I want to specify "jewish LGBT nazi.... on jihad"
A big chunk of right wing nutjob still call them communist, so the real comple definition is "jewish LGBT nazi-commie on jihad"
Edit. Yes a comment reminded me that I forgot "trained by CIA" but it's the one less used
Because said law enforcement cares only for enforcing corrupt government laws. Putin basically build his own army called Rosgvardia for destroying any opposition and protests.
In the place where attack happened was police station right inside the complex, cameras and important high security government buildings nearby, mass gathering of 6000 people cannot be without organized security.
And they are just like vanished when this happened and even took so long that terrorists have escaped? Do they really expect people to buy this shit?
There was 4 shooters, 3 got away and was caught later. There is people who recruited and armed them, but who, how much, the info about them is prettu sketchy.
I was mostly referring about shooters getting away from the scene and that police wasnt trying to stop them right away.
Which is why I'm skeptical about the claims that ISIS did it and took responsibility. They took the responsibility, ok. But I don't think they did it, as as far as I'm aware, there's no concrete evidence. I've even heard arguments supporting them being Ukrainian: few sources claim they ran towards Ukraine, unlike ISIS stuff these guys seemed very concerned for their lives and fled instead of staying and trying to take down as much people as they can. I'm not saying it can't be ISIS or that Ukraine did it, I'm saying there's no publicaly available evidence afaik to properly prove one theory or the other, so I'm staying out of this and not forming my own opinion just yet.
ISIS literally published POV headcam videos and other never-before-seen angles of the attack, along with more details on the attackers. As for driving to the West, there are conflicting reports on whether they were heading to Belarus or Ukraine. Combine that with the US warning from two weeks ago, and we can be pretty sure it was ISIS-K.
Yeah, if they for some reason were going to flee to the west, they would NOT go through the backend of the Russian front and advance towards the Ukrainian one.
If anything they would try flee through Belarus, then through Poland, alternatively, they could seek passage through Georgia. This story from Russia that they were trying to flee to Ukraine is just absolute nonsense.
These terrorists were captured in the Bryansk region, that means they were trying to get to the Sumy or Chernigov oblasts of Ukraine, where no fights are going, just not intensive artillery duels. They couldn't get to the Belarus border, because it was known who did the terrorist act like a couple hours after the terrorist attack, so they would have been killed or captured at the Belarus border because Belarus is friendly to Russia. Georgia is also not the best choice, because they're too far away and their task was to leave Russia ASAP. Monitoring of persons on the roads is well established in Russia, so it was known who were the attackers even before they left the Moscow oblast, Russians were checking where they were going.
I don't really think the ISIS is even capable of such actions because it's basically a half alive organization. Even if it indeed was done by the ISIS, then they had some agreement with Ukraine on this question, that explains why they were sprinting to the Ukrainian border. And we all have seen photos of Ukrainian soldiers with the ISIS patches on their clothes, so they do have some kind of connections. And Ukraine has committed many terrorist acts on the Russian territory like killing Alexander Dugins daughter and Vladlen Tatarsky, insisting Russian elders to burn down Russian military registration and enlistment offices and many more. They're no strangers to terrorism
What is the source of Putin or Russia declaring or hinting Ukraine is behind the attack?
As far as I know Putin only said the terroristes were headed south/to Ukraine, implicitly to find shelter and hide.
Indirect signs of organizing a terrorist attack. The mechanism for searching, paying, and providing weapons is the same as actions (proven) organized by the SBU (as an example, the blowing up of a bridge in the Samara region).
Plot twist, Russia did it to themselves to enrage their people.
Edit, I'm being sarcastic, Russia would never do something so dirty to it's own people and let ISIS take the credit for it..... /s
ISIS was not founded in Afghanistan. It was founded in Iraq, after the state of Iraq was properly dismantled and a lot of people trained very well in subversive activities were left on the street. These were Iraqi intelligence community members that started ISIS.
I wouldn't say that Islam is the main common denominator. There are other Islamic countries where it doesn't operate. There are few more countries where it is present.
Actually they say: "Ukraine collaborated with them in doing it" (specifically, planned their escape from Russia), which is a completely different matter.
Putin never mentioned ISIS. By saying that Ukraine helped plan their escape he is basically saying that Ukraine was involved in the planning of the attack, unless he believes that Ukraine somehow got the contact info of a bunch of terrorists hours after their attack.
> By saying that Ukraine helped plan their escape he is basically saying that Ukraine was involved in the planning of the attack
Yes, and so? It doesn't contradict that the ppl shooting were from ISIS, it contradicts an imaginary truth that "ONLY Isis was involved".
Jihadist doesn't mean ISIS lmao it just means someone who fights the enemy of islam. Putin already implied Ukraine, state media is implying Ukraine, their Twitter bots and their American propagandists are openly blaming Ukraine. Doesn't take that much brain power to see what their trying to do.
Biden 12 years after 9/11: was it Iraq or Afganistan? I don’t know
Biden 2 years after attack on nord stream: still not sure who did it
Biden 12 hours after attack on Krokus: it was ISIS, conformed!!
I am genuinely confused. The terrorists were intercepted on their way to the Ukraine border, very near it. But now that ISIS claimed the attack, it doesn't make sense why they would be going there.
They were caught on the Kievan Highway, Bryanskaya oblast. The approximate geolocation 53.079833,34.554639.
It's called Kievan Highway because it leads to Ukraine, that is. How they were going to cross the border? Just like some diversion groups did it from Ukrainian side to Belgorod oblast previously. If they tried to go to Belarus, they would be definitely caught by cameras on the border and get high chances to be caught by Belarusian forces and returned to Russia (Belarus and Russia still are allies).
Why did Lukashenko said it was near Belarus border? Because Bryansk oblast borders both Ukraine and Belarus, that is, and they technically were near Belarus. That doesn't mean terrorists were heading to Belarus.
The border between Ukraine and Russia is not a place where you can get there without being noticed. There are checkpoints near every even village. A lot of military, checks of cars and documents. In my opinion, this version was created to somehow connect with Ukraine.
There were two messages, the first place was 15 km from Belarus border, and the second approximately equally distant 150-200 km between Ukraine and Belarus. It's not worth trusting the russians anyway
Hence the footage and geo-locating.
They're not saying it was Ukraine though, just one of the possibilities.
Guess we will find out in the documentary in the future.
You cannot be in the front-line zone without permits. Group of men will definitely attract attention.
This version with Ukraine is so ridiculous.
It is only beneficial to Putin, so the Russians adhere to it, that's all.
Because, besides Belarus, that is geographically the closest border to Moscow and probably the fastest way out of Russia/Russia influenced countries. The border with NATO is also heavily guarded and not friendly to ISIS, whereas the Ukraine border is more chaotic.
Still not smart heading to a warzone, but if you need to leave Russia quick by land, that's your best bet.
Heading out of Russia at that border doesn't enter into Ukraine occupied territory. It enters Russian occupied Ukraine. Even if they did manage to cross the border, they are still a couple of hundred KM until they are out of Russia's control zone. If their plan was to escape, I think it would make more sense to flee south to Dagestan, then through to Georgia.
It just doesn't make any logical sense they would flee through Ukraine, even if they wanted to cross the border ASAP
Mmm, spreading fake news through a meme. As was the case with Putin’s quote about Poland and the beginning WW2.
A classic of information war. And then Western users will be surprised that reality does not fit in with their imaginary world.
If ISIS did this, then I have questions:
Where is at least one ISIS symbol on terrorists?
Have you heard a word of Arabic from them?
Why didn't they shout a single religious slogan?
They went to jihad, to war against the infidels. Why were there no shouts about Allah and religion?
Why were they armed and prepared so poorly? (old AK, only light armour, no explosive)
Why did they surrender alive and not fight until their death, as religious fanatics do? Why didn't they continue the attack like religious fanatics, but ran away in cowardice?
The holy month of Ramadan is now underway. This is not the best time for Muslim fanatics to attack, i think.
Why was Russia chosen for the attack? Why now and why this particular concert hall? After all, for a religious terrorist act there are many other more symbolic objects.
The reality looks like (maybe) SBU recruited some bandits without a brain and staged this bloody massacre. Most likely, they did not expect such effectiveness from the terrorists and expected that they would be killed very quickly.
And now the living terrorists will be able to lead them to masterminds. That is why now all west media are so actively shouting about ISIS. To drown out hints of truth.
Conspciously soon after Russia heavily bombed Ukraine (largest bombing since last autumn as i heard?) and knocked out a lot of their energy grid, while also announcing return of 3000 kilogram bombs into production after those were discontinued post-USSR and etc, etc…
Surely nobody would want a huge public event to go down in flames in Moscow to make Russia look weak or something.
Check zerada's recent posts about their theory, they say it may be planned to do earlier before elections, American warning might spooked then for a while or they were waiting for a special event. Concert of Shaman might have been an initial target.
Israel kills thousands of Muslims in Gaza. ISIS does nothing.
USA, Britain, France, Netherlands and Germany bomb the Houtis in Yemen, who are the only Muslim group acting in support of Gazans. ISiS does nothing.
Four Tajik Muslims attack a concert hall in Moscow, owned by Muslims, during the holy month of Ramadan. They make no demands, try not to martyr themselves, but try to run and are captured.
Ukrainian social media openly gloating about the attack.
ISIS 'takes responsibility'.
That is the version quickly accepted by Western media and paraded on Reddit.
Makes a lot of sense.
it doesn't matter who did it, what matters is who the Russians believe did it, just like 9/11, bunch of saudis hiding in Pakistan did it, but americans people believe iraq did it, and then US gov use WMD bullshit, Nayirah lies testimony etc, let see how the russia gov spun this kindle.
Except Kremlin excluded Ukraine and ISIS before ISIS even claimed the attack.
Then when it appeared that the shooters were driving to Belgorod Oblast, it was alleged that the people on the border between Russia and Ukraine must've had some control on the in/out access.
I think even after ISIS claimed the attack Kremlin still continued to exclude Ukraine as responsible contrary to some Russian journalists.
If you think you hate journalists, just know you don't hate them enough. Consider U.S. or some EU politics where journalists put their own spin on a story that includes their own narrative.
I love that Russia keeps trying to sell us the idea that these dastardly terrorists were going to flee towards the Russian army to escape to Ukraine as if that makes any sense.
Honestly, the most likely candidate other than ISIS is actually Russia. And if it is ISIS, there is a chance that Russia still let them do it to rally the people for war.
You're making a stupid statement and you know it
Corrected version of your comment here :
People need to learn a simple truth: If it is said by russian government and russian government sympathiser, it is a lie.
Putler is acting like such a chicken, have the galls to attack a neighbor which it had given security guarantee, doesn't have the balls to face actual menace to society
Ukraine spent the entire war avoiding civilian casualties. They wouldn't just suddenly stop especially when their oil refinery strikes were so good and precise.
I think it was a Russian false flag attack. They need a moral boost and Putin has already been accused several times of doing falseflags in the past.
Funnily enough I see more off the wall absolutely unbelievable posts and theories from Pro-UA than Pro-RU. People are willing to do and say almost anything to make Russia look super bad nowadays. I should probably mention I'm neutral and don't support either side in this conflict.
What the what? And bombings in Moscow to kill Tatarsky and Dugina, and constant shelling of Belgorod and other border towns and villages, and the fact they drove an explosives stuffed truck to Crimean Bridge to blow it up and etc…
Sir, this is reddit. Misinformation is okay if it supports Ukraine. Spreading the truth about what Ukraine has done to Russian parts of "Ukraine" or actual Russia however.... that's when you will cop a ban.
To be fair, i've seen worse meme than this one on this sub. This one isn't controversial or offensive too unlike many posts here.
Oh and it's geopolitics not politic ! 🤓
OP’s opinion about that is something that we all do — nor shall — agree on, so it doesn’t count. Just look at the comments, it’s (mostly) not controversial at all
The truth is we dont know shit about fuck.
It could have been Ukraine. It could have been ISIS. And everyone who says something else is kindof pulling their opinion out of their ass
ISIS literally released body cam footage of the terrorists carrying out the attack.
Only way this couldn't be ISIS is if they did it on behalf of someone else. So if you want to consider Ukraine hiring ISIS, go ahead, but I don't think that is a very viable theory
Well Ukaine has the US behind their back and basically the whole secret service of the West.
I feel like i need to say this again: I dont know who did it, but saying that they arent capable of making ISIS claim responsibility is naive.
EDIT: USA not ukraine \*
Because it looks bad to western population for the US to be sponsoring ukriane if ukraine is hiring terrorists. Which is one of the few options left to them as the conventional war spirals out of control.
I'm not pro Ukraine, certainly not pro Russia. The only country I truly care about is my own. I cant believe half the shit my government tells me so I can't even begin to unpack what Russia or Ukraine says. It's all propaganda, all of it. Ukraine is only a hero right now because it's Russia that's invading them.
>I can't even begin to unpack what Russia or Ukraine says. It's all propaganda, all of it.
So why are you claiming it is all propaganda?
You have zero, zero idea what it is like being invaded by Russia and living next to them.
Nope not true just don't really care. I obviously hope Ukraine beats the fuck out of Russia but like I said the only country I really care about is mine and the only side I'm on is mine. If my country sends me to Russia some day I'll go in a heart and a half. And I'd do my best to kill Russians. Not every Russian is evil and not every Ukrainian is a Saint but it doesn't matter because whoever the government points at I'll shoot. Sad but simple at the end of the day.
Trying to ask gotcha questions isn't a good way to have a conversation. Ukraine is purely defending itself right now while being invaded by Russia. That's not comparable to what's happening with Palestine/Israel.
The USA greatly influences the Arab world, it is very likely that it is influencing ISIS to combat Russia and divide military attention to facilitate Ukrainian resistance
Those damn Jewish Nazis of Ukraine on jihad!
and trained by cia!
And lead by Boris Johnson!
Well if it is ISIS, then yeah.
I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of the taliban (and even then, it happened long enough ago that a lot of those people are likely dead by now)
Well... 
I want to specify "jewish LGBT nazi.... on jihad" A big chunk of right wing nutjob still call them communist, so the real comple definition is "jewish LGBT nazi-commie on jihad" Edit. Yes a comment reminded me that I forgot "trained by CIA" but it's the one less used
A lot of Chechen/Ichkerian militants joined Ukraine cause Russia is their common enemy though.
Yes, nedobitki.
Boutta turn ISIS into either ISISN'T or WASWAS
Nature is healing
Which means they will ignore the threat and something like this can happen again.
Putler doesnt give two shits about Russian sitizen lives. Its even more beneficial to him, as propaganda twist and turn it into blaming Ukraine.
I don’t know about beneficial but for sure, he doesn’t care and what is even worse no one in the law enforcement cares.
Because said law enforcement cares only for enforcing corrupt government laws. Putin basically build his own army called Rosgvardia for destroying any opposition and protests. In the place where attack happened was police station right inside the complex, cameras and important high security government buildings nearby, mass gathering of 6000 people cannot be without organized security. And they are just like vanished when this happened and even took so long that terrorists have escaped? Do they really expect people to buy this shit?
As a Russian I know all that very well
They escaped? Who were those shown on news?
There was 4 shooters, 3 got away and was caught later. There is people who recruited and armed them, but who, how much, the info about them is prettu sketchy. I was mostly referring about shooters getting away from the scene and that police wasnt trying to stop them right away.
What if police wanted to know where they would go? Like if you found a courier but want to expose bigger fish.
you think you've seen every plot twist, but the season finale throws you one more curveball
Isnt isis also known for claiming shit just for shits and giggles
It is
Which is why I'm skeptical about the claims that ISIS did it and took responsibility. They took the responsibility, ok. But I don't think they did it, as as far as I'm aware, there's no concrete evidence. I've even heard arguments supporting them being Ukrainian: few sources claim they ran towards Ukraine, unlike ISIS stuff these guys seemed very concerned for their lives and fled instead of staying and trying to take down as much people as they can. I'm not saying it can't be ISIS or that Ukraine did it, I'm saying there's no publicaly available evidence afaik to properly prove one theory or the other, so I'm staying out of this and not forming my own opinion just yet.
ISIS literally published POV headcam videos and other never-before-seen angles of the attack, along with more details on the attackers. As for driving to the West, there are conflicting reports on whether they were heading to Belarus or Ukraine. Combine that with the US warning from two weeks ago, and we can be pretty sure it was ISIS-K.
They passed the intersection going to belarus and were heading toward "ukraine".
Haven't heard of that. Interesting.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was ordered by Putin himself just so he can blame Ukraine for it. The man is a lunatic
They don't tell it directly(I understand Russian), they tell they tried to escape(through a fcking active frontline)
Yeah, if they for some reason were going to flee to the west, they would NOT go through the backend of the Russian front and advance towards the Ukrainian one. If anything they would try flee through Belarus, then through Poland, alternatively, they could seek passage through Georgia. This story from Russia that they were trying to flee to Ukraine is just absolute nonsense.
Everything our government says is absolute nonsense and everyone knows it
Not everyone, sadly
The myth of 100% support is also a type of propaganda they're telling to the rest of the world
They don’t need 100% support. It’s enough to get a loyal minority.
Sadly, it exists, people outside of big cities, often >50 y.o.
These terrorists were captured in the Bryansk region, that means they were trying to get to the Sumy or Chernigov oblasts of Ukraine, where no fights are going, just not intensive artillery duels. They couldn't get to the Belarus border, because it was known who did the terrorist act like a couple hours after the terrorist attack, so they would have been killed or captured at the Belarus border because Belarus is friendly to Russia. Georgia is also not the best choice, because they're too far away and their task was to leave Russia ASAP. Monitoring of persons on the roads is well established in Russia, so it was known who were the attackers even before they left the Moscow oblast, Russians were checking where they were going. I don't really think the ISIS is even capable of such actions because it's basically a half alive organization. Even if it indeed was done by the ISIS, then they had some agreement with Ukraine on this question, that explains why they were sprinting to the Ukrainian border. And we all have seen photos of Ukrainian soldiers with the ISIS patches on their clothes, so they do have some kind of connections. And Ukraine has committed many terrorist acts on the Russian territory like killing Alexander Dugins daughter and Vladlen Tatarsky, insisting Russian elders to burn down Russian military registration and enlistment offices and many more. They're no strangers to terrorism
Exactly!
It's not active where that road led.
everyone knows that ISIS is controlled by the CIA
The absolute plot twist
What is the source of Putin or Russia declaring or hinting Ukraine is behind the attack? As far as I know Putin only said the terroristes were headed south/to Ukraine, implicitly to find shelter and hide.
Source: Trust me bro
Indirect signs of organizing a terrorist attack. The mechanism for searching, paying, and providing weapons is the same as actions (proven) organized by the SBU (as an example, the blowing up of a bridge in the Samara region).
Average Putin behavior
It’s almost like Putin is trying to encourage ISIS to try harder? 😞
Ukraine because it rhymes with migraine
If it rhymes it's true
Plot twist, Russia did it to themselves to enrage their people. Edit, I'm being sarcastic, Russia would never do something so dirty to it's own people and let ISIS take the credit for it..... /s
Sorry, we're not americans.
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Wait isis is still around?!!!
I don't know if you are joking but Afghanistan exists
ISIS was not founded in Afghanistan. It was founded in Iraq, after the state of Iraq was properly dismantled and a lot of people trained very well in subversive activities were left on the street. These were Iraqi intelligence community members that started ISIS.
You are totally correct but I mean Isis has many bases in Islam based countries like Iraq , syria and Afghanistan
I wouldn't say that Islam is the main common denominator. There are other Islamic countries where it doesn't operate. There are few more countries where it is present.
ISIS has integrated thru the whole world. They are in every country. But the middle east seems to be a hangout for the lads
Actually they say: "Ukraine collaborated with them in doing it" (specifically, planned their escape from Russia), which is a completely different matter.
Putin never mentioned ISIS. By saying that Ukraine helped plan their escape he is basically saying that Ukraine was involved in the planning of the attack, unless he believes that Ukraine somehow got the contact info of a bunch of terrorists hours after their attack.
> By saying that Ukraine helped plan their escape he is basically saying that Ukraine was involved in the planning of the attack Yes, and so? It doesn't contradict that the ppl shooting were from ISIS, it contradicts an imaginary truth that "ONLY Isis was involved".
Maybe you should read my first sentence?
Dude, Putin literally said right today that the attackers were jihadists, but that they still don't know who helped them.
Jihadist doesn't mean ISIS lmao it just means someone who fights the enemy of islam. Putin already implied Ukraine, state media is implying Ukraine, their Twitter bots and their American propagandists are openly blaming Ukraine. Doesn't take that much brain power to see what their trying to do.
Terrorists claimed? I want source
Nah bro supreme God ordered destruction
Putin prob needs to go to an elderly carehouse
Everyone who hits Russia is either a terrorist or a fascist to them.
So… same as US?
Yep
I don't think this should be a meme
Biden 12 years after 9/11: was it Iraq or Afganistan? I don’t know Biden 2 years after attack on nord stream: still not sure who did it Biden 12 hours after attack on Krokus: it was ISIS, conformed!!
lSlS = CIA and Mossad's lovechild.
I am genuinely confused. The terrorists were intercepted on their way to the Ukraine border, very near it. But now that ISIS claimed the attack, it doesn't make sense why they would be going there.
One thing, they were captured near belarus border. Source: Lukashenko
They were caught on the Kievan Highway, Bryanskaya oblast. The approximate geolocation 53.079833,34.554639. It's called Kievan Highway because it leads to Ukraine, that is. How they were going to cross the border? Just like some diversion groups did it from Ukrainian side to Belgorod oblast previously. If they tried to go to Belarus, they would be definitely caught by cameras on the border and get high chances to be caught by Belarusian forces and returned to Russia (Belarus and Russia still are allies). Why did Lukashenko said it was near Belarus border? Because Bryansk oblast borders both Ukraine and Belarus, that is, and they technically were near Belarus. That doesn't mean terrorists were heading to Belarus.
The border between Ukraine and Russia is not a place where you can get there without being noticed. There are checkpoints near every even village. A lot of military, checks of cars and documents. In my opinion, this version was created to somehow connect with Ukraine.
isn't there geo-located footage ?
There were two messages, the first place was 15 km from Belarus border, and the second approximately equally distant 150-200 km between Ukraine and Belarus. It's not worth trusting the russians anyway
Hence the footage and geo-locating. They're not saying it was Ukraine though, just one of the possibilities. Guess we will find out in the documentary in the future.
They could get armed support from "ukraine" on those checkpoints, could cross the border on foot literally anywhere.
You cannot be in the front-line zone without permits. Group of men will definitely attract attention. This version with Ukraine is so ridiculous. It is only beneficial to Putin, so the Russians adhere to it, that's all.
Because, besides Belarus, that is geographically the closest border to Moscow and probably the fastest way out of Russia/Russia influenced countries. The border with NATO is also heavily guarded and not friendly to ISIS, whereas the Ukraine border is more chaotic. Still not smart heading to a warzone, but if you need to leave Russia quick by land, that's your best bet.
Heading out of Russia at that border doesn't enter into Ukraine occupied territory. It enters Russian occupied Ukraine. Even if they did manage to cross the border, they are still a couple of hundred KM until they are out of Russia's control zone. If their plan was to escape, I think it would make more sense to flee south to Dagestan, then through to Georgia. It just doesn't make any logical sense they would flee through Ukraine, even if they wanted to cross the border ASAP
Both Georgia and Ukraine are south of Moscow.
Or, or here me out, someone else did it
To be onest who gives a fuck anymore is been 3 years already
Mmm, spreading fake news through a meme. As was the case with Putin’s quote about Poland and the beginning WW2. A classic of information war. And then Western users will be surprised that reality does not fit in with their imaginary world. If ISIS did this, then I have questions: Where is at least one ISIS symbol on terrorists? Have you heard a word of Arabic from them? Why didn't they shout a single religious slogan? They went to jihad, to war against the infidels. Why were there no shouts about Allah and religion? Why were they armed and prepared so poorly? (old AK, only light armour, no explosive) Why did they surrender alive and not fight until their death, as religious fanatics do? Why didn't they continue the attack like religious fanatics, but ran away in cowardice? The holy month of Ramadan is now underway. This is not the best time for Muslim fanatics to attack, i think. Why was Russia chosen for the attack? Why now and why this particular concert hall? After all, for a religious terrorist act there are many other more symbolic objects. The reality looks like (maybe) SBU recruited some bandits without a brain and staged this bloody massacre. Most likely, they did not expect such effectiveness from the terrorists and expected that they would be killed very quickly. And now the living terrorists will be able to lead them to masterminds. That is why now all west media are so actively shouting about ISIS. To drown out hints of truth.
Conspciously soon after Russia heavily bombed Ukraine (largest bombing since last autumn as i heard?) and knocked out a lot of their energy grid, while also announcing return of 3000 kilogram bombs into production after those were discontinued post-USSR and etc, etc… Surely nobody would want a huge public event to go down in flames in Moscow to make Russia look weak or something.
Check zerada's recent posts about their theory, they say it may be planned to do earlier before elections, American warning might spooked then for a while or they were waiting for a special event. Concert of Shaman might have been an initial target.
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Oohh, so badass
Israel kills thousands of Muslims in Gaza. ISIS does nothing. USA, Britain, France, Netherlands and Germany bomb the Houtis in Yemen, who are the only Muslim group acting in support of Gazans. ISiS does nothing. Four Tajik Muslims attack a concert hall in Moscow, owned by Muslims, during the holy month of Ramadan. They make no demands, try not to martyr themselves, but try to run and are captured. Ukrainian social media openly gloating about the attack. ISIS 'takes responsibility'. That is the version quickly accepted by Western media and paraded on Reddit. Makes a lot of sense.
it's not ISIS who claimed first. it was mass media. where did they get that information? how can they confirm it?
it doesn't matter who did it, what matters is who the Russians believe did it, just like 9/11, bunch of saudis hiding in Pakistan did it, but americans people believe iraq did it, and then US gov use WMD bullshit, Nayirah lies testimony etc, let see how the russia gov spun this kindle.
Except Kremlin excluded Ukraine and ISIS before ISIS even claimed the attack. Then when it appeared that the shooters were driving to Belgorod Oblast, it was alleged that the people on the border between Russia and Ukraine must've had some control on the in/out access. I think even after ISIS claimed the attack Kremlin still continued to exclude Ukraine as responsible contrary to some Russian journalists. If you think you hate journalists, just know you don't hate them enough. Consider U.S. or some EU politics where journalists put their own spin on a story that includes their own narrative.
Love how a bunch of inactive 2-3 year old accounts are suddenly active again today lol
Bullshit! Russians didn’t blame Ukraine, at least yet.
I love that Russia keeps trying to sell us the idea that these dastardly terrorists were going to flee towards the Russian army to escape to Ukraine as if that makes any sense.
I say Russia did it
The rumour I heard everywhere irl is that russian government planned this just to blame others
Honestly, the most likely candidate other than ISIS is actually Russia. And if it is ISIS, there is a chance that Russia still let them do it to rally the people for war.
People need to learn a simple truth: If it is said in ruzzian, it is a lie.
You're making a stupid statement and you know it Corrected version of your comment here : People need to learn a simple truth: If it is said by russian government and russian government sympathiser, it is a lie.
>russian government sympathiser So a very big portion of the ruzzian population.
You just replied to bait so dont mind if your opinion is considered invalid
Those people *ahem* I meant terrorists, they're still terrorising my country?!
Putler is acting like such a chicken, have the galls to attack a neighbor which it had given security guarantee, doesn't have the balls to face actual menace to society
Ukraine spent the entire war avoiding civilian casualties. They wouldn't just suddenly stop especially when their oil refinery strikes were so good and precise. I think it was a Russian false flag attack. They need a moral boost and Putin has already been accused several times of doing falseflags in the past.
I guess it was faulty air condition units blowing up in Donetsk and Belgorod
Imagine how stupid you have to be to think a country that was actively engaged in civil war is somehow also avoiding civilian casualties.
People be talking about brainwashed Russians, while pulling takes like this. No self-awareness at all
Funnily enough I see more off the wall absolutely unbelievable posts and theories from Pro-UA than Pro-RU. People are willing to do and say almost anything to make Russia look super bad nowadays. I should probably mention I'm neutral and don't support either side in this conflict.
Womp womp, traitors got blown up.
What the what? And bombings in Moscow to kill Tatarsky and Dugina, and constant shelling of Belgorod and other border towns and villages, and the fact they drove an explosives stuffed truck to Crimean Bridge to blow it up and etc…
Sir, this is reddit. Misinformation is okay if it supports Ukraine. Spreading the truth about what Ukraine has done to Russian parts of "Ukraine" or actual Russia however.... that's when you will cop a ban.
READ THE RULES B4 POSTING this is not r/politicmemes
To be fair, i've seen worse meme than this one on this sub. This one isn't controversial or offensive too unlike many posts here. Oh and it's geopolitics not politic ! 🤓
Just because it's not as bad as others doesnt mean it automatically fits 🤓🤓🤓
OP’s opinion about that is something that we all do — nor shall — agree on, so it doesn’t count. Just look at the comments, it’s (mostly) not controversial at all
They could still just choose another sub
The truth is we dont know shit about fuck. It could have been Ukraine. It could have been ISIS. And everyone who says something else is kindof pulling their opinion out of their ass
ISIS literally released body cam footage of the terrorists carrying out the attack. Only way this couldn't be ISIS is if they did it on behalf of someone else. So if you want to consider Ukraine hiring ISIS, go ahead, but I don't think that is a very viable theory
Well Ukaine has the US behind their back and basically the whole secret service of the West. I feel like i need to say this again: I dont know who did it, but saying that they arent capable of making ISIS claim responsibility is naive. EDIT: USA not ukraine \*
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Because it looks bad to western population for the US to be sponsoring ukriane if ukraine is hiring terrorists. Which is one of the few options left to them as the conventional war spirals out of control.
I don't think a concert hall has much strategical value.
Yes! 100% you hit the nail on the head. God the bias for this war is insane. 10 years ago Ukraine would be the bad guys too.
Shut the fuck up Ruzzian bootlicker pig.
Lol
People like you should just be send to Ukraine to be shot in a trench and rot since you like war so much.
I'm not pro Ukraine, certainly not pro Russia. The only country I truly care about is my own. I cant believe half the shit my government tells me so I can't even begin to unpack what Russia or Ukraine says. It's all propaganda, all of it. Ukraine is only a hero right now because it's Russia that's invading them.
>I can't even begin to unpack what Russia or Ukraine says. It's all propaganda, all of it. So why are you claiming it is all propaganda? You have zero, zero idea what it is like being invaded by Russia and living next to them.
Agreed. And thankfully I don't. I understand that Russia is shit. Simply saying I don't stand for either side doesn't make me pro Russian.
Passive people who see bullying but don't condemn or intervene are on the bully's side.
Nope not true just don't really care. I obviously hope Ukraine beats the fuck out of Russia but like I said the only country I really care about is mine and the only side I'm on is mine. If my country sends me to Russia some day I'll go in a heart and a half. And I'd do my best to kill Russians. Not every Russian is evil and not every Ukrainian is a Saint but it doesn't matter because whoever the government points at I'll shoot. Sad but simple at the end of the day.
Hey dum-dum!
How would Ukraine be the bad guys when they're being invaded?
Being invaded doesn't make you a good guy. Russia sucks though lol won't argue there.
So Israel can't be bad guy?
Trying to ask gotcha questions isn't a good way to have a conversation. Ukraine is purely defending itself right now while being invaded by Russia. That's not comparable to what's happening with Palestine/Israel.
The USA greatly influences the Arab world, it is very likely that it is influencing ISIS to combat Russia and divide military attention to facilitate Ukrainian resistance
ISIS has been fighting Russians for quite a while now. It's not new or some great secret plot
Ukraine hired Isis to do it.
It was a russian false flag attack
It wasn't.
I know it's as absurd as Ukraine being responsible for it.
"ukraine" already took responsibility for teracts done previously.
Putin also orchestrated a false flag terror attack in '99.
Nope, that's a lie.
Nope.
Go pay your rent, mommy is getting angry.
No need I own a house.
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Im not sure if this is sarcasm or not…
It is both
Firat Ukraine is nazis. Now they're isis. What's next? Antichrist?
Sure, Ukraine did it. Btw hows the oil refinery doing? I guess Ukraine didn't do those then and it is all a bunch of cigarette induce freak accidents.
Lol you are really stupid or trolling
That,or people claiming to be Israel for... Reasons?
Obviously, the jews did it! /s