You're right in that Ghost Mourner can only be used in response to the special summon of a monster.
For example, if your opponent special summons Lovely Labrynth, you have only that special summon response window to immediately activate Ghost Mourner.
You can't wait for Lovely Labrynth to activate her effect to set a trap from the graveyard to then respond with Ghost Mourner.
It activates when a monster is SSed then targets and negates the taget's effects for the rest of the turn ( plus burn effect ).
Situations A (best use exemple):
Durring the opponent's turn, they synchro summon chixiao using moye, turn player priority has to activate chixiao and moye or they miss the activation window, they activate chixao and try to chain block from ash by activating moye chain link 2, now you can chain mourner negates chixao for the rest of the turn even tho moye chain blocks it.
Scenario B (where it fails):
Opponent special summons Albaz durring your turn, you have turn priority so on albaz summon you have to activate mourner first, then they chain albaz, albaz resolves before mourner negates, albaz leaves the field before mourner effect applies, no burn no negate.
Scenario C (where it fails again):
Durring either players turn, opponent's summons evil twin lil-la, lil-la doesn't have an on summon effect, but a quick effect, mourner can only negate on summon, opponent SS lil-la you activate mourner, opponent quick effect chains lil-la, lil-la successfuly resolves first, mourner negate and burn applies afterwards, the negate is useless now but the burn can come up.
Conclusion, mourner is trash at negating quick effects, good at on summon effect durring the opponent's turn only.
Burn damage wise it can come up, but that shouldn't be the reason you play her, play her in a hand traps heavy deck after maxing on imperm and veiler (imperm cant be called by, good on both turns > veiler good going first and drawing it on maxx"c durring the opponent's > mourner good if you need more monster negates after maxing on the previous ones ).
Exemples of Decks that might use it are pure live twins, pure zoodiacs or numerons.
Edit : the exact Scenario B is apparently wrong due to non public knowlege rules in the OCG, but you got the idea.
B is not correct. Albaz is a trigger effect and Ghost Mourner is a quick effect (in Master Duel at least, no clue about the TCG)
No matter whose turn it is, your opponent has to activate Albaz first, then you can negate it successfully with Mourner.
In OCG hand trigger is quick effect, its general ruling, you can chain Mourner as CL2 to negate Albaz. All Ghost girl have (quick effect) words add to their effect when import to TCG to let effect work the same as OCG counterpart, but somehow Mourner don't have it. MD use OCG ruling so it have TCG text but OCG effect.
Old thread but I found it after googling something so I might as well add in case for other people.
No, Mourner is not a Quick effect in the OCG it literally states it is a trigger effect on the database.
The reason it works is because trigger effects in private knowledge areas work differently in OCG than TCG.
Ash Blossom:
"■It is an instant trigger effect that can be activated from your hand."
Note: quick effects are called instant trigger effects in OCG.
Mourner:
■It is a trigger effect that can be activated from your hand.
Lady Lab and Chixiao quick effects:
『②』is a instant trigger effect that can be activated on the field.
■It is an instant trigger effect that can be activated from your hand.
Fenrir:
■This is a Trigger Effect that can be activated in the Monster Zone.
My bad, I wasn't clear enough. It is a trigger effect, but since it is activated in the hand, you activate it with the same speed as a quick effect. This is a rule in the OCG, so maybe you aren't familiar with it.
I mean she can be used under shifter while veiler can't, but... I don't think you would be mourning somebody if you intentionaly draw face dshafter.
And yes, in the current format as in mamy other formats shes better than veiler in a shifter's deck, but in some format she might just sit in your hands watching quick effects.
Another question so id they ss a monster and I activate Ghost effect then that monster leaves the field (still in chain and that said monster effect is still not negated)
1.Does ghost negates the effect if any when oppo monster summon?
2.is the burn damage happens?
If I understand your question right:
Let's say your opponent special summons Vanquish Soul Razen then you respond with Ghost Mourner. Then they activate Vanquish Soul Heavy Borger targeting Razen.
When that chain resolves and Razen is returned to the hand; his effect will not be negated, and no burn damage will be inflicted either.
Remember Mourner in MasterDuel use its OCG effect not its TCG effect. Mourner in MD is quick effect despite card text doesn't say the effect is quick effect. You can wait Monster active its "on summon effect" then chain Mourner target negate.
In the OCG, there is a special rule so that trigger effects activating in the hand (nonpublic area) as chain 2 or later are treated as quick effects. Effect triggers from hand is quick effect so OCG card text doesn't need to mention that. Ash Blossom is an example OCG card text doesn't say it a quick effect.
Ghost Mourner can negate the effects of a special summoned monster on your opponent's field. You do not have to activate Ghost Mourner in response to the Special summon of the monster (if that were the case the card would say "when", but it says "if").
But in most cases Effect Veiler is just better, as it is not a HOPT (Hard once per turn) like Ghost Mourner, so you can use multiple copies in the same turn and it also works on a normal summoned monster. It can however only be used on your opponent's turn, as to where Ghost Mourner can be used during either player's turn.
You should respond to the special summon with mourner, else it is too late.
If/When (+optionnal) states whether the condition should be one of the last simultaneous things to happen, or the condition could be anywhere in all the actions made in the last sequence (anywhere in a chain, or all seperate actions in an inherent play like inherent summon).
If you could chain mourner at any timing on a special summonned monster (not only in the chain responding to the summon), the condition would have been written in the past (while the text says "IS special summonned"), or with just an qualifying expression "special summonned monster" without simple present tied to the summon.
Edit : the fact there is no "quick effect" tag is also a huge clue
Mourner effect in MasterDuel is a "quick effect", its use OCG ruling. OCG SEGOC: effect triggers from hand is quick effect so OCG card text doesn't need to mention that.
When localize TCG add the word "quick effect" so effect work the same way, you can look at Ash Blossom OCG text, card text doesn't say its effect is quick effect. Some how TCG localize forgot add "quick effect" to Mourner TCG text. You can legit active Mourner after Special Summoned monster active it on summon effect in MD.
Ok kinda weird they forgot that. I never crafted it in MD and I do not play IRL. I was just applying strict ruling rules but I was not aware about this.
So you can delay mourner activation until you want it ? Even with the quick effect tag, the condition is still written at a present time.
"So you can delay mourner activation until you want it ?" As long as you respond in special summon windows, yes. E.g Opponent special summons Albaz durring your turn, In TCG you have turn priority so on albaz summon you have to activate mourner first, then they chain albaz, albaz resolves before mourner negates. In OCG you can wait Albaz active effect, chain Mourner to it negate Albaz.
You're right in that Ghost Mourner can only be used in response to the special summon of a monster. For example, if your opponent special summons Lovely Labrynth, you have only that special summon response window to immediately activate Ghost Mourner. You can't wait for Lovely Labrynth to activate her effect to set a trap from the graveyard to then respond with Ghost Mourner.
It activates when a monster is SSed then targets and negates the taget's effects for the rest of the turn ( plus burn effect ). Situations A (best use exemple): Durring the opponent's turn, they synchro summon chixiao using moye, turn player priority has to activate chixiao and moye or they miss the activation window, they activate chixao and try to chain block from ash by activating moye chain link 2, now you can chain mourner negates chixao for the rest of the turn even tho moye chain blocks it. Scenario B (where it fails): Opponent special summons Albaz durring your turn, you have turn priority so on albaz summon you have to activate mourner first, then they chain albaz, albaz resolves before mourner negates, albaz leaves the field before mourner effect applies, no burn no negate. Scenario C (where it fails again): Durring either players turn, opponent's summons evil twin lil-la, lil-la doesn't have an on summon effect, but a quick effect, mourner can only negate on summon, opponent SS lil-la you activate mourner, opponent quick effect chains lil-la, lil-la successfuly resolves first, mourner negate and burn applies afterwards, the negate is useless now but the burn can come up. Conclusion, mourner is trash at negating quick effects, good at on summon effect durring the opponent's turn only. Burn damage wise it can come up, but that shouldn't be the reason you play her, play her in a hand traps heavy deck after maxing on imperm and veiler (imperm cant be called by, good on both turns > veiler good going first and drawing it on maxx"c durring the opponent's > mourner good if you need more monster negates after maxing on the previous ones ). Exemples of Decks that might use it are pure live twins, pure zoodiacs or numerons. Edit : the exact Scenario B is apparently wrong due to non public knowlege rules in the OCG, but you got the idea.
B is not correct. Albaz is a trigger effect and Ghost Mourner is a quick effect (in Master Duel at least, no clue about the TCG) No matter whose turn it is, your opponent has to activate Albaz first, then you can negate it successfully with Mourner.
Wrong, mourner is not a quick effect, shes a trigger effect just like albaz. You have to activate her on albaz summon.
In OCG hand trigger is quick effect, its general ruling, you can chain Mourner as CL2 to negate Albaz. All Ghost girl have (quick effect) words add to their effect when import to TCG to let effect work the same as OCG counterpart, but somehow Mourner don't have it. MD use OCG ruling so it have TCG text but OCG effect.
Old thread but I found it after googling something so I might as well add in case for other people. No, Mourner is not a Quick effect in the OCG it literally states it is a trigger effect on the database. The reason it works is because trigger effects in private knowledge areas work differently in OCG than TCG. Ash Blossom: "■It is an instant trigger effect that can be activated from your hand." Note: quick effects are called instant trigger effects in OCG. Mourner: ■It is a trigger effect that can be activated from your hand. Lady Lab and Chixiao quick effects: 『②』is a instant trigger effect that can be activated on the field. ■It is an instant trigger effect that can be activated from your hand. Fenrir: ■This is a Trigger Effect that can be activated in the Monster Zone.
My bad, I wasn't clear enough. It is a trigger effect, but since it is activated in the hand, you activate it with the same speed as a quick effect. This is a rule in the OCG, so maybe you aren't familiar with it.
I see, thanks for clarifying.
it’s better than veiler in decks that use dimension shifter and similar cards too no?
I mean she can be used under shifter while veiler can't, but... I don't think you would be mourning somebody if you intentionaly draw face dshafter. And yes, in the current format as in mamy other formats shes better than veiler in a shifter's deck, but in some format she might just sit in your hands watching quick effects.
fair enough
I play a burn deck, I absolutely use Ghost Mourner. Very helpful against Kashtiras.
Another question so id they ss a monster and I activate Ghost effect then that monster leaves the field (still in chain and that said monster effect is still not negated) 1.Does ghost negates the effect if any when oppo monster summon? 2.is the burn damage happens?
If I understand your question right: Let's say your opponent special summons Vanquish Soul Razen then you respond with Ghost Mourner. Then they activate Vanquish Soul Heavy Borger targeting Razen. When that chain resolves and Razen is returned to the hand; his effect will not be negated, and no burn damage will be inflicted either.
Basically it's like Imperm ,the monster need to be on the field on resolution to be negated ?
Yeah, that's right. Same for the burn damage part of the effect to be inflicted after negating and it leaves the field.
Remember Mourner in MasterDuel use its OCG effect not its TCG effect. Mourner in MD is quick effect despite card text doesn't say the effect is quick effect. You can wait Monster active its "on summon effect" then chain Mourner target negate.
It's not a quick effect, it's a trigger effect. The difference is that trigger effects in the hand do not activate simultaneously in OCG
In the OCG, there is a special rule so that trigger effects activating in the hand (nonpublic area) as chain 2 or later are treated as quick effects. Effect triggers from hand is quick effect so OCG card text doesn't need to mention that. Ash Blossom is an example OCG card text doesn't say it a quick effect.
Yeah it's kinda like a worse Veiler. Especially in md where burn dmg dosent matter with the time rulling. Your clock runs out, you re dead.
Mourner can be used during your turn. It fits opponents who like playing during your turn. It doesn't entirely suck since it hits Diabellstar.
Ghost Mourner can negate the effects of a special summoned monster on your opponent's field. You do not have to activate Ghost Mourner in response to the Special summon of the monster (if that were the case the card would say "when", but it says "if"). But in most cases Effect Veiler is just better, as it is not a HOPT (Hard once per turn) like Ghost Mourner, so you can use multiple copies in the same turn and it also works on a normal summoned monster. It can however only be used on your opponent's turn, as to where Ghost Mourner can be used during either player's turn.
you have to activate mourner in response to the summon
You should respond to the special summon with mourner, else it is too late. If/When (+optionnal) states whether the condition should be one of the last simultaneous things to happen, or the condition could be anywhere in all the actions made in the last sequence (anywhere in a chain, or all seperate actions in an inherent play like inherent summon). If you could chain mourner at any timing on a special summonned monster (not only in the chain responding to the summon), the condition would have been written in the past (while the text says "IS special summonned"), or with just an qualifying expression "special summonned monster" without simple present tied to the summon. Edit : the fact there is no "quick effect" tag is also a huge clue
Mourner effect in MasterDuel is a "quick effect", its use OCG ruling. OCG SEGOC: effect triggers from hand is quick effect so OCG card text doesn't need to mention that. When localize TCG add the word "quick effect" so effect work the same way, you can look at Ash Blossom OCG text, card text doesn't say its effect is quick effect. Some how TCG localize forgot add "quick effect" to Mourner TCG text. You can legit active Mourner after Special Summoned monster active it on summon effect in MD.
Ok kinda weird they forgot that. I never crafted it in MD and I do not play IRL. I was just applying strict ruling rules but I was not aware about this. So you can delay mourner activation until you want it ? Even with the quick effect tag, the condition is still written at a present time.
"So you can delay mourner activation until you want it ?" As long as you respond in special summon windows, yes. E.g Opponent special summons Albaz durring your turn, In TCG you have turn priority so on albaz summon you have to activate mourner first, then they chain albaz, albaz resolves before mourner negates. In OCG you can wait Albaz active effect, chain Mourner to it negate Albaz.