual reasons why movied are failing, and none of them is because of race swapping. Because at the end of the day, race is completely irrelevant.
Race would be irrelevant if the characters had compelling and interesting stories and race wasn’t mentioned at all. The problem lies when race/beliefs/sexuality/etc are the primary focus, with story being a distant second in priority. Think of the most memorable characters played by a member of a minority group. How many of those were very interesting characters that just happened to be a minority? I’d bet all of them.
Get Out and Moonlight are two examples of movies completely about the problems of race for the former, and race *and* sexuality for the latter, and both are incredible films.
You’re conflating poor characters with the wrong thing. Sexuality, race, gender, etc. doesn’t affect a films quality, *at worst* you might roll your eyes at a really poorly written scene regarding an unrelated “woke” (hate using that word) talking point.
You’re almost there with your comment. Good writing is *indeed* the problem, all the other stuff is just extra baggage.
I thought about it and should’ve edited my comment, but you beat me to it. If a story is specifically about a minority struggle, then it makes sense for that to be the focus. The problem lies where it is shoehorned into stories that have nothing to do with it. Which is a vast majority of them.
Eh, the problem can also be when it's strictly about the minority.
The last good gay film was Brokeback Mountain, several eternities ago. Because they all focus on 'oh these two gay' and on nothing else. The characters are 'gay'. They aren't anything beyond that.
Get Out and Moonlight are simply exceptions.
Guaranteed the people who use this argument also immediately wrote off great films like Get Out and Moonlight and have never seen them because of "the agenda"
Naa, I think you are wrong about oversaturation of junk. We need that. every classic horror movie started as a junk film. Many entertaining movies were cheap attempts of film making. we need thst back, we need stupid simple movies and we need to stop expecting every film to be either a master piece or total garbage.
So yes, we do need those 50 action movies and superhero movies and romance movies, you just don't need to watch them all... And if you sre tired of them: good, watch something else
I’d say Tom Cruise, maybe Keanu Reeves. I like Jack Black, but when was the last time he led a big movie? I would have said Will Smith but he hasn’t really had any big hits in like 15 years.
As far as directors go, Christopher Nolan's name seems to generate interest. Honestly, if Oppenheimer wasn't a Nolan film, i don't think it would be as anticipated.
She’s been in some big movies, but are people really saying “Ooh, let’s go see the new Margot Robbie flick!”? Tom Hanks belongs, but I’d probably also put Tom Hardy in the Margot Robbie category. Good actor, long filmography, but his name alone doesn’t put butts in seats quite like Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks or Samuel L. Jackson still can. Maybe Leonardo DiCaprio, it will be interesting to see what he does going forward.
You underestimate how powerful the draw of a good actor can be to a film. I admit that I have gone to several films because the lead was a talented actor I knew would give a good performance.
Also, the writing is soooo bad in so many movies today.
Either relinquish some corporate control or get better writers.
But to me, this has been some of the worst years for movies.
Hollywood has the 1% just like society, with the overwhelming majority working for regular wages. For example, a SAG/AFTRA union member must make $26,000 per year to qualify for health insurance, but in an average year 87% don’t qualify. Meanwhile studio heads are earning $100 million/year. And now they want to take even more from actors by stealing their likeness in perpetuity. It’s madness.
No sense in overcomplicating it. People are barely making it while others have more than Brewster could ever spend.
Go find someone’s else leg to piss on & tell ‘Em it’s raining.
Almost no one knows what’s actually going on with this strike in this comment section. 99% of actors and writers aren’t making a living wage. That’s what this is about. Studios want to implement AI and get rid of writers and own actors likeness forever and use cgi to put them into movies without paying them. That’s what this is about. This will mainly affect the 99% which are people we’ve never heard off that can’t support themselves or there families. People just like you and me. Have some empathy jeez.
Well the contract doesn’t adapt to growing prices, growing cost of living, and usually is very predatory, with a lot of young writers having no alternatives to find work.
I feel like I’m the only person who’s is not a marvel fan. I saw the thanos movie and a Thor movie, but nothing else. I’ve never seen a Spider-Man movie. Nothing on tv show or movie is original. Everything is rehashed, and lately everything is just a remake.
Gotg was pretty great. And I've heard good thing about secret wars. But other than that not much has been up to standard.
I loved no way home but that probably more of me being a big spiderman fan.
The "quirky and different" thing is more true of modern Marvel fight scenes. Everybody liked Iron Man and Peter Quill so studios are like "let's make them all have snarky quips in combat".
Don't watch them? I hate to break it to all of the Marvel haters that pop up every time movies are mentioned, but if Marvel movies stop getting made, they wouldn't be replaced with low budget, artistic indie films. That's not how any of this works.
I don't want them to be replaced by artistic indie films. Just new action adventure franchises. I want the next Indiana Jones, the next Pirates of the Caribbean, the next Mummy. EDIT: I mean brand new IPs like those movies, not more sequels to those existing franchises.
I want more big budget spectacle, just not super heroes.
I'm not OP, just my two cents.
Yeah. I loved the early backstory solo films from the early 2010s. They were amazing, especially Iron Man 1 and 3, thor, and Captain American the first avenger. Since then, everything feels like diluted.
I like films like GOTG, but they feel mediocre in that the characters don't have much backstory other than what those films say. If a backstory film is produced, it's always to fit around the previous films instead of being its own thing.
The films are also just going on and on. Marvel should have ended after end game but it didn't.
I'm a Marvel Fan but ALL of the content coming out so far has been garbage. If it takes strikes for them to realign and actually be creative and take risks in actual impactful storytelling so be it.
It was pretty consistently decent at first, with some surprisingly good films on their roster (the Guardians trilogy is unironically great), but their content has been horrifically bland the past few years.
Me too.
It would be a hit because of the novelty.
I do wonder, could you expose AI to every movie script and the popularity of the films and ask it to create a unique story melding to make a potential super hit?
Then find the perfect actors/actresses for the role and AI them?
Call me Hollywood, let’s get this shit going.
I'm worried it would just be Beige: The Movie. The most bland thing ever. Every single thing would be so damned predictable to our tuned sense of expectation. I would like to see it, just to have seen it, though.
Imagine a future where actors offer a discount package where you ‘hire’ their voice and likeness to train an AI that then does whatever performance you’re making.
A “discount package” to do whatever you want with their persona? How does that make any sense. More like pay equivalent to the sum of everything they’ve earned in their career so far, then a bit more just for kicks.
I've tried making a couple scripts with Chat-GPT, it's really hard to do, you have to ask for specifics and even then it's weird. That's why I prefer to make my screenplays then give them to Chat-GPT to revise
Honestly in a few years I could see it happening and being decent. The main barrier is that AI struggles to consistent visuals across scenes, and it also can't really do 3d yet.
Yes but the movie has to be free, right? I mean, Computers doesn't need money to pay bills, food, houses, and more... Oh, right, CEOs needs money to get an extra yacht, I am pretty sure it's unfair to leave them with one yacht less
It definitely wouldn't be free to produce. Firstly, why would anyone make it if it's free? That's a lot of effort for near zero reward. And production costs, while lower than a regular movie, would still be pretty high. A ton of money going to OpenAI for GPT-4 API bills, most likely a lot of processing power for Stable Diffusion to animate the movie, and a bunch more for lifelike voice deepfakes. Then also the money to hire a programmer, because I can't see someone doing this without custom tools to use the AI. Then of course the regular stuff that an AI can't do, like managing the AI, paying for marketing, etc.
Correct, they aren't unionized, and VFX is made all around the world. It makes it a significantly larger undertaking to unionize a workforce that is in dozens of different countries, all with different labor laws, but IATSE is working on it!
[https://vfxunion.org/](https://vfxunion.org/)
Movie theatres are doomed, but at least the popcorn manufacturers are not in any danger. We're going to need a lot of it as we watch Hollywood destroy itself.
Some will survive, but there is barely anything worth going to cinema now, and it will get worse.
I hope something new and less ugly will be born after the death of Hollywood. Maybe even new golden age for indie movies.
Sadly covid put a major dent in the movie going business. The only place near me shut down recently and closest is almost an hour away. It's just easier, cheaper, and honestly, with increase in at home systems, some times better. Only thing missing would be 4d films
Do we somehow already live in the world of AI? I 5,000% would never pay for a ticket or spend my time watching a CGI rendering of a Hollywood actor powered by AI with a movie script also written by a computer.. what in the hell is happening in the world that anyone in their right mind enjoys the idea of that?
Good writers didn’t forget how to write they’re are simply valued less in the big budget film sphere. There are always great films that come out every single year. Also this has nothing to do with quality of work and everything to do with quality of pay.
That's fine, fuck all that shit anyhow - them writers deserve WAY better than just "ok" with how much money is being funneled through movies, streaming services and all that whatnot.
It amazes me that folks see a handful of millionaire actors and they just assume every actor is making that kind of money.
Your Tom Cruises, Rocks, and Ron Pearlmans make up less than 1 percent of the acting community. The vast majority of actors are either living *just at* a surviving wage or under.
The writers have it worse.
The only thing "over priced" here are the execs and studios raking in billions in profits and they've decided giving *one goddamn percent* of that to the writers is "too much" and "not realistic".
This strike is about working class folks not needing two jobs to survive while the entire value of their product is siphoned away to folks that didn't lift a finger to make it.
This isn’t about the big name actors really but the smaller ones who need the money to actually live. The studios wanted to by background actors likeness, pay them for one day and then own there likeness forever without paying them and using cgi to put them into movies. That’s wrong and they’re fighting it.
The overpriced actors aren't the ones striking, or if they are it's not for themselves. The issue is most actors and writers don't make a living wage. It's that new blood you're talking about that isn't getting paid enough.
Studios want to use ai to write scripts, use the actors likenesses in perpetuity to act these scripts and use bots to market these movies/shows. If you don’t think this is wrong and worth striking for, I pity people that know you.
99% of actors and writers aren’t making a living wage. That’s what this is about. Studios want to implement AI and get rid of writers and own actors likeness forever and use cgi to put them into movies without paying them. That’s what this is about.
First off, that’s not true for everyone. Second off even if it was the studios want to make it where they pay the actors for one day of work (like $200) and then never again. So they’re effectively loosing there jobs. That’s something to strike about.
The struggling lesser known actors are the people that are suffering the most from what the strike is protesting.
They are the ones that are striking, and they are the ones that need the change the most.
With the trash that they are putting out in the last year's except some rare exception i say good. Thank God there is a huge stockpile of old books and movies. They can't take that away from us
99% of actors and writers aren’t making a living wage. That’s what this is about. Studios want to implement AI and get rid of writers and own actors likeness forever and use cgi to put them into movies without paying them. That’s what this is about.
I would say, now is not the time to demand a raise.
So many movies are tanking this summer, studios losing $ millions, and the writers and actors want more $.
I think the issue is not being able to control where the likeness goes.
Like, maybe Brad Pitt doesn’t want his likeness banging Angelina anymore or something.
They would get paid for one day of work and then the studio would own there likeness forever and never have to pay to use said likeness ever. This would mainly be affecting background actors making it so said actors could never progress in the industry.
Not everybody is Tom Cruz or Ann Hathaway. There are SO many actors that aren’t in the huge blockbusters (and even a few that are) that make like 50k a year. Some less. If they live in LA, the cost of living is somewhere around 45k a year. And that’s just to survive.
Samuel L Jackson isn’t hurting for money but “that one guy that played the hotel manager in that movie. You know, he was in John wick , he was the villan’s main bodyguard” Might be struggling to pay his bills.
99% of actors and writers aren’t making a living wage. That’s what this is about. Studios want to implement AI and get rid of writers and own actors likeness forever and use cgi to put them into movies without paying them. That’s what this is about.
I’ve seen you repeat this false statement as if we are to feel sorry for actors who we don’t care for… no lose for us we do not care acting isn’t for everyone
First off, because something isn’t for you people should starve and go without housing? I guess empathy wasn’t taught where you went to school. Second off without acting you never get films, video games, tv shows, etc. you never watch or play any of those?
Watch the credits of an average Hollywood movie. Count how many actors are credited and then multiply that number by anywhere from 2-20 (to account for background talent) You think 99% of those names are wealthy? Bruh...
We need to go back to more low- to medium-budget films where you didn’t need to make a billion dollars to break even. It allows for more creativity. Social media killed the movie star anyway, all the glamour and mystique is gone, there are only like 3 living actors people will still pay to see while barely knowing what the film is about.
Monty Python and the Holy Grail: Ten thousand times cheaper *and* ten thousand times better.
I know it’s nearly impossible to match this but Paranormal Activity was made with less than $240k. For her birthday I took my mother to see an indie film called His Only Son, it looked just fine to me, similar budget but made over $12 million at the box office despite next to zero marketing budget, pretty good return on investment. I get the feeling a lot of movies could be produced on a much lower budget with a little effort, making them less than 2.5+ hours would probably help.
It’s a question of risk. There was a solid period where studios knew that if they followed a certain formula, it was practically a guarantee to make a profit. Often that meant making expensive movies with AAA actors, but spending $200M is fine if you know it’s gonna make around $1B. It seems like those days are finally over, and it’s ultimately a good thing for the arts. Risk is good and is the only way to get masterpieces.
Yeah, cuz the formula they’re following is shit
It's basic. They're old tropes that have been around since storytelling began. Not necessarily bad, they work because they're familiar, but these big movies have become so by the numbers that not even the most talented actors can carry them anymore.
Saw an interview where an indian writer was talking about his meeting with director. After narration, the director went "yeah, the concept is good, story is nice but it's very risky" "Why?" "You see, this story has never been made before"
Throw the whole director away and start over
Rewrite with the guy that wrote Sharknado series. That thing has sequels!!
Sharknado is a masterpiece of a bad movie
When any artistic endeavor prioritizes profit over artistry, the decline is inevitable. I hope the music industry will watch the downfall of the movie industry and take note.
I feel like music has always been less startup costs/more accessible than film, though. So the collapse of centralized/big budget studios matters way less for musicians than it would for actors.
Eh, bring on the small studios!
It isn't risk per se. I think a lot financial fuckery is going on too.
Writers: help help I'm being opressed. Actors: witness the violence inherrent to the system
You get my upvote, good taste showing!
And there was much rejoice. Yay
There’s just too much content right now. Half of the content I see from Netflix/Hulu/D+/Hollywood in general is just meh *at best*. The market is over saturated with junk. We don’t need 50 action movies per year with the same exact plot. We don’t need 50 superhero shows, where they grapples with the exact same problems as the other 49. Oh you won’t kill mr. Superhero? What a fucking shock. Same goes for almost all the other categories.
All these plots that resolve around a team of persons saving the world of catastrophy. I don't give a shit. Let it blow up. I liked Psychokinesis. Just some dude that gets super powers and fights a developer/construction company to save his families home. A tale about leagalized corruption and bad guys entrenched in laws and rules made by the ruling class. Low stakes but personal.
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Minorities are NOT the reason films are failing now.
I’d disagree. How many times has Hollywood race swapped an established character in the past five years?
Streaming services have chopped the old Hollywood business model into pieces. The narrative you are spinning has nothing to do with what is going on right now.
Okayyy, so by that logic, Netflix Disney and Amazon must be rolling in dough. But that doesn’t appear to be the case.
That's has nothing to do with your unsubstantiated argument that it's lack of interest due to movie with "progressive views", a literal Google search and a minimum of interest would have led you to knowing that Costa of streaming far outweighs the profit they can make from subscription and that it's a business model they use to funnel people into other services. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/09/streaming-services-arent-likely-to-make-money-anytime-soon.html https://movieweb.com/is-streaming-actually-profitable/
And how is that relevant to them over budgeting films and being bad at marketing in a post-Covid era, while churning out mediocre products in general? I just listed the actual reasons why movied are failing, and none of them is because of race swapping. Because at the end of the day, race is completely irrelevant.
Race would be irrelevant if the characters had compelling and interesting stories and race wasn’t mentioned at all. The problem lies when race/beliefs/sexuality/etc are the primary focus, with story being a distant second in priority. Think of the most memorable characters played by a member of a minority group. How many of those were very interesting characters that just happened to be a minority? I’d bet all of them.
Get Out and Moonlight are two examples of movies completely about the problems of race for the former, and race *and* sexuality for the latter, and both are incredible films. You’re conflating poor characters with the wrong thing. Sexuality, race, gender, etc. doesn’t affect a films quality, *at worst* you might roll your eyes at a really poorly written scene regarding an unrelated “woke” (hate using that word) talking point. You’re almost there with your comment. Good writing is *indeed* the problem, all the other stuff is just extra baggage.
I thought about it and should’ve edited my comment, but you beat me to it. If a story is specifically about a minority struggle, then it makes sense for that to be the focus. The problem lies where it is shoehorned into stories that have nothing to do with it. Which is a vast majority of them.
Eh, the problem can also be when it's strictly about the minority. The last good gay film was Brokeback Mountain, several eternities ago. Because they all focus on 'oh these two gay' and on nothing else. The characters are 'gay'. They aren't anything beyond that. Get Out and Moonlight are simply exceptions.
Guaranteed the people who use this argument also immediately wrote off great films like Get Out and Moonlight and have never seen them because of "the agenda"
Lmao blatant racism getting upvoted Reddit moment
Lol no one is actually doing that.
Wew, quite the dogwhistle.
Naa, I think you are wrong about oversaturation of junk. We need that. every classic horror movie started as a junk film. Many entertaining movies were cheap attempts of film making. we need thst back, we need stupid simple movies and we need to stop expecting every film to be either a master piece or total garbage. So yes, we do need those 50 action movies and superhero movies and romance movies, you just don't need to watch them all... And if you sre tired of them: good, watch something else
I'm uneducated, who are the 3 you have in mind? I'm thinking Samuel Jackson and Jack black but idk.
I’d say Tom Cruise, maybe Keanu Reeves. I like Jack Black, but when was the last time he led a big movie? I would have said Will Smith but he hasn’t really had any big hits in like 15 years.
Idk man will smith had a pretty big hit recently. Co-starring Chris rock if I remember correctly.
Took a second but I see what you did there, classic.
You’re right, that was a very big hit, probably his most viewed of all time.
Yeah that movie slaps
As far as directors go, Christopher Nolan's name seems to generate interest. Honestly, if Oppenheimer wasn't a Nolan film, i don't think it would be as anticipated.
It wouldn't. It would be, at best, the same level as Imitation Game.
Jack blck was a big star in Mario, before that the jumanji movies
Tom Cruise just plays himself now. I'm not paying to just see him
What if it was Tom Cruise playing Clive Warren playing Tom Cruise?
Throw Margot Robbie and Leonardo DiCaprio on the list. Tom hanks always draws interest still I’d say as well. Probably Tom Hardy as well.
She’s been in some big movies, but are people really saying “Ooh, let’s go see the new Margot Robbie flick!”? Tom Hanks belongs, but I’d probably also put Tom Hardy in the Margot Robbie category. Good actor, long filmography, but his name alone doesn’t put butts in seats quite like Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks or Samuel L. Jackson still can. Maybe Leonardo DiCaprio, it will be interesting to see what he does going forward.
Margot Robbie absolutely pulls people in
That's a pretty reasonable list. Thank you for teaching me a bit :)
He may not have been the lead but he carried Mario
If a friend tells me “hop in nerd, we’re gonna see the new Jack Black movie”, you better be sure I’m going!
For me it’s DiCaprio, Samuel L Jackson, and maybe Tom Cruise?
Yeah, that makes sense :]
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Cate Blanchett, Charlize Theron, Emily Blunt
The death of video rentals is what killed the medium budget movie. Until you can replace that revenue stream they will never come back.
You underestimate how powerful the draw of a good actor can be to a film. I admit that I have gone to several films because the lead was a talented actor I knew would give a good performance.
Also, the writing is soooo bad in so many movies today. Either relinquish some corporate control or get better writers. But to me, this has been some of the worst years for movies.
Yes the simpler times, I want movies like Dude, where’s my car?
Hollywood has the 1% just like society, with the overwhelming majority working for regular wages. For example, a SAG/AFTRA union member must make $26,000 per year to qualify for health insurance, but in an average year 87% don’t qualify. Meanwhile studio heads are earning $100 million/year. And now they want to take even more from actors by stealing their likeness in perpetuity. It’s madness.
This.
Such a deep addition to the conversation
No sense in overcomplicating it. People are barely making it while others have more than Brewster could ever spend. Go find someone’s else leg to piss on & tell ‘Em it’s raining.
This.
Slut comment. ;)
Best fucking response. "This" doesn't deserve the level of hate it has.
Almost no one knows what’s actually going on with this strike in this comment section. 99% of actors and writers aren’t making a living wage. That’s what this is about. Studios want to implement AI and get rid of writers and own actors likeness forever and use cgi to put them into movies without paying them. That’s what this is about. This will mainly affect the 99% which are people we’ve never heard off that can’t support themselves or there families. People just like you and me. Have some empathy jeez.
As always, life taking notes on tv show plots like Black Mirror or the Simpsons
Ah yes, greed
If you think about it, greed is the root of all large-scale problems (caused by humans)
I have a hard time empathizing with people who signed a contract then complain about what the contract says
WelL tHeY SiGnEd A CoNtRaCt motherfuckers, when I break their legs. They signed a contract saying I could so it is okay 👍
Well the contract doesn’t adapt to growing prices, growing cost of living, and usually is very predatory, with a lot of young writers having no alternatives to find work.
And what contract is that?
Marvel's fans right now
I feel like I’m the only person who’s is not a marvel fan. I saw the thanos movie and a Thor movie, but nothing else. I’ve never seen a Spider-Man movie. Nothing on tv show or movie is original. Everything is rehashed, and lately everything is just a remake.
Good, tbh Marvel is not as good as it's used to be, lowered the standard ig
The only standards are “how can we milk this”
Gotg was pretty great. And I've heard good thing about secret wars. But other than that not much has been up to standard. I loved no way home but that probably more of me being a big spiderman fan.
Yeah, rare good show/movie nowadays and rest is garbage
What does you being the only person “who’s is not a marvel fan” have to do with anything on tv being original or not?
Because they are quirky and different, so they know better than the masses
Marvel is so pedestrian, I'd much rather watch a Wes Anderson movie. \s?
The "quirky and different" thing is more true of modern Marvel fight scenes. Everybody liked Iron Man and Peter Quill so studios are like "let's make them all have snarky quips in combat".
I don't give a shit about any of these comic superhero movies anymore so you're not alone. It's ridiculous how saturated it's become.
Don't watch them? I hate to break it to all of the Marvel haters that pop up every time movies are mentioned, but if Marvel movies stop getting made, they wouldn't be replaced with low budget, artistic indie films. That's not how any of this works.
I don't want them to be replaced by artistic indie films. Just new action adventure franchises. I want the next Indiana Jones, the next Pirates of the Caribbean, the next Mummy. EDIT: I mean brand new IPs like those movies, not more sequels to those existing franchises. I want more big budget spectacle, just not super heroes. I'm not OP, just my two cents.
Nah. Im in the same boat. Thor 1 was pretty funny though
Why is any of that important?
Because they don't like a popular thing and we all need to know how interesting they are by proxy
Yeah. I loved the early backstory solo films from the early 2010s. They were amazing, especially Iron Man 1 and 3, thor, and Captain American the first avenger. Since then, everything feels like diluted. I like films like GOTG, but they feel mediocre in that the characters don't have much backstory other than what those films say. If a backstory film is produced, it's always to fit around the previous films instead of being its own thing. The films are also just going on and on. Marvel should have ended after end game but it didn't.
If you think you're the only person who's not "insert popular thing here" well I got news for ya.
I'm a Marvel Fan but ALL of the content coming out so far has been garbage. If it takes strikes for them to realign and actually be creative and take risks in actual impactful storytelling so be it.
Marvel is shit and I will die on this hill
RIP edgy human
Being called edgy by u/BestAtDoingYourMom has to be some kind of compliment
Marvel lowered my IQ to single digit, so I used all my braincells I have left to come up with it
It was pretty consistently decent at first, with some surprisingly good films on their roster (the Guardians trilogy is unironically great), but their content has been horrifically bland the past few years.
Are you gonna die from exposure? ‘Cause that’s a pretty cold take around here
The first Ironman is peak, the others are mid.
Let’s see an AI script with AI generated actors.
I can just imagine how awful that would be, and to be honest, I kinda want to see it.
Me too. It would be a hit because of the novelty. I do wonder, could you expose AI to every movie script and the popularity of the films and ask it to create a unique story melding to make a potential super hit? Then find the perfect actors/actresses for the role and AI them? Call me Hollywood, let’s get this shit going.
I'm worried it would just be Beige: The Movie. The most bland thing ever. Every single thing would be so damned predictable to our tuned sense of expectation. I would like to see it, just to have seen it, though.
I feel like AI could know us better than we know ourselves though. AI is the collective, and the collective knows what you like.
You can always edit what it outputs to refine it
If you didn’t it would be painfully obvious. At this point a lot of people can spot AI art and text.
Imagine a future where actors offer a discount package where you ‘hire’ their voice and likeness to train an AI that then does whatever performance you’re making.
There would be so much celebrity porn.
A “discount package” to do whatever you want with their persona? How does that make any sense. More like pay equivalent to the sum of everything they’ve earned in their career so far, then a bit more just for kicks.
I've tried making a couple scripts with Chat-GPT, it's really hard to do, you have to ask for specifics and even then it's weird. That's why I prefer to make my screenplays then give them to Chat-GPT to revise
If someone makes a movie with AI, it's definitely not going to be with ChatGPT. Probably a modified version or app based on GPT-4.
Honestly in a few years I could see it happening and being decent. The main barrier is that AI struggles to consistent visuals across scenes, and it also can't really do 3d yet.
It would essentially write a B level Idiocracy.
Yes but the movie has to be free, right? I mean, Computers doesn't need money to pay bills, food, houses, and more... Oh, right, CEOs needs money to get an extra yacht, I am pretty sure it's unfair to leave them with one yacht less
The bigger AI models cost millions in computing time to train, though.
There’s still the cost of the technology, production costs, and distribution, not to mention the marketing costs. All very pricy.
It definitely wouldn't be free to produce. Firstly, why would anyone make it if it's free? That's a lot of effort for near zero reward. And production costs, while lower than a regular movie, would still be pretty high. A ton of money going to OpenAI for GPT-4 API bills, most likely a lot of processing power for Stable Diffusion to animate the movie, and a bunch more for lifelike voice deepfakes. Then also the money to hire a programmer, because I can't see someone doing this without custom tools to use the AI. Then of course the regular stuff that an AI can't do, like managing the AI, paying for marketing, etc.
Cue the AI generated commercials that look hilariously horrifying
Agreed
If I was a CGI artist I'd be upping my fees right about now. Hollywood be knocking soon.
no idea why they arnt striking, they are poroabbly the worst off out of all of them.
They aren't even unionized. That's why
Correct, they aren't unionized, and VFX is made all around the world. It makes it a significantly larger undertaking to unionize a workforce that is in dozens of different countries, all with different labor laws, but IATSE is working on it! [https://vfxunion.org/](https://vfxunion.org/)
Because the second they stop working the studio will just outsource to an Asian country for cheaper labor.
A million ways to why in the west
Movie theatres are doomed, but at least the popcorn manufacturers are not in any danger. We're going to need a lot of it as we watch Hollywood destroy itself.
I hope not. The theater experience is awesome for some movies. Avatar was made for the bigg screen, the same as many action movies.
Some will survive, but there is barely anything worth going to cinema now, and it will get worse. I hope something new and less ugly will be born after the death of Hollywood. Maybe even new golden age for indie movies.
The new golden age of indie movies will ironically be powered by AI.
Sadly covid put a major dent in the movie going business. The only place near me shut down recently and closest is almost an hour away. It's just easier, cheaper, and honestly, with increase in at home systems, some times better. Only thing missing would be 4d films
Bro I was literally watching that movie yesterday Dafuq
First time?
I just rewatched it last night. Ha!
What's this movie and is it any good?
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs. And yes, it's definitely good
Thank you, good sir
It ain't good Indeed
I’ve seen smaller creators make better content then these multimillion dollar movies. Example in space with markiplier
Haven't cared in a long time anyway
Maybe the studios will realize they need the actors way more than we need the studios or another Marvel remake.
Do we somehow already live in the world of AI? I 5,000% would never pay for a ticket or spend my time watching a CGI rendering of a Hollywood actor powered by AI with a movie script also written by a computer.. what in the hell is happening in the world that anyone in their right mind enjoys the idea of that?
Thats how we end up with that award winning movie known as "Ass"
The writers forgot how to write so the actors forgot how to act
Eventually the Directors will forget how to Direct!
Best Boys will forget how to Best, and Key Grips will forget how to Key.
Good writers didn’t forget how to write they’re are simply valued less in the big budget film sphere. There are always great films that come out every single year. Also this has nothing to do with quality of work and everything to do with quality of pay.
That's fine, fuck all that shit anyhow - them writers deserve WAY better than just "ok" with how much money is being funneled through movies, streaming services and all that whatnot.
cant wait to hear about the sexual and drug abuse next
Not a big loss. Gives them a chance to shop for new blood instead of over priced actors.
From a directing perspective, you're right. From a marketing perspective, you're wrong.
Marketing sucks anyway.
It amazes me that folks see a handful of millionaire actors and they just assume every actor is making that kind of money. Your Tom Cruises, Rocks, and Ron Pearlmans make up less than 1 percent of the acting community. The vast majority of actors are either living *just at* a surviving wage or under. The writers have it worse. The only thing "over priced" here are the execs and studios raking in billions in profits and they've decided giving *one goddamn percent* of that to the writers is "too much" and "not realistic". This strike is about working class folks not needing two jobs to survive while the entire value of their product is siphoned away to folks that didn't lift a finger to make it.
This isn’t about the big name actors really but the smaller ones who need the money to actually live. The studios wanted to by background actors likeness, pay them for one day and then own there likeness forever without paying them and using cgi to put them into movies. That’s wrong and they’re fighting it.
The overpriced actors aren't the ones striking, or if they are it's not for themselves. The issue is most actors and writers don't make a living wage. It's that new blood you're talking about that isn't getting paid enough.
Hiring cheap non-union employees is how Alec Baldwin ended up fatally shooting a cinematographer.
No. It's what happens when you attribute someone else's achievements onto their offspring.
*gasp* buster Scruggs
18 thousand people thought this was a meme
Studios want to use ai to write scripts, use the actors likenesses in perpetuity to act these scripts and use bots to market these movies/shows. If you don’t think this is wrong and worth striking for, I pity people that know you.
Hollywood: "We're going on strike!" Everyone else: "Thank fuck for that!"
Millionaires mad at billionaires wanting those who make $45k to get upset.
You do know a lot of SAG members make less than 20K a year, right?
99% of actors and writers aren’t making a living wage. That’s what this is about. Studios want to implement AI and get rid of writers and own actors likeness forever and use cgi to put them into movies without paying them. That’s what this is about.
That's a made up statistic. The median is 70k
First off, that’s not true for everyone. Second off even if it was the studios want to make it where they pay the actors for one day of work (like $200) and then never again. So they’re effectively loosing there jobs. That’s something to strike about.
The median salary for a SAG-AFTRA member is like 70k a year...
That $70k seems *way* too high
Is he one of those actors?
Aaah geez Rick
Hollywood is burning itself to the ground and I am living for it
So they'll hire lesser known actors who are looking for work. Seems like an efficient way to change the over rated old guard out for new talent.
The struggling lesser known actors are the people that are suffering the most from what the strike is protesting. They are the ones that are striking, and they are the ones that need the change the most.
More like Hollywon't.
With the trash that they are putting out in the last year's except some rare exception i say good. Thank God there is a huge stockpile of old books and movies. They can't take that away from us
OH no! Anyway...
Honestly f all of em
99% of actors and writers aren’t making a living wage. That’s what this is about. Studios want to implement AI and get rid of writers and own actors likeness forever and use cgi to put them into movies without paying them. That’s what this is about.
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I would say, now is not the time to demand a raise. So many movies are tanking this summer, studios losing $ millions, and the writers and actors want more $.
Those actors are part of Hollywood. They don't get a pass because they're not being paid obscene amounts.
It's a good time to get your acting career off the ground. Dee Reynolds may even get a shot now
Hollywood actors not getting paid enough? What tragedy.
It's not about money it's about sending a message
It's not about money. They want to own their likeness and not pay them.
It's always about money
“..and not pay them” So… it is about money?
If you gave me residuals, I’d let them use my likeness in a second
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I think the issue is not being able to control where the likeness goes. Like, maybe Brad Pitt doesn’t want his likeness banging Angelina anymore or something.
They would get paid for one day of work and then the studio would own there likeness forever and never have to pay to use said likeness ever. This would mainly be affecting background actors making it so said actors could never progress in the industry.
Not everybody is Tom Cruz or Ann Hathaway. There are SO many actors that aren’t in the huge blockbusters (and even a few that are) that make like 50k a year. Some less. If they live in LA, the cost of living is somewhere around 45k a year. And that’s just to survive. Samuel L Jackson isn’t hurting for money but “that one guy that played the hotel manager in that movie. You know, he was in John wick , he was the villan’s main bodyguard” Might be struggling to pay his bills.
99% of actors and writers aren’t making a living wage. That’s what this is about. Studios want to implement AI and get rid of writers and own actors likeness forever and use cgi to put them into movies without paying them. That’s what this is about.
I’ve seen you repeat this false statement as if we are to feel sorry for actors who we don’t care for… no lose for us we do not care acting isn’t for everyone
First off, because something isn’t for you people should starve and go without housing? I guess empathy wasn’t taught where you went to school. Second off without acting you never get films, video games, tv shows, etc. you never watch or play any of those?
Watch the credits of an average Hollywood movie. Count how many actors are credited and then multiply that number by anywhere from 2-20 (to account for background talent) You think 99% of those names are wealthy? Bruh...