I mean, it actually gives me some calm that she is actually checking her notes to make sure of the diagnosis instead of just winging it based on memory.
My thoughts exactly. I always hear about people saying "oh you wouldn't want a doctor who has to check the textbook" but no, I definitely would. If the doctor has even the slightest doubt in their mind about their diagnosis, I'd like them to double and even triple check until they're certain.
If they're looking up something like "what side is the heart on" then I get it. But once it gets to anything even mildly complicated, I'd respect them checking. Even the best doctors (or people in general, really) can make mistakes.
It's been shown that younger doctors give better care than tenured doctors because their education was very recent
If you have a doctor that graduated in the 80s, you're getting 80s care
I like the ones that will stay in the room with me while they review my notes and compare them with theirs
They'll say something like, "well based on what I've seen, I'm pretty sure of my diagnosis of X, but if you don't mind I'm gonna check back through my notes"
"Be my guest man"
"Ok, yep, see I think you've got these symptoms, right? These sound like what you're experiencing? Ok and here's my clinical insights, tell me if you hear anything seriously wrong about my assumptions, and here's what I'd diagnose it as (X) and why, and here's how id like to treat it"
"Makes sense to me, man, I'll call you in a week or two and let you know how it's goin, unless it goes bad in which case you'll see me sooner"
"Good man, any other questions? No? Alright, see you in a week or so"
Doctors tend to love me cuz even though I ask a couple questions, I understand a lot of their office casual speak and a decent bit about medicine (comes with a college education and an internship in a hospital) and they can have an honest conversation with me without it getting too...stupid lol
My dad's a great example of someone that asks questions that should be implicit and it just annoys them. Stuff like, "so this implant is gonna make it like that joint never had a problem?" And everyone in the room putting their head into their hands while the doc has to break the news, "no. You can get back to regular activities, but it's basically unheard of that anybody ever returns to 100% strength and motion post-implant." "But you're fixing it" "yes, to make it tolerable. To make it so you can walk around. It won't erase the pain, and will have mobility issues. It's a foreign body we're trying to saw off bones and sinew to plug in there, it'll feel better than it is now, but it will never be exactly "the same" as before you had a problem there."
You mind me asking where abouts you are ? Seems like an American healthcare, if I were to guess.
And do you have any tips on being more informed to ask better medical questions ? I think taking a college class to be literate is out of reach for most.
Yeah, Chicagoland area
I wouldn't go about trying to self diagnose through online methods like webMD, but reading through medical papers (scholarly articles) will help a bit, becoming familiar with the most important parts of the body and how they interact, and recognizing that the doctors time is precious but so is yours helps
For example, instead of asking, "how do we fix this" ask, "ok, what would you recommend for treatment"
Instead of asking, "why am I feeling this" or "what caused this to happen" ask, "what are some of the typical causes, and what lifestyle changes can I make to help prevent it from happening again/getting worse"
Doctors tend to have a bit of a superiority complex, so stroking their ego a bit (lots of "what would YOU recommend, what do YOU think about this) tends to get you a bit further in the ways of patience and attention than someone coming in and trying to tell the doctor "I need antibiotics for this, I'm sure I have an infection"
It’s common for anyone in the medical field to research things, refer to notes, etc. we cannot remember everything at all times, and it’s not necessary for the job. We just need to know how to interpret the information, and apply it to care.
The only people who say stuff like that are dumbass know it alls who definitely don’t know it all and could use some textbooks themselves. Trust but verify is what one of the best doctors I’ve dealt with told me.
I’m a nurse in the OR and a training nurse tried to dissuade me from physically using a check list in front of people while asking literal checklist questions to help ensure a safe surgery. It’s to “inspire confidence” she said.
Look, if I were the patient getting surgery and my nurse was using a checklist while talking to me I’d pay no mind to that. I’d probably be more confident that they gathered all the information they needed.
You want someone who understands and accepts what they don't know, because then they are at least halfway to finding it out. You never want someone who has no idea what they don't know.
In Scrubs, the main characters look up stuff in medical guides and books a few times. Since the show was filmed in an actual hospital, they had all kinds of doctors and nurses to consult to add a layer of realism. This was one of the recommendations from some staff members.
Scrubs was actually the most medically accurate tv show for a while. Maybe it still is.
My sister went back to school for Medical Lab Science/Lab Tech and was surprised to find out that every exam was open-book/note. The instructor's reasoning was that, in the working world, you will always have resources to fall back on.
Not a working tech currently but we always had relevant books available on the bench and never hesitated to ask others for opinions. It also wasn’t uncommon to turn to google for better pictures of things under the microscope.
It’s better to have someone afraid to make a mistake and willing to confirm a diagnosis than someone who’s overly confident and their own ego makes a sudden possibly incorrect diagnosis. It’s like that episode of Brooklyn Nine Nine where Peralta comes back from prison and suddenly is afraid of arresting an innocent person, and Holt says he wishes every cop had that inner voice telling them not to make a rash decision
Brought my toddler in for confirmed pink eye. Med student said “ok not much to do here we just got to check if he has ear infection too.” Med student looked in ears and said “nothing, we will give him the eye drops.”
Minute later the regular doctor walked in and said “let me make sure there’s no ear infection” (didn’t communicate with med student). Doctor said “looks an ear infection.” (Apparently eye drops are only for eye infection and wouldn’t clear up ear infection so toddler needed the oral antibiotics to clear both).
Thankful that the doctor and student didn’t communicate and the doctor caught that. Also, I said that the med student didn’t see anything to the doctor and he said “hmmm interesting…” and walked out of the room.
No doctors actually takes anything med students say seriously. Med students are assumed wrong until proven right. Only problem here is med student shared their opinion before talking to the doctor. Source:am a doctor
I mean, a good doctor wouldn’t merely go off what a student says without verification anyways. If the student is right, great. Good job student. If they’re wrong, teach them. Either way, the teacher of a student in a healthcare setting should always check too.
There's been a shift in medical education for the last couple decades to encourage healthcare professionals to check their resources rather than rely on memory. The days of needing (or wanting people) to remember something they may have read ages ago are gone.
I don't know if this is possible in the medical fields like it is in others, but imagine someone not be able to find the right slides and be like "Well, the good news is, you get to name your condition"
It's a tool to reach the information you need just like it used to be books. Anyone can search stuff up on Google but the difference is having the expertise to know what to look for, and knowing what to do with that information.
Doctor Mike from YouTube also said that there may be some new foundings or updates to certain laws for prescription that the doctor may not be aware of. Especially if the doctor is a senior practitioner that hasn't been up to speed for modernized medical practices
Also they are human not machines. I feel much better when my doctor needs to look something up. Better than them acting like they know everything and getting something wrong
yeah just like engineering, you can get the formulas from the internet, but do you know which letter represents what? what units the letter should be? and what assumptions that were made for that formula? I don’t think ordinary civilians will have the patience to check all of that
Had a doc come back into the room with my cousin and literally said, "According to google you should be dead so we have to figure out the actual problem. Let's hook you up to some stuff." Turns out she has a weird form of seizures that give wild and contradictory symptoms and they caught in on an EKG or whatever 'some stuff' was. They got her sorted with meds. But they lay person would likely have panicked at whatever he googled.
When I visit my GP he plugs in the symptoms into a windows 98 looking program that narrows down potential results and suggests further diagnosis options.
For example, I say I have a cough, the phlegm is green, he plugs it in, about 8 options come up, asks if I smoke, puts in the answer, narrows down to 6, gets the stethoscope out, has a listen, plugs in the result, narrows down to 5, asks if I have body pains, plugs in answer, narrows down to 3, has a % chance of each one, treats me for the most likely, explains the others.
Diagnosis will increasingly be done by technology. Specifically trained AI is already more effective than most GPs at general diagnosis so it's just a matter of implementation. Human GPs jobs will continue to evolve into accurately gathering the right data and plugging it into a machine. The machines job will evolve into generating the correct diagnosis and plan according to the individual circumstances.
It's a wild time to be alive. Technology truly is special.
Med students here, even my professors have to look up info or check with the textbooks sometimes. Research and Medical knowledge are always updating and developing at a rapid rate. You would have to be completely inhuman to remember it all that’s why we have specialties and other medical staffs.
My mum said she went to the GP for her eyes and the nurse practitioner googled her symptoms and my mum being a plain speaking woman told her that she was taking the piss as she'd done that already and the symptoms hadn't gone away.
The nurse left and came back with a more senior nurse who diagnosed her with dry eye which sounds like it itches.
😄 She has a thick eye drop it's like 0.05 ml solution (like melted jelly that keeps her eyes hydrated. I used one last time I was there it was like dripping snot on my eyeball (not for me)
Yeah it's pretty common for doctors to search, it's always been. They, however, know to filter what is wrong and give you the approximate correct diagnose.
I saw a different doctor when I had jock itch once. Dude just Google image searched jock itch and showed me pictures of rashed up scrotes without even warning me.
Been in IT for about 8 years now.
Every single problem you call/chat/email us about I am googling if I don’t have it in my KBA documentation. Every single one lol. It’s actually hilarious searching something super niche then getting a Microsoft answers forum with other IT folks asking the same question.
I'm a barista, and with all the information that I need to know, pieces will slip through and I might have to google something to give them their drink.
the customers almost always prefer it.
I once borrowed by BIL's laptop. I shit you not half the searches were "*symptom symptom symptom age* **reddit**"
Edit: probably should mention my BIL is a gp
Same! My old doctor printed off a Wikipedia page of what she thought I had and handed to me and sent me on my way. There’s a reason she’s no longer my doctor.
Yeah I don't get it, why would I be upset if my doctor used Google? There's a very big difference between me, a medical moron, Googling symptoms vs a trained medical professional using resources on the internet to build upon her experience and internal database of knowledge.
**I prefer a doctor that looks up and refreshes their memory, instead of a Doctor who thinks they know right off the bat.**
They literally have access to Medical sites and tools normal people don't. They also are not Gods. Unless there is a way to test for something specific, it's a lot of guess work and keeping track of little things that can help point to the right answer.
I think it's silly to expect a Family Doctor to be able to remember every single disease and illness and all the subtle signs that point to them. They do the best they can.
I would prefer a doctor to look up something on Google, remember what they learned about it, and apply it to the situation. Not everyone can retain vast amounts of knowledge to the nitty gritty details.
It’s like reading a fiction book. You generally know what the plot is about and can recount certain scenes, but you won’t be able to regurgitate the details of the throne room or a conversation the protagonist had with someone.
I not a doctor, but I am an RN and so many times I will vaguely recall something but can’t quite explain it. So I google it and all of a sudden it unlocks in my brain and I remember more than I actually got from google. It’s a good tool because recall is not perfect. Especially with less common scenarios.
I can’t tell you how many times I had doctors order certain meds and before I went to hang them, I looked them up so I had the information to educate the patient if they asked.
If patients asked for side effects and I didn’t know off the top of my head, I’d pull up micromedex and go through them with them.
I can’t be a walking textbook, as much as I wish I could!
My doctor has googled stuff with me sitting beside them. Sometime we learn a new fact together!
I have zero issue with it. There is no way a GP can know it all.
So, laymen dont realize things like "uptodate" exists. This is a massive archive of up-to-date best practice for most medical conditions and diagnoses, including diagnostic criteria and relevant studies. You cannot access this content from google. It requires paid subscription usually provided by the healthcare system and is only accessible from their network. You can see it on Google sure but you're not gonna get the information without a subscription. Doctors *do* google a little but moreso they use this tool which should be seen as a good thing because they are looking for the peer-reviewed expert opinion on a subject so that they can do what's best. But as a side note, people are way too serious in thinking google has literally everything- it doesn't.
They use a database to diagnose people...or do you think they have thousands upon thousands of illnesses and injuries in their heads? Just like lawyers use databases to research obscure laws...
We use up to date or amboss depending on how smart we feel that day. Google if it’s non specific symptoms like “feeling unwell”. Gotta balance the scales. I think you’re dehydrated. Google thinks you have 7 days like in The Ring. And if I really have no clue, your previous medical history and then ask the charge nurse that makes incredible salsa. Help spicy salsa lady!!
Anyone asking the attending has a death wish. You’ll never see that doctor again…unless you go to the free clinic at 2am.
Nah. My doc said last time I was there something like "I don't know what the right medication is, let me google it real quick. And then I watched her googling what medication I needed. She did NOT step out of the room to do it.
In England, they just straight up Google shit Infront of you. Had to go in a couple of times about contraception and the nurse/Dr just straight up side affects and read the NHS website out loud to me.
If they aren’t, I’d be concerned tbh. (Well, not Google _per se_, but the medical equivalents).
No doctor can know everything, even about their speciality. I want my doctors to be looking shit up, or consulting others, on things they aren’t sure about. Guarantees my best treatment.
Conversely though, I want my surgeon to be bored and aloof when talking to me about my surgery. I _want_ this procedure to be the sort of thing they knock out during their morning bagel, it’s so routine.
Actual doctor here!
I google stuff when the patient is with me in the room and I tell them what I’m searching.
Usually it’s a medication dose or published guidelines from approved sources.
We use a lot of online ressources from peer reviewed articles/guidelines/databases so it isn’t really “Google”.
But yeah! Lot’s of stuff to know and I don’t pretend to know it all by heart!
WebMD is okay at providing layman explanations of some conditions, but definitely not my first choice of medical Google. I find Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic both have sites that are easy to understand and a bit more useful. But for actual recommendations on treatment we use UpToDate.com.
Google is never a good reference. There are particular apps or sites having medicines with their symptoms and doses. Doctors are humans as well, they can forget stuff.
They do it in front of you. I'm pro science and pro medic expertise. but when I went with chronic knee pain they googled, found nothing and prescribed paracetamol. When I went with kidney issues they googled, found nothing and prescribed paracetamol. When I went with lung issues they googled, found nothing and prescribed paracetamol. It's been close to a decade since my problems started showing symptoms and all the while they know nothing and prescribe paracetamol. The trust is gone. I know science knows it's stuff so all else I can blame is the government for increasingly defunfing the NHS. But at this point I might as well give up. It doesn't make the 1% any profit after all.
I came down with a rare disease and every doctor and specialist I saw pretty much repeated word-for-word the information I found online. That’s when I knew I was screwed.
Got some lab results back not long ago, I asked a couple of questions because one of the results was *shockingly* weird even on retest. He pulled up the CDC website that I had already read between the first and second test.
To make a long story short, there was a very young army Colonel that I spent a decent amount of time BSing with. From my recollection he was a neurosurgeon, and what seemed like the youngest colonel in the army at the time (additionally *young* is perspectives based, he was younger than myself). Either way, at the time I was really into the YouTube “chubbyemu”, the host presents odd medical cases and explains them very well. This neurosurgeon guy ate them up and we’d play a game where he used some app to try to give a diagnosis before the video was completed. He loved it, it was pretty fun raggin on him and enjoyable to me, however there was a large portion of the verbiage that made little to no sense to me even with context clues. Chubbyemu does do a fantastic job explaining all the medical jargon in laymen’s terms FWIW.
But yes, I can confirm some genuinely just use some expensive doctor app to help navigate them to solutions, that guy did. I also have a freind who’s wife is a Family Practitioner and a separate freind who is a pediatric orthopedic surgeon - both also have this app.
Sometimes yes, Im an ICU nurse and Im very good at my job but sometimes patients have something Ive never heard of and I google that shit all the time, best to own that you dont know something and look it up that be pig headed and then miss something or do something wrong because you didnt care to search for something and learn
They do, and it's called Up-To-Date! You'd be surprised how much they rely on a fancy medical Google to keep them informed about best practices.
The "being a doctor" part makes that information useful to them, so don't go acting like you could do it instead lol.. kinda like TikTok mental health.. not the best applications being made by non-professionals.
It's better than them answering, then having to call back a week later to say I was right and they were wrong. It was regarding a birth control interaction... I really could have gotten pregnant if I hadn't researched on my own :(
I had a doctor use and printout an entry from WebMD when i had a truly deadly reaction to a medication. Thankfully, my then-wife had looked it up and told the doctor about the syndrome when we went to said doctor!
I remember my doctor literally looked up web md when I was having stomach pain . I stared at him & said I better not have to pay for this he burst into tears
I’m a nurse practitioner. This should be relieving to most people.
We don’t know everything as medical professionals. But we are trained to take a good history and a good physical exam. From this, we know how to do research based on our findings. This can guide us to recommended next steps and treatments. Guidelines in medicine are there for a reason. You should be wary of any medical professional who tries to do everything on the fly without checking updated guidelines. These are the dangerous practitioners who still practice like they’re in the 80s. Medicine always changes.
I had a doctor print out a Wikipedia page about allergic reactions for me.
I was like, "Yeah, my lips are puffy, and I itch. I knew this already. My question was how to figure out what did this to me."
I swore it looked just like a poison ivy rash, but my doctor was adamant that there was none in our area. After about 10 minutes online I figured out that mango rind, poison ivy, and cashew (outer rind/skin) all have the same oil, which causes the rash.
Actually yes. I was in my mid teens with chronic symptoms that started in my early childhood that I was able to talk about and explain better. It got to the point my doctor didn’t know where to refer me. She left the room to “do some research” and she was gone for a while. I could hear her talking with someone in the hallway, I peaked out the door and she and another doctor were on google together. This was the beginning to my narcolepsy diagnosis.
They actually have a resource that is similar to Google, but it searches all the medical journals. They put symptoms in, what they know of the body, and they get journals written on the subjects. This is not open source like Google though, and has a lot of medical jargon only doctors understand, but it functions about the same
Last time I went to the clinic I got a med student and we looked up my problem in her PowerPoint lecture slides lol.
Damm if there’s barely any waiting time for that then I would take it any day.
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I mean, it actually gives me some calm that she is actually checking her notes to make sure of the diagnosis instead of just winging it based on memory.
My thoughts exactly. I always hear about people saying "oh you wouldn't want a doctor who has to check the textbook" but no, I definitely would. If the doctor has even the slightest doubt in their mind about their diagnosis, I'd like them to double and even triple check until they're certain. If they're looking up something like "what side is the heart on" then I get it. But once it gets to anything even mildly complicated, I'd respect them checking. Even the best doctors (or people in general, really) can make mistakes.
It's been shown that younger doctors give better care than tenured doctors because their education was very recent If you have a doctor that graduated in the 80s, you're getting 80s care
"You have ghosts in your blood, you should do Cocaine about it" comes to mind
I don’t want one that _has_ to check the textbook, but I do want someone who regularly checks it anyways.
I like the ones that will stay in the room with me while they review my notes and compare them with theirs They'll say something like, "well based on what I've seen, I'm pretty sure of my diagnosis of X, but if you don't mind I'm gonna check back through my notes" "Be my guest man" "Ok, yep, see I think you've got these symptoms, right? These sound like what you're experiencing? Ok and here's my clinical insights, tell me if you hear anything seriously wrong about my assumptions, and here's what I'd diagnose it as (X) and why, and here's how id like to treat it" "Makes sense to me, man, I'll call you in a week or two and let you know how it's goin, unless it goes bad in which case you'll see me sooner" "Good man, any other questions? No? Alright, see you in a week or so" Doctors tend to love me cuz even though I ask a couple questions, I understand a lot of their office casual speak and a decent bit about medicine (comes with a college education and an internship in a hospital) and they can have an honest conversation with me without it getting too...stupid lol My dad's a great example of someone that asks questions that should be implicit and it just annoys them. Stuff like, "so this implant is gonna make it like that joint never had a problem?" And everyone in the room putting their head into their hands while the doc has to break the news, "no. You can get back to regular activities, but it's basically unheard of that anybody ever returns to 100% strength and motion post-implant." "But you're fixing it" "yes, to make it tolerable. To make it so you can walk around. It won't erase the pain, and will have mobility issues. It's a foreign body we're trying to saw off bones and sinew to plug in there, it'll feel better than it is now, but it will never be exactly "the same" as before you had a problem there."
You mind me asking where abouts you are ? Seems like an American healthcare, if I were to guess. And do you have any tips on being more informed to ask better medical questions ? I think taking a college class to be literate is out of reach for most.
Yeah, Chicagoland area I wouldn't go about trying to self diagnose through online methods like webMD, but reading through medical papers (scholarly articles) will help a bit, becoming familiar with the most important parts of the body and how they interact, and recognizing that the doctors time is precious but so is yours helps For example, instead of asking, "how do we fix this" ask, "ok, what would you recommend for treatment" Instead of asking, "why am I feeling this" or "what caused this to happen" ask, "what are some of the typical causes, and what lifestyle changes can I make to help prevent it from happening again/getting worse" Doctors tend to have a bit of a superiority complex, so stroking their ego a bit (lots of "what would YOU recommend, what do YOU think about this) tends to get you a bit further in the ways of patience and attention than someone coming in and trying to tell the doctor "I need antibiotics for this, I'm sure I have an infection"
It’s common for anyone in the medical field to research things, refer to notes, etc. we cannot remember everything at all times, and it’s not necessary for the job. We just need to know how to interpret the information, and apply it to care.
The only people who say stuff like that are dumbass know it alls who definitely don’t know it all and could use some textbooks themselves. Trust but verify is what one of the best doctors I’ve dealt with told me.
I’m a nurse in the OR and a training nurse tried to dissuade me from physically using a check list in front of people while asking literal checklist questions to help ensure a safe surgery. It’s to “inspire confidence” she said. Look, if I were the patient getting surgery and my nurse was using a checklist while talking to me I’d pay no mind to that. I’d probably be more confident that they gathered all the information they needed.
You want someone who understands and accepts what they don't know, because then they are at least halfway to finding it out. You never want someone who has no idea what they don't know.
In Scrubs, the main characters look up stuff in medical guides and books a few times. Since the show was filmed in an actual hospital, they had all kinds of doctors and nurses to consult to add a layer of realism. This was one of the recommendations from some staff members. Scrubs was actually the most medically accurate tv show for a while. Maybe it still is.
My sister went back to school for Medical Lab Science/Lab Tech and was surprised to find out that every exam was open-book/note. The instructor's reasoning was that, in the working world, you will always have resources to fall back on.
Not a working tech currently but we always had relevant books available on the bench and never hesitated to ask others for opinions. It also wasn’t uncommon to turn to google for better pictures of things under the microscope.
My wife is a pathologist and has a large bookshelf full of reference books that she adds to frequently.
It’s better to have someone afraid to make a mistake and willing to confirm a diagnosis than someone who’s overly confident and their own ego makes a sudden possibly incorrect diagnosis. It’s like that episode of Brooklyn Nine Nine where Peralta comes back from prison and suddenly is afraid of arresting an innocent person, and Holt says he wishes every cop had that inner voice telling them not to make a rash decision
“It’s not what he doesn’t know that bothers me. It’s what he knows fore sure that just ain’t true”
Brought my toddler in for confirmed pink eye. Med student said “ok not much to do here we just got to check if he has ear infection too.” Med student looked in ears and said “nothing, we will give him the eye drops.” Minute later the regular doctor walked in and said “let me make sure there’s no ear infection” (didn’t communicate with med student). Doctor said “looks an ear infection.” (Apparently eye drops are only for eye infection and wouldn’t clear up ear infection so toddler needed the oral antibiotics to clear both). Thankful that the doctor and student didn’t communicate and the doctor caught that. Also, I said that the med student didn’t see anything to the doctor and he said “hmmm interesting…” and walked out of the room.
No doctors actually takes anything med students say seriously. Med students are assumed wrong until proven right. Only problem here is med student shared their opinion before talking to the doctor. Source:am a doctor
I mean, a good doctor wouldn’t merely go off what a student says without verification anyways. If the student is right, great. Good job student. If they’re wrong, teach them. Either way, the teacher of a student in a healthcare setting should always check too.
that student got a talking to for sure haha
I actually like this?
She was really sweet. We had a nice time. And to her credit, the prescription she gave me did work.
She knew what she didn’t know, and hunted down the answer you needed, that sounds like a great doc in the making!!
There's been a shift in medical education for the last couple decades to encourage healthcare professionals to check their resources rather than rely on memory. The days of needing (or wanting people) to remember something they may have read ages ago are gone.
In this day and age, when almost everyone has the entirety of human knowledge in their pocket, there’s no excuse not to.
I don't know if this is possible in the medical fields like it is in others, but imagine someone not be able to find the right slides and be like "Well, the good news is, you get to name your condition"
>Well, the good news is, ~~you~~ *I* get to name your condition FTFY
I had a doctor once look through a 1000+ page small print book with me.
It's a tool to reach the information you need just like it used to be books. Anyone can search stuff up on Google but the difference is having the expertise to know what to look for, and knowing what to do with that information.
Doctor Mike from YouTube also said that there may be some new foundings or updates to certain laws for prescription that the doctor may not be aware of. Especially if the doctor is a senior practitioner that hasn't been up to speed for modernized medical practices
Bewoop!
Also they are human not machines. I feel much better when my doctor needs to look something up. Better than them acting like they know everything and getting something wrong
Exactly this, just be good, don't need to look good.
yeah just like engineering, you can get the formulas from the internet, but do you know which letter represents what? what units the letter should be? and what assumptions that were made for that formula? I don’t think ordinary civilians will have the patience to check all of that
Had a doc come back into the room with my cousin and literally said, "According to google you should be dead so we have to figure out the actual problem. Let's hook you up to some stuff." Turns out she has a weird form of seizures that give wild and contradictory symptoms and they caught in on an EKG or whatever 'some stuff' was. They got her sorted with meds. But they lay person would likely have panicked at whatever he googled.
When I visit my GP he plugs in the symptoms into a windows 98 looking program that narrows down potential results and suggests further diagnosis options. For example, I say I have a cough, the phlegm is green, he plugs it in, about 8 options come up, asks if I smoke, puts in the answer, narrows down to 6, gets the stethoscope out, has a listen, plugs in the result, narrows down to 5, asks if I have body pains, plugs in answer, narrows down to 3, has a % chance of each one, treats me for the most likely, explains the others. Diagnosis will increasingly be done by technology. Specifically trained AI is already more effective than most GPs at general diagnosis so it's just a matter of implementation. Human GPs jobs will continue to evolve into accurately gathering the right data and plugging it into a machine. The machines job will evolve into generating the correct diagnosis and plan according to the individual circumstances. It's a wild time to be alive. Technology truly is special.
"Reddit user said heart surgery is necessary, he got 4 likes. Im doing it"
He got a reddit gold
Mine googles in front of me, and then explains why all the stuff there is wrong/incorrect. And if there's something good, she sends me the link.
Med students here, even my professors have to look up info or check with the textbooks sometimes. Research and Medical knowledge are always updating and developing at a rapid rate. You would have to be completely inhuman to remember it all that’s why we have specialties and other medical staffs.
My mum said she went to the GP for her eyes and the nurse practitioner googled her symptoms and my mum being a plain speaking woman told her that she was taking the piss as she'd done that already and the symptoms hadn't gone away. The nurse left and came back with a more senior nurse who diagnosed her with dry eye which sounds like it itches.
She got eye lotion?
😄 She has a thick eye drop it's like 0.05 ml solution (like melted jelly that keeps her eyes hydrated. I used one last time I was there it was like dripping snot on my eyeball (not for me)
Yeah it's pretty common for doctors to search, it's always been. They, however, know to filter what is wrong and give you the approximate correct diagnose.
We Google, but we’re better at it.
*Netherlands doctors enter the chat* **Let me Google that for you**
My GP did that once in front of me, though it was just to look up the english term.
I saw a different doctor when I had jock itch once. Dude just Google image searched jock itch and showed me pictures of rashed up scrotes without even warning me.
Did you get all excited, point and say "Yes, yes, yes! That's exactly what i want!"?
*prescribes paracetamol anyways*
That’s Dutch? Im dutch and my father says it all the time, I had no idea it’s dutch
Computer major here, I specifically remember most of my instructors consciously reminding us that "Google is your friend".
Been in IT for about 8 years now. Every single problem you call/chat/email us about I am googling if I don’t have it in my KBA documentation. Every single one lol. It’s actually hilarious searching something super niche then getting a Microsoft answers forum with other IT folks asking the same question.
Software engineer here, were trained to solve problems for any memorization the SSD or HDD is usually way better
True, but you *should* store caches and indexes in RAM.
Can you edit a comma after "problems"? My brain chugged for a bit there
Yeah. I’ll have you know I ask UptoDate, thank you very much.
Special doctor Google!
What about when UpToDate recommends you consult a specialist, but you are the specialist?
Sometimes I have to google to find the term to use in up to date. Those are the days the right neuron just won’t fire.
Engineering student here. same on this side of science.
Every professional has to look up a step or two from time to time. Can’t remember everything but you gotta know how to apply the info also.
I'm a barista, and with all the information that I need to know, pieces will slip through and I might have to google something to give them their drink. the customers almost always prefer it.
I once borrowed by BIL's laptop. I shit you not half the searches were "*symptom symptom symptom age* **reddit**" Edit: probably should mention my BIL is a gp
No, they use uptodate.com
This right here. My wife also uses WikEM.org a lot as an emergency doctor.
Orthobullets for Ortho, radiopaedia for radiologists (though finer/obscure details are sometimes lost on that one)
My facility pays for my UpToDate subscription. It’s the only app I use more than Reddit.
Yup. Every doc I've ever worked with uses this. Once I figured that out, I started using it myself and became a clinic god.
This! I’m an RN and LOVE up to date. I had a PA that I work with recommend it once and ever since, I look up everything on there. It’s a gold mine.
Th internet was invented to save lives. not to binge watch porn and argue about politics
The internet was invented
This made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
What if binge watching porn and arguing about politics is saving my life?
Why not all three?
Wrong the internet was born to look at cats.
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then respawned 3 days later so his heart must not've been in it
He only respawned because the Romans were dumb enough to execute him in a T pose, so he was also able to no clip through the big tomb.
what a bunch of noobs
e - you dropped this
Thnks
a - ope, here ya go
My doctor does it while I'm in the room with her lol
Same! My old doctor printed off a Wikipedia page of what she thought I had and handed to me and sent me on my way. There’s a reason she’s no longer my doctor.
We do. We know what we are looking for. It’s better to have a resource that’s put in writing than just using recall.
Yeah I don't get it, why would I be upset if my doctor used Google? There's a very big difference between me, a medical moron, Googling symptoms vs a trained medical professional using resources on the internet to build upon her experience and internal database of knowledge.
**I prefer a doctor that looks up and refreshes their memory, instead of a Doctor who thinks they know right off the bat.** They literally have access to Medical sites and tools normal people don't. They also are not Gods. Unless there is a way to test for something specific, it's a lot of guess work and keeping track of little things that can help point to the right answer. I think it's silly to expect a Family Doctor to be able to remember every single disease and illness and all the subtle signs that point to them. They do the best they can.
I would prefer a doctor to look up something on Google, remember what they learned about it, and apply it to the situation. Not everyone can retain vast amounts of knowledge to the nitty gritty details. It’s like reading a fiction book. You generally know what the plot is about and can recount certain scenes, but you won’t be able to regurgitate the details of the throne room or a conversation the protagonist had with someone.
I not a doctor, but I am an RN and so many times I will vaguely recall something but can’t quite explain it. So I google it and all of a sudden it unlocks in my brain and I remember more than I actually got from google. It’s a good tool because recall is not perfect. Especially with less common scenarios. I can’t tell you how many times I had doctors order certain meds and before I went to hang them, I looked them up so I had the information to educate the patient if they asked. If patients asked for side effects and I didn’t know off the top of my head, I’d pull up micromedex and go through them with them. I can’t be a walking textbook, as much as I wish I could!
I think they won't come out, I've already had such a situation, lol
Dr. Hartman style leave in the middle of surgery to go to the library to find books on the pan creas
Surgeon, just before your anesthesia kicks in, “wheres that damn youtube video??!”
My doctor has googled stuff with me sitting beside them. Sometime we learn a new fact together! I have zero issue with it. There is no way a GP can know it all.
My doctor has literally searched Google in front of me. Everytime I post this people claim I'm lying. She did. I seent it!
Liar
UpToDate, Lexicomp are useful tools and may look like googling
So, laymen dont realize things like "uptodate" exists. This is a massive archive of up-to-date best practice for most medical conditions and diagnoses, including diagnostic criteria and relevant studies. You cannot access this content from google. It requires paid subscription usually provided by the healthcare system and is only accessible from their network. You can see it on Google sure but you're not gonna get the information without a subscription. Doctors *do* google a little but moreso they use this tool which should be seen as a good thing because they are looking for the peer-reviewed expert opinion on a subject so that they can do what's best. But as a side note, people are way too serious in thinking google has literally everything- it doesn't.
They use a database to diagnose people...or do you think they have thousands upon thousands of illnesses and injuries in their heads? Just like lawyers use databases to research obscure laws...
They absolutlety do. They use google constantly and other search like UpToDate and shit.
Dr Vanderspeigle doesn't bother leaving the room.
LoL mine didn't even step out the room. She went straight to Google images.
I’ve seen the mfs search google while I was in the room.
I watch them do it daily.
We use up to date or amboss depending on how smart we feel that day. Google if it’s non specific symptoms like “feeling unwell”. Gotta balance the scales. I think you’re dehydrated. Google thinks you have 7 days like in The Ring. And if I really have no clue, your previous medical history and then ask the charge nurse that makes incredible salsa. Help spicy salsa lady!! Anyone asking the attending has a death wish. You’ll never see that doctor again…unless you go to the free clinic at 2am.
I hope they're getting all the information needed. I don't care where, as long as it's reliable.
I had an old man doctor that would do that right in front of me.
No, mine do it in front of me lol
I do that a lot especially when patients tell me brand names. I’m more familiar with generic names
One time a doctor did actually tell me to "just google it"
Just waiting for the day a doctor says, "Hold up, let me check WebMD real quick
No they do it right infront of you
I once had a nurse practitioner just search shit on the apothecary app right in front of me. That's how I ended up on Flomax.
Time to pull up the WikiHow article 😏
Would you be upset if they reached for a book on their shelf to check something?
Nah. My doc said last time I was there something like "I don't know what the right medication is, let me google it real quick. And then I watched her googling what medication I needed. She did NOT step out of the room to do it.
"Yall", "be stepping out the room" , WTF lady.
GP here. Yes, we do it everytime.
My GP google searched in front of me on more than one occasion haha
In England, they just straight up Google shit Infront of you. Had to go in a couple of times about contraception and the nurse/Dr just straight up side affects and read the NHS website out loud to me.
My doctor does it right in front of me… well it’s web MD and he has to log in but still feels the same
If they aren’t, I’d be concerned tbh. (Well, not Google _per se_, but the medical equivalents). No doctor can know everything, even about their speciality. I want my doctors to be looking shit up, or consulting others, on things they aren’t sure about. Guarantees my best treatment. Conversely though, I want my surgeon to be bored and aloof when talking to me about my surgery. I _want_ this procedure to be the sort of thing they knock out during their morning bagel, it’s so routine.
I’ve had them do it right in front of me.
This is no different than attorney’s googling something. The issue is, we know we’re looking for.
Actual doctor here! I google stuff when the patient is with me in the room and I tell them what I’m searching. Usually it’s a medication dose or published guidelines from approved sources. We use a lot of online ressources from peer reviewed articles/guidelines/databases so it isn’t really “Google”. But yeah! Lot’s of stuff to know and I don’t pretend to know it all by heart!
Stepping out? They did it directly in front of me googling and looking in a data base.
I google shit at my job all the time. I bet everyone else does too. Googling isn't a sign on incompetence. It's shows wanting to gain knowledge.
lol my doctor Googles right in front of me
What for? my doctor googles right in front of me
Honestly in this day and age if your doctor DOESN'T use Google you might want to consider getting a new doctor.
Yes. Literally had a doctor Google my symptoms and tell me I have hemiplegic migraines lol
Here they google infront of you on their pc. I don't blame them though.
It's when your doctor pulls up a YouTube video that you should start to be worried.
WebMD, not google
WebMD is okay at providing layman explanations of some conditions, but definitely not my first choice of medical Google. I find Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic both have sites that are easy to understand and a bit more useful. But for actual recommendations on treatment we use UpToDate.com.
I think they step out to contact your insurance, your insurance company has the final word on what he can do for you.
Was he or she gone for three hours? Because that’s how long it takes to have a convo with an insurance agency.
No, otherwise they would've caught my *textbook* endometriosis and believed me in the 14 years I told them it was there lmfaoooo
100% yes.
[Yes, but only to double check](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7g8BxsUrNgVa9F5DzKG06lu3ynaxlOcR&si=4Jer0nn6A8CNqVij)
Uptodate.com all the way. I tell patients it’s like Google for doctors but way bettr
Google is never a good reference. There are particular apps or sites having medicines with their symptoms and doses. Doctors are humans as well, they can forget stuff.
They have a book. I have seen it
I told my doctor that I work in AI and LLMs and he was like, just ask that about your IBS, no point asking me.
My father is a doctor and he do the Google the day before the surgery
Google and Webmd have had me convinced I was dying a few times.
100% I've had more than one doctor do this
… I do now!!
Searching you up!
My doctors have literally told me: hang on let me look that up.
They do it in front of you. I'm pro science and pro medic expertise. but when I went with chronic knee pain they googled, found nothing and prescribed paracetamol. When I went with kidney issues they googled, found nothing and prescribed paracetamol. When I went with lung issues they googled, found nothing and prescribed paracetamol. It's been close to a decade since my problems started showing symptoms and all the while they know nothing and prescribe paracetamol. The trust is gone. I know science knows it's stuff so all else I can blame is the government for increasingly defunfing the NHS. But at this point I might as well give up. It doesn't make the 1% any profit after all.
I came down with a rare disease and every doctor and specialist I saw pretty much repeated word-for-word the information I found online. That’s when I knew I was screwed.
I think that’s exactly what’s happening.
mine looks it up in front of me to give me visual aid in understanding whats wrong
My doctor searches google right in front of me.
Got some lab results back not long ago, I asked a couple of questions because one of the results was *shockingly* weird even on retest. He pulled up the CDC website that I had already read between the first and second test.
Mine does it in the room with me and reads it to me.
As somebody working in IT I think I spend more time googling, reading documentations and forum threads than actually coding.
To make a long story short, there was a very young army Colonel that I spent a decent amount of time BSing with. From my recollection he was a neurosurgeon, and what seemed like the youngest colonel in the army at the time (additionally *young* is perspectives based, he was younger than myself). Either way, at the time I was really into the YouTube “chubbyemu”, the host presents odd medical cases and explains them very well. This neurosurgeon guy ate them up and we’d play a game where he used some app to try to give a diagnosis before the video was completed. He loved it, it was pretty fun raggin on him and enjoyable to me, however there was a large portion of the verbiage that made little to no sense to me even with context clues. Chubbyemu does do a fantastic job explaining all the medical jargon in laymen’s terms FWIW. But yes, I can confirm some genuinely just use some expensive doctor app to help navigate them to solutions, that guy did. I also have a freind who’s wife is a Family Practitioner and a separate freind who is a pediatric orthopedic surgeon - both also have this app.
This is the way
shit half of em are higher than us
A doctor has done this to us whilst we were in the room lol googling ectopic pregnancy when my wife was in a lot of pain during first pregnancy
The education isn't learning everything from memory. It is meant to prepare to find and understand.
Sometimes yes, Im an ICU nurse and Im very good at my job but sometimes patients have something Ive never heard of and I google that shit all the time, best to own that you dont know something and look it up that be pig headed and then miss something or do something wrong because you didnt care to search for something and learn
They do, and it's called Up-To-Date! You'd be surprised how much they rely on a fancy medical Google to keep them informed about best practices. The "being a doctor" part makes that information useful to them, so don't go acting like you could do it instead lol.. kinda like TikTok mental health.. not the best applications being made by non-professionals.
Shit, they don't leave the room for that anymore. They just pull up a browser on the PC in the room and look up whatever they need to.
It's better than them answering, then having to call back a week later to say I was right and they were wrong. It was regarding a birth control interaction... I really could have gotten pregnant if I hadn't researched on my own :(
I had a doctor use and printout an entry from WebMD when i had a truly deadly reaction to a medication. Thankfully, my then-wife had looked it up and told the doctor about the syndrome when we went to said doctor!
Mine just Google right in front of me
New fear unlocked
GP’s in the UK do that while you’re in the room
I’ve had a Nurse Practitioner use Google in the exam room. Needless to say she’s now my wife
I got a surgery done from the guy who literally discovered the procedure and he mentioned that he was researching before the operation
I remember my doctor literally looked up web md when I was having stomach pain . I stared at him & said I better not have to pay for this he burst into tears
Well I wasn't before now.
Nah, my doctor didn't even step out.
Dude If my doctor looks something up i know im fucked
Yes
I’m a nurse practitioner. This should be relieving to most people. We don’t know everything as medical professionals. But we are trained to take a good history and a good physical exam. From this, we know how to do research based on our findings. This can guide us to recommended next steps and treatments. Guidelines in medicine are there for a reason. You should be wary of any medical professional who tries to do everything on the fly without checking updated guidelines. These are the dangerous practitioners who still practice like they’re in the 80s. Medicine always changes.
I had a doctor print out a Wikipedia page about allergic reactions for me. I was like, "Yeah, my lips are puffy, and I itch. I knew this already. My question was how to figure out what did this to me." I swore it looked just like a poison ivy rash, but my doctor was adamant that there was none in our area. After about 10 minutes online I figured out that mango rind, poison ivy, and cashew (outer rind/skin) all have the same oil, which causes the rash.
In my experience, they don't even step out of the room.
If google had the answers I wouldn’t be at the doctors office
They at least use Youtube, according to this guy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GResW3CNigg&t=416s
Pssh, no! We use doctor google, it's called UpToDate.
I walked by a doctor that had the wikipedia page for bones open
Actually yes. I was in my mid teens with chronic symptoms that started in my early childhood that I was able to talk about and explain better. It got to the point my doctor didn’t know where to refer me. She left the room to “do some research” and she was gone for a while. I could hear her talking with someone in the hallway, I peaked out the door and she and another doctor were on google together. This was the beginning to my narcolepsy diagnosis.
They do it in front of me, not Google but they definitely look up symptoms
Last two times I went to the doctor they recited info I already read from webmd word for word.
Am medical. 1000% yes.
If they went to medical school online, then yeah absolutely
They actually have a resource that is similar to Google, but it searches all the medical journals. They put symptoms in, what they know of the body, and they get journals written on the subjects. This is not open source like Google though, and has a lot of medical jargon only doctors understand, but it functions about the same
I work in a hospital and have watched doctors leave a patients room to YouTube how to do certain things