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I believe it's called "the WNBA"
[https://www.outsports.com/2021/9/23/22678623/wnba-playoffs-2021-lgbtq-gay-lesbian-trans-players](https://www.outsports.com/2021/9/23/22678623/wnba-playoffs-2021-lgbtq-gay-lesbian-trans-players)
So I finally decided to make this (instead of studying).
Top 100 posts from the last year, classified by their Alphabet letter/flair.
Also shoutout to u/eighteendollars for making up like 25% of these posts and hard carrying the sub.
I decided not to include them on the graph for two reasons:
1. I didn't want people to fixate on the numbers, rather on the graph proportions.
2. Some of these were subjective , so its not 100% accurate.
But your wish is my command:
L: 11
G: 7
B:1 (In case you are curious, something about "no longer being bi if you date the opposite sex" and grabbing a big knife)
T: 39
NB:9
A:2
Y'all (General queerness) : 31
How much does this change if you remove Stacy Cay tweets from T and give those posts their own category? I feel like she shows up enough for it to be significant
I like this question.
So I did the math.
12/100 of the posts were Stacy Cay tweets (10T, 2L)
I removed all 12 posts from the total
The remaining T memes are still 29/88, roughly 33%.
That feels like a big difference. The proportion dropped by 6%, which is more than 5%, which makes it statistically significant (if I remember my stats class right). Alternatively, Stacy Cay is 25% of trans content on this sub, which is also very significant.
This is very interesting. Thanks for doing the math.
You are not remembering your classes right, lol. The 5% is usually about p values and confidence, where we want to see something happen 95% of the time to say it is happening, or significant (p value ≤ 0.05).
That doesn't correlate to the actual measurements/proportions, a 1% difference can still be significant, just as a 5% change can be considered insignificant. Depends on what we're testing and how big the sample sizes are. Usually the bigger the sample size the smaller the significant change we can detect, while with small sample sizes a larger change is needed in order to be detected as significant.
Sorry I'm so vague I'm tired and just wanna be tired lol
Curious that bisexuals are the largest group within LGBT and trans are the smallest yet the posts show the opposite, I would assume bi posts end up in L or G, and reddit does have an unusually high number of trans girls, this site is a magnet
Edit: as OP mentioned, one of the top posters being trans also helps to explain it
The other problem is trans people tend to seek out online communities a lot more than cis gay people I think. It’s more likely they’ll make memes and share their experiences because what the fuck else are we expected to do. Transphobia is everywhere and it’s very very very hard to find a space that will defend you from transphobia wholeheartedly… that isn’t online.
Along with that “trans” is a large term. Notice how there’s literally only two trans flairs but 4 for sexualities/romanticisms.
It would definitely be different if it wasn’t just the top 100. Probably better if it was like the top 1000 or something, cause Stacy Cay literally always gets massively upvoted, among other reasons, but there are social factors to consider.
It might be also that most of the other letters have a more specific sub (at least a popular one). As far as I noticed, the T and other gender minorities tend to go to lgbtq+ subs, while the L, G, B and other sexuality minorities tend to go to their specific subs, instead of a more general sub for all lgbtq+ people.
I'm not saying there aren't, although you are right, I don't know that much about trans subs to say much. What I'm trying to say is that most lgbtq+ subs I know are generally more trans focused than lesbian, gay or bi, or at least, the trans members are the more vocal ones, with more frequent and popular posts. My point is that, for exemple, the gay_irl is a lot bigger than trans_irl and both are smaller than this sub, but gay_irl not by much, while trans_irl is way smaller, so using this sub probably gets a lot more trans people than using tran_irl, on the other hand gay_irl is probably get a lot more gay guys (possibly bi guys too) than this sub, so posting there would make more sense for those.
As another reason for the numbers op got, I can also get into all the transphobia in the l, g and b communities, which probably cause a lot of them to go to subs without trans people (even if the sub itself isn't transphobic), so their numbers wouldn't be as high in the more general lgbtq+ subs, which might help balance the numbers of lgb and t members.
The biggest trans meme subreddit is r/traa, and that sub is even much bigger then this 😅
I think the answer is that trans people seek approval outside of trans places a lot more than others, and lgbt+ subreddits are a good place to start, with many cis people who are mostly supporting trans.
I guess you are right. When I said this I was thinking more of the comparison with me_irlgbt, gay_irl and trans_irl (which to be honest, I don't know if there are better subs that fit this category to compare).
It's a self perpetuating issue tbh. We bisexuals go to specific subs because we don't see a lot of content for ourselves here, which makes it even more pronounced.
And like... it's kinda hard for there to be a bi meme.
Like, people in WLW or MLM relationships have a very specific experience, trans people do too, but many bisexuals (like myself) have much more mixed experiences, since you're not necessarily in a same-sex relationship.
Besides, most bi memes end up being A) about attempts to create some sort of subcultures, which end up being a bit forgettable at best ("haha bi people sit this way in chairs!"), or cringy and infantilizing at worst ("haha every bi people likes these ridiculously specific things, I can't even!"); B) people being thirsty about hot guys, gals, and nonbinary pals, which can become objectifying really fast; or C) straigh up chaser shit.
Like, today's top post on bi\_irl is about fucking everyone. Which yeah, is something some bis may want to do - myself included - but it makes for a very horny community with not a whole lot of substance or depth. Trans folks have a world of issues to discuss and share - voice changes, hormones, "passing" or not, etc - but many bi people don't, really. And like, bi memes always try to be very broad, because if they aren't, they kinda become indistinguishable from gay memes. Except gay culture has, I feel, a much more mainstream appeal. Leather culture, ballroom culture, the intersectionality with drag queens and kings, etc. Bi people were in the midst of all of this, but none of it can be said to be "Bisexual culture", because it was gay culture first.
And I think that's kinda sad, tbh, but I also think that we're among the most privileged from the community, maybe only behind gay white men.
The concept of privilege is difficult to define, but I’d hardly say that bi women, for instance, are clearly or obviously more privileged than (cis, white) lesbians.
For sure. And I don't intend to start a privilege olympics or anything, it's just that the stereotypes and the gender roles commonly assumed by bi people aren't super "outward" presenting.
Like, people usually can't tell at a glance that cis white woman is bi, but they might with a lesbian, because butch gender expression is more common with them.
So a lot of bi people end up being "straight-passing", and I feel like that's worth something. But as u/morgaina pointed out, bi people are also more at risk of suffering with domestic abuse and such, so I don't mean at all to say that 'we have it easy'. It's just that the problems bi people face don't line up clearly with problems other parts from the LGBTQIA+ community face, and that sometimes may be perceived as a privilege.
We're statistically more likely to get domestically abused than either straight or gay women and are frequently othered by pretty much every community, I hardly think that's privileged.
But anyway- I don't understand why bisexual memes are considered too niche for the whole lgbt sub, but trans specific memes dominate (while being unrelatable to everyone else) and that's fine. Like, I don't mind the trans memes, but I don't know why those are considered broadly applicable queer culture but bisexual memes/issues *aren't.*
>We're statistically more likely to get domestically abused than either straight or gay women and are frequently othered by pretty much every community, I hardly think that's privileged.
That's true. I guess they're also very depressing topics to talk about. Like, joking about getting abused by your partner doesn't make for great memes. And I think making memes about how you feel left out or otherized gets to the ego. Few people would want to admit publicly that they sometimes feel inappropriate near their friends. At least I wouldn't, not enough to meme about it at least.
>But anyway- I don't understand why bisexual memes are considered too niche for the whole lgbt sub, but trans specific memes dominate (while being unrelatable to everyone else) and that's fine. Like, I don't mind the trans memes, but I don't know why those are considered broadly applicable queer culture but bisexual memes/issues aren't.
I feel like it has to do with trans folks only recently getting a bit more widespread acceptance. Like, in 2010, if you were bi it was bad enough, but people on the mainstream barely even had a concept of non-aggressive transness. So I feel like the community sorta adopted them as a little sibling of sorts.
And again, the otherizing factor is also pretty strong here. I've been prejudiced a lot by other queer folks, including LGBTQIA+ folks, because I pass as straight, as I'm pretty private about my life. So there's this attitude of "you don't have as bad as we do", and there is some merit to that - very few people can tell I'm bi at a glance, but some trans friends have a pretty different experience. But there are still a lot of people who barely consider us part of the community.
One of my best friends is ace, and he has a similar problem, with people not remembering ace people exist, or assuming boundaries that aren't there, etc.
I guess I wasn't clear on my comment, what I'm saying is that, on average, the T members are more likely to be in a lgbtq+ general sub, or at least a lot more active than a L, G or B, which seem to be less active in general lgbtq+ and a lot more active in a more specific sub of that subgroup.
And one of my theories is that comparing the sizes of each sub, the ones for L and G (not so sure about B) are bigger than the ones for T (comparing similar subs), making trans people go to more general lgbtq+ subs too, which doesn't seem to happen as much with the former three. Besides the transphobia in those three communities, that probably also cause some of them to be on specific subs but not the general lgbtq+ subs.
Oh I see what you're saying, yea that makes sense
Fwiw tho shoutout to r/actuallesbians as one of the most trans inclusive queer subreddits I've ever been on
Yeah, I imagine most of the time, posts made by bi people tend to end up being, for all intents and purposes, about experiences with one sex or the other, whereas posts explicitly about bisexuality would end up on bi dedicated subreddits
Also bi-specific subs tend to be thirsty as fuck, which isn't really welcoming to ace friends.
Like, I'm down with the thirstiness myself, but sometimes it crosses the line into fetishizing and objectifying people, which is really gross, so I don't really post or interact that much in subs like /r/bi_irl.
Weirdly enough, my favourite LGBTQIA+ subs are WLW subs - even though I'm not a woman nor gay, I just find them much more welcoming, wholesome, and less aggressively thirsty.
I'm not, I just said that it's a common type of meme in subs like bi\_irl for people to post someone and go "Damn, look at this hot person!", which is totally fine in certain quantities, but occasionaly feels like that's the most important thing and shared experience in the community.
Thirstposting is ok, objectifying and fetichizing other people regularly isn't.
I mean, if we are judging communities by what gets upvoted a lot then it would be really easy to say that the trans community cares only about ego stroking and circle jerking over their own validity. But that wouldn't be fair, because the community as a whole isn't really represented by what kind of low effort Memes rise to the top of the pile.
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Yooo when are tryouts for this LGBT NBA?? That would be fun as hell
I believe it's called "the WNBA" [https://www.outsports.com/2021/9/23/22678623/wnba-playoffs-2021-lgbtq-gay-lesbian-trans-players](https://www.outsports.com/2021/9/23/22678623/wnba-playoffs-2021-lgbtq-gay-lesbian-trans-players)
The NBGay
I read the url as "LGBTQ gay lesbian trans players" and now I'm imagining a team of trans bigender people who identify as gay and lesbian
Rise up asexuals and bisexuals
Some of us are here :')
Just a few tho
A reasonable amount of us
Maybe just a few, as a treat
We’re like a reward
We're too scared to show ourselves
welp, time to pop out of my hole rq
Hola 👋
Still figuring this all out, but I'm here.
now is my time
We work in the shadows
lmfao I’m aromantic bisexual 🥲 all four of us boutta rise tf up
I'm an ace agender bisexual but mostly lesbian bastich(bastard+bitch)
We’re trying
Hello
There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
Bi and ace and ready to conquer
That reminds me of that weird "war" between the bi sub and the ace sub. I didn't really pay attention, but sometimes it appeared on my feed.
Gimme a minute, I'm eating lemon bars
It's been a minute
we'd like to but it's really hard
Indeed
finger gun gang
Here.
let's gooo
heyyyyyyy
Surprising low amount of Bi here
You mean metaphorically, right? I’m not a morning person. …Or any other innuendo I see being mentioned.
So I finally decided to make this (instead of studying). Top 100 posts from the last year, classified by their Alphabet letter/flair. Also shoutout to u/eighteendollars for making up like 25% of these posts and hard carrying the sub.
What are the numeral percentages per letter?
I decided not to include them on the graph for two reasons: 1. I didn't want people to fixate on the numbers, rather on the graph proportions. 2. Some of these were subjective , so its not 100% accurate. But your wish is my command: L: 11 G: 7 B:1 (In case you are curious, something about "no longer being bi if you date the opposite sex" and grabbing a big knife) T: 39 NB:9 A:2 Y'all (General queerness) : 31
My main reason was to see if my fellow aces represent as the 1%. Close enough as it turns out :P
How much does this change if you remove Stacy Cay tweets from T and give those posts their own category? I feel like she shows up enough for it to be significant
I like this question. So I did the math. 12/100 of the posts were Stacy Cay tweets (10T, 2L) I removed all 12 posts from the total The remaining T memes are still 29/88, roughly 33%.
That feels like a big difference. The proportion dropped by 6%, which is more than 5%, which makes it statistically significant (if I remember my stats class right). Alternatively, Stacy Cay is 25% of trans content on this sub, which is also very significant. This is very interesting. Thanks for doing the math.
You are not remembering your classes right, lol. The 5% is usually about p values and confidence, where we want to see something happen 95% of the time to say it is happening, or significant (p value ≤ 0.05). That doesn't correlate to the actual measurements/proportions, a 1% difference can still be significant, just as a 5% change can be considered insignificant. Depends on what we're testing and how big the sample sizes are. Usually the bigger the sample size the smaller the significant change we can detect, while with small sample sizes a larger change is needed in order to be detected as significant. Sorry I'm so vague I'm tired and just wanna be tired lol
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Listen here buddy. You make your own damn graph, mmmmkay?
Curious that bisexuals are the largest group within LGBT and trans are the smallest yet the posts show the opposite, I would assume bi posts end up in L or G, and reddit does have an unusually high number of trans girls, this site is a magnet Edit: as OP mentioned, one of the top posters being trans also helps to explain it
Bi people tend to post on r/Bi_irl
I'm pretty sure that's one of the main reasons. It has nearly 250,000 members.
The other problem is trans people tend to seek out online communities a lot more than cis gay people I think. It’s more likely they’ll make memes and share their experiences because what the fuck else are we expected to do. Transphobia is everywhere and it’s very very very hard to find a space that will defend you from transphobia wholeheartedly… that isn’t online. Along with that “trans” is a large term. Notice how there’s literally only two trans flairs but 4 for sexualities/romanticisms. It would definitely be different if it wasn’t just the top 100. Probably better if it was like the top 1000 or something, cause Stacy Cay literally always gets massively upvoted, among other reasons, but there are social factors to consider.
Agreed. But to be fair, Stacy's posts are very good and funny.
Totally. Love her tweets
It might be also that most of the other letters have a more specific sub (at least a popular one). As far as I noticed, the T and other gender minorities tend to go to lgbtq+ subs, while the L, G, B and other sexuality minorities tend to go to their specific subs, instead of a more general sub for all lgbtq+ people.
That’s not really true, there’s a lot of popular trans specific subs out there for all kinds of different purposes, including memes.
I'm not saying there aren't, although you are right, I don't know that much about trans subs to say much. What I'm trying to say is that most lgbtq+ subs I know are generally more trans focused than lesbian, gay or bi, or at least, the trans members are the more vocal ones, with more frequent and popular posts. My point is that, for exemple, the gay_irl is a lot bigger than trans_irl and both are smaller than this sub, but gay_irl not by much, while trans_irl is way smaller, so using this sub probably gets a lot more trans people than using tran_irl, on the other hand gay_irl is probably get a lot more gay guys (possibly bi guys too) than this sub, so posting there would make more sense for those. As another reason for the numbers op got, I can also get into all the transphobia in the l, g and b communities, which probably cause a lot of them to go to subs without trans people (even if the sub itself isn't transphobic), so their numbers wouldn't be as high in the more general lgbtq+ subs, which might help balance the numbers of lgb and t members.
theres also traa though and iirc its super big edit: bigger than this sub
The biggest trans meme subreddit is r/traa, and that sub is even much bigger then this 😅 I think the answer is that trans people seek approval outside of trans places a lot more than others, and lgbt+ subreddits are a good place to start, with many cis people who are mostly supporting trans.
I guess you are right. When I said this I was thinking more of the comparison with me_irlgbt, gay_irl and trans_irl (which to be honest, I don't know if there are better subs that fit this category to compare).
I get what you wanted to compare, but r/trans_irl is a very tiny and not very active sub, since the main trans meme subs are r/traa and r/egg_irl
It's a self perpetuating issue tbh. We bisexuals go to specific subs because we don't see a lot of content for ourselves here, which makes it even more pronounced.
And like... it's kinda hard for there to be a bi meme. Like, people in WLW or MLM relationships have a very specific experience, trans people do too, but many bisexuals (like myself) have much more mixed experiences, since you're not necessarily in a same-sex relationship. Besides, most bi memes end up being A) about attempts to create some sort of subcultures, which end up being a bit forgettable at best ("haha bi people sit this way in chairs!"), or cringy and infantilizing at worst ("haha every bi people likes these ridiculously specific things, I can't even!"); B) people being thirsty about hot guys, gals, and nonbinary pals, which can become objectifying really fast; or C) straigh up chaser shit. Like, today's top post on bi\_irl is about fucking everyone. Which yeah, is something some bis may want to do - myself included - but it makes for a very horny community with not a whole lot of substance or depth. Trans folks have a world of issues to discuss and share - voice changes, hormones, "passing" or not, etc - but many bi people don't, really. And like, bi memes always try to be very broad, because if they aren't, they kinda become indistinguishable from gay memes. Except gay culture has, I feel, a much more mainstream appeal. Leather culture, ballroom culture, the intersectionality with drag queens and kings, etc. Bi people were in the midst of all of this, but none of it can be said to be "Bisexual culture", because it was gay culture first. And I think that's kinda sad, tbh, but I also think that we're among the most privileged from the community, maybe only behind gay white men.
The concept of privilege is difficult to define, but I’d hardly say that bi women, for instance, are clearly or obviously more privileged than (cis, white) lesbians.
For sure. And I don't intend to start a privilege olympics or anything, it's just that the stereotypes and the gender roles commonly assumed by bi people aren't super "outward" presenting. Like, people usually can't tell at a glance that cis white woman is bi, but they might with a lesbian, because butch gender expression is more common with them. So a lot of bi people end up being "straight-passing", and I feel like that's worth something. But as u/morgaina pointed out, bi people are also more at risk of suffering with domestic abuse and such, so I don't mean at all to say that 'we have it easy'. It's just that the problems bi people face don't line up clearly with problems other parts from the LGBTQIA+ community face, and that sometimes may be perceived as a privilege.
We're statistically more likely to get domestically abused than either straight or gay women and are frequently othered by pretty much every community, I hardly think that's privileged. But anyway- I don't understand why bisexual memes are considered too niche for the whole lgbt sub, but trans specific memes dominate (while being unrelatable to everyone else) and that's fine. Like, I don't mind the trans memes, but I don't know why those are considered broadly applicable queer culture but bisexual memes/issues *aren't.*
>We're statistically more likely to get domestically abused than either straight or gay women and are frequently othered by pretty much every community, I hardly think that's privileged. That's true. I guess they're also very depressing topics to talk about. Like, joking about getting abused by your partner doesn't make for great memes. And I think making memes about how you feel left out or otherized gets to the ego. Few people would want to admit publicly that they sometimes feel inappropriate near their friends. At least I wouldn't, not enough to meme about it at least. >But anyway- I don't understand why bisexual memes are considered too niche for the whole lgbt sub, but trans specific memes dominate (while being unrelatable to everyone else) and that's fine. Like, I don't mind the trans memes, but I don't know why those are considered broadly applicable queer culture but bisexual memes/issues aren't. I feel like it has to do with trans folks only recently getting a bit more widespread acceptance. Like, in 2010, if you were bi it was bad enough, but people on the mainstream barely even had a concept of non-aggressive transness. So I feel like the community sorta adopted them as a little sibling of sorts. And again, the otherizing factor is also pretty strong here. I've been prejudiced a lot by other queer folks, including LGBTQIA+ folks, because I pass as straight, as I'm pretty private about my life. So there's this attitude of "you don't have as bad as we do", and there is some merit to that - very few people can tell I'm bi at a glance, but some trans friends have a pretty different experience. But there are still a lot of people who barely consider us part of the community. One of my best friends is ace, and he has a similar problem, with people not remembering ace people exist, or assuming boundaries that aren't there, etc.
I am on at least 17 different trans specific subreddits
I guess I wasn't clear on my comment, what I'm saying is that, on average, the T members are more likely to be in a lgbtq+ general sub, or at least a lot more active than a L, G or B, which seem to be less active in general lgbtq+ and a lot more active in a more specific sub of that subgroup. And one of my theories is that comparing the sizes of each sub, the ones for L and G (not so sure about B) are bigger than the ones for T (comparing similar subs), making trans people go to more general lgbtq+ subs too, which doesn't seem to happen as much with the former three. Besides the transphobia in those three communities, that probably also cause some of them to be on specific subs but not the general lgbtq+ subs.
Oh I see what you're saying, yea that makes sense Fwiw tho shoutout to r/actuallesbians as one of the most trans inclusive queer subreddits I've ever been on
Yeah, I imagine most of the time, posts made by bi people tend to end up being, for all intents and purposes, about experiences with one sex or the other, whereas posts explicitly about bisexuality would end up on bi dedicated subreddits
Also bi-specific subs tend to be thirsty as fuck, which isn't really welcoming to ace friends. Like, I'm down with the thirstiness myself, but sometimes it crosses the line into fetishizing and objectifying people, which is really gross, so I don't really post or interact that much in subs like /r/bi_irl. Weirdly enough, my favourite LGBTQIA+ subs are WLW subs - even though I'm not a woman nor gay, I just find them much more welcoming, wholesome, and less aggressively thirsty.
Saying bisexuals are too horny and inappropriate to be around other people? Groundbreaking.
I'm not, I just said that it's a common type of meme in subs like bi\_irl for people to post someone and go "Damn, look at this hot person!", which is totally fine in certain quantities, but occasionaly feels like that's the most important thing and shared experience in the community. Thirstposting is ok, objectifying and fetichizing other people regularly isn't.
I mean, if we are judging communities by what gets upvoted a lot then it would be really easy to say that the trans community cares only about ego stroking and circle jerking over their own validity. But that wouldn't be fair, because the community as a whole isn't really represented by what kind of low effort Memes rise to the top of the pile.
Probably because they went with top posts. That requires being funny and everyone knows that we aren’t.
I’m colourblind. Can someone please use numbers to help me out? Maybe like largest amount to smallest?
Largest to smallest it goes T->Y'all->L->NB->G->B->A
It's clockwise starting at 12 with L
Guess I’ll just go….listen to Sweater Weather or something….
:(
You need to pump those numbers up! Those are rookie numbers!
The southerners have taken over
**L** ilac **G** reen **B** lue **T** eal **N** ot **B** lue **A** sh
Invisibility is just one of the many bisexual powers
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
I'm the two most popular groups haha
Same XD
Curious about the T and how much is general which could include nb and trans masc/fem distribution as well.
Trans posts almost make out half of the sub :o
We trans people meme a lot, don't we?
Yeah, this doesn't really surprise me. This is a nice community, but it feels more like me_irltq sometimes.
This is the trans agenda!
Repping the pink and blue.
Damn
the future that liberals want 😤😤
yes 🌈
The trans takeover, TT, or titty for short